[Ugnet] Mr President , What's 'Partisan' politics?
...History never repeats itself; it is only the unenlightened or the forgetful who repeat the mistakes of history... Mr President, whats partisan politics? TRADITIONAL LEADERS: Dr Oloka Onyango President Yoweri Musevenis Letter to the Kabaka run in Daily Monitor and Sunday Vision is the most articulate expression of the problem of bad governance that results from a continued and excessive stay in power. The letter not only instructs the Kabaka when to speak; but also what he should speak about, to whom the Kabaka should address himself when speaking, and when the Kabaka should shut his mouth. Despite its placid introduction, the Presidents letter is not an appeal; it is a command! To fully understand the Presidents problem one needs to take a short step back into history. The precise history in this case relates to the restoration of the Buganda Kingdom in 1993 and to the reasons why Museveni supported its restoration. It is important to recall that the kingdoms (with the obvious exception of Ankole, which was not a vote winner) were restored in mid-1993, shortly before elections for the Constituent Assembly (CA). Among the few voices who spoke out against the move was that of Solome Bbosa, President of the Uganda Law Society at the time, and current judge of the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda. Justice Bbosa advised that the matter of traditional leaders should be given a full and comprehensive examination in the debate that was to take place in the CA. After all, the Justice Odoki draft of the Constitution contained several provisions on the restoration of traditional rulers which would be given a full consideration in the national debate. For her efforts, Justice Bbosa was condemned as a member of FOBA-Force Obote Back Again-by such luminaries of the time as the late Dr Samson Babi Mululu Kisekka (Vice President), Abu Kakyama Mayanja (Attorney General/Minister of Justice), and Prof. Apolo Robin Nsibambi (then Minister of Constitutional Affairs in the Buganda government, and current Prime Minister) who were intent on securing their positions as the main links (bayungirizi) between Buganda and the NRM government. On his part and true to character, President Museveni declared that any attempts to stop the restoration would be met with (military) force as he was eying the many votes that would come from Buganda as a result of the restoration. What was the result of all these manouvres? In the first instance, there was very little debate on the legal character of the restored kingdoms with the exception of the clause designed to ensure that they remained non-partisan, a clause that has been opportunistically (mis)interpreted by the President to mean support for the NRM. Thus, President Museveni sees no problem with employing members of the Royal Family in his office as Presidential Advisors or letting them speak at his electoral campaigns, while he does not hesitate to condemn Royals who declare their support for the political opposition. The second problem with the restoration was that there was no indication of who had the right and the power to determine what actions by traditional leaders should be regarded as non-partisan. Quite clearly, it should not be the President, because he has a direct interest in the matter. Thirdly, the law did not provide for any institution or forum with the mandate to resolve a dispute between traditional leaders and the central government over actions that may be regarded as partisan. In brief the term non-partisan was not subjected to any concise definition. While it is quite clear to me that traditional leaders should not be partisan, i.e., they should not offer their support for one political party against another, it is ridiculous to imagine that they should (and can) be non-political. This is because the line between matters political and matters cultural, economic, social or environmental is a very thin one. Thus, for example, should a traditional leader be considered to be engaged in partisan politics if he challenges the central governments expropriation of the forests in a certain region, or if he speaks out against the governments attempts to outlaw certain cultural practices held dear to a particular community, or if the government attempts-as the Buganda Kingdom has argued with respect to the issue of land-to alter what are regarded as traditional relations between the subjects of that kingdom? What is clear today is that the restoration of the traditional rulers was based on the short-term and opportunistic calculation that simply viewed the matter as a vote winner for the NRM in the CA elections. This is why very little attention was paid to detail. The restoration also worked on the presumption that the Baganda would forever be grateful to the NRM and Museveni for having restored the kingdom. The last assumption was
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Fwd: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on!
You have a British occupying force in your country in 2007, almost 50 years every since you got independence. You have a Kenyan forum moderated by whites and you are calling for Africans to know what is necessary/ Sir where were you when the British soldiers were screwing Masai women for free?Where were you when British soldiers killed your entire Air Force after attempting to throw a government out? Have you ever seen a British kid in Nairobi feeding on a Dandora dump? Why is it only Kenyans? And you think Americans do not mater on who they endorse in winning your election? EM Toronto ' The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Africa-oped Cc: Camnetwork ; Africare Publications ; Afrocentrik ; Voice Of Uganda ; IgboEvents ; Abuja Nigeria Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Fwd: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on! Since when has that, American recognition, become an issue? Africans must learn what is necessary and needed. We do not live because of America; Americans have gotten things somewhat right, in their country. It is us Africans that must get things right in our continent! This election in Kenya has demonstrated African lack of intelligence, that must be faught in all ways. Therefore, the message must be, the election re-run be carried out. As simple as that. ARJP Management Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let record show that Americans have recognized Mwai Kibaki's government. EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: Africa-oped Cc: Mwananchi ; Camnetwork ; Africare Publications ; Afrocentrik ; Voice Of Uganda ; IgboEvents ; Abuja Nigeria Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: [Mwananchi] Fwd: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on! To those who are laughing their head off about 'Raila's driving in to the electoral H/Q'. Before you laugh too much about what no body knows of, read this. ARJP Management Subject: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on! Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:40:56 + Kibaki represents what African leaders stand for: Corruption and theft. Time to move on! I sent a posting a little while ago responding to EM's question as to why the Brits and Yankies have not yet responded. Hopefully the posting shows up soon. Basically, the Western world has finally given up on Africa. With the educated Africans arriving on their shores everyday, willing to do kyeyo and going home every Christmas, they have nothing more to worry about! They can now keep Africa in its pre-colonial days, land of savages, you cannot tame! As long as they keep the Safari and flamingo alive, we (wazungu) can always go there, shoot a few gazelles, buy wood curvings, pay a few pennies to the Masais to dance butt naked and return home!After all, most of African leaders are educated in our universities, and if they cannot understand that education serves a lot of purposes, to hell with themThat is the mentality of the Brits and Yankies today..Whether they endorse Kibaki's theft or not, he represents what earlier Europeans to Africa wrote about the continet: The people lough and smile all the time And you wonder what they are happy about! -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] Re: [Mwananchi] The Presidential Election outcome in Kenya
Here is an election whose results simply baffles, considering even the MPs compositions. How will Kibaki lead with only 36 MPs? Unless he assumes all powers, whereby the rest of the opposition MPs, including their leaders, become irrelevant, Kibaki is not going to be able to lead the country for five more years. But that is true but that is what we should be discussing as adults today, a parliamentary next step. But we have to agree that we have held an election and we have got the results, for as you are standing today with all emotions you simply have no single reason to back your claim that Africa election is a sham. You simply don't. So we agree that we have a winner then we discuss the next step. For example I have a dormant federal government in Ottawa that I don't want to change. And yet it is me Edward Mulindwa for I a man Ontarian and we decide who lead this nation. We have looked into the options we have and they re not good, the Liberal party is not yet ready to lead. So do you know what we have done? we have decided to have a minority government. Stephen Harper's government is the longest minority government to serve. He is our Prime Minister by all standards, I hate the man's principles, and I hate his party but I respect the office he holds for he was elected by the Canadians excluding me to be our prime minister. Even if it will take the Liberal Party my party ten years to clean up we will wait but we will respect this Prime Minister as we will respect the election that put him in office. That is why it is a shame when Chifu Wa Malindi fails to recognize publicly his new President, that is why it is shame when you fail to recognize him. On of the worst leaders Canada ever had was Pearson but we fly into Pearson air port air port today the most sophisticated air port in North America. Cut the anger and try nationalism, you have a prime minister and that is the end of the story. Capish? And you stand to call an election a sham, when have you ever composed a better one sir? I am sorry but some of you are simply not worth the time. Kenyans have failed to voice their opinion for they are caught in between, even Raila would have not got a majority. Are you smart enough to see the numbers that they got? EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Africa-oped ; Abuja Nigeria ; Voice Of Uganda ; IgboEvents ; Camnetwork ; Afrocentrik ; Africare Publications Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] The Presidential Election outcome in Kenya Awosom Jonathan, Before you start to endorse mediocrity, begin first by building the foundation of true governance. The general election of Kenya is a sham election in every way immaginable that no enlightend person can just walk away from and concede. Here is an election whose results simply baffles, considering even the MPs compositions. How will Kibaki lead with only 36 MPs? Unless he assumes all powers, whereby the rest of the opposition MPs, including their leaders, become irrelevant, Kibaki is not going to be able to lead the country for five more years. Kenyans have voted, and they have emphatically rejected Kibaki and his ministers. If this was in older democracies like in America and Europe, Kibaki would have exited days ago, and Raila swarn in. Can you imagine a sitting head of State in Europe or America, with only 36 MPs against over 100 MPs on the opposition side, boldly getting swarn in office, moreover expeditiously few minutes after anouncement of a fraudulent election? How will such a leader lead the nation? The masses would not even allow it. But since Africans do not know what government is, and what is an election, including the intricacies that come with it, Kibaki was happily swarn in! If this is not a demonstration of buffonery at its zenith, what is? With 36 MPs? How is he going to lead? Through usurping all powers? Through bribes and corruptions? How is he going to lead, to get things done? What we can say is, Kenya election has demonstrated idiocy yet unparalleled in African history. Kibaki cannot be the president of Kenya, and honestly he is not! This election should be null and void. A re-run should be conducted and very quickly. The stampede to swear in Kibaki, even show how unsetlled and concern these people are! They are now trying to grapple with the aftermath of their rigging, and quite frankly it is not going to be easy. Using force is going to make things even worse. So, they better null and void the election, to start all over again, this time between Raila and Kibaki. One cannot just concede any election. Only buffoos can do so because to them, even the word government is
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: The Loser Declared a WINNER!!!----Chaos Rent Nation
Name less You are asking irrelevant questions to be real, Security detaining Raila! On what ground are the security apparatuses detaining Raila and his officials of the ODM? To curb insecurity, you see the moment that man swears on the bible he is the head of state. Now before you yell at me go back and retrace his campaign, has he been building on violence? The answer is yes, now ask your self why did he go to the election head quarters instead of remaining at his campaign head quarters? Do you know of any political leader that has ever gone to the election head quarters to hear the results being read? Again that is another sign that he was itching for violence. But let me say this too, look carefully at the final tallies, Kibaki has not won by that much, it has ended up a tie with very few votes over for Kibaki, what does that really tell you? Have the Kenyans seen a great deal of deference between these two men? And that is the question we should have discussed today. So if the country has been divided basically into two potions, do you think that if Raila had won that election and sworn to power there wouldn't have been violence on Kenya streets? I thought I stated long ago that there will be violence after this election and reason being that we have two groups of Kenyans and they vote not based on the future of Kenya but on their tribes. What we did not know is whose camp would take the violence, but this is not a surprise for real. EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Africa-oped ; Africare Publications ; Camnetwork ; Voice Of Uganda ; IgboEvents ; Abuja Nigeria ; Afrocentrik Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: The Loser Declared a WINNER!!!Chaos Rent Nation Policemen and women deployed are already shooting people at will. The nation is shut down; people in cities are going hungry as there are no food; not markets open. This is a very unstable situation. But violence should not be an option; even going to court is not an option. The only option is to continuously call for election re-run. As long as oppositions are peaceful and continually call for election re-run, we do not see the situation getting out of hand. Finally, there is need to keep abreast with the new developement: Security detaining Raila! On what ground are the security apparatuses detaining Raila and his officials of the ODM? ARJP Management Chifu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Do you think this is a temporary situation and it will be over within a matter of days? question is I have a feeling the government will send GSU with shoot to kill orders and primarily on those areas that are ODM. It is a waste of time for Raila to go to court to challenge the election as all the judges are kibaki appointees. What is the next course of action for Raila now? Your inputs? Chifu --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], john vorster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, The situation is getting out of control. The military is having hectic time to contain the demonstrations. The death toll will be high come Monday afternoon. Transport paralyzed, stores and banks on heavy guard...I do not want to speculate but it is like the Nation is fighting with a community resemblance..too badtoo bad folkstoo bad...how I wish Kibaki would have realized the impact BUT it is too late now. The Loser declared and sworn as a WINNERChaos rocking this once peaceful nation. Diplomats are calling for calm John Vorster Chifu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks 6 dead and now the riots have spread to Mombasa. More later. Chifu Join us at Mwananchi an African Forum at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/mwananchi Join the Kenyan forum Wananchi at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/wananchi Join the Swahili forum http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/kiswahili Join the IT forum http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/digafrica Join the unmoderated Chifu's forum at http://groups.google.com/group/chifu Yahoo! Groups Links - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
[Ugnet] Happy New Year To YOU and Family!!!!
Happy, Happy and Happy New Year 2008 to YOU and the Family! I emplore YOUR Super Powers to enable you achieve your goals and be victorious in the year 2008. Happy New Year to YOU Again! Assumpta Mary Kintu _ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] Re: [Mwananchi] Fwd: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on!
Let record show that Americans have recognized Mwai Kibaki's government. EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: Africa-oped Cc: Mwananchi ; Camnetwork ; Africare Publications ; Afrocentrik ; Voice Of Uganda ; IgboEvents ; Abuja Nigeria Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: [Mwananchi] Fwd: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on! To those who are laughing their head off about 'Raila's driving in to the electoral H/Q'. Before you laugh too much about what no body knows of, read this. ARJP Management Subject: Wanainchi, we now know what Africa is, time to move on! Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:40:56 + Kibaki represents what African leaders stand for: Corruption and theft. Time to move on! I sent a posting a little while ago responding to EM's question as to why the Brits and Yankies have not yet responded. Hopefully the posting shows up soon. Basically, the Western world has finally given up on Africa. With the educated Africans arriving on their shores everyday, willing to do kyeyo and going home every Christmas, they have nothing more to worry about! They can now keep Africa in its pre-colonial days, land of savages, you cannot tame! As long as they keep the Safari and flamingo alive, we (wazungu) can always go there, shoot a few gazelles, buy wood curvings, pay a few pennies to the Masais to dance butt naked and return home!After all, most of African leaders are educated in our universities, and if they cannot understand that education serves a lot of purposes, to hell with themThat is the mentality of the Brits and Yankies today..Whether they endorse Kibaki's theft or not, he represents what earlier Europeans to Africa wrote about the continet: The people lough and smile all the time And you wonder what they are happy about! -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] The Loser Declared a WINNER!!!----Chaos Rent Nation
Name less You are making me tired because you write a whole lot without making sense, for example you ask and I quote Raila has never advocated that there be violence. If you know of any statement made by Raila where he advocated violence, please post to readers, instead of making priposterous claims, thereby painting yourself into a corner you may never get out of. End quote Well can you explain what he meant by I am going to fight GEMA? Do you want to explain what he meant by as soon as I am in power I will destroy GEMA? Just a note to those that do not know what that term means GEMA is Gikuyu Embu Meru Akamba. Was Raia going to be against all those Kenyans and were you going to be comfortable with it? Where do you think we got our predictions from? From such speeches for Kenyans can not allow a leader with such ambitions, we expected them to be smart and yes they carried through. Let me add too that not only him that was pleading for violence, but Oketch if my memory of his name is right, stated inmwananchi that if Kibaki wins the solution will be guns, Is that an organization that does not believe in violence? An lastly, for I am not going to write 16 pages like you. Ever since the president has been sworn in, violence has erupted in Kenya, do you have it on any record when Raila's party is calling for calm? Any where. The government has done so but do you have Raila's side calling for peace on Kenya streets so far? Any idea why not? EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Africa-oped ; Africare Publications ; Camnetwork ; Voice Of Uganda ; IgboEvents ; Abuja Nigeria ; Afrocentrik ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: [abujaNig] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: The Loser Declared a WINNER!!!Chaos Rent Nation If you do not understand, Africare is a publication. And the publication acronym is ARJP. That means postings through Africare emailing does not mean it is Nameless. You may continue to disregard this explanation. It is your choice; you are free. But all depends on the level of education. Security apparatuses have absolutely NO REASONS to detain Raila and his team. Raila has never advocated that there be violence. If you know of any statement made by Raila where he advocated violence, please post to readers, instead of making priposterous claims, thereby painting yourself into a corner you may never get out of. You associating Raila with violence, without any iota of proof, is only a risky immagination on your part, if not attempt to unsuccessfully suppress some ANTI-LUO in you. Pretends are one thing; realism is another. So far, it seems realism is catching up. Raila and his team are free to go anywhere in Kenya, including the H/Q of electoral commission, to listen to the results being delivered. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Raila could have even gone to government H/Q to listen to the electoral results being delivered; there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Raila and his team could have even gone to Jupiter or Mars if you like, to listen to the electoral results being delivered; there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Or better yet, Raila and his team could have gone to Kibera, and immersed himself among the suffering people, to listen to the election results. Now are we coming out clear enough? Therefore, Raila and his team going to the electoral H/Q to listen to the election results being delivered, was indeed the right thing to do, especially given that the election has been rigged. Security apparatuses cannot detain Raila and his team for doing so! There is nothing under law, anywhere, not only in Kenya, that states, going to electoral H/Q to listen to election results delivered by eletoral commission is criminal, or amounts to advocating for violence! If there is any law anywhere that says so, please avail it to readers. Your attempt therefore, to associate Raila and ODM with violence shall fall flat on its face, and hope thereafter you shall me brave enough to face any challange coming your way, as in demand for further clarifications. Further, security apparatuses cannot detain Raila and his team in order to curb insecurity. What Raila did was campaign, and he did it successfully. Do you know or have it anywhere that Raila called for violence during the compagin? If so provide readers with facts. What is currently going on in the country, where so many lives have been lost, is due to emotional feelings Kenyans have, after noting that the election was rigged. Whatever they do, therefore, they do it as human beings with emotional attachments. It is the State, that should
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: [africa-oped] It could be getting worse!
Ugandans This is the trend Kenya politics has gone. Now remember the comments Kenyans have been making on Uganda as you read these very sad comments. EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy Groupe de Communication Mulindwas Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie - Original Message - From: Africare- NewPublications To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mwananchi ; Abuja Nigeria ; Camnetwork ; Voice Of Uganda ; Africare Publications ; Afrocentrik ; IgboEvents Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:22 AM Subject: [Mwananchi] Re: [africa-oped] It could be getting worse! It's time for change, and no one can stop us. Kikuyus, go home to your farms! shouted one excited youth George Kaseje. Come on now Mike get serious for a change! What is wrong with a supporter of a party making such statement even 10 years before election day? Absolutely nothing wrong! Supporters of parties can make all kinds of statements before election day. Doing so does not mean they are unvailing some conspiracies!! Kikuyus need to realise that they have been in control of Kenya politics and economy for way long: from independent! Continuous intransigence will on seal their fate for a whooping long time should control of power shift! It will be a whole lot difficult, indeed, an unprecedented uphill battle for them to make a come back thereafter, given many Kenyans are getting to know who the Kikuyus truely are!: Those who don't want other Kenyans to share the wealth of the Nation. Do yourselves some good and wise up! Don't wallow in ignorance; time is a changing! ARJP Management Mike Theuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As early as October 6th a certain party's supporters had already proclaimed unofficially what they were going to do. Can you explain or excuse the comments below from an ODM supporter that made it to the world's headlines long before the election? Why didn't ODM distance itself from such statements which were being made on its behalf long before the election? What we are seeing happening today is a result of the reckless propaganda that some wayward supporters and potentially the party itself were disseminating for months amongst their supporters: It's time for change, and no one can stop us. Kikuyus, go home to your farms! shouted one excited youth George Kaseje. http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0639917520071006 On Dec 31, 2007 4:15 PM, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets appeal for calm. The burning of Kikuyu establishments in Rift valley and other places is not going to get us out of this mess. Its Kibaki who got us into this and hes the one who must get us out. Truthfully, even if Kibaki caves in to the electorate, the damage is done! You have separated the Kikuyu from the rest of us and the entire country is damaged! It will take 20 years to heal what has happened the last few days, but if this bloodshed continues, Kenya is damaged goods! From an ecomonic standpoint, we will remain an unsafe investement destination for years to come. Who wants to invest in an environment of such ethnic polarization? - Original Message - Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: [jokanyanam] It could be getting worse! This is an email that I received from my nephew in Idaho. He spoke to my sister Eldoret a few hours ago. Hi Blaise, I just talked to my mum back home and it is very unsafe.Ethnic Kalenjin gangs are burning houses and businesses belonging to Kikuyus in Eldoret and elsewhere.Kikuyus have been doing likewise in Eldoret.They had to run earlier in the day after things became a little tenuous close to home.Some houses close to home were burnt down and she says they will move to tomorrow to a safer place.Kenyans are very disappointed in the ECK.I talked to my dad in Kericho earlier today and they had to drive through barricades into Kericho Sunday night and he has been unable to get out because there is no public transport anywhere.Things are very tenuous.Agnes is somewhat safe in Nairobi because the violence has not spread to the wealthier suburbs of Nairobi but things look like they are not going to get any better soon. Ratimo Sincerely, Blaise -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including
[Ugnet] THE MUSHAKE CARNAGE:THE KABILA GOVERMENT IS RESPONSIBLE.
Dear friends, In 2007 we saw wars around the world.the one which attracted our attention was particulary the unecessary one which was imposed to the Congolese peoples by the Kabila government and his Interahamwes allies. We will all remember how General NKUNDA MIHIGO pleaded for peace,begged to not be attacked.He called for over and over for a cease fire to not avail.Kabila and his extremist cronies did not to hear anything about it.He told the international community that his SELF-DEFENCE reaction may have a DEVASTATING EFFECT.Some peoples in the world heard his plea.But Kabila choosed not.And at the end the result as we predicted it in our early news report as we were telling the world that NKUNDA was a very good General and he will overcame any military challenge came to be fullifilled.Not only he was able to overcame a miltary force which outnumbered him by 5 to 1.He also overpowered it by takings the mighty WEAPONS it had brought We wish a Happy new Year to General LAURENT NKUNDA MIHIGO the CNDP and the CONGOLESE PEOPLE An article about Myself and General NKUNDA before the assault on him ENIGMATIC LAURENT NKUNDA RWANDA RAVE REVIEWS Sharangabo Rufagari Montreal - Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account!___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] WAS BENAZIR BHUTTO VICTIM OF THE WAR OF TERROR?
BENAZIR BHUTTO VICTIM OF THE WAR OF TERROR? Monday, December 31, 2007 - 03:08 PM EST - 278 Reads Section: Who killed Benazir? Mossad Snubbed Bhutto's Protection Request, on 28th December 2007 an Israeli website: www.israelinationalnews.com, reported that Slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto desperately asked the CIA, Scotland Yard, and Israel's Mossad to assist in her personal protection in the weeks before her assassination, Maariv reported Friday. Bhutto said that President Pervez Musharaf's men would not let her protect herself adequately: she was not allowed to use dark-paned windows in her motorcade or use equipment for location of roadside explosives. She suspected Musharraf wanted to make her an easy target for assassins. In Israel, discussions were held on the subject between the Foreign Ministry, which supported the request, Mossad, and other bodies involved with protection of VIPs. No decision was reached because Israel was concerned about upsetting the Pakistani or Indian regimes. The paper reports that Bhutto sent an e-mail to one of her confidantes in Washington, an American named Mark Siegel, in which she said that if something happened to her, she blames Musharraf. She asked Siegel not to make the e-mail public unless she was assassinated. On the other hand almost all the international leaders, UN Security Council, including Israeli leadership condemned the killings. BENAZIR BHUTTO VICTIM OF THE WAR OF TERROR? Dr Shahid Qureshi 31st December 2007 Benazir Bhutto was the victim of so called of war on terror and its aftermaths? Since the arrival of Benazir Bhutto on 18th October 2007 more than 200 innocent people including security officials and more than 700 injured, not to mention millions of dollars losses to the businesses and properties as result of her death. What were the factors and forces behind her re-launching into Pakistani politics? To get the safe passage into Pakistan's active politics we don't know what promises were made and tasks assigned to her? Those who were involved in the negotiations with Musharraf suggested that Ms Bhutto had one point agenda 'withdrawing of the corruption charges'. The National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) was the baby of those of negotiations. No doubt Benzair Bhutto was from a rich and wealthy feudal family close to the British Raj, on the other hand her husband Mr Asif Ali Zardari 'Mr nobody' never missed any chance of making money in her both governments according to reports. One analyst said, 'she died defending Asif Zardari's corruption resulted in her self exile of eight years and compromises she had to make. I (Ghunva Bhutto) wanted her (Benazir Bhutto) just explain to me the killing of Murtaza (by the police in Karachi while she was the prime minister of the country) said Murtaza's wife Ghunva Bhutto on 30th December 2007 in an interview with Burkha Dutt of Indian channel NDTV. Fatima Bhutto pointed finger to Mr Asif Zardari for the murder of her father in an article published in The News. Critics say that Benazir was continuously trying to sell herself to the guarantors of the deal? Her inner anxieties and tensions were obvious like she never switched herself off. Why? What made her so vulnerable, weak and compromising that she kept on making mistakes and nobody around her intervened? Who told her to open the roof of the bullet and bomb proof car? No one can imagine a bomb proof car with a soft roof window? She was responding to the cheering of PPP supporters when opportunists' terrorists struck her. Aljazeera TV asked me in an interview after the death of Ms Bhutto what was President Musharraf was not already doing which; Benazir could do for? It is a million dollar question and sometimes US put too much pressure on its friends who collapse as a result be it Musharraf or Benazir, I responded. So what were the motives and intentions behind her assassination? Some believes she become irrelevant in the fast changing dimensions of War on Terror? Ms Bhutto was very much concerned about her security and had no trust in the security services of the very country she wanted to rule? May be for that reason Ms Bhutto requested foreign intelligence agencies CIA, Scotland Yard, and even Israeli agency MOSSAD for protection. Mossad Snubbed Bhutto's Protection Request, on 28th December 2007 an Israeli website: www.israelinationalnews.com, reported that Slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto desperately asked the CIA, Scotland Yard, and Israel's Mossad to assist in her personal protection in the weeks before her assassination, Maariv reported Friday. Bhutto said that President Pervez Musharaf's men would not let her protect herself adequately: she was not
[Ugnet] *DHR* Laurent NKUNDA AMONG INTERNATIONAL FIGURES FOR 2008(COX NEWS SERVICE)
GEN. LAURENT NKUNDA, rebel leader, Eastern Congo -- Nkunda holds the fate of hundreds of thousands of long-suffering people in Eastern Congo in his hands. He has been battling the Congolese army for months in the region, forcing some 200,000 people to flee their homes. Nkunda claims he is protecting Tutsis from Rwandan Hutus who crossed into Congo after the 1994 genocide, but his critics call him a serial human rights abuser and the Congolese government has a warrant out for his arrest. Peace talks at the end of December may help end the fighting at last, but Nkunda has recaptured much of the territory he previously lost to the Congolese government, and he may be in no mood to negotiate. Congolese, who have seen no end of war in the last decade, will likely suffer the most.(COX NEWS SERVICE) Dear All, This is very interseting to read that COX NEWS SEVICE has cited General NKUNDA as one of the INTERNATIONAL FIGURES TO WATCH IN 2008. One thing COX NEWS SERVICE seem to ignore is that the General has always been OPEN to negociation for peace in the Congo.COX NEWS should have mentioned that the actual war in the DRC has been imposed to him. http://www.modbee.com/opinion/national/story/167060.html International figures to watch in 2008By THE FOREIGN STAFF OF COX NEWS SERVICE last updated: January 01, 2008 12:26:19 AM Cox Newspapers' foreign correspondents provided this list of people around the world worth watching in 2008. Here's their list of notables: DMITRI MEDVEDEV, prime minister of Russia -- Change in Russia? Probably not. Russian President Vladimir Putin has endorsed this bookish former academic from St. Petersburg as his successor. In return, Medvedev has said he would name Putin as prime minister. In the end, Medvedev may hold the key to just how much influence Putin continues to yield after his term ends early next year. Already, Medvedev has said that Russia must continue on the path set by Putin since he took office in 2000. NICOLAS SARKOZY, president of France -- Smart and outspoken, Sarkozy was France's youngest mayor when he took over as leader of Paris' affluent suburb of Neuilly at the age of 29. He went on to become interior minister before succeeding Jacques Chirac as president in May. Amid rioting in late 2007, he has pledged to revive the work ethic and fight intolerance. Known for his strong stance on law and order, he is expected to continue taking a hard line against Iran as he pursues closer ties with the United States. JAVIER BARDEM, Spanish actor -- A sex symbol in his home country, Bardem is breaking into the Hollywood movie scene in a big way. The former member of the Spanish rugby team just picked up a Golden Globe nomination for his portrayal of a serial killer in the Coen brothers film No Country For Old Men. Soon he will be seen in the film adaptation of Gabriel García Márquez's Love In The Time Of Cholera as well as Woody Allen's Vicky Cristina Barcelona. He's also set to star in Nine, a new movie from Rob Marshall. PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, president of Pakistan -- His actions have polarized Pakistan. The world will be watching this tottering leader of a tottering nuclear state. ZHOU XIAOCHUAN, governor of China's central bank -- Called China's Greenspan and Mr. Renminbi, a reference to China's currency, Zhou wields enormous power over the world's most rapidly growing economy. Since becoming head of China's central bank in 2002, he has presided over reforms including allowing the renminbi to strengthen against the U.S. dollar, a shift that makes Chinese exports more expensive and could upset China's role as manufacturer to the world. Top-level politics in China are murky and Zhou could be moved to a new job soon. But he is certain to remain deeply involved in decisions about how quickly China's currency should strengthen and how to keep China's red-hot economy from derailing. KEVIN RUDD, prime minister of Australia -- After Rudd was sworn in as prime minister in December, he immediately changed Australia's course by ratifying the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, leaving the United States as the only industrialized nation that has refused to do so. While Rudd views Australia's alliance with the United States as a foreign policy cornerstone, he has promised to withdraw Australian combat troops from Iraq, possibly next year. For President Bush -- a longtime friend of former Australian Prime Minister John Howard -- Rudd's election could shake relations with one of Washington's closest allies. RAJENDRA PACHAURI, chairman of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, from New Delhi, India -- Accepting the Nobel Peace Prize this month on behalf of the IPCC, the U.N. panel that shared this year's prize with Al Gore, Pachauri called the recognition a clarion call for the protection of the earth. Under his watch, the panel brought together
[Ugnet] [abujaNig] Re: [Mwananchi] Raila Odinga finally does it. MAY GOD GIVE US SANITY AMIDST GLOOM
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They are shooting them for they are looting public property they are killing
the Kikuyus, because Raila built them to do so. What we need today is Raila to
stand up and denounce violence. And you can play with words all you want. And
let me add that even in Toronto here if you start to kill a sector of people
and loot their property they shoot to kill. Just try to do a silly thing in the
financial district in Toronto, like attempt to kidnap some body, they will not
even call a negotiator an ETF {Emergency Task Force} guy will show up and you
will be smoked out in a second. The Police is doing its job of protecting the
people with their property. And can you imagine if the Kikuyus continues to be
killed and the Police sits in its barracks, what would have you stated here? So
don't waste my time unless you have something tangible to tell me.
This is the time for Kenyans to stand up and back up their Police officers in
this very hard situation.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy
Groupe de Communication Mulindwas
Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie
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Mulindwa, you are the one who is being a LIAR!!
You don't understand what people say; not even what people write!! You don't
even understand what Kivuitu has said. If you do, can you please state clearly,
like Odhiambo did, what Kivuitu said??
And please could you provide these many fora with the transcript of Kivuitu's
statement? We would love to see it.
Please take note that on the ground security forces are shooting wananchi
dead, IF THEY, WANANCHI, WALK IN GROUPS, even IN GROUP OF TWO!! How can a
government issue order to security forces to shoot even people walking in
pair?? Is that what you are trying to promote in Kenya??
NO!, you are not going to promote that. If you do not know what is going on
on the ground, please seal your mouth!!
ARJP management
Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steven Aseyo
I have a transcript of Mr. Kivuitu's speech, at what sentence did he state
that he was forced to announce a wrong result? Again as I told Ochieng you
people are not being help full here, you are doing the very same mistake some
of us were warning you during the campaign of simply making loose statements.
It is you fueling these deaths by being so casual liars on very serious matters.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy
Groupe de Communication Mulindwas
Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie
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Canada ; New Vision ; Newvision Kenya ; CCR Kenya ; Madaraka Kenya ; KOL ; KCA
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Subject: [Mwananchi] Raila Odinga finally does it. MAY GOD GIVE US SANITY
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Mr. Kioko,
I would stop to think for a second. You are outrightly very stupid in
your approach when the entire country is bleeding because of justice denied.
Electoral commission chairman has come up and publicly said that he was forced
to announce the wrong results. The EU and international fraternity have said
that the elections were not free and fair. Kenyans are angered because
democracy has been strungled, killed and burried.
For you to bring out Raila; the person who is just seeking fairness
justice into the butchery torching of Kenyans is insanity or grave stupidity
on your part. We are past campaign and debate time and we need some sanity in
dealing with this highly volatile issue.
Kibaki (owing to the evidence rejection of electoral results by
commissioners observers) is occupying the state house the presidency
illegitimately. In order for kenya to have peace, Kibaki needs to step
down/resign so that they can be at a common level of negotiations. negotiating
while Kibaki is on that seat means recognizing the legitimacy of his
presidency which is an insult to the principles of democracy Kenyans voted for
are dying for. Kibaki is therefore responsible for the damage genocide of
Kenyans at this dark hour. The longer Kibaki maintains a stubborn stance, the
more Kenyans will die. Raila is simply saying truth justice must prevail.
What ill has raila committed in asking for justice? None! Before Bishop Tutu is
called upon by the kenyan clergy, the ills
