Re: [uknof] Daisy / Virgin routing issues

2016-09-07 Thread Neil J. McRae 
What are you seeing with ping?

Best bet is to contact them directly and make sure they are both aware.

Neil

Sent from my iPhone

On 7 Sep 2016, at 23:08, Alan Ramsay 
mailto:adramsay+uk...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We are seeing high latency on links between Daisy and Virgin - looks like it's 
routing via Europe.


Tracing the route to 62.72.145.98


  1 
telf-geam-1a-ge21.network.virginmedia.net
 (82.33.214.97) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec

  2 
telf-geam-1b-v11.network.virginmedia.net
 (62.31.176.170) [AS 5089] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec

  3 
wolv-core-2b-ae8-996.network.virginmedia.net
 (62.30.254.69) [AS 5089] 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec

  4  *  *  *

  5  *  *  *

  6 
nrth-bb-1c-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net
 (62.254.42.134) [AS 5089] 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec

  7 
fran-ic-2-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net
 (62.254.42.178) [AS 5089] 20 msec 24 msec 20 msec

  8 te1-3.cr01.ixf.bb.daisyplc.net 
(80.81.192.11) 24 msec 20 msec 20 msec

  9 tbc.ar85.tn5.bb.daisyplc.net 
(62.72.145.98) [AS 5413] 24 msec 20 msec 24 msec

 10 tbc.ar85.tn5.bb.daisyplc.net 
(62.72.145.98) [AS 5413] 24 msec 20 msec 24 msec




Looking for advice on the best way to tackle this; with Virgin, with Daisy, or 
how do we get them to talk to each other?


Kind regards


Alan Ramsay

[uknof] Daisy / Virgin routing issues

2016-09-07 Thread Alan Ramsay 
We are seeing high latency on links between Daisy and Virgin - looks like
it's routing via Europe.

Tracing the route to 62.72.145.98


  1 telf-geam-1a-ge21.network.virginmedia.net (82.33.214.97) 0 msec 0 msec
0 msec

  2 telf-geam-1b-v11.network.virginmedia.net (62.31.176.170) [AS 5089] 4
msec 4 msec 4 msec

  3 wolv-core-2b-ae8-996.network.virginmedia.net (62.30.254.69) [AS 5089] 0
msec 0 msec 0 msec

  4  *  *  *

  5  *  *  *

  6 nrth-bb-1c-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.42.134) [AS 5089] 0
msec 4 msec 4 msec

  7 fran-ic-2-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.42.178) [AS 5089] 20
msec 24 msec 20 msec

  8 te1-3.cr01.ixf.bb.daisyplc.net (80.81.192.11) 24 msec 20 msec 20 msec

  9 tbc.ar85.tn5.bb.daisyplc.net (62.72.145.98) [AS 5413] 24 msec 20 msec
24 msec

 10 tbc.ar85.tn5.bb.daisyplc.net (62.72.145.98) [AS 5413] 24 msec 20 msec
24 msec




Looking for advice on the best way to tackle this; with Virgin, with Daisy,
or how do we get them to talk to each other?


Kind regards


Alan Ramsay

Re: [uknof] Telehouse Norh/East Cross Connects

2016-09-07 Thread Brandon Butterworth 
On Wed Sep 07, 2016 at 12:32:17PM +0100, Ben King wrote:
> I have been lead to believe there are operators who will do you inter
> building fibre by going out to the street and back in again...

Our docklands ring does that but that's because it's part of
a ring rather than just going between two in one site. You
end up paying for two cross connects as well as the street carrier
would be interested to know if it is still cheaper, I was considering
another pair so we don't eat waves on the main ring with just intra
site links

brandon

Re: [uknof] Telehouse Norh/East Cross Connects

2016-09-07 Thread Ben King 
I have been lead to believe there are operators who will do you inter
building fibre by going out to the street and back in again...

On 6 September 2016 at 22:05, Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Hi Gentlemen,
>
>
> What do pricing and delivery look like today on fiber cross connects
> between North and East? And is there any third party who can beat the House
> on these two key variables? I am confident the answer is no to the second
> question, but the cost of asking a question is rather low. [image: 😊]
>
>
> Roderick Beck
> Sales Contractor - Europe and the Americas
> Hibernia Networks
> http://www.hibernianetworks.com
> Budapest and New York
> 36-30-859-5144
> rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
>
>
> --
> *From:* uknof  on behalf of James
> Bensley 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2016 10:56 AM
> *To:* uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [uknof] IS-IS Multi-Instance
>
> On 2 September 2016 at 09:04, Matjaz Straus Istenic 
> wrote:
> >> On 1. sep. 2016, at 15:11, Neil J. McRae  wrote:
> >>
> >> What's the use case?
> >
> > Great question :-)
> > Well, it is about people not accepting working and well proved network
> designs and have a tendency to reinvent the wheel ;-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matjaž
> >
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:57, Matjaz Straus Istenic 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>>
> >>> is somebody aware of a equipment that supports IS-IS Multi-Instance
> RFC 6822? I’ve seen that Cisco IOS XR can run multiple instances of IS-IS
> but I’m not sure if those are just multiple processes or true instances
> according to the RFC 6822. Same goes for Junos OS — instances or just
> multi-process? Well, IS-IS Multi-Instance is mentioned in Alcatel-Lucent
> user guides...
>
>
> The most obvious use case I can see for it is SR, however we can
> already to do this with multi-topology IS-IS. I guess you could do it
> with MI-IS-IS too. Do you really need multi instance? If not it sounds
> like you can use MT-IS-IS instead which does work in IOS-XR and Junos.
>
> We have lab testeed MT-IS-IS with SR and "it works" in IOS-XR. It's in
> a bleeding edge Junos image so I haven't had a chance to test it in
> Junos yet or do iner-op testing.
>
> Cheers,
> James.
>
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Re: [uknof] Telehouse Norh/East Cross Connects

2016-09-07 Thread Panny Malialis 
We can beat their SM or MM fibre pricing if you are OK using QinQ ethernet or 
CWDM solutions.

Panny Malialis
www.hotlinks.uk
0796374

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:05, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gentlemen, 
> 
> What do pricing and delivery look like today on fiber cross connects between 
> North and East? And is there any third party who can beat the House on these 
> two key variables? I am confident the answer is no to the second question, 
> but the cost of asking a question is rather low. 
> 
> Roderick Beck
> Sales Contractor - Europe and the Americas
> Hibernia Networks
> http://www.hibernianetworks.com
> Budapest and New York
> 36-30-859-5144
> rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
> 
> 
> From: uknof  on behalf of James Bensley 
> 
> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:56 AM
> To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [uknof] IS-IS Multi-Instance
>  
> On 2 September 2016 at 09:04, Matjaz Straus Istenic  
> wrote:
> >> On 1. sep. 2016, at 15:11, Neil J. McRae  wrote:
> >>
> >> What's the use case?
> >
> > Great question :-)
> > Well, it is about people not accepting working and well proved network 
> > designs and have a tendency to reinvent the wheel ;-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matjaž
> >
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:57, Matjaz Straus Istenic  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>>
> >>> is somebody aware of a equipment that supports IS-IS Multi-Instance RFC 
> >>> 6822? I’ve seen that Cisco IOS XR can run multiple instances of IS-IS but 
> >>> I’m not sure if those are just multiple processes or true instances 
> >>> according to the RFC 6822. Same goes for Junos OS — instances or just 
> >>> multi-process? Well, IS-IS Multi-Instance is mentioned in Alcatel-Lucent 
> >>> user guides...
> 
> 
> The most obvious use case I can see for it is SR, however we can
> already to do this with multi-topology IS-IS. I guess you could do it
> with MI-IS-IS too. Do you really need multi instance? If not it sounds
> like you can use MT-IS-IS instead which does work in IOS-XR and Junos.
> 
> We have lab testeed MT-IS-IS with SR and "it works" in IOS-XR. It's in
> a bleeding edge Junos image so I haven't had a chance to test it in
> Junos yet or do iner-op testing.
> 
> Cheers,
> James.
> 
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Re: [uknof] Telehouse Norh/East Cross Connects

2016-09-07 Thread Jon Morby (FidoNet) 


> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:05, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gentlemen, 
> 
> What do pricing and delivery look like today on fiber cross connects between 
> North and East? And is there any third party who can beat the House on these 
> two key variables? I am confident the answer is no to the second question, 
> but the cost of asking a question is rather low. 

Hi Rod

Telehouse have stopped any 3rd parties from cabling as far as I’m aware

We do have fibre between North and West (and East-West / North-West too) and 
can offer wavelengths if it is of any use / help

Our ring runs from TFM3 -> TFM42 -> TFM120 -> TFM3

Jon


> 
> Roderick Beck
> Sales Contractor - Europe and the Americas
> Hibernia Networks
> http://www.hibernianetworks.com 
> Budapest and New York
> 36-30-859-5144
> rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com 
> 

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[uknof] Telehouse Norh/East Cross Connects

2016-09-07 Thread Rod Beck 
Hi Gentlemen,


What do pricing and delivery look like today on fiber cross connects between 
North and East? And is there any third party who can beat the House on these 
two key variables? I am confident the answer is no to the second question, but 
the cost of asking a question is rather low. [😊]


Roderick Beck
Sales Contractor - Europe and the Americas
Hibernia Networks
http://www.hibernianetworks.com
Budapest and New York
36-30-859-5144
rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com



From: uknof  on behalf of James Bensley 

Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:56 AM
To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] IS-IS Multi-Instance

On 2 September 2016 at 09:04, Matjaz Straus Istenic  wrote:
>> On 1. sep. 2016, at 15:11, Neil J. McRae  wrote:
>>
>> What's the use case?
>
> Great question :-)
> Well, it is about people not accepting working and well proved network 
> designs and have a tendency to reinvent the wheel ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Matjaž
>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:57, Matjaz Straus Istenic  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> is somebody aware of a equipment that supports IS-IS Multi-Instance RFC 
>>> 6822? I’ve seen that Cisco IOS XR can run multiple instances of IS-IS but 
>>> I’m not sure if those are just multiple processes or true instances 
>>> according to the RFC 6822. Same goes for Junos OS — instances or just 
>>> multi-process? Well, IS-IS Multi-Instance is mentioned in Alcatel-Lucent 
>>> user guides...


The most obvious use case I can see for it is SR, however we can
already to do this with multi-topology IS-IS. I guess you could do it
with MI-IS-IS too. Do you really need multi instance? If not it sounds
like you can use MT-IS-IS instead which does work in IOS-XR and Junos.

We have lab testeed MT-IS-IS with SR and "it works" in IOS-XR. It's in
a bleeding edge Junos image so I haven't had a chance to test it in
Junos yet or do iner-op testing.

Cheers,
James.

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