Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881] Re: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard
Sebastien Bacher a écrit ce qui suit, le 23/07/14 12:10 : it would be nice to have a bug we can use for the SRU, not sure if that one is appropriate since it's years old and close. Otherwise agreed that we should fix that issue in trusty In the Debian sid package xkb-data 2.12-1, the bug *is* corrected (Ubuntu is still at 2.10). I did install it in 14.04 and test with the Belgian alternate keyboard (based on the French). Both Ctrl keys do act as Ctrl. I do not understand the thing that would be nice to have above, but it is not an issue any more for Debian testing or for Debian unstable. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881]
(In reply to comment #69) … Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices A site like linuxfr.org may well be a vocal minority in itself. Nothing proves that linuxfr.org is representative of ordinary users. And even on linuxfr.org I have seen posts saying where is my CRTL-R gone? or my keyboard is broken since some new version of Ubuntu. In a way, suppressing one of the customary CTRL keys is intrinsically a minority point of view. [Furthermore, the French layout for the Belgian keyboard depends on the French layout for the French keyboard. I do not see why a discussion on linuxfr.org should decide that Belgians have no use of right CTRL.] but 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a lot more hate mail I doubt having a right CTRL key ever generated hate mail. That hate mail was about other questions. 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization We are not here discussing space bar, but right CTRL. Is right CTRL modular? Is there an option easily accessible to the ordinary user to restore right CTRL? 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not the same as C code). It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting corners The clamor is not against proper French of for removal of anything. Furthermore, how could an ordinary user try to design a solution? The user wants a common PC keyboard with CTRL keys, without having to write the code himself. The clamor is: do what you can to allow writing proper French —and thank you for your trying to do it— but leave the right CTRL. --- If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout accessible, even under another name? I do not know how many variants are allowed, by design, or by freedesktop conventions. Of course a new variant would be useless if it didn’t appear in the choices offered to an ordinary user by the most popular GNU Linux distributions. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 221112]
(In reply to comment #69) … Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices A site like linuxfr.org may well be a vocal minority in itself. Nothing proves that linuxfr.org is representative of ordinary users. And even on linuxfr.org I have seen posts saying where is my CRTL-R gone? or my keyboard is broken since some new version of Ubuntu. In a way, suppressing one of the customary CTRL keys is intrinsically a minority point of view. [Furthermore, the French layout for the Belgian keyboard depends on the French layout for the French keyboard. I do not see why a discussion on linuxfr.org should decide that Belgians have no use of right CTRL.] but 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a lot more hate mail I doubt having a right CTRL key ever generated hate mail. That hate mail was about other questions. 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization We are not here discussing space bar, but right CTRL. Is right CTRL modular? Is there an option easily accessible to the ordinary user to restore right CTRL? 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not the same as C code). It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting corners The clamor is not against proper French of for removal of anything. Furthermore, how could an ordinary user try to design a solution? The user wants a common PC keyboard with CTRL keys, without having to write the code himself. The clamor is: do what you can to allow writing proper French —and thank you for your trying to do it— but leave the right CTRL. --- If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout accessible, even under another name? I do not know how many variants are allowed, by design, or by freedesktop conventions. Of course a new variant would be useless if it didn’t appear in the choices offered to an ordinary user by the most popular GNU Linux distributions. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881]
I feel extremely uneasy because I am a user of free software and I am full of respect and gratitude for the people who make this possible, including of course Nicolas Mailhot. I am an amateur and I am conscious that I rely entirely on the work of devoted paid and unpaid professionals. But in this case, I must crudely say, because it was hinted that we should have a vote: the vote already happened, here in Bugzilla, and in Launchpad, and elsewhere in many forums. The result obviously is: Nicolas Mailhot against the rest of the world. I think the rest of the world constitutes a majority compared to Nicolas Mailhot alone. Therefore one should immediately revert to the last good version with two Control keys. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 221112]
I feel extremely uneasy because I am a user of free software and I am full of respect and gratitude for the people who make this possible, including of course Nicolas Mailhot. I am an amateur and I am conscious that I rely entirely on the work of devoted paid and unpaid professionals. But in this case, I must crudely say, because it was hinted that we should have a vote: the vote already happened, here in Bugzilla, and in Launchpad, and elsewhere in many forums. The result obviously is: Nicolas Mailhot against the rest of the world. I think the rest of the world constitutes a majority compared to Nicolas Mailhot alone. Therefore one should immediately revert to the last good version with two Control keys. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881]
More arguments in favor of reverting to an normal behaviour of Ctrl-R: -- Most computers in most operating systems, languages (including French until recently), desktops... have two identical Ctrl keys. It is queer to have French keyboards doing otherwise since a few years. -- Like having two Shift keys, two Ctrl keys are better for easy fast typing. By the way, breaking the French keyboard breaks the Belgian keyboard too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 221112]
More arguments in favor of reverting to an normal behaviour of Ctrl-R: -- Most computers in most operating systems, languages (including French until recently), desktops... have two identical Ctrl keys. It is queer to have French keyboards doing otherwise since a few years. -- Like having two Shift keys, two Ctrl keys are better for easy fast typing. By the way, breaking the French keyboard breaks the Belgian keyboard too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881] Re: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard
This bug is still present in package xkb-data 2.10.1ubuntu1 (trusty): include level5(rctrl_switch) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881] Re: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard
Thanks to Emmanuel Castro for the workaround (forcing a previous version). The choice w -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881] Re: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard
Sorry, pushed some wrong key. [The choice…] was between 2.5-1ubuntu1 (precise) and 2.5-1ubuntu2 (precise-proposed). On https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuUpdates, I read: « Enabling the proposed updates repository can break your system. It is not recommended for inexperienced users. » I didn’t know this. I unchecked Proposed in my updates choices for the future. The update was introducing level5(rctrl_switch) in response to a long complicated discussion (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15804) about some applications using some Ctrl+space shortcut. To me it seems that everybody expects to have two Ctrl keys on a regular PC keyboard. Suppressing the right Ctrl should be an option for those who need it, not the default. ** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #15804 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15804 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1013881] Re: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard
With Belgian OSS, I have the same Ctrl-R changed into Level5 as Emmanuel Castro (his attached image 2012-06-16). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 982133] [NEW] all level3 or nb3 nbsp options give only level4 nbsp
Public bug reported: 12.04 keyboard pc105, be, oss I tried (with gnome-control-center) different options supposed to give non break space on level 3 but if I get some non break space, it is on level 4 For the moment, I read in gconf editor: /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/options : nbsp nbsp:level3 The keyboad display shows nobreakspace on both level 3 and 4 ! I get a non break space only on level 4 ** Affects: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982133 Title: all level3 or nb3 nbsp options give only level4 nbsp To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/982133/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
