Re: [uknof] job listings

[Scott Weeks]

>> i don't know any forum/list to "centralise" network related
>> job offers in the uk.


:: There's really no problem in practice with creating a separate
:: uknof-jobs list if people would like this, but I'm not seeing 
:: a major reason to re-invent the wheel here.


This has been done on other lists (NANOG) and it was popular when 
it first started, but there is no traffic on it any more. I tried
from the applicants position, rather than being the employer, and
that didn't work either.

scott


ps. On, some *NOG lists there is a small amount of job position
announcements sent to the list that doesn't get out of hand and no 
one minds.

Re: [uknof] job listings

[Keith Mitchell]

There's really no problem in practice with creating a separate
uknof-jobs list if people would like this, but I'm not seeing a major
reason to re-invent the wheel here.

Keith

(the other lot will probably insist on proper quoting though :-)


On 04/05/2018 11:08 AM, Aled Morris wrote:

> A couple of people have suggested uknot-jobs which is where I will
> post my advert (once headcount is approved)
> 
> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uknot-jobs

>> On 5 April 2018 at 15:46, Vins Vilaplana 
>> wrote:
> 
>> i don't know any forum/list to "centralise" network related job
>> offers in the uk.
> 
>>> On 05/04/18 14:00, Keith Mitchell wrote:
>>>
>>> There is not. Elsewhere, there is a uknot-jobs list.
>>> 
 Is there a jobs@uknof mailing list

Re: [uknof] job listings

[Nico CARTRON]

Hi everyone,

On 05-Apr-2018 16:46 CEST,  wrote:

> imho, the main goal of a network operators forum/group is to glue "network
> people" together so they can solve issues, provide support and help each
> other. from this point of view, i don't consider unappropriated network
> related job offers.
>
> however, despite i agree the main list is not the right place for job
> offers, the truth is that i don't know any forum/list to "centralise"
> network related job offers in the uk. 

Agreed, and my experience shows that using such mailing lists allows finding
the right people faster.

> since i don't see any reason NOT to
> have a uknof-jobs list, i'd strongly suggest to create it and limit it to
> job offers, not commercial advertisements.
>
> ideally, it would be lovely to have it under uknof, but if not possible, i
> propose to create it under a different domain. if necessary, i volunteer to
> put the servers and maintain it.

FRnOG is dealing with such requests with Sympa's "Tags",
e.g. the generic email address for the mailing list is fr...@frnog.org, but if
you want to post a job, this will be frnog-j...@frnog.org
The subject of the email will then be change to "[JOBS]", allowing you to
configure your emails filters accordingly.

The page http://sympa.frnog.org/wss/info/frnog/ explains this in details:

"In order to help categorize e-mails it is now mandatory to tag the Subject
depending on the content of your message.

Here is the rule you have to follow for posting to this mailing-list:
  
  |  Topic of your e-mail | Tag to use OR   Recipient to use |
  |--|
  | Alert or Incident |   [ALERT]  ||  frnog-al...@frnog.org |
  | @ Internet or in a DC ||||
  ||||
  |  Technical discussion |[TECH]  ||   frnog-t...@frnog.org |
  ||||
  | System / FLOSS and/or |[MISC]  ||   frnog-m...@frnog.org |
  |  philosophical Topics ||||
  ||||
  | sys & network job |[JOBS]  ||   frnog-j...@frnog.org |
  |search & offer ||||
  ||||
  | Sales Q | [BIZ]  ||frnog-...@frnog.org |
  |   Unsolicited ||||
  | offer or announcement ||||
  | is strictly forbidden ||||
  

When you send to a frnog-*@ e-mail address, the tag is automatically inserted
in the Subject."

Not perfect, but this allows redirecting some threads to the relevant "Tag",
and not ennoy people with discussions that they're not interesting in.

Cheers,

-- 
Nico

On 05-Apr-2018 16:46 CEST,  wrote:

> imho, the main goal of a network operators forum/group is to glue "network
> people" together so they can solve issues, provide support and help each
> other. from this point of view, i don't consider unappropriated network
> related job offers.
> 
> however, despite i agree the main list is not the right place for job
> offers, the truth is that i don't know any forum/list to "centralise"
> network related job offers in the uk. since i don't see any reason NOT to
> have a uknof-jobs list, i'd strongly suggest to create it and limit it to
> job offers, not commercial advertisements.
> 
> ideally, it would be lovely to have it under uknof, but if not possible, i
> propose to create it under a different domain. if necessary, i volunteer to
> put the servers and maintain it.
> 
> 
> On 05/04/18 14:00, Keith Mitchell wrote:
> > On 04/05/2018 04:46 AM, Aled Morris wrote:
> > > Is there a jobs@uknof mailing list
> > There is not. Elsewhere, there is a uknot-jobs list.
> > 
> > > or is it ok to post ads here?
> > The UKNOF Charter says:
> > 
> > "UKNOF's mailing lists may not be used for promotion of commercial
> >activities or products."
> > 
> > so posting of jobs ad for commercial entities is probably stretching
> > that a bit. I don't think anyone wants to see this list swamped with job
> > ads - a low level of postings might be acceptable but I'm sure others on
> > the list will have opinions on this.
> > 
> > Keith

Re: [uknof] job listings

[Aled Morris]

Vins,

A couple of people have suggested uknot-jobs which is where I will post my
advert (once headcount is approved)

https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uknot-jobs

Aled

On 5 April 2018 at 15:46, Vins Vilaplana  wrote:

> imho, the main goal of a network operators forum/group is to glue "network
> people" together so they can solve issues, provide support and help each
> other. from this point of view, i don't consider unappropriated network
> related job offers.
>
> however, despite i agree the main list is not the right place for job
> offers, the truth is that i don't know any forum/list to "centralise"
> network related job offers in the uk. since i don't see any reason NOT to
> have a uknof-jobs list, i'd strongly suggest to create it and limit it to
> job offers, not commercial advertisements.
>
> ideally, it would be lovely to have it under uknof, but if not possible, i
> propose to create it under a different domain. if necessary, i volunteer to
> put the servers and maintain it.
>
>
>
> On 05/04/18 14:00, Keith Mitchell wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2018 04:46 AM, Aled Morris wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a jobs@uknof mailing list
>>>
>> There is not. Elsewhere, there is a uknot-jobs list.
>>
>> or is it ok to post ads here?
>>>
>> The UKNOF Charter says:
>>
>> "UKNOF's mailing lists may not be used for promotion of commercial
>>activities or products."
>>
>> so posting of jobs ad for commercial entities is probably stretching
>> that a bit. I don't think anyone wants to see this list swamped with job
>> ads - a low level of postings might be acceptable but I'm sure others on
>> the list will have opinions on this.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [uknof] job listings

[Vins Vilaplana]

imho, the main goal of a network operators forum/group is to glue 
"network people" together so they can solve issues, provide support and 
help each other. from this point of view, i don't consider 
unappropriated network related job offers.


however, despite i agree the main list is not the right place for job 
offers, the truth is that i don't know any forum/list to "centralise" 
network related job offers in the uk. since i don't see any reason NOT 
to have a uknof-jobs list, i'd strongly suggest to create it and limit 
it to job offers, not commercial advertisements.


ideally, it would be lovely to have it under uknof, but if not possible, 
i propose to create it under a different domain. if necessary, i 
volunteer to put the servers and maintain it.



On 05/04/18 14:00, Keith Mitchell wrote:

On 04/05/2018 04:46 AM, Aled Morris wrote:

Is there a jobs@uknof mailing list

There is not. Elsewhere, there is a uknot-jobs list.


or is it ok to post ads here?

The UKNOF Charter says:

"UKNOF's mailing lists may not be used for promotion of commercial
   activities or products."

so posting of jobs ad for commercial entities is probably stretching
that a bit. I don't think anyone wants to see this list swamped with job
ads - a low level of postings might be acceptable but I'm sure others on
the list will have opinions on this.

Keith

Re: [uknof] job listings

[Keith Mitchell]

On 04/05/2018 04:46 AM, Aled Morris wrote:
> Is there a jobs@uknof mailing list

There is not. Elsewhere, there is a uknot-jobs list.

> or is it ok to post ads here?

The UKNOF Charter says:

"UKNOF's mailing lists may not be used for promotion of commercial
  activities or products."

so posting of jobs ad for commercial entities is probably stretching
that a bit. I don't think anyone wants to see this list swamped with job
ads - a low level of postings might be acceptable but I'm sure others on
the list will have opinions on this.

Keith

[uknof] job listings

[Aled Morris]

Is there a jobs@uknof mailing list or is it ok to post ads here?

Aled