Re: Patent on æ ø å
I met these guys at a trade show a couple of years ago and without know about this claim to fame ended up discussing internationalized URLs. IIRC they mentioned something about a patent. I just assume that whatever working groups are standardizing international DNS are working around it. Barry Caplan www.i18n.com At 08:24 PM 11/22/2002 +, Michael Everson wrote: >Can there possibly be any truth in any of this? > >>The following is an article in the Danish paper Information: >> >>http://www.information.dk/Indgang/VisArtikel.dna?pArtNo=136309 >> >>Do you know anything about this. It is supposedly the company Walid >>(http://www.walid.com/) that has patented the transformation of non-a-z for >>use in URLs. >> >>An article in CumputerWorld (admittedly a year and a half old) - >>http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/ebusiness/story/0,10801,59043,00.html >- has some references, among other things to the text of the patent. >> >>The Danish site Softwarepatenter.dk has it also: >http://www.softwarepatenter.dk/walid.html. It is quite new there. Is this >>whole thing just "hoax"? >-- >Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Unicode list and account quotas
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Patent on æ ø å
Can there possibly be any truth in any of this? The following is an article in the Danish paper Information: http://www.information.dk/Indgang/VisArtikel.dna?pArtNo=136309 Do you know anything about this. It is supposedly the company Walid (http://www.walid.com/) that has patented the transformation of non-a-z for use in URLs. An article in CumputerWorld (admittedly a year and a half old) - http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/ebusiness/story/0,10801,59043,00.html - has some references, among other things to the text of the patent. The Danish site Softwarepatenter.dk has it also: http://www.softwarepatenter.dk/walid.html. It is quite new there. Is this whole thing just "hoax"? -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Notice of System Downtime
Greetings. This is to let you all know of a scheduled system outage over the next weekend. Unicode.org is scheduld to be physically transported to a new location and will be unavailable during the window: November 24, 2002 22:00 Eastern Standard Time November 25, 2002 06:00 Eastern Standard Time This is an unavoidable downtime scheduled by our network provider and could be extended in the event of problems. Regards, -- Sarasvati
RE: UTF-Morse
At 02:37 PM 11/22/2002 +0100, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >Otto Stolz wrote: >> Marco, you shall be called "Marcone", or even (granting >> a Pluralis majestatis): "Marconi" ;-) And each element shall be called a "Morsel" Barry
Re: UTF-Morse
Marco Cimarosti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > UTF-Morse - "Bringing Unicode in the telegraph age!" ... > U+0041 ..-- .- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A [2] > U+0042 ..-- -... LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B [2] > U+0043 ..-- -.-. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C [2] > U+0044 ..-- -..LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D [2] > U+0045 ..-- . LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E [2] > U+0046 ..-- ..-. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F [2] > U+0047 ..-- --.LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G [2] Interestingly, there is a Japanese morse language that conflicts with these allocation: http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~a1c/CW_J.htm (SJIS encoded) Perhaps it would be useful to have a morse language selection indicator in UTF-Morse a'la the succesful ISO-2022-JP. The problem could also be defered to higher level frameworks, such as the flexible MIME framework: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-morse+japanese This seems like a serious problem that could delay deployment of UTF-Morse.
RE: XTF-Morse (was RE: UTF-Morse)
Why so ASCII-biased? ;-) See http://www.qsl.net/dk5ke/intcode.html. /kent k
Re: UTF-Morse
Marco Cimarosti scripsit: > Wow! One octet less than ASCII! :-) Well, sure. The variable-length encoding represents a mild degree of compression, though it works best for English, being based loosely on English letter frequency statistics. But compression aside, we would expect a scheme that encodes only ~40 characters to do better than ASCII. -- Winter: MIT, John Cowan Keio, INRIA,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Issue lots of Drafts. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan So much more to understand! http://www.reutershealth.com Might simplicity return?(A "tanka", or extended haiku)
RE: UTF-Morse
Otto Stolz wrote: > Marco, you shall be called "Marcone", or even (granting > a Pluralis majestatis): "Marconi" ;-) Hey! I have a little bit of a belly, but not yet enough to justify calling me "Marcone". :-) BTW, your careful analysis of Morse needing four code units made me think that there could be a "digital Morse", where each code unit takes up two bits. E.g.: 00: letter gap 01: dot 10: dash 11: word gap Up to four code units could stay in each octet. E.g., the word "MORSE" would become: Morse: -- --- .-. ... . Bits: 10100010 1011 10010001 01010001 Hex: 0xA2 0xA1 0x91 0x51 Wow! One octet less than ASCII! :-) _ Marco
XTF-Morse (was RE: UTF-Morse)
Doug Ewell wrote: > Yes, it's true. Marco had sent me his UTF-Morse proposal just > yesterday, along with a suggestion that I put together an > implementation for April Fool's Day. And darned if I wasn't > really going to do it. As a JOKE. > > But Marco, you need to check your invented sequences again. > The leading and trailing Morse code units for the > (non-ASCII) multi-Morse characters conflict with some of the > single-unit characters. For example, U+002D -- looks like > a leading unit, and U+0023 .-.-.. looks like a trailing unit. --- --- --- --- --- ..--.. ... Sorry! Not only I use everybody's bandwidth for April fools in advance: I also get all the details wrong! I attempted to simplify the wording while translating in English, and I messed everything up. So now I have to use more bandwidth to send a corrected version. > (It's only a JOKE, guys. Take a breath.) BTW I recalled that, time ago, the aficionados of faction UTF's on this list decided to call their creations "XTF's", in order to minimize the possibility of confusion with real UTF's. So, everybody reading this message now or in the next years, please take notice that XTF-Morse is *not* an UTF: just an aborted April fool! So please don't knock at the Unicode Consortium asking for the last version of the specs for sending Unicode in Morse! _ Marco == XTF-Morse [*] - "Bringing Unicode in the telegraph age!" -- 0. Terminology In this document, the following special terms are used: - "Morse Dot": a short Morse signal; represented with "." in this document. - "Morse Dash": a long Morse signal; represented with "-" in this document. - "Morse Symbol": a sequence of one or more Dots, constituting a Morse character such as a letter or a punctuation mark. - "Morse Pause": a short pause which separates adjacent Morse symbols; represented with " " (a space) in this document. - "Morse Space": a long pause which separates words; represented with "/" in this document. - "Morse Oct": a special Morse Symbol representing three bits of an Unicode code point. -- 1. Encoding characters in the "ASCII printable" range. Each Unicode characters in range U+0020..U+007E is encoded as a Morse Space, as a single Morse Symbols, or as a sequence of two Morse Symbols, as specified in the following table: Code: XTF-Morse: Character name: -- --- -- U+0020 / SPACE (Morse Space) U+0021 -. EXCLAMATION MARK [1] U+0022 .-..-. QUOTATION MARK U+0023 .-.-.. NUMBER SIGN [1] U+0024 ..-... DOLLAR SIGN [1] U+0025 ..-..- PERCENT SIGN [1] U+0026 ..-.-. AMPERSAND [1] U+0027 .. APOSTROPHE U+0028 -.--.- LEFT PARENTHESIS U+0029 -.---. RIGHT PARENTHESIS [1] U+002A -. ASTERISK [1] U+002B -- PLUS SIGN [1] U+002C --..-- COMMA U+002D -- HYPHEN-MINUS U+002E .-.-.- FULL STOP U+002F -..-. SOLIDUS [1] U+0030 - DIGIT ZERO U+0031 . DIGIT ONE U+0032 ..--- DIGIT TWO U+0033 ...-- DIGIT THREE U+0034 - DIGIT FOUR U+0035 . DIGIT FIVE U+0036 - DIGIT SIX U+0037 --... DIGIT SEVEN U+0038 ---.. DIGIT EIGHT U+0039 . DIGIT NINE U+003A ---... COLON U+003B ---..- SEMICOLON [1] U+003C ---.-. LESS-THAN SIGN [1] U+003D .. EQUALS SIGN [1] U+003E ---.-- GREATER-THAN SIGN [1] U+003F ..--.. QUESTION MARK U+0040 -.-.-. COMMERCIAL AT [1] U+0041 ..-- .- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A [2] U+0042 ..-- -... LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B [2] U+0043 ..-- -.-. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C [2] U+0044 ..-- -..LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D [2] U+0045 ..-- . LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E [2] U+0046 ..-- ..-. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F [2] U+0047 ..-- --.LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G [2] U+0048 ..-- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H [2] U+0049 ..-- .. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I [2] U+004A ..-- .--- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J [2] U+004B ..-- -.-LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K [2] U+004C ..-- .-.. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L [2] U+004D ..-- -- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M [2] U+004E ..-- -. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N [2] U+004F ..-- ---LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O [2] U+0050 ..-- .--. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P [2] U+0051 ..-- --.- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q [2] U+0052 ..-- .-.LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R [2] U+0053 ..-- ...LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S [2] U+0054 ..-- - LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T [2] U+0055 ..-- ..-LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U [2] U+0056 ..-- ...- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V [2] U+0057 ..-- .--LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W [2] U+0058 ..-- -..- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X [2] U+0059 ..-- -.-- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y [2] U+005A ..-- --.. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z [2] U+005B ..---. LEFT SQUARE BRACKET [1] U+005C .- REVERSE SOLIDUS [1] U+005D .. RIGHT SQ
Re: [OT] Morse code (was: Morse coded Unicode)
Otto Stolz scripsit: > But binary? No, Sir! You cannot do without the gaps. The gaps are just to delimit the variable-length binary encoding units. -- What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the John Cowan sound of a [Ww]all that people have stopped [EMAIL PROTECTED] banging their head against? --Larryhttp://www.ccil.org/~cowan
Re: UTF-Morse
Marco Cimarosti wrote: UTF-Morse - "Bringing Unicode in the telegraph age!" ... 1. Unicode characters U+0020..U+007E are encoded according to the following table: ... 2. All other Unicode characters are encoded with one of seven multi-Morse schemes: ... Great! Marco, you shall be called "Marcone", or even (granting a Pluralis majestatis): "Marconi" ;-) Ciao, Otto Stolz
Re: Lowercase numerals
Doug Ewell scripsit: > Roman numerals should be encoded using the letters in the basic Latin > alphabet (upper- or lower-case). The only reason to use the characters > in the range U+2160 - U+217F is to maintain compatibility with East > Asian legacy standards. They might also see plausible use in palaeographic text; a font tuned for Archaic Latin should presumably display U as V and J as I, and the Roman numerals in their archaic forms. -- There is / One art John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No more / No less http://www.reutershealth.com To do / All things http://www.ccil.org/~cowan With art- / Lessness -- Piet Hein
Event in Goa
Found this on the net http://www.cfilt.iitb.ac.in/icukl2002/index.html Regards, Abhijit
Re: [OT] Morse code (was: Morse coded Unicode)
Tom Gewecke wrote: Isn't Morse simply the first (variable bit) binary character encoding standard, which was followed by the 5-bit Baudot, various 6, 7, and 8 bit encodings, and finally (we hope) by the 21 bit Unicode? Morse code isn't a binary code, but rather a quaternary one: It has four distinct code elements, viz. dot, dash, character gap, and word gap. Alternatively, you can think of it as a ternary code, when you represent the word gap by three consecutive character gaps (which will physically make no difference in audible, or flashlight, rendering). But binary? No, Sir! You cannot do without the gaps. Best wishes, Otto Stolz
Re: Anyone who can write Hindi on the Unicode List?
At 09:34 PM 11/21/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, what should I do to fix this bug in my system by using the Windows 2000 OS? The bug is in Office, not in Windows. You either need to get your hands on the South Asian version of Office 2000 or upgrade to Office XP. John Hudson Tiro Typeworks www.tiro.com Vancouver, BC [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is necessary that by all means and cunning, the cursed owners of books should be persuaded to make them available to us, either by argument or by force. - Michael Apostolis, 1467
Re: Lowercase numerals
At 08:40 +0100 2002-11-22, Thomas Lotze wrote: Then what's the way to distinguish between lining and text figures in plain text? There isn't one. That's typography, not character identity. Can this distinction really only be achieved when typesetting the text, by switching between two fonts, one for each kind of numerals? Yes, and rightly so. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Re: Lowercase numerals
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:39:45 -0800 "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So can it be summarized that figures (both arabic and latin) > > actually come in only one flavor (upper or lowercase), the other > > being a variant glyph, and both kinds of roman numerals being > > encoded for reasons other than their semantic meaning? > > Both kinds of Roman numerals were encoded for one reason only: > compatibility with existing standards, as Ken mentioned. That's what I meant by "other than their semantic meaning" - I put it that way because I had been interested in the relationship between their semantics and their being Unicode encoded. > You cannot apply a variation selector (U+FE0x, or soon U+E01xx) to the > ASCII digits to request a different glyph, at least not until Unicode > explicitly defines such a variant sequence. Then what's the way to distinguish between lining and text figures in plain text? Can this distinction really only be achieved when typesetting the text, by switching between two fonts, one for each kind of numerals? Or am I missing some Unicode mechanism here? Cheers, Thomas -- Thomas Lotze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thomas-lotze.de/
Re: UTF-Morse
Yes, it's true. Marco had sent me his UTF-Morse proposal just yesterday, along with a suggestion that I put together an implementation for April Fool's Day. And darned if I wasn't really going to do it. As a JOKE. But Marco, you need to check your invented sequences again. The leading and trailing Morse code units for the (non-ASCII) multi-Morse characters conflict with some of the single-unit characters. For example, U+002D -- looks like a leading unit, and U+0023 .-.-.. looks like a trailing unit. (It's only a JOKE, guys. Take a breath.) -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California - Original Message - From: "Marco Cimarosti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Carl W. Brown'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:22 am Subject: UTF-Morse (was RE: Morse coded Unicode(was: Morse code)) > Carl W. Brown wrote: > > I think that the bigger issue might be how do you extend Morse code to > > incorporate the Unicode character set. > > [...] > > Carl, this is unfair!! You spoiled my April 1st joke in mid November! > > Ciao. > Marco :-) > > > > -- > UTF-Morse - "Bringing Unicode in the telegraph age!" > > > 1. Unicode characters U+0020..U+007E are encoded according to the > following table: > > Code: UTF-Morse: Character name: > -- --- -- > U+0020 / SPACE > U+0021 -. EXCLAMATION MARK [1] > U+0022 .-..-. QUOTATION MARK > U+0023 .-.-.. NUMBER SIGN [1] > U+0024 ..-... DOLLAR SIGN [1] > U+0025 ..-..- PERCENT SIGN [1] > U+0026 ..-.-. AMPERSAND [1] > U+0027 .. APOSTROPHE > U+0028 -.--.- LEFT PARENTHESIS > U+0029 -.---. RIGHT PARENTHESIS [1] > U+002A -. ASTERISK [1] > U+002B -- PLUS SIGN [1] > U+002C --..-- COMMA > U+002D -- HYPHEN-MINUS > U+002E .-.-.- FULL STOP > U+002F -..-. SOLIDUS [1] > U+0030 - DIGIT ZERO > U+0031 . DIGIT ONE > U+0032 ..--- DIGIT TWO > U+0033 ...-- DIGIT THREE > U+0034 - DIGIT FOUR > U+0035 . DIGIT FIVE > U+0036 - DIGIT SIX > U+0037 --... DIGIT SEVEN > U+0038 ---.. DIGIT EIGHT > U+0039 . DIGIT NINE > U+003A ---... COLON > U+003B ---..- SEMICOLON [1] > U+003C ---.-. LESS-THAN SIGN [1] > U+003D .. EQUALS SIGN [1] > U+003E ---.-- GREATER-THAN SIGN [1] > U+003F ..--.. QUESTION MARK > U+0040 -.-.-. COMMERCIAL AT [1] > U+0041 ..-- .- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A [2] > U+0042 ..-- -... LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B [2] > U+0043 ..-- -.-. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C [2] > U+0044 ..-- -..LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D [2] > U+0045 ..-- . LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E [2] > U+0046 ..-- ..-. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F [2] > U+0047 ..-- --.LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G [2] > U+0048 ..-- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H [2] > U+0049 ..-- .. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I [2] > U+004A ..-- .--- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J [2] > U+004B ..-- -.-LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K [2] > U+004C ..-- .-.. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L [2] > U+004D ..-- -- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M [2] > U+004E ..-- -. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N [2] > U+004F ..-- ---LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O [2] > U+0050 ..-- .--. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P [2] > U+0051 ..-- --.- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q [2] > U+0052 ..-- .-.LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R [2] > U+0053 ..-- ...LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S [2] > U+0054 ..-- - LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T [2] > U+0055 ..-- ..-LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U [2] > U+0056 ..-- ...- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V [2] > U+0057 ..-- .--LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W [2] > U+0058 ..-- -..- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X [2] > U+0059 ..-- -.-- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y [2] > U+005A ..-- --.. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z [2] > U+005B ..---. LEFT SQUARE BRACKET [1] > U+005C .- REVERSE SOLIDUS [1] > U+005D .. RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET [1] > U+005E .-...- CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT [1] > U+005F -- LOW LINE [1] > U+0060 ...--- GRAVE ACCENT [1] > U+0061 .- LATIN SMALL LETTER A > U+0062 -...LATIN SMALL LETTER B > U+0063 -.-.LATIN SMALL LETTER C > U+0064 -.. LATIN SMALL LETTER D > U+0065 . LATIN SMALL LETTER E > U+0066 ..-.LATIN SMALL LETTER F > U+0067 --. LATIN SMALL LETTER G > U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H > U+0069 .. LATIN SMALL LETTER I > U+006A .---LATIN SMALL LETTER J > U+006B -.- LATIN SMALL LETTER K > U+006C .-..LATIN SMALL LETTER L > U+006D -- LATIN SMALL LETTER M > U+006E -. LATIN SMALL LETTER N > U+006F --- LATIN SMALL LETTER O > U+0070 .--.LATIN SMALL LETTER P > U+0071 --.-LATIN SMALL LETTER Q > U+0072 .-. LATIN SMALL LETTER R > U+0073 ... LATIN SMALL LETTER S > U+0074 - LATIN SMALL LETTER T > U+0075 ..- LATIN SMALL LETTER U > U+0076 ...-LATIN SMALL LETTER V > U+0077 .-- LATIN SMALL LETTER W > U
