RE: German 'ich' (was: Pronunciation of U+0429)
I guess everybody know that "the" has genders in Germany: der, die, das Now imagine the poor American arriving in Munich and stepping on a Bavarian's toe: "Das die der Dei-bel hol" (I messed with the Bavarian spelling a bit to get my point across.) I' bä a Schwob (I learned German the first time in a tiny Swabian village near Tübingen) Dave --- "Vaintroub, Wladislav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Despite all the similarities in pronounciations of Russian U+0429 and > German > "ich" , > U+0429 seems to be very hard for pronounce Germans, who learn Russian > (the > most complicated for Germans is I think U+042B, which most of them > pronounce > like German "u"). > > Icke, > (a Russian living in Berlin) > > > -Original Message- > From: David Possin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:17 PM > To: Otto Stolz; Rick Cameron > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: German 'ich' (was: Pronunciation of U+0429) > > > I was thinking about Hessisch too, which is Frankfurt area and the > German Bundesland Hessen. > I think I can distinguish about 6 different dialects, each one has a > different pronunciation of 'ich'. If anybody is interested I can > organize a conference call offlist and we can listen to the various > sounds by phone. Compare it with the Berlin version ;-) > > Dave > --- Otto Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick Cameron wrote: > > > > > At http://www.philol.msu.ru/rus/galya-1/kons/n-2.htm you can find > > > audiovisual samples for the consonants of the Russian alphabet. > The > > entry > > > for U+0429 (which they write as D?') sure looks and sounds like > an > > ich-laut > > > to me. > > > > Are you referring to the German standard pronounciation [A?], > > or have you, by any chance, heard this phoneme pronounced by > > a Hessian [Ef]? The latter would resemble the pronounciation of > > "N?" much more than the former (which is normally transliterated > > into Russian as "D3"). > > > > Best wishes, > >Otto Stolz > > > > = Dave Possin Globalization Consultant www.Welocalize.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locales/ __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
RE: German 'ich' (was: Pronunciation of U+0429)
Despite all the similarities in pronounciations of Russian U+0429 and German "ich" , U+0429 seems to be very hard for pronounce Germans, who learn Russian (the most complicated for Germans is I think U+042B, which most of them pronounce like German "u"). Icke, (a Russian living in Berlin) -Original Message- From: David Possin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:17 PM To: Otto Stolz; Rick Cameron Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: German 'ich' (was: Pronunciation of U+0429) I was thinking about Hessisch too, which is Frankfurt area and the German Bundesland Hessen. I think I can distinguish about 6 different dialects, each one has a different pronunciation of 'ich'. If anybody is interested I can organize a conference call offlist and we can listen to the various sounds by phone. Compare it with the Berlin version ;-) Dave --- Otto Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick Cameron wrote: > > > At http://www.philol.msu.ru/rus/galya-1/kons/n-2.htm you can find > > audiovisual samples for the consonants of the Russian alphabet. The > entry > > for U+0429 (which they write as D?') sure looks and sounds like an > ich-laut > > to me. > > Are you referring to the German standard pronounciation [A?], > or have you, by any chance, heard this phoneme pronounced by > a Hessian [Ef]? The latter would resemble the pronounciation of > "N?" much more than the former (which is normally transliterated > into Russian as "D3"). > > Best wishes, >Otto Stolz > > = Dave Possin Globalization Consultant www.Welocalize.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locales/ __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: German 'ich' (was: Pronunciation of U+0429)
I was thinking about Hessisch too, which is Frankfurt area and the German Bundesland Hessen. I think I can distinguish about 6 different dialects, each one has a different pronunciation of 'ich'. If anybody is interested I can organize a conference call offlist and we can listen to the various sounds by phone. Compare it with the Berlin version ;-) Dave --- Otto Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick Cameron wrote: > > > At http://www.philol.msu.ru/rus/galya-1/kons/n-2.htm you can find > > audiovisual samples for the consonants of the Russian alphabet. The > entry > > for U+0429 (which they write as Ш') sure looks and sounds like an > ich-laut > > to me. > > Are you referring to the German standard pronounciation [ç], > or have you, by any chance, heard this phoneme pronounced by > a Hessian [ʃ]? The latter would resemble the pronounciation of > "щ" much more than the former (which is normally transliterated > into Russian as "г"). > > Best wishes, >Otto Stolz > > = Dave Possin Globalization Consultant www.Welocalize.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locales/ __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
