Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Starting Out w/ Linux
people dont care as much if a piece of software is open source because they dont know what the source code even means. they want the best and what works for them. at least thats what i find... On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, seidos wrote: > Hey Mark: > > Qcad and DraftSight are 2d. I already showed my brother 2d open source CAD > solutions. He wasn't impressed enough to take them seriously. > > I would think the loftier ideals of "the source belonging to the people" to > be the kind of thing that might convince some individuals to feel the effort > in learning something new would be worth their time. But this is pure > speculation. > > Perhaps the community can shine some light on individuals they managed to > switch over. I got my cousin to use Linux for his server stuff (I believe > he uses Open Suse), but he was already a computer enthusiast. I know some > in the ULUG managed to switch over family members that weren't computer > enthusiasts, but i don't know the specifics of the scenarios, and why they > were able to get the user switch to stick, or even how happy the users are > with the switch. > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Mark Garrow wrote: > >> Seidos... I was just doing some cad for a friends dash on his RV9 >> airplane.. Other than QCad I found DraftSight which has a community >> edition and a pro paid version that adds just a couple of things. >> >> On the other points.. the FOSS philosophy might work more now that most >> everyone are looking to save a buck here and there. On the saving $'s >> front, many have machines that are older, slow, riddled with (you name >> it) and don't have the money to buy a new machine and/or can't find the >> reinstall disks or the money to pay anyone to do it for them. That is >> an opportunity for FOSS and Ubuntu. Although, admittedly difficult to >> find these people individually, when you do they're often open to the >> idea with some hesitation. >> >> It's tough to overcome a windows/mac user that has a specific program >> that they just have to have. >> >> Best, >> Mark Garrow >> Scunizi / Izinucs >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list >> Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca >> > > > > -- > with metta, > > seidos > http://accesstoinsight.org > http://fictionalphilosophy.org > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos > http://launchpad.net/~seidos > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Starting Out w/ Linux
Hey Mark: Qcad and DraftSight are 2d. I already showed my brother 2d open source CAD solutions. He wasn't impressed enough to take them seriously. I would think the loftier ideals of "the source belonging to the people" to be the kind of thing that might convince some individuals to feel the effort in learning something new would be worth their time. But this is pure speculation. Perhaps the community can shine some light on individuals they managed to switch over. I got my cousin to use Linux for his server stuff (I believe he uses Open Suse), but he was already a computer enthusiast. I know some in the ULUG managed to switch over family members that weren't computer enthusiasts, but i don't know the specifics of the scenarios, and why they were able to get the user switch to stick, or even how happy the users are with the switch. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Mark Garrow wrote: > Seidos... I was just doing some cad for a friends dash on his RV9 > airplane.. Other than QCad I found DraftSight which has a community > edition and a pro paid version that adds just a couple of things. > > On the other points.. the FOSS philosophy might work more now that most > everyone are looking to save a buck here and there. On the saving $'s > front, many have machines that are older, slow, riddled with (you name > it) and don't have the money to buy a new machine and/or can't find the > reinstall disks or the money to pay anyone to do it for them. That is > an opportunity for FOSS and Ubuntu. Although, admittedly difficult to > find these people individually, when you do they're often open to the > idea with some hesitation. > > It's tough to overcome a windows/mac user that has a specific program > that they just have to have. > > Best, > Mark Garrow > Scunizi / Izinucs > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- with metta, seidos http://accesstoinsight.org http://fictionalphilosophy.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos http://launchpad.net/~seidos -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Starting Out w/ Linux
Seidos... I was just doing some cad for a friends dash on his RV9 airplane.. Other than QCad I found DraftSight which has a community edition and a pro paid version that adds just a couple of things. On the other points.. the FOSS philosophy might work more now that most everyone are looking to save a buck here and there. On the saving $'s front, many have machines that are older, slow, riddled with (you name it) and don't have the money to buy a new machine and/or can't find the reinstall disks or the money to pay anyone to do it for them. That is an opportunity for FOSS and Ubuntu. Although, admittedly difficult to find these people individually, when you do they're often open to the idea with some hesitation. It's tough to overcome a windows/mac user that has a specific program that they just have to have. Best, Mark Garrow Scunizi / Izinucs -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Starting Out With Linux
Hey Grant: I read your write up. *puts on asbestos long johns* I am convinced that the philosophy behind FOSS is really what needs to be spread, but I'm not sure the best way to do that (probably by selling systems bundled with a GNU/Linux ). I am aware of the caveats of pushing a philosophy, but without being able to develop AutoCAD Linux for my brother, or "envelope printing" in open office that works just like in m$ office, i am hard pressed to convince people i know to switch from windows. In my experience, people don't really care about the inner workings of their computers, or the philosophy driving the innovation, they just want the thing to do what they need it to (which, to narrow this down, i believe to a "typical user", means "on par functionally with windows", based on their use case scenario, since windows is what most people know). This lack of "on par functionality" is the main reason why, regrettably, most of the people I know don't use Ubuntu or some other Linux Distro. Not trying to be a downer, this is just my experience with it. But, there's hope! Perhaps the best way to really convince people to switch is by showing how good natured and kind Ubuntu users are. Friendship is a highly valued asset, but this tactic probably wouldn't work with people who already have a bunch of windows friends :|. The other option I've considered, after seeing cute Meerkat Stickers at SCaLE? Market to kids. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Grant Bowman wrote: > A question I hear sometimes is how do I get started with GNU/Linux? > > The question is difficult to answer as everyone has heard of and > understands different pieces of the "computing puzzle" and start from > different places. To me this boils down to a lack of knowing beginning > keywords. I often start searches at wikipedia to get an overview of a > topic and recommend others do too. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) Adding > additional keywords help. For newcomers to Open Source / Free Software > there are many new terms to understand and to relate to the ideas they > already know. > > Ubuntu is where newcomers often want to start and it's a great place > to start. "Humanity towards others" is an attractive philosophy from > Africa and as the most end-user focused distribution it is a great > place to start. Version numbers and code names can be confusing, but > once people understand the version number is associated with the date > I often see a light bulb go off. Understanding LTS versions can help. > I often describe what the Linux Kernel is and what a Linux > distribution is, mentioning Ubuntu, Red Hat, CentOS, Fedora and > Debian. Distrowatch.org can be a bit overwhelming to newcomers but > it's a useful site to see the variety and flexibility of how Linux is > used in many different ways. I often mention Mark Shuttleworth, > Thawte, Canonical and the structures of the Ubuntu communities. > Understanding that all the parts of a distribution are legally > distributable is a big hurdle for some. > > Describing how a "live CD" works is important as this is where one > starts. Understanding partitioning can be a scary thing for those who > haven't backed up their machines or those that have never installed an > OS themselves. Installers take care of installing and partitioning but > it's always wise to be careful and not rush through installation > screens without taking the time to understand what they are really > asking you. > > With the help of BerkeleyLUG.com folks Jack has shepherded the > creation of two tri-fold pamphlets as an attempt to summarize what > people need to know about Linux before deciding to try it and where to > go after they have installed it. > http://www.berkeleylug.com/Contributions/ I think this effort is > outstanding. Additional resources of this nature can be found at > http://spreadubuntu.org/ Among other very innovative designs, this is > a great quick reference for windows users to find software similar to > what they use now. http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Screenshot_0.png > > Windows and Mac power users come to Linux with widely differing needs > to get started. A few Windows users may know that the Windows NT > systems and following Windows versions trace many features to Unix but > most do not. Some Mac users may know they are running a form of BSD > (Darwin) but some do not. > > For those wanting a book or narrative form the best places I know for > Ubuntu are http://ubuntu-manual.org/ online. For a dead tree (or > kindle) option covering 10.04 I recommend > http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/ > aka > http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Official-Ubuntu-Book-The/9780137081301.page > of the many that are now available as Ubuntu becomes every more > popular. Again the plethora of choices can be a barrier to newcomers. > > User groups in our local area are often a big key to encouraging > people to try a Linux disc. dvlu
[Ubuntu-US-CA] Starting Out With Linux
A question I hear sometimes is how do I get started with GNU/Linux? The question is difficult to answer as everyone has heard of and understands different pieces of the "computing puzzle" and start from different places. To me this boils down to a lack of knowing beginning keywords. I often start searches at wikipedia to get an overview of a topic and recommend others do too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) Adding additional keywords help. For newcomers to Open Source / Free Software there are many new terms to understand and to relate to the ideas they already know. Ubuntu is where newcomers often want to start and it's a great place to start. "Humanity towards others" is an attractive philosophy from Africa and as the most end-user focused distribution it is a great place to start. Version numbers and code names can be confusing, but once people understand the version number is associated with the date I often see a light bulb go off. Understanding LTS versions can help. I often describe what the Linux Kernel is and what a Linux distribution is, mentioning Ubuntu, Red Hat, CentOS, Fedora and Debian. Distrowatch.org can be a bit overwhelming to newcomers but it's a useful site to see the variety and flexibility of how Linux is used in many different ways. I often mention Mark Shuttleworth, Thawte, Canonical and the structures of the Ubuntu communities. Understanding that all the parts of a distribution are legally distributable is a big hurdle for some. Describing how a "live CD" works is important as this is where one starts. Understanding partitioning can be a scary thing for those who haven't backed up their machines or those that have never installed an OS themselves. Installers take care of installing and partitioning but it's always wise to be careful and not rush through installation screens without taking the time to understand what they are really asking you. With the help of BerkeleyLUG.com folks Jack has shepherded the creation of two tri-fold pamphlets as an attempt to summarize what people need to know about Linux before deciding to try it and where to go after they have installed it. http://www.berkeleylug.com/Contributions/ I think this effort is outstanding. Additional resources of this nature can be found at http://spreadubuntu.org/ Among other very innovative designs, this is a great quick reference for windows users to find software similar to what they use now. http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Screenshot_0.png Windows and Mac power users come to Linux with widely differing needs to get started. A few Windows users may know that the Windows NT systems and following Windows versions trace many features to Unix but most do not. Some Mac users may know they are running a form of BSD (Darwin) but some do not. For those wanting a book or narrative form the best places I know for Ubuntu are http://ubuntu-manual.org/ online. For a dead tree (or kindle) option covering 10.04 I recommend http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/ aka http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Official-Ubuntu-Book-The/9780137081301.page of the many that are now available as Ubuntu becomes every more popular. Again the plethora of choices can be a barrier to newcomers. User groups in our local area are often a big key to encouraging people to try a Linux disc. dvlug.org sf-lug.org and berkeleylug.com are great ones among a raft of others in areas further afield to me. Online resources abound, some good, some less useful to beginners. Our golden state has a group that promotes Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu-california.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam are our "external" and "internal" websites. We hold IRC meeting every other Sunday night at 7 PM though people talk in the channel whenevery they want. As this is a real time form of communication, it is often useful to wait many hours for a response to questions you might raise to give people a chance to respond when they see what you asked. Giving up and leaving too quickly is a common mistake to understanding how to use IRC effectively. Understanding basics like what an Operating System does and what applications are available is where the boxes at the bottom of wikipedia pages really help me, understanding the context of how ideas fit together. Too much freedom can cause paralysis and leave people less satisfied. ( video: http://on.ted.com/8wIZ ) Opinionated decisions help things move forward for the most common cases at the risk of alienating some. One of the problems is the constant stream of new versions. This has been a problem for linux distributions for a long time, balancing the newest software with stability and reliability. Is there a "best" way to introduce people to knowing more about computing without limits? Let me know what you think. Cheers, Grant -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/
