[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2010-07-22 Thread elupus
The  LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT change does not work on jaunty atleast. But
it didn't work on my previous test on lucid either. I still think that
is only applicable for people that have nvidia binary drivers installed.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Description changed:

  After upgrading to Jaunty 9.04 from Hardy remote glx rendering (over ssh
  or just network) against older servers is not working anymore.
  
  Currently i've only tested against two X servers:
  X-Win32
  Mac OSX Leopard X11 Server
  
  Both of which works fine on the same machine when rebooted into Hardy
  (still available on another partition)
  
  glxinfo outputs:
   name of display: localhost:10.0
   Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display 
localhost:10.0.
   Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
  
  xdpyinfo outputs that i have SGI-GLX and GLX extension, will attach the
  full output later.
  
  I suspect that newer glx client side libs must be needing something not
  provided by the older servers.
  
  Let me know what other types of logs that are of interest
  
  [lspci]
  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 
GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 03)
Subsystem: AOPEN Inc. Device [a0a0:062d]
+ 
+ --- 
+ Architecture: i386
+ DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
+ DkmsStatus: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
+ MachineType: AOpen i965GMx-IF
+ Package: mesa (not installed)
+ ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic 
root=UUID=0f9b4a48-eec1-46c2-a350-078a0eed0034 ro quiet splash
+ ProcEnviron:
+  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
+  SHELL=/bin/bash
+ ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-22.33-generic 2.6.32.11+drm33.2
+ Tags: lucid lucid
+ Uname: Linux 2.6.32-22-generic i686
+ UserGroups: adm admin cdrom dialout lpadmin plugdev sambashare video
+ dmi.bios.date: 12/11/2007
+ dmi.bios.vendor: Phoenix Technologies, LTD
+ dmi.bios.version: 6.00 PG
+ dmi.board.name: i965GMx-IF
+ dmi.board.vendor: AOpen
+ dmi.board.version: 558EX10I690
+ dmi.chassis.type: 3
+ dmi.chassis.vendor: AOpen
+ dmi.chassis.version: i965GMx-IF
+ dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnPhoenixTechnologies,LTD:bvr6.00PG:bd12/11/2007:svnAOpen:pni965GMx-IF:pvrAO1JW:rvnAOpen:rni965GMx-IF:rvr558EX10I690:cvnAOpen:ct3:cvri965GMx-IF:
+ dmi.product.name: i965GMx-IF
+ dmi.product.version: AO1JW
+ dmi.sys.vendor: AOpen
+ glxinfo:
+  Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
+  name of display: localhost:10.0
+ system:
+  distro: Ubuntu
+  codename:   lucid
+  architecture:   i686
+  kernel: 2.6.32-22-generic

** Attachment added: BootDmesg.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138156/BootDmesg.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] CurrentDmesg.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: CurrentDmesg.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138164/CurrentDmesg.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Lspci.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: Lspci.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138166/Lspci.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Lsusb.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: Lsusb.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138172/Lsusb.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] PciDisplay.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: PciDisplay.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138181/PciDisplay.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] ProcCpuinfo.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: ProcCpuinfo.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138187/ProcCpuinfo.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] xdpyinfo.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: xdpyinfo.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138262/xdpyinfo.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] xkbcomp.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: xkbcomp.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138268/xkbcomp.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
glxinfo output identical to before..

name of display: localhost:10.0
Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] ProcInterrupts.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: ProcInterrupts.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138193/ProcInterrupts.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] ProcModules.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: ProcModules.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138194/ProcModules.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] RelatedPackageVersions.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: RelatedPackageVersions.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138200/RelatedPackageVersions.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] setxkbmap.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: setxkbmap.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138261/setxkbmap.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] UdevDb.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: UdevDb.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138207/UdevDb.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] XorgConf.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: XorgConf.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138220/XorgConf.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] UdevLog.txt

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** Attachment added: UdevLog.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48138219/UdevLog.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] XorgLog.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: XorgLog.txt
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] XorgLogOld.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: XorgLogOld.txt
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Xrandr.txt

2010-05-09 Thread elupus
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** Attachment added: Xrandr.txt
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2010-05-04 Thread elupus
Sure will do, tested it a while back on lucid beta 1 i think and was
still and issue. Maybe all the backporting/reverting of xorg might have
fixed it.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2010-03-19 Thread elupus
doesn't work here on jaunty. could your nvidia drivers i suppose. will
test lucid when i get the time.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2010-03-19 Thread elupus
tested on lucid, not working there either. X-Win32 server with lucid as
the client over ssh.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-10-17 Thread elupus
** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #24590
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24590

** Also affects: xorg-server via
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24590
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] apport-collect data

2009-08-29 Thread elupus
Architecture: i386
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
MachineType: AOpen i965GMx-IF
Package: mesa (not installed)
PccardctlIdent:
 
PccardctlStatus:
 
ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-8-generic 
root=UUID=0f9b4a48-eec1-46c2-a350-078a0eed0034 ro quiet splash
ProcEnviron:
 SHELL=/bin/bash
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-8.28-generic
RelatedPackageVersions:
 xserver-xorg 1:7.4+3ubuntu5
 libgl1-mesa-glx 7.6.0~git20090829.00413d87-0ubuntu0tormod2
 libdrm2 2.4.12+git20090825.ce6c68dc-0ubuntu0tormod3
 xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.8.1+git20090829.7c48c21b-0ubuntu0tormod
 xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.12.99+git20090829.39dfac41-0ubuntu0tormod
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-8-generic i686
UserGroups: adm admin cdrom dialout lpadmin plugdev sambashare
dmi.bios.date: 12/11/2007
dmi.bios.vendor: Phoenix Technologies, LTD
dmi.bios.version: 6.00 PG
dmi.board.name: i965GMx-IF
dmi.board.vendor: AOpen
dmi.board.version: 558EX10I690
dmi.chassis.type: 3
dmi.chassis.vendor: AOpen
dmi.chassis.version: i965GMx-IF
dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnPhoenixTechnologies,LTD:bvr6.00PG:bd12/11/2007:svnAOpen:pni965GMx-IF:pvrAO1JW:rvnAOpen:rni965GMx-IF:rvr558EX10I690:cvnAOpen:ct3:cvri965GMx-IF:
dmi.product.name: i965GMx-IF
dmi.product.version: AO1JW
dmi.sys.vendor: AOpen
fglrx: Not loaded
glxinfo:
 Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display localhost:10.0.
 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
 name of display: localhost:10.0
system:
 distro: Ubuntu
 architecture:   i686kernel: 2.6.31-8-generic

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

** Attachment added: CurrentDmesg.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30976544/CurrentDmesg.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

** Attachment added: Lspci.txt
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

** Attachment added: Lsusb.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30976546/Lsusb.txt

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

** Attachment added: PciDisplay.txt
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

** Attachment added: ProcInterrupts.txt
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-29 Thread elupus
I ran that command from a ssh terminal that exhibited the problem,
assume that is what you wanted?

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-08 Thread elupus
I've reproduced same thing on Karmic. Identical issue.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-08-03 Thread elupus
Nice to know i'm not alone. I wonder if this is a Ubuntu specific
problem. Perhaps it should be reported upstream?

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 277069] Re: Slow performance with remote X applications (java, firefox/xul, etc.)

2009-07-27 Thread elupus
Simon, Andrea:

And you have verified that the performance was good on gutsy? Cause java
have a tendency to require a huge amount of data transfers. Running java
over ssh for example is often quite horrible.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 384001] Re: ssh forwarded glx returns Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig against older servers

2009-07-17 Thread elupus
** Package changed: ubuntu = mesa (Ubuntu)

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 277069] Re: Slow performance with remote X applications (java, firefox/xul, etc.)

2009-07-09 Thread elupus
I really wonder how this managed to slip the jaunty update of libxcb
today it's a simple bugfix that was accepted directly upstream. And
it renders jaunty and intrepid unusable for remote X.

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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 320150] Re: X11 clients use blocking sockets causing large drawing times

2009-05-23 Thread elupus
This is as said a duplicate of bug #277069 and enabling TCP_NODELAY in
libxcb fixes the problems. I posted a patch for it on the freedesktup
bug mentioned in #277069, and there is a ppa deb packege for it there
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[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 277069] Re: Slow performance with remote X applications (java, firefox/xul, etc.)

2009-05-21 Thread elupus
Thought i'd just comment that I posted a potential solution to the bug
at the freedesktop bug report mentioned earlier. It's a small patch and
if verified could be a point in debian picking up and backporting to
affected systems.

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