proposal for a creative commons character
The Creative Commons (http://www.creativecommons.org) is devoted to expanding the range of creative work available for others to build upon and share. While technically they use copyright to do so, the creative commons has this neat symbol that looks just like a copyright (00A9) except that it has two letter c's inside the circle instead of one. Thus, it looks like (cc) instead of (c). There are some other symbols they have also created which can be seen on this page: http://creativecommons.org/license/ Without getting greedy, I'd like to propose the adoption of the (cc) symbol in whatever way would be most expedient (so that creative commons authors can identify their work more appropriately), and leave for later the question of the other symbols. I am posting here first, as suggested by the website, to initiate discussion, and if there is discussion, following it through before making a formal submission, which if discussion warrants, would be the next logical step. Michael Tiemann
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
Michael Tiemann scripsit: Without getting greedy, I'd like to propose the adoption of the (cc) symbol in whatever way would be most expedient (so that creative commons authors can identify their work more appropriately), and leave for later the question of the other symbols. It's a logo. We normally don't do logos. -- Is not a patron, my Lord [Chesterfield],John Cowan one who looks with unconcern on a man http://www.ccil.org/~cowan struggling for life in the water, and when http://www.reutershealth.com he has reached ground encumbers him with help? [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Samuel Johnson
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
I'm new to this, so I'm not sure the best way to move forward, but let me try two ways: 1. The Euro symbol is a logo of the new European currency. 2. The (cc) symbol is not trademarked, so there is not the kind of IP issue as their would be around usual logos. 3. If there were a cc character that could be enclosed by an enclosing circle character, then the symbol could be composed from Unicode characters. Thus, there would be no logo per se, but a means to construct what we want to make a symbol, by usage and acclaim, not a logo. But this would be less elegant than a single (cc) character because, as the enclosing characters page says, YMMV when using these enclosing symbols. Is that a start? M On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 16:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Tiemann scripsit: Without getting greedy, I'd like to propose the adoption of the (cc) symbol in whatever way would be most expedient (so that creative commons authors can identify their work more appropriately), and leave for later the question of the other symbols. It's a logo. We normally don't do logos.
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
The Creative Commons (http://www.creativecommons.org) is devoted to expanding the range of creative work available for others to build upon and share. While technically they use copyright to do so, the creative commons has this neat symbol that looks just like a copyright (00A9) except that it has two letter c's inside the circle instead of one. Thus, it looks like (cc) instead of (c). There are some other symbols they have also created which can be seen on this page: http://creativecommons.org/license/ Without getting greedy, I'd like to propose the adoption of the (cc) symbol in whatever way would be most expedient (so that creative commons authors can identify their work more appropriately), and leave for later the question of the other symbols. Well, I have a logo too and it sure would be swell to be able to 'identify my work more appropriately' in plain text. But Unicode does not encode logos or other idiosyncratic marks. We has the same discussion a couple of years ago with the 'Copyleft' people, who wanted their own open source collaborative effort's logo encoded. Maybe if that had happened we could now have a fun argument about whether or not the Creative Commons logo is a glyph variant of the Copyleft logo. :) John Hudson -- Tiro Typeworkswww.tiro.com Vancouver, BC[EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently reading: The Seven Storey Mountain, by Thomas Merton Hebrew manuscripts of the Middle Ages, by Colette Sirat
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
On Jun 15, 2004, at 2:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Tiemann scripsit: Without getting greedy, I'd like to propose the adoption of the (cc) symbol in whatever way would be most expedient (so that creative commons authors can identify their work more appropriately), and leave for later the question of the other symbols. It's a logo. We normally don't do logos. To be a little less terse, in the case of symbols like this, it is the strong preference not to encode as a means to encourage use. John H. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/jhjenkins/
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
- Original Message - From: Michael Tiemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: proposal for a creative commons character I'm new to this, so I'm not sure the best way to move forward, but let me try two ways: 1. The Euro symbol is a logo of the new European currency. Yes, but it is not _just_ a logo. It is a logo which found its way into plain text. It is quite usual for a plain text to use the euro logo instead of the EUR currency abbreviation. 2. The (cc) symbol is not trademarked, so there is not the kind of IP issue as their would be around usual logos. 3. If there were a cc character that could be enclosed by an enclosing circle character, then the symbol could be composed from Unicode characters. Thus, there would be no logo per se, but a means to construct what we want to make a symbol, by usage and acclaim, not a logo. But this would be less elegant than a single (cc) character because, as the enclosing characters page says, YMMV when using these enclosing symbols. Is that a start Just a start, but to get it encoded you need more. Examples of using the cc logo in plaintext _might_ help.
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
On 2004.06.15, 21:49, Michael Tiemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there were a cc character that could be enclosed by an enclosing circle character, then the symbol could be composed from Unicode characters. Try U+33C4 U+20DD, might work... :-) --. António MARTINS-Tuválkin | ()| [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| PT-1XXX-XXX LISBOA Não me invejo de quem tem| +351 934 821 700 carros, parelhas e montes| http://www.tuvalkin.web.pt/bandeira/ só me invejo de quem bebe| http://pagina.de/bandeiras/ a água em todas as fontes|
Re: proposal for a creative commons character
1. The Euro symbol is a logo of the new European currency. Yes, but it is not _just_ a logo. It is a logo which found its way into plain text. It is quite usual for a plain text to use the euro logo instead of the EUR currency abbreviation. I wouldn't even use the term 'logo' for the euro symbol. It is a currency symbol just like the $ sign. The fact that it was invented by a committee and didn't develop organically over time does not make it a logo, and it has very quickly developed all the characteristics of other currency symbols, including great variation of form and typographic representation. Furthermore, it is a symbol specified by, recognised by, and encoded by national standards bodies. Unsurprisingly, if a government comes along and says 'We have this legal symbol that means X and we have a need to use it in plain text', that symbol tends to get encoded. John Hudson -- Tiro Typeworkswww.tiro.com Vancouver, BC[EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently reading: The Seven Storey Mountain, by Thomas Merton Hebrew manuscripts of the Middle Ages, by Colette Sirat
