Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Tablets!
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Ronald McCollam ronald.mccol...@canonical.com wrote: Hello, Grant! On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 13:13 -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: Wiki pages or some similar system that accepts submitted contributions might be a great way to harness the efforts people are making on their own as they start to use some of the new tablets coming to market now. I also find key compatibility information tied to specific hardware models invaluable when trying to make purchase recommendations or decisions. With an organized effort I bet our community could be seen to significantly contribute to the quickly expanding tablet community. As hardware changes so quickly one of the only reasonable way to provide this is with some kind of crowd sourced system. One hurdle will be to verify submitted information but if there is a critical mass of contributors and some kind of rating system this shouldn't be too difficult in theory. I don't think that system has the capabilities or value to end users that I tried to describe. What I am hoping is that end users would be enabled to help each other, providing validation of what works and what doesn't for their particular combination of hardware, kernel modules and software. Reporting bugs or harnessing testing was not my intended user base. In thinking about this a bit more it might make more sense to work with the launchpad team to see if features could be added, extending their work to provide a delightful result for less experienced end users. It sounds a lot like a page in the Ubuntu wiki might be the right place for what you're thinking of. Why don't you create one and add what you can and advertise it here? That way people can start collaborating! :) An example that might be a good thing to copy as a start might be this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop What do you think? - rm Hi Ronald, Greetings from one of the Global Jams in California! Purchase recommendations are a key goal unlike the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop which has a mission of We're on a mission to get Ubuntu to work great on as many different makes and models of laptops as possible. I think this is targeting the collective wisdom captured in user reports and bugs of actual results and satisfaction of the combined solutions. I will update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Tablet to outline this idea as it evolves. The devil will be in the details of implementing the UI and database storage. For the front end a suggestion from Jono is to create a Unity Lens. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses This would be a fantastic addition for people already running Ubuntu. An additional website front end to the database will be required for those not running Ubuntu yet, one of the key use cases for this to be useful to end users. For older systems a link from the System...Administration...System Monitor of the gnome-control-panel might be useful. A good example lens is the packaged askubuntu lens [1] though I think it is an insufficient data source for implementing all that I have in mind. Extending launchpad would allow relevant bug reports with valuable fixes and work arounds to be easily found and implemented by those most in need of them. For the database back end something with structured submissions like those coming from checkbox going into http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ each day but with a better UI might be a good data set for technical details. For any community member trying to do an install or considering whether to buy a piece of hardware the matrix of several factors are required to pinpoint successes or failures that are repeatable: a) hardware - hopefully data pulled directly from the hardware b) kernel drivers loaded c) software used, sometimes with configuration data If all the ways that someone can run Ubuntu and Unity could be kept updated from various sources, perhaps initially captured in manual wiki pages, I think that users and developers would be well served and can easily find hardware to run this fantastic new touch software. Grant Bowman https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grantbow [1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/31712/how-do-i-install-the-ask-ubuntu-unity-lens-and-how-do-i-use-it -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Tablets!
Hello Grant, On 03/25/2011 02:20 AM, Grant Bowman wrote: Greetings community, I was helping a friend install Natty on a ExoPC tablet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExoPC two weeks ago but found the lack of specific information a little frustrating. Has anyone considered creating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Tablet or a similar page analogous to the existing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop process for users to share their experiences, frustrations and solutions? Wiki pages or some similar system that accepts submitted contributions might be a great way to harness the efforts people are making on their own as they start to use some of the new tablets coming to market now. I also find key compatibility information tied to specific hardware models invaluable when trying to make purchase recommendations or decisions. With an organized effort I bet our community could be seen to significantly contribute to the quickly expanding tablet community. As hardware changes so quickly one of the only reasonable way to provide this is with some kind of crowd sourced system. One hurdle will be to verify submitted information but if there is a critical mass of contributors and some kind of rating system this shouldn't be too difficult in theory. I think this is a great idea, thanks for bringing it. Actually, the laptop testing team has improved the way they report results with their own tracker: http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/ Do you think this would be something useful for your project? Paolo and Sergio, from the Italian team, are doing most of the efforts related to it, so they would be able to help you. Cheers! Ara. -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Tablets!
Hello Ara, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Ara Pulido a...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hello Grant, On 03/25/2011 02:20 AM, Grant Bowman wrote: Greetings community, I was helping a friend install Natty on a ExoPC tablet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExoPC two weeks ago but found the lack of specific information a little frustrating. Has anyone considered creating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Tablet or a similar page analogous to the existing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop process for users to share their experiences, frustrations and solutions? Wiki pages or some similar system that accepts submitted contributions might be a great way to harness the efforts people are making on their own as they start to use some of the new tablets coming to market now. I also find key compatibility information tied to specific hardware models invaluable when trying to make purchase recommendations or decisions. With an organized effort I bet our community could be seen to significantly contribute to the quickly expanding tablet community. As hardware changes so quickly one of the only reasonable way to provide this is with some kind of crowd sourced system. One hurdle will be to verify submitted information but if there is a critical mass of contributors and some kind of rating system this shouldn't be too difficult in theory. I think this is a great idea, thanks for bringing it. Actually, the laptop testing team has improved the way they report results with their own tracker: http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/ Do you think this would be something useful for your project? I don't think that system has the capabilities or value to end users that I tried to describe. What I am hoping is that end users would be enabled to help each other, providing validation of what works and what doesn't for their particular combination of hardware, kernel modules and software. Reporting bugs or harnessing testing was not my intended user base. In thinking about this a bit more it might make more sense to work with the launchpad team to see if features could be added, extending their work to provide a delightful result for less experienced end users. Cheers, Grant -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Tablets!
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Ara Pulido a...@ubuntu.com wrote: Actually, the laptop testing team has improved the way they report results with their own tracker: http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/ Grant Bowman writes: I don't think that system has the capabilities or value to end users that I tried to describe. What I am hoping is that end users would be enabled to help each other, providing validation of what works and what doesn't for their particular combination of hardware, kernel modules and software. Reporting bugs or harnessing testing was not my Grant's idea would be very useful to a lot of people. When you're considering buying a laptop, or just bought one and hit a snag trying to install Ubuntu on it, you could check the wiki and find tips and reports from other people with the same model. Sort of like http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ but a wiki, so it's a little easier to submit new entries. linux-laptop.net used to be invaluable but I'm not sure how much it's being kept up to date these days. ...Akkana -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Tablets!
I installed it 2 weeks ago, now I can't access my MBR. Has anyone else run into this. I can use Super Grubb to get into my O/S, but no more grub2. It's there because I can get there going through Super Grub, but havent found a way to get to Grub2. Has anyone else heard anything? Alan Ostlund --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Grant Bowman grant...@ubuntu.com wrote: From: Grant Bowman grant...@ubuntu.com Subject: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Tablets! To: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 6:20 PM Greetings community, I was helping a friend install Natty on a ExoPC tablet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExoPC two weeks ago but found the lack of specific information a little frustrating. Has anyone considered creating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Tablet or a similar page analogous to the existing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop process for users to share their experiences, frustrations and solutions? Wiki pages or some similar system that accepts submitted contributions might be a great way to harness the efforts people are making on their own as they start to use some of the new tablets coming to market now. I also find key compatibility information tied to specific hardware models invaluable when trying to make purchase recommendations or decisions. With an organized effort I bet our community could be seen to significantly contribute to the quickly expanding tablet community. As hardware changes so quickly one of the only reasonable way to provide this is with some kind of crowd sourced system. One hurdle will be to verify submitted information but if there is a critical mass of contributors and some kind of rating system this shouldn't be too difficult in theory. Regards, Grant Bowman http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
