[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 953960] Re: Mouse scrolling works randomly with games using DGA for mouseinput

2012-10-22 Thread Jargon Scott
Confirming that this bug no longer appears in Ubuntu 12.10 with xserver-
xorg-core 1.13.0-0ubuntu6 .

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 953960] Re: Mouse scrolling works randomly with games using DGA for mouseinput

2012-07-15 Thread Jargon Scott
Thank you, Allan.

I have confirmed that your workaround -- setting the environment
variable SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0 -- solves the problem for me.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 953960] Re: Mouse scrolling works randomly with games using DGA for mouseinput

2012-06-28 Thread Jargon Scott
Marcin, you're right.  The patch is, in fact, in xorg-server-1.12.2.901
.  I was wrong in comments #11 and #13.

Alexander: If you switch over to the "xorg-edgers" PPA (
https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ), you might be gaming
again in no time.  They adopted the bug-fixed xorg-server-1.12.2.901 on
June 24, 2012.

If the xorg-edgers PPA works for you, please be sure to comment on this
bug report so that other people who find it might benefit from it.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 953960] Re: Mouse scrolling works randomly with games using DGA for mouseinput

2012-06-27 Thread Jargon Scott
No worries, Alexander: I'm on your side. :)  I found your bug report
because I, too, was unable to play my favorite games on my favorite
operating system.

While it's true that Marcin's patch is small, don't forget that it
hasn't yet appeared in xorg-server-1.11.99.902 or xorg-
server-1.12.2.901.

This means that if some enterprising Ubuntu developer wanted to roll the
fix into the X.Org server shipped with 12.04, it would be his
responsibility to make sure that the change didn't break anything across
any of the other 70 xserver-xorg-* packages.  That alone is hard enough
to do-- even trivial changes tend to expose bugs elsewhere.  But even if
the enterprising developer did all that work, he should expect his
support from upstream to be minimal, given that he'd be integrating
pieces that hadn't yet been "signed off" as ready to use.  And woe be
him if even one bug would appear elsewhere: he'd have people asking him
why he introduced bugs into a stable LTS release.

So in effect, when we ask a maintainer to integrate the mousewheel
patch, we're asking them to take on 71 high-profile packages' worth of
risk-- with the understanding that they will likely not receive any
support-- on unreleased code that no one has yet had a chance to hammer
on.

Viewed from this angle, the developer would make better use of his time
(and not risk his reputation) by waiting for Marcin's bugfix to be
merged into an official release of the X.Org server upstream.  Then,
after the fix found its way into Debian testing, he could submit an SRU
request (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ) to have the
newer X.Org server (and perhaps its 70 related X.Org packages) packaged
for Ubuntu 12.04.

This is why I say it's unlikely we'll see this bug fixed in 12.04.

We've got to wait for a new upstream release of the X.Org server that
incorporates this change, then we've got to wait for Debian to accepting
the new version into Debian testing, and then we've got to lobby a
developer to submit an SRU request for the new version of X.Org.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 953960] Re: Mouse scrolling works randomly with games using DGA for mouseinput

2012-06-27 Thread Jargon Scott
Thanks for fixing the bug, Marcin. :)

For the rest of us:

The most recent release of the X.Org server at the time of this writing,
xorg-server-1.12.2.901, still has the bug.  Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise) ships
with X.org server 1.11.4, and the most recent tagged version on this
branch, xorg-server-1.11.99.902, also has the bug.

Unless the fix finds its way back into the X.Org server 1.11 branch, I
wouldn't expect to see this bug fixed in Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise) at all.
If the only way to fix this bug is to upgrade all of the X.Org packages
to a newer branch (1.12 or beyond), then the Ubuntu maintainer who
wanted such a change would have to justify why he needed to upgrade so
many important packages at once.  That's a tall order.

Arguing for such a big change seems like it would be especially
difficult because (a) 12.04 is an LTS release and (b) the problem
doesn't cause severe problems in packages other than games.

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