Re: Letters d L l and t with caron
At 06:49 10/23/2001, Darren Morby wrote: Which is the preferred form, L with an actual caron or L with an apostrophe? And should there not be a note on capital L like there is on small l? (The note on small l does not say that it applies to capital L also.) The apostrophe form (carka, I believe) is the preferred form for both the upper and lowercase L. I have seen Slovak texts that use the regular caron/hacek form for the uppercase L, but most display the apostrophe form. I agree that a note would be handy. John Hudson Tiro Typeworks www.tiro.com Vancouver, BC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Afghan warlord kills own troops, sells drugs, plays with dead goats - and he's on our side. National Post headline Friday, October 19, 2001
Re: Letters d L l and t with caron
The answer to this depends on someone with expertise in Slovak typography coming forward. The editorial committee would be happy to make any clarification to the names list and text of the standard, if definitive information about Slovak typography for the capital L-caron is forthcoming. --Ken Which is the preferred form, L with an actual caron or L with an apostrophe? And should there not be a note on capital L like there is on small l? (The note on small l does not say that it applies to capital L also.) -- Darren --
Re: Letters d L l and t with caron
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Darren Morby wrote: In The Unicode Standard Version 3.0, the Latin small letters d l and t with caron (U+010F, U+013E, U+0165) are actually shown with a trailing apostrophe (d', l', t'). On each character there is the following note: the form using apostrophe is preferred in typesetting However, the Latin capital letter L with caron (U+013D) is shown with an apostrophe (L') but no note. The Latin capital letters D and T with caron (U+010E, U+0164) show proper carons and notes that the preferred form is with a caron (hacek). Which is the preferred form, L with an actual caron or L with an apostrophe? And should there not be a note on capital L like there is on small l? (The note on small l does not say that it applies to capital L also.) I don't remember the answer but I vaguely recall Agfa consulting a reference when they made the original Unicode bitmap fonts for Teklogix. How have things been going at Teklogix/Psion? I haven't been in touch with anyone there since Lee left. Geoffrey
Re: Letters d L l and t with caron
Why are these characters in Unicode as L/l with caron? Why aren't they just L/l + '? -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org I saw a daemon stare into my face, and an angel touch my breast; each one softly calls my name . . . the daemon scares me less. - Disciple, Stuart Davis
Re: Letters d L l and t with caron
At 11:35 2001-10-23 -0700, John Hudson wrote: The apostrophe form (carka, I believe) is the preferred form for both the upper and lowercase L. I have seen Slovak texts that use the regular caron/hacek form for the uppercase L, but most display the apostrophe form. I agree that a note would be handy. Save for calling it carka you are correct. Slovak texts always prefer the apostrophe form for d, t, l, and L. We only use the other form (the one that looks like a raised v) when we use typewriters that do not have the apostrophe form but do have the caron, or when we write by hand (it somehow seems easier to write the little v than the apostrophe). I have put the word apostrophe to quotation marks because it is not an apostrophe. It looks like an apostrophe but is much closer to the letter it modifies. In a font in which all characters are of the same width an Lcaron will be the width of one character, while L apostrophe will be the width of two characters. Used with other characters, it is always the little raised v. At any rate, these are typographical conventions. Printed either way the meaning is the same: It softens the letter it modifies, e.g., ncaron is pronounced the same as Spanish ntilde. BTW, the Slovak name of caron is makcen (with two dots over the a, and caron over the c and n). It literally means softener. The word hacek used by Unicode is a Czech word (with an acute over the a and a caron over the c) and means little hook which refers to the v shaped one variety only (while makcen refers to either as it describes its function, not its looks). Adam --- http://EasyDomain.com/ Domains for less
Re: Letters d L l and t with caron
At 16:16 2001-10-23 -0500, David Starner wrote: Why are these characters in Unicode as L/l with caron? Because that's what they are. Why aren't they just L/l + '? Because that is something entirely different. Adam --- http://EasyDomain.com/ Domains for less
