Re: Do you have these characters?
Antoine Leca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Whistler wrote: Brendan suggested: Antoine Leca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the point of view of character encoding, I don't think it would be correct to substitute out either the A/B usage (from hexadecimal implementations) Just for the record: although the most widely known usage is definitively hexadecimal notation using A through F, the letters A to Z (or a to z, depending of variying factors) for the "digits" above 10 in base 11 to 36 are in wide use in the 80's programming languages, including in the ISO standards for Ada (the base#...# notation) or C (the strtol function, and the non-Standard itoa/ultoa functions). SPSS (Statistical Package for Social "Sciences") uses (used?) the letters A-X in addition to digits 0-9 for its "portable" file format. But I agree that the customary use of A-F for hexadecimal makes it more difficult to read. I stuck with octal for many years because of this before giving up to the tide of the culture, even taught my nephews. Octal is so much simpler, just like decimal if you have no thumbs, as Tom Lehrer sang.
Re: Do you have these characters?
Unicode does not have these two characters (dozenal digit 10 {a turned
digit 2} and dozenal digit 11 [a reversed digit 3}).
I see two slightly different forms for this DUODECIMAL DIGIT ELEVEN on
the Dozenal Society's Web page. The PDF referenced by Robert shows a
*reversed* 3 (rotated about its vertical axis), but the clock shown
elsewhere on the site has a *turned* 3 (upside down). The flat-top 3
used on the clock shows that this makes a difference.
The Dozenal Society will need to decide which transformation of DIGIT
THREE is preferred before submitting a Unicode request.
-Doug Ewell
Fullerton, California
Re: Do you have these characters?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Unicode, by any name, the two mutant digits in the attached file? What about the pairs 0041;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A 0042;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B and 0061;LATIN SMALL LETTER A 0062;LATIN SMALL LETTER B (which will be the one chosen by almost any software for this use). Regards, Antoine --IAA09540.962120183/hpuxmail--
Do you have these characters?
Has Unicode, by any name, the two mutant digits in the attached file? If not, I want to add them. (No, not add them to get dozenal 19, I know that's what they add up to; I mean add them to Unicode!) ** 11-Digit Boy ** My site is: http://members.spree.com/entertainment/11digitboy Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 dozprime.pdf
Re: Do you have these characters?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Unicode, by any name, the two mutant digits in the attached file? What about the pairs 0041;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A 0042;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B and 0061;LATIN SMALL LETTER A 0062;LATIN SMALL LETTER B (which will be the one chosen by almost any software for this use). Regards, Antoine
Re: Do you have these characters?
On 06:48 -0800 2000-06-27, 11-Digit Boy wrote: Has Unicode, by any name, the two mutant digits in the attached file? If not, I want to add them. (No, not add them to get dozenal 19, I know that's what they add up to; I mean add them to Unicode!) Please do not send attached files to the Unicode list. Put the files on your site and post the URL. Michael Everson ** Everson Gunn Teoranta ** http://www.egt.ie 15 Port Chaeimhghein Íochtarach; Baile Átha Cliath 2; Éire/Ireland Vox +353 1 478 2597 ** Fax +353 1 478 2597 ** Mob +353 86 807 9169 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn; Baile an Bhóthair; Co. Átha Cliath; Éire
Re: Do you have these characters?
Brendan suggested:
Antoine Leca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about the pairs
0041;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A
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(which will be the one chosen by almost any software for this use).
This is a little too simplistic: these characters have specific numeric
properties and behaviors separate from those of A and B. The
hexadecimal-ness of A through F is not encoded in Unicode, but these
characters are commonly used as hex digits *and* in Latin-based scripts.
However, these extra two characters are clearly not interchangeable with A
and B, so I don't believe that using these is a complete solution.
Perhaps a better solution is to use the Roman numerals X and XI (or x and
xi) encoded in the number forms range (2150-218F).
I don't think this is the answer either. The plain answer to the
question in the subject line is "No". Unicode does not have these
two characters (dozenal digit 10 {a turned digit 2} and dozenal
digit 11 [a reversed digit 3}).
From the point of view of character encoding, I don't think it would
be correct to substitute out either the A/B usage (from hexadecimal
implementations) or the Roman numeral characters, although it is
easy to see how one could implement dozenal numerical formatting
with either (or for that matter, using "t" for ten and "e" for
eleven: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 t e 10 11 ... 19 1t 1e 20 ... etc. or
any other arbitrary choice of characters.
But if the Dozenal Society of Great Britain feels that its particular
usage of characters is important, then they (or anyone wishing to
sponsor their usage) could submit the appropriate Summary Proposal
Form for encoding characters to UTC and WG2 for consideration.
If these two characters pass a threshold test for being more than
idiosyncratic usage characters, then I am sure that in due time they
could be included in the Unicode repertoire.
--Ken
