Name less
You are making me tired because you write a whole lot without making sense, for
example you ask and I quote "Raila has never advocated that there be violence.
If you know of any statement made by Raila where he advocated violence, please
post to readers, instead of making priposterous claims, thereby painting
yourself into a corner you may never get out of. " End quote
Well can you explain what he meant by I am going to fight GEMA? Do you want to
explain what he meant by as soon as I am in power I will destroy GEMA? Just a
note to those that do not know what that term means GEMA is Gikuyu Embu Meru
Akamba. Was Raia going to be against all those Kenyans and were you going to be
comfortable with it? Where do you think we got our predictions from? From such
speeches for Kenyans can not allow a leader with such ambitions, we expected
them to be smart and yes they carried through.
Let me add too that not only him that was pleading for violence, but Oketch if
my memory of his name is right, stated inmwananchi that if Kibaki wins the
solution will be guns, Is that an organization that does not believe in
violence? An lastly, for I am not going to write 16 pages like you. Ever since
the president has been sworn in, violence has erupted in Kenya, do you have it
on any record when Raila's party is calling for calm? Any where. The government
has done so but do you have Raila's side calling for peace on Kenya streets so
far?
Any idea why not?
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy"
Groupe de Communication Mulindwas
"Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie"
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Subject: [abujaNig] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: The Loser Declared a
WINNER!!!----Chaos Rent Nation
If you do not understand, Africare is a publication. And the publication
acronym is ARJP. That means postings through Africare emailing does not mean it
is "Nameless". You may continue to disregard this explanation. It is your
choice; you are free. But all depends on the level of education.
Security apparatuses have absolutely NO REASONS to detain Raila and his team.
Raila has never advocated that there be violence. If you know of any statement
made by Raila where he advocated violence, please post to readers, instead of
making priposterous claims, thereby painting yourself into a corner you may
never get out of.
You associating Raila with violence, without any iota of proof, is only a
risky immagination on your part, if not attempt to unsuccessfully suppress some
ANTI-LUO in you. Pretends are one thing; realism is another. So far, it seems
realism is catching up.
Raila and his team are free to go anywhere in Kenya, including the H/Q of
electoral commission, to listen to the results being delivered. There is
absolutely nothing wrong with that. Raila could have even gone to government
H/Q to listen to the electoral results being delivered; there is absolutely
nothing wrong with that. Raila and his team could have even gone to Jupiter or
Mars if you like, to listen to the electoral results being delivered; there is
absolutely nothing wrong with that. Or better yet, Raila and his team could
have gone to Kibera, and immersed himself among the suffering people, to listen
to the election results. Now are we coming out clear enough?
Therefore, Raila and his team going to the electoral H/Q to listen to the
election results being delivered, was indeed the right thing to do, especially
given that the election has been rigged. Security apparatuses cannot detain
Raila and his team for doing so! There is nothing under law, anywhere, not only
in Kenya, that states, going to electoral H/Q to listen to election results
delivered by eletoral commission is criminal, or amounts to advocating for
violence! If there is any law anywhere that says so, please avail it to readers.
Your attempt therefore, to associate Raila and ODM with violence shall fall
flat on its face, and hope thereafter you shall me brave enough to face any
challange coming your way, as in demand for further clarifications.
Further, security apparatuses cannot detain Raila and his team in order to
curb insecurity. What Raila did was campaign, and he did it successfully. Do
you know or have it anywhere that Raila called for violence during the
compagin? If so provide readers with facts.
What is currently going on in the country, where so many lives have been
lost, is due to emotional feelings Kenyans have, after noting that the election
was rigged. Whatever they do, therefore, they do it as human beings with
emotional attachments. It is the State, that should have realised longer than
this too late, that the era of election rigging is coming to an end. Obviously
the Kibakis have not learnt a thing, that even after 40+ years as member of
legislature and now president, he still commit the same grave mistakes.
Insecurity was therefore ushered into the nation through vote rigging! If the
Kibakis wanted absolutely no insecurity in the country, they would have
respected Kenya peoples' decision on the election outcomes instead of rigging
it! Rigging is what brought insecurity in the country and you cannot turn
around and blame Raila. Raila has nothing to do with the insecurity in the
country. He has never advocated anywhere for violence; he has not called upon
wananchi to go burnt houses, or smash buildings. People are doing these out of
emotional attachment, and you either are going to be very very careful, or
travel the avenue of blaming ODM and Raila. But we can tell you that that
avenue is a dead end.
So, those who rigged the election contributed to the insecurity that, as we
speak, has caused the lives of many Kenyans. These deaths are deaths that the
Kibakis can never run away from. It is a dark history in Kenya, and the only
noble thing to do would be to re-run the election.
To conclude, you seemed to be quite stupid to even understand clearly what is
going on. If this election was not rigged, and ODM delcared the winning party,
as it did, there would not have been violence. Violence is stemming from years
of oppression and marginalization. Million of people are living in squalid
conditions, and that is what breeds violence! And this situation is not going
to change until when meaningful change is embraced.
But one thing is, the politics of one side taking violence, is going to have
to stop; otherwise the situation is going to spiral uncontrollably to the point
that no one will have a hand on the head or tail. That is why we are advicing
Raila to calmn his people; BUT NEVER concede; and continually call for election
re-run.
Therefore, who takes the violence should not be of any concern; Africans have
seen even more of that, but there still shall be people, the same. Eventually,
with determination, things will change, especially when the centre cannot hold
it anymore. With pressure mounting, PNU would not be able to hold it, and the
only option would be to call for election re-run.
They might dispatched security apparatus to intimidate or even kill people as
is the case now. But for how long in a population of 36 million people. Some
PNU will say enough is enough! NO MORE POLITICAL DYNASTY!
And guess what?
ARJP Management
Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Name less
You are asking irrelevant questions to be real, "Security detaining Raila!
On what ground are the security apparatuses detaining Raila and his officials
of the ODM? " To curb insecurity, you see the moment that man swears on the
bible he is the head of state.
Now before you yell at me go back and retrace his campaign, has he been
building on violence? The answer is yes, now ask your self why did he go to
the election head quarters instead of remaining at his campaign head quarters?
Do you know of any political leader that has ever gone to the election head
quarters to hear the results being read? Again that is another sign that he was
itching for violence. But let me say this too, look carefully at the final
tallies, Kibaki has not won by that much, it has ended up a tie with very few
votes over for Kibaki, what does that really tell you? Have the Kenyans seen a
great deal of deference between these two men? And that is the question we
should have discussed today. So if the country has been divided basically into
two potions, do you think that if Raila had won that election and sworn to
power there wouldn't have been violence on Kenya streets? I thought I stated
long ago that there will be violence after this election and reason being that
we have two groups of Kenyans and they vote not based on the future of Kenya
but on their tribes. What we did not know is whose camp would take the
violence, but this is not a surprise for real.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is under anarchy"
Groupe de Communication Mulindwas
"Avec Yoweri Museveni, L'Ouganda East Dans L'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Africare- NewPublications
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Africa-oped ; Africare Publications ; Camnetwork ; Voice Of Uganda ;
IgboEvents ; Abuja Nigeria ; Afrocentrik
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: The Loser Declared a
WINNER!!!----Chaos Rent Nation
Policemen and women deployed are already shooting people at will. The
nation is shut down; people in cities are going hungry as there are no food;
not markets open. This is a very unstable situation.
But violence should not be an option; even going to court is not an
option. The only option is to continuously call for election re-run. As long as
oppositions are peaceful and continually call for election re-run, we do not
see the situation getting out of hand.
Finally, there is need to keep abreast with the new developement:
Security detaining Raila! On what ground are the security apparatuses detaining
Raila and his officials of the ODM?
ARJP Management
Chifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John
Do you think this is a temporary situation and it will be over
within a matter of days? question is I have a feeling the government
will send GSU with shoot to kill orders and primarily on those areas
that are ODM.
It is a waste of time for Raila to go to court to challenge the
election as all the judges are kibaki appointees. What is the next
course of action for Raila now?
Your inputs?
Chifu
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], john vorster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Folks,
>
> The situation is getting out of control. The military is having
hectic time to contain the demonstrations. The death toll will be
high come Monday afternoon. Transport paralyzed, stores and banks on
heavy guard.......I do not want to speculate but it is like the
Nation is fighting with a community resemblance......too bad....too
bad folks....too bad...how I wish Kibaki would have realized the
impact BUT it is too late now. The Loser declared and sworn as a
WINNER....Chaos rocking this once peaceful nation. Diplomats are
calling for calm....
>
> John Vorster
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>
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> Chifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks
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> 6 dead and now the riots have spread to Mombasa.
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> More later.
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> Chifu
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