Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Leadership Document

[Jack Deslippe]

Thanks! I personally find all the changes perfectly acceptable. Hopefully
others also find this brief structure reasonable. I edited a few small typos
that originated in my document.

Also, for correctness, I believe that the January date must be in error - I
think I first presented the document to the mailing list  later in 2009.

Cheers,

Jack

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:

> (changed the subject to shift the discussion)
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Jack Deslippe  wrote:
> >> This is an excellent document and I think will help form the basis for
> >> our leadership document (to be hosted on the wiki) moving forward, you
> >> rock! If you don't mind, I'll try to take some time tonight to put the
> >> key points into wiki format.
> >
> > Sounds good.  Feel free to do whatever you like with it.
>
> I preserved the elements required and structure text almost as they
> were written, omitting portions about the regional leadership as
> discussed:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership
>
> Hopefully this will clear up most of the current questions about "what
> leaders do"
>
> As noted on the page itself, this is a draft. Please discuss! :)
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[Ubuntu-US-CA] Leadership Document

[Elizabeth Krumbach]

(changed the subject to shift the discussion)

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Jack Deslippe  wrote:
>> This is an excellent document and I think will help form the basis for
>> our leadership document (to be hosted on the wiki) moving forward, you
>> rock! If you don't mind, I'll try to take some time tonight to put the
>> key points into wiki format.
>
> Sounds good.  Feel free to do whatever you like with it.

I preserved the elements required and structure text almost as they
were written, omitting portions about the regional leadership as
discussed:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership

Hopefully this will clear up most of the current questions about "what
leaders do"

As noted on the page itself, this is a draft. Please discuss! :)

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Grant Bowman]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:
> The final question the team needs to discuss is whether we should
> continue to have a single leader, or if we should have a team of three
> leaders sharing responsiblity equally.
>
> Can people weigh in with their thoughts?

I also support the team of three leaders proposal.

I hope we are moving toward a unified outlook. I would like to see the
other named people at least comment somehow on this important team
issue and demonstrate continuing leadership for the good of the team
during this period of (hopefully peaceful) transition.

Grant Bowman
Ubuntu Member
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Aaditya Bhatia]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:
>
> The final question the team needs to discuss is whether we should
> continue to have a single leader, or if we should have a team of three
> leaders sharing responsiblity equally.
>

A leadership triangle would be ideal, because it will ease the
individuals' burden of being held responsible for each and every
decision. Additionally it will provide an opportunity to foster
positive discussion, since no single person would be able to shut
others up and finalize a decision. Possibly we're looking forward to
more friction within the management, but as long as each person keeps
the arguments logical and rational, the new decision-making process
will be functional with little effort.

Looking at the feedback so far, it appears that the team is in unison
on this one.

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Mr. Andrzejak]

I also like the 3 person setup. If I recall correctly, Switzerland has
a "council" instead of just one single leader or advisor and it seems
to work out well for them. Nice country anyways :)

What are the roles of the elected leadership for Ubuntu California?

Thanks, Dave



On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:
>> In order to nominate yourself, create a wiki page (your
>> wiki.ubuntu.com page will do fine! Just add an Ubuntu California
>> Leadership section) with information about you, your qualifications
>> (participate in events? other leadership experience?), why you wish to
>> be part of the team leadership, and the county you live in. Then mail
>> the LoCo Council (loco-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com) with your applcation.
>
> Addendum: Please also add your name to the table at:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership/2010
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Release Party in Hollywood, CA

[Joseph Bonaventura]

wow i really wanted to do this and help install ubuntu but i have to work
till 9pm i am at the cerritos auto mall .

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Oren Golan  wrote:

> I got a green light for the party.
> it will be on Monday evening (around 7pm).
> I need help with the content/agenda.
> here are some ideas:
>
> Help installing ubuntu/linux
> How to contribute as developer/non-developer
> Developing applications on ubuntu/linux (maybe python crash course)
> Web development on ubuntu/linux - tools/best practices
>
> any other ideas/suggestions?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Clint Byrum  wrote:
>
>> Oren, this sounds great!
>>
>> I live just south of Hollywood and would love to come!
>>
>> If there's anything I can do to help, let me know!
>>
>> Also, in case this doesn't work out, are there other members in the
>> general Los Angeles area who would like to propose a place for a release
>> party? Maybe somewhere public?
>>
>> -Clint
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Oren Golan wrote:
>>
>> > I would like to hold a Release party at the company I work for -
>> www.borderstylo.com
>> > we got space for about 100 people, giant screen, video games, ping-pong
>> table, beers, and a slide..
>> >
>> > I am pushing Ubuntu on every occasion (new employees even get a free CD
>> as a gift..) and personally I use ubuntu, lubuntu and xubuntu on every
>> machine I can get a hold on.
>> > I even sneaked a few Ubuntu servers for some of our projects at
>> borderstylo (don't tell our ops team, they still think it's debian..)
>> >
>> > some pics of the office -
>> > http://www.borderstylo.com/posts/205-company-culture-at-border-stylo
>> >
>> > I asked to become an Ubuntu California member so I can post the event
>> details here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/326/detail/
>> >
>> > Please let me know if it's ok so I'll make sure my company is OK with
>> this (they are awesome and will approve it).
>> > I will later on use twitter/blogs/identica/facebook/ to spread the
>> rumor.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Oren
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Release Party in Hollywood, CA

[Oren Golan]

I got a green light for the party.
it will be on Monday evening (around 7pm).
I need help with the content/agenda.
here are some ideas:

Help installing ubuntu/linux
How to contribute as developer/non-developer
Developing applications on ubuntu/linux (maybe python crash course)
Web development on ubuntu/linux - tools/best practices

any other ideas/suggestions?


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Clint Byrum  wrote:

> Oren, this sounds great!
>
> I live just south of Hollywood and would love to come!
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, let me know!
>
> Also, in case this doesn't work out, are there other members in the general
> Los Angeles area who would like to propose a place for a release party?
> Maybe somewhere public?
>
> -Clint
>
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Oren Golan wrote:
>
> > I would like to hold a Release party at the company I work for -
> www.borderstylo.com
> > we got space for about 100 people, giant screen, video games, ping-pong
> table, beers, and a slide..
> >
> > I am pushing Ubuntu on every occasion (new employees even get a free CD
> as a gift..) and personally I use ubuntu, lubuntu and xubuntu on every
> machine I can get a hold on.
> > I even sneaked a few Ubuntu servers for some of our projects at
> borderstylo (don't tell our ops team, they still think it's debian..)
> >
> > some pics of the office -
> > http://www.borderstylo.com/posts/205-company-culture-at-border-stylo
> >
> > I asked to become an Ubuntu California member so I can post the event
> details here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/326/detail/
> >
> > Please let me know if it's ok so I'll make sure my company is OK with
> this (they are awesome and will approve it).
> > I will later on use twitter/blogs/identica/facebook/ to spread the rumor.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oren
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] LoCoCouncil-mandated logging of LoCo channel

[Robert Wall]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Robert Wall  wrote:
> 

Hello again,

I apologize for the tone and structure of my previous email to this
list and the conversations I had subsequently in Ubuntu's IRC
channels. I was upset and tired last night, and should have logged out
and gotten some sleep. Instead, I was unnecessarily combative and
confused the issue by cross-posting to this list and loco-contacts.

Contrary to my belief last night, logging the IRC channel of LoCos in
general is currently being discussed on the loco-contacts list, and I
apologize for confusing that issue.

While I disagree with some of the solutions decided by the LoCo
Council last night, I believe that we share a common goal of helping
Ubuntu California become awesome, and hope that my antagonistic
behavior did not harm said goal.

Thanks for your time,
~ Robert

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Elizabeth Krumbach]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:
> In order to nominate yourself, create a wiki page (your
> wiki.ubuntu.com page will do fine! Just add an Ubuntu California
> Leadership section) with information about you, your qualifications
> (participate in events? other leadership experience?), why you wish to
> be part of the team leadership, and the county you live in. Then mail
> the LoCo Council (loco-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com) with your applcation.

Addendum: Please also add your name to the table at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership/2010

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Elizabeth Krumbach]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Jack Deslippe  wrote:
> Anyway, I am really excited to hear about the progress that has been made in
> the last few meetings.  I look forward to voting!  Is their a central
> wiki-page where we can see everyone who is running instead of visiting all
> the possible individual pages?

Me too! And good idea, I went ahead and created this with some basic fields:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership/2010

This page can be used for nominations, and then later used to publish results.

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Jack Deslippe]

> This is an excellent document and I think will help form the basis for
> our leadership document (to be hosted on the wiki) moving forward, you
> rock! If you don't mind, I'll try to take some time tonight to put the
> key points into wiki format.


Sounds good.  Feel free to do whatever you like with it.  I don't
particularly care about any of the details of the proposed structure in that
document.  I just think that the team does need some sort of brief but
well-defined leadership structure in place.  I.e. something that outlines
what the powers of the leadership council are and how they are elected (how
often etc... so people see a clear leadership path) and generally lays out
how decisions are made in the group.  In other words, when we elect the new
council, it would be helpful to have their rules reasonably well defined and
an assurance that voting will happen on a regular  basis.


> While I certainly *like* the proposal of regional leaders, I fear that
> the proposal will need to be worked out some detail-wise and I think
> that is going to take some time. Plus we need to avoid the trap of
> over-engineering a leadership solution that ends up being unwieldy or
> ultimately unnecessary.
>
> How do you feel about an initial 3 person leadership where their
> region is clearly indicated on their wiki page (so people can vote for
> their local person if they want, or at least as some idea who is
> where), see how that works, and then by election time next year we
> plan to have the kinks worked out of the regional idea if it's still
> something we feel is needed?
>

Ya, as I said above, I am not particularly attached to the details of the
structure in that document - it was just a proposal of something I thought
would work at the time. I believe Robert pointed out that defining the
regions would be prohibitively messy.  To be honest, I think any vote is
likely to turn up 3 leaders from different parts of the state since a lot
people will naturally vote for the candidate they know nearby.

Anyway, I am really excited to hear about the progress that has been made in
the last few meetings.  I look forward to voting!  Is their a central
wiki-page where we can see everyone who is running instead of visiting all
the possible individual pages?

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Elizabeth Krumbach]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Jack Deslippe  wrote:
> Some time ago (January 2009 apparently), I crafted the following proposal
> for the Cali-team structure
> - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVvuU9dbI-YnZGhtOWh6cHZfMjYzcXpxdDhoZA&hl=en -
> It was met with some interest at the time but never enacted.

This is an excellent document and I think will help form the basis for
our leadership document (to be hosted on the wiki) moving forward, you
rock! If you don't mind, I'll try to take some time tonight to put the
key points into wiki format.

> While, I am in
> no way really attached to any particular detail of that proposal, I will
> mention that it contains a three-person leadership council - where
> specifically each of the three leaders represented a different region of
> California. Additionally, each was elected once a year.
> Sorry I missed the IRC meeting yesterday, but I'd like to mention now that I
> think it is important that before this election takes place, we also have in
> place a plan to carry out future elections on a regular basis - so, we have
> a continuous feedback cycle.  I.e. - I think we should have a very brief but
> well-defined leadership structure for the group laid out somewhere.
>  (Forgive me if this is already up on the Wiki somewhere).
> Anyway, given the above, I obviously vote for the 3-person council - and
> hope the short list of bylaws etc are coded up somewhere.

While I certainly *like* the proposal of regional leaders, I fear that
the proposal will need to be worked out some detail-wise and I think
that is going to take some time. Plus we need to avoid the trap of
over-engineering a leadership solution that ends up being unwieldy or
ultimately unnecessary.

How do you feel about an initial 3 person leadership where their
region is clearly indicated on their wiki page (so people can vote for
their local person if they want, or at least as some idea who is
where), see how that works, and then by election time next year we
plan to have the kinks worked out of the regional idea if it's still
something we feel is needed?

Also worth noting: Voting within the Ubuntu community frequently
follows the Condorcet[0] model which means you don't vote for a single
person, you rank all the options on a scale of preference. This is the
model the LoCo Council will be employing for this election.

[0] http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Jack Deslippe]

Hi All,

Some time ago (January 2009 apparently), I crafted the following proposal
for the Cali-team structure -
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVvuU9dbI-YnZGhtOWh6cHZfMjYzcXpxdDhoZA&hl=en
-
It was met with some interest at the time but never enacted.  While, I am in
no way really attached to any particular detail of that proposal, I will
mention that it contains a three-person leadership council - where
specifically each of the three leaders represented a different region of
California.  Additionally, each was elected once a year.

Sorry I missed the IRC meeting yesterday, but I'd like to mention now that I
think it is important that before this election takes place, we also have in
place a plan to carry out future elections on a regular basis - so, we have
a continuous feedback cycle.  I.e. - I think we should have a very brief but
well-defined leadership structure for the group laid out somewhere.
 (Forgive me if this is already up on the Wiki somewhere).

Anyway, given the above, I obviously vote for the 3-person council - and
hope the short list of bylaws etc are coded up somewhere.

Cheers,

Jack

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> The idea of elected leadership in Ubuntu California has been floated
> by the team several times in the past, and this evening during our
> meeting the LoCo Council formally requested that we move forward with
> it.
>
> The final question the team needs to discuss is whether we should
> continue to have a single leader, or if we should have a team of three
> leaders sharing responsiblity equally.
>
> Can people weigh in with their thoughts?
>
> As far as the election itself goes, the LoCo Council has requested
> that we follow the following schedule so that team leaders will be
> elected within 3 weeks:
>
> Nominations will be collected for 2 weeks.
>
> In order to nominate yourself, create a wiki page (your
> wiki.ubuntu.com page will do fine! Just add an Ubuntu California
> Leadership section) with information about you, your qualifications
> (participate in events? other leadership experience?), why you wish to
> be part of the team leadership, and the county you live in. Then mail
> the LoCo Council (loco-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com) with your applcation.
>
> Voting will take place on the 3rd week and be handled by sending your
> vote to the LoCo Council (loco-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com). An
> announcement including all the applicants with links to their wiki
> pages will be made when voting starts with a reminder about how to
> vote.
>
> Anyone who is a member of the California LoCo can vote and can be
> nominated. If you intend to nominate yourself, be sure you have signed
> the Ubuntu Code of Conduct[0], if you need help doing this feel free
> to ask on list or join us in #ubuntu-california on irc.freenode.net
> and we'll help you out (I'd also be happy to help out if you want to
> send me a direct email).
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to discuss on list or email the
> LoCo Council.
>
> Note: Due to the issues which lead to the problems with the team, it
> was requested by the council that that Grant Bowman, Mark Terranova,
> Nathan Haines and Neal Busset be excluded from nominations this time.
>
> [0] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[kdemarest]

hi Christian:

i think you just sign up here:  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california

seidos (aka kevin)

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:

> hi,
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:
>
>> The final question the team needs to discuss is whether we should
>> continue to have a single leader, or if we should have a team of three
>> leaders sharing responsiblity equally.
>>
>
> I think one leader would be best.
>
>
>> Anyone who is a member of the California LoCo can vote
>
>
> How does one become a member of the California LoCo?
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Christian Einfeldt]

Ya know, after reading the opinions of Akkana and Elizabeth, I can see the
benefits of three leads.
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[Christian Einfeldt]

hi,

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach  wrote:

> The final question the team needs to discuss is whether we should
> continue to have a single leader, or if we should have a team of three
> leaders sharing responsiblity equally.
>

I think one leader would be best.


> Anyone who is a member of the California LoCo can vote


How does one become a member of the California LoCo?
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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Team Leadership Election Announcement!

[kdemarest]

I can't really offer any discussion without a definition for the word
"leader" in the context of a LoCo, and more specifically the California
LoCo.

Perhaps we should create the wiki ourselves, since we're insistent on having
one?

Maybe it would help if we assumed a specific title instead of "leader".
 Like "President" or "Speaker of the House" or "Colonel".

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