Re: MSDN Article, Second Draft
Could you include the followin. 1/ Why even after about 20 years of existence, the unicode is not supported by any significant software and applications? 2/ What if ISO-8859-X for any one who wanted it be allowed to exist (as a standard) in parallel, while Unicode learns and matures it's too advanced, but difficult technology. 3/ In the name of promoting Unicode, are we holdingback multilingual computing for the next 10 years or so? I' looking for a fair analysis of these points. Kind regards Sinnathurai
Re: Printing and Displaying Dependent Vowels
Unicode rightly or wrongly decided to implement partial Grammar at encoding level. Hence, possible solutions to this problem be defined by UC and not leaving to others is get tangled may be the right way to go. 1/ Linear Depandent with dotted circle- as stand alsone 2/ Linear dependent without dotted circle - as stand alone 3/ Repositioned dependent with dotted circle- as stand alone 4/ Repositioned dependent without dotted circle - as stand alone I think the above four need to be defined by UC. Probably the no:1 above (or is it no: 3 above) is already defined and wee can build on this. Srivas - Original Message - From: Peter Jacobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Avarangal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Peter Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: RE: Printing and Displaying Dependent Vowels Hi Srivas, Peter Kirk, Peter Constable, List Members Peter Constable wrote: Peter Kirk wrote: Are these dependent on the font, as some have suggested, or are they prescribed by Uniscribe? Do different versions of Uniscribe differ in this respect, as I rather think? At present, I don't know the answer. I know this is something we have intended to support, but I don't get that behaviour on the particular system I'm using at the moment. I will keep it in mind as an issue to review in the next version of our Indic shaping engine. With the help of members of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, I can offer some empirical evidence on this whodunnit: Using the Linux version of Abiword, which uses the Pango renderer, both the Code 2000 and the MS Latha font display the vowel signs without the unwanted dotted circle. NBSP and normal SPACE give identical results. For Code 2000 only, the dotted circle or a similiar ersatz glypg (the screenshot is not that clear) is drawn for the two-part vowel signs U+0BCA, U+0BCB and U+0BCC between the two parts. Best Regards, Peter Jacobi -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: TÜV-geprüfter Virenschutz +++ 100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos: http://www.gmx.net/virenschutz
Keyboard Driver for Malayalam Unicode
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Re: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones
OS and Uniscribe. This still requires discussion. OS should not be allowed to make Language a static thing of the past. At present the OS asumes that it understands the Grammar and prevents modifications and some times make mistakes in Grammar too. OS should not deal with Grammar This should be made policy for all languages concerned. Grammar on how to write, spelling ristrictions, and similar impediments should not be built into OS. I guess collation need to be part of OS. I do not have a view on hoe collation should be treated. May be some experts on this topic shed some light. Proposing changes to Unicode: A Typical scenario. I need to publish a Pronouciation Dictionary dictionary. There is a small number of people using this Dictionary at present, which I made using 8bit encoding. There are no dictionaries that can be refered for learning pronounciation. The major Institutions does not see a need for Tamil Pronounciation dictionary yet. But as the migration of people has become so significant, this need have become intense. But, in countries where Tamil is used in regular basis ther is no need. They know what they are reading. But Tamil diaspora in theire millions scattered all over the world is in dire need. Would it be the duty of Unicode Consortium to lend a hand (be it experimental) or should this be approved by major Institutions. Sinnathurai Srivas From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:23:06 -0500 On 07/29/2002 10:41:47 AM Doug Ewell wrote: I do want to emphasize, in parting, that you will need to ensure your reform is successful (i.e. has been officially approved by governmental or scholarly bodies, or has at least achieved some popular usage) *before* proposing changes to Unicode. And possibly also before requesting changes in related technologies that would be affected (e.g. Uniscribe or other OT-related rendering engines). - Peter --- Peter Constable Non-Roman Script Initiative, SIL International 7500 W. Camp Wisdom Rd., Dallas, TX 75236, USA Tel: +1 972 708 7485 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
RE: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones
Dear Suzanne M. Topping, This forum frequently touches on controversial topics, unrelated to Tamil character reform. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tamil_araichchi_vaddam/messages Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards sinnathurai Srivas http://www.geocities.com/avarangal From: Suzanne M. Topping [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:19:57 -0400 -Original Message- From: Sinnathurai Srivas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Again let me point out that the discussions on the pros and cons of script reform are conducted at other forums. Can you provide URLs for those forums, for those who might want to look into the reform further? _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones
Dear James Kass, For a pronounciation Dictionary, a set of diacritics that is in experiment need to be included and when this additional (diacritics) occur in text, OS should not decide some thing is wrong with grammar and substitue with dotted circles or assumes the font is faulty and replaces with another font which does not know anything about this additional diacritics used. Sinnathurai Srivas From: James Kass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Unicode List [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Sinnathurai Srivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:04:31 -0700 More about the rôle of Uniscribe (Microsoft's Unicode engine) can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/uniscribe/default.htm A reason that Unicode text processing is considered necessary at the OS level is that, if it were not present in the form of a shared system, each and every program which needed to handle Unicode text would have to contain too much duplicated information. A Tamil pronouncing dictionary would probably be outside the realm of Unicode to endorse or sponsor. But, at the risk of straying off-topic, what changes are needed in Unicode before publishing such a dictionary would be possible? Best regards, James Kass. - Original Message - From: Sinnathurai Srivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:13 AM Subject: Re: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones OS and Uniscribe. This still requires discussion. OS should not be allowed to make Language a static thing of the past. At present the OS asumes that it understands the Grammar and prevents modifications and some times make mistakes in Grammar too. OS should not deal with Grammar This should be made policy for all languages concerned. Grammar on how to write, spelling ristrictions, and similar impediments should not be built into OS. I guess collation need to be part of OS. I do not have a view on hoe collation should be treated. May be some experts on this topic shed some light. Proposing changes to Unicode: A Typical scenario. I need to publish a Pronouciation Dictionary dictionary. There is a small number of people using this Dictionary at present, which I made using 8bit encoding. There are no dictionaries that can be refered for learning pronounciation. The major Institutions does not see a need for Tamil Pronounciation dictionary yet. But as the migration of people has become so significant, this need have become intense. But, in countries where Tamil is used in regular basis ther is no need. They know what they are reading. But Tamil diaspora in theire millions scattered all over the world is in dire need. Would it be the duty of Unicode Consortium to lend a hand (be it experimental) or should this be approved by major Institutions. Sinnathurai Srivas From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:23:06 -0500 On 07/29/2002 10:41:47 AM Doug Ewell wrote: I do want to emphasize, in parting, that you will need to ensure your reform is successful (i.e. has been officially approved by governmental or scholarly bodies, or has at least achieved some popular usage) *before* proposing changes to Unicode. And possibly also before requesting changes in related technologies that would be affected (e.g. Uniscribe or other OT-related rendering engines). - Peter --- Peter Constable Non-Roman Script Initiative, SIL International 7500 W. Camp Wisdom Rd., Dallas, TX 75236, USA Tel: +1 972 708 7485 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Tamil Text Messaging in Mobile Phones
http://www.gbizg.com/tamil/Unicode/Tamil_Text_Messaging.htm see the above for a sample of typical modern Tamil designed for mobile texting without rendering support. A typical Product; http://sms.gt.com.ua/ Text messaging in Tamil on Mobile phones. Would they only work with my proposed reformed Tamil characters? see http://www.geocities.com/avarangal for using ancient Tamil writing logic and reforming current alphabets _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
