Re: [ubuntu-x] XServer for Karmic
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 15:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: ... > > The one other major X.org component left to be merged in is the new -ati > stack, which includes updates to mesa and libdrm. Sarvatt has been > tracking this upstream work in his packages on xorg-edgers, which I've > taken and massaged into a standalone PPA here: > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/kms > > I'll put out a more general announcement about this once I've had a > chance to test the PPA myself on a few machines. Meanwhile, if you give > it a go, email me your findings. If we're going to merge in a newer libdrm, could we pull in the libdrm-nouveau drm API bump to 0.0.15 (ie: at least this commit[1]). The kernel interface changed (again), so we'd need this to get a more recent nouveau snapshot in Karmic - which we probably want, as KMS is getting the bugs shaken out now. [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=001331f4f1f094ef02497aa618ae5eeb2febedfb signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-x mailing list Ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
Re: [ubuntu-x] XServer for Karmic
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Pavel Rojtberg wrote: > > I'll put out a more general announcement about this once I've had a > > chance to test the PPA myself on a few machines. Meanwhile, if you give > > it a go, email me your findings. > I have been using the edgers PPA for a while now and while at fist there > were quite a few regressions regarding 3D performance and suspend/ > resume, they are all cleared up now - at least when working without KMS. > With KMS I still have performance regressions, but I have not re-tested > this in a while, so probably they are already gone as well. Yeah I heard about the performance issues, so we'll need to verify and track that. If that's the only issue I think we could still proceed with merging it into Karmic, unless the performance regression were particularly severe. > You probably should also say, that without the new -ati stack, there > will be no KMS option for -ati in karmic. > Furthermore it seems like the new -ati stack will get R600+ 3D support > soon(seems to work already in some branches), so that might be an > adavantage... Okay, well I'm running the new -ati stack (but on -intel) and it seems fine. We're putting it on a usb stick and handing it around to some of the engineers here at the karmic sprint to test. Assuming that goes well, I'll upload these bits and pieces for Alpha-4. Bryce -- Ubuntu-x mailing list Ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
Re: [ubuntu-x] XServer for Karmic
On 06.08.2009 00:58, Bryce Harrington wrote: > The one other major X.org component left to be merged in is the new -ati > stack, which includes updates to mesa and libdrm. Sarvatt has been > tracking this upstream work in his packages on xorg-edgers, which I've > taken and massaged into a standalone PPA here: > >https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/kms > > I'll put out a more general announcement about this once I've had a > chance to test the PPA myself on a few machines. Meanwhile, if you give > it a go, email me your findings. I have been using the edgers PPA for a while now and while at fist there were quite a few regressions regarding 3D performance and suspend/ resume, they are all cleared up now - at least when working without KMS. With KMS I still have performance regressions, but I have not re-tested this in a while, so probably they are already gone as well. You probably should also say, that without the new -ati stack, there will be no KMS option for -ati in karmic. Furthermore it seems like the new -ati stack will get R600+ 3D support soon(seems to work already in some branches), so that might be an adavantage... Greets Pavel -- Ubuntu-x mailing list Ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
Re: [ubuntu-x] XServer for Karmic
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 10:22:24AM +0200, Miguel Mart??nez wrote: > Hello everybody, > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:58:10 -0700 Bryce Harrington wrote: > > The one other major X.org component left to be merged in is the new > > -ati stack, which includes updates to mesa and libdrm. Sarvatt has > > been tracking this upstream work in his packages on xorg-edgers, > > which I've taken and massaged into a standalone PPA here: > > Is that stack the one with radeon-rewrite? Yes > Although from what I've read > things seem to march along nicely, I guess quite a few regressions may > be present in that branch right now. There was a phoronix test too not > long ago that seemed to indicate that, although things were progressing > well, there were some regressions (expected). Right, thus the need for a little further testing before this goes into Karmic. > Is it possible to include, let's say, xserver-xorg-video-radeon and > xserver-xorg-video-radeon-rewrite? I suppose the answer is no due to > the other changes in mesa and drm We wouldn't want to be supporting two variants of -ati in Karmic. It'd force end users to be making decisions they shouldn't have to be making. If we can't be reasonably confident that radeon-rewrite is ready, we shouldn't ship it. > How worthwile is it to put the radeon rewrite stuff? Would it be in > order to fix regressions with more margin looking forward to the next > LTS? Yes, that's correct. Bryce -- Ubuntu-x mailing list Ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
Re: [ubuntu-x] XServer for Karmic
Hello everybody, On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:58:10 -0700 Bryce Harrington wrote: > The one other major X.org component left to be merged in is the new > -ati stack, which includes updates to mesa and libdrm. Sarvatt has > been tracking this upstream work in his packages on xorg-edgers, > which I've taken and massaged into a standalone PPA here: Is that stack the one with radeon-rewrite? Although from what I've read things seem to march along nicely, I guess quite a few regressions may be present in that branch right now. There was a phoronix test too not long ago that seemed to indicate that, although things were progressing well, there were some regressions (expected). So I got a couple of questions: Is it possible to include, let's say, xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-radeon-rewrite? I suppose the answer is no due to the other changes in mesa and drm How worthwile is it to put the radeon rewrite stuff? Would it be in order to fix regressions with more margin looking forward to the next LTS? Regards, Miguel -- Miguel MartÃnez Canales Condensed Matter Physics Dpt. UPV/EHU Faculty of Science and Technology Apdo. 644 48080 Bilbao (Spain) Fax: +34 94 601 3500 Tlf: +34 94 601 5326 "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." George Bernard Shaw -- Ubuntu-x mailing list Ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
[ubuntu-x] XServer for Karmic
Hi all, Quick note that after discussing this with a bunch of people, the decision was finalized today that due to the lateness of xserver 1.7 we will instead be targetting 1.6.3 in Karmic. Timo has done the merge for this already today. Going forward we anticipate pulling patches in from the 1.7 tree as makes most sense. The -intel driver seems to be super stable with xserver 1.6.3, and nearly everyone feels it is performing better (Phoronix posted a few test results indicating otherwise, however they do not seem consistent with other people's findings and may be a corner case; I've filed bugs upstream about these regressions anyway, and Intel is investigating.) The one other major X.org component left to be merged in is the new -ati stack, which includes updates to mesa and libdrm. Sarvatt has been tracking this upstream work in his packages on xorg-edgers, which I've taken and massaged into a standalone PPA here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/kms I'll put out a more general announcement about this once I've had a chance to test the PPA myself on a few machines. Meanwhile, if you give it a go, email me your findings. Bryce -- Ubuntu-x mailing list Ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
