Re: [ubuntu-x] Apport warning is badly worded when reporting X bugs.

2011-06-06 Thread Bryce Harrington
Already done since a couple weeks ago:
  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/778758

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:10:54PM +0300, Jussi Schultink wrote:
> Hei All,
> 
> At the request of RAOF in the #ubuntu-x channel, Im sending this mail
> to talk about the wording of the popup warning when reporting a bug
> against an x package.
> 
> The conversation as far as I have it went:
> 
> [15:38:09]  Bryce added that to the apport hook for natty
> post-release; a lot of the bugs that we get post-release for X *are*
> support requests, and so aren't well-handled on launchpad.
> [15:38:20]  a non-question with a question mark and yes/no answers?
> [15:38:42]  One of our more technical users was a bit put off
> by it, but was cool with it once I explained.
> [15:38:58]  In fact, there he is now.
> [15:39:02] -*- ScottK waves to jussi.
> [15:39:11]  heya ScottK
> [15:39:18]  jcristau: Hm.  Now that I *read* it more thoroughly,
> it could do with a bit of a reword :)
> [15:39:38]  I've started using 'convert to a question' more,
> but you're right, that doesn't really solve the problem.
> [15:40:54]  It went through a couple of revisions; at first it
> pointed more directly at askubuntu.com, and that resulted in a lot of
> poor quality questions there :/
> [15:41:11]  That sounds like progress at least.
> [15:41:32]  Poor quality questions in the place for questions
> beats poor quality questions on the bug tracker.
> [15:44:48]  I think it may be useful to reword the second
> option to include something like "Im sure its a bug" or something,
> rather than the only options being that it started after an update or
> I talked to people already. It doesnt leave much room for "I
> understand what Im doing, I want to report the bug"
> [15:45:16]  The problem is everyone thinks they know what they
> are doing.
> [15:45:37]  Heh.
> [15:46:46]  Hrm
> [15:47:05]  I think it could do with a re-wording, and we'll
> likely do the same thing once 11.10 ships.  Would you consider sending
> a mail to ubuntu-x?
> [15:47:45]  RAOF: of course I can do that - ubuntu-x@l.u.c?
> [15:48:00]  Yup.
> 
> I think that pretty much sums up what I am thinking, you can see a
> screenshot of the dialog here:
> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/06/plasma-desktopcs1575.jpg
> 
> Thanks for looking at this.
> 
> Jussi
> 
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[ubuntu-x] Apport warning is badly worded when reporting X bugs.

2011-06-06 Thread Jussi Schultink
Hei All,

At the request of RAOF in the #ubuntu-x channel, Im sending this mail
to talk about the wording of the popup warning when reporting a bug
against an x package.

The conversation as far as I have it went:

[15:38:09]  Bryce added that to the apport hook for natty
post-release; a lot of the bugs that we get post-release for X *are*
support requests, and so aren't well-handled on launchpad.
[15:38:20]  a non-question with a question mark and yes/no answers?
[15:38:42]  One of our more technical users was a bit put off
by it, but was cool with it once I explained.
[15:38:58]  In fact, there he is now.
[15:39:02] -*- ScottK waves to jussi.
[15:39:11]  heya ScottK
[15:39:18]  jcristau: Hm.  Now that I *read* it more thoroughly,
it could do with a bit of a reword :)
[15:39:38]  I've started using 'convert to a question' more,
but you're right, that doesn't really solve the problem.
[15:40:54]  It went through a couple of revisions; at first it
pointed more directly at askubuntu.com, and that resulted in a lot of
poor quality questions there :/
[15:41:11]  That sounds like progress at least.
[15:41:32]  Poor quality questions in the place for questions
beats poor quality questions on the bug tracker.
[15:44:48]  I think it may be useful to reword the second
option to include something like "Im sure its a bug" or something,
rather than the only options being that it started after an update or
I talked to people already. It doesnt leave much room for "I
understand what Im doing, I want to report the bug"
[15:45:16]  The problem is everyone thinks they know what they
are doing.
[15:45:37]  Heh.
[15:46:46]  Hrm
[15:47:05]  I think it could do with a re-wording, and we'll
likely do the same thing once 11.10 ships.  Would you consider sending
a mail to ubuntu-x?
[15:47:45]  RAOF: of course I can do that - ubuntu-x@l.u.c?
[15:48:00]  Yup.

I think that pretty much sums up what I am thinking, you can see a
screenshot of the dialog here:
http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/06/plasma-desktopcs1575.jpg

Thanks for looking at this.

Jussi

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[ubuntu-x] Intel SNA tested by anyone?

2011-06-06 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi,

Has someone tested the Snazzy/SandyBridge New Acceleration [1] yet?

[1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUyOQ

Since it was merged to -intel master 47 hours ago, it seems
xorg-edgers's bdb396a4 build should have it. So just asking if anyone
was brave enough to test it yet :)

-Timo

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