Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
Ar 23:05 -0800 2000-12-17, scríobh Richard Cook: And as for the consonant symbols, why stop with t, d, n, l, c, z? Why not include the rest of the curly-tail and other symbols in the following chart: http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/curly-tail-table3.pdf there are a few other bits of data you might glean also, including usage of the apical vowel symbols. I think we need to consult, offline, with the IPA about this matter. Michael Everson ** Everson Gunn Teoranta ** http://www.egt.ie 15 Port Chaeimhghein Íochtarach; Baile Átha Cliath 2; Éire/Ireland Mob +353 86 807 9169 ** Fax +353 1 478 2597 ** Vox +353 1 478 2597 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn; Baile an Bhóthair; Co. Átha Cliath; Éire
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
The curly-tail consonants t, d, n, l, c, z are also included in the TeX IPA (tipa fonts). The documentation of those fonts is available on ftp://ftp.dante.de/texarchive/fonts/tipa/tipaman.ps.gz --J"org Knappen
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
"J%ORG KNAPPEN" wrote: The curly-tail consonants t, d, n, l, c, z are also included in the TeX IPA (tipa fonts). The documentation of those fonts is available on ftp://ftp.dante.de/texarchive/fonts/tipa/tipaman.ps.gz --J"org Knappen Hi J"org, It looks as if you sent the wrong url. The right path is, I believe: ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/fonts/tipa/ And as for the consonant symbols, why stop with t, d, n, l, c, z? Why not include the rest of the curly-tail and other symbols in the following chart: http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/curly-tail-table3.pdf there are a few other bits of data you might glean also, including usage of the apical vowel symbols. -Richard
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
From: JÖRG KNAPPEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:33:05 -0800 (GMT-0800) The curly-tail consonants t, d, n, l, c, z are also included in the TeX IPA (tipa fonts). The documentation of those fonts is available on ftp://ftp.dante.de/texarchive/fonts/tipa/tipaman.ps.gz --J"org Knappen Hello! Most IPA fonts include these lowercase right-tailed retroflex letters: t, d, z, c, j, l, n, r; however, SIL's *Encore* Series Fonts (currently in version 3.0) also has the highercase versions of those 8 + curly-tailed s, esh, ezh in both higher- lowercase. I'd use a curly-tailed s to pair up with curly-tailed z for the retroflex sibilantsthat'll save the curly-tailed c to pair with curly-tailed j for your retroflex laminal affricatesonly if you don't want to use a diacritic accent (like an underring) to represent retroflexion. Thank You! Robert Lloyd Wheelock _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
Ar 13:10 -0800 2000-11-23, scríobh Richard Cook: Hi everyone, This paper, brought to your attention last June http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/curly-tailed-tdnlcz.pdf http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/TranscriptionTable-WUZongji.jpg has been updated recently. Still working on getting the formal proposal together, and still welcoming comments and/or suggestions. Ah. I forgot. Richard, I'd come across these characters independently some time ago, when at the Beijing meeting of WG2 I'd collected a number of books on Yi, in which these characters occur. I think your arguments about the productivity of the curl in the IPA are spot on. In short, I think these characters should be added and that there should be no impediment to doing so. In fact, in September I was updating one of the fonts Asmus and I use to prepare tables and I added these characters for future use. Michael Everson ** Everson Gunn Teoranta ** http://www.egt.ie 15 Port Chaeimhghein Íochtarach; Baile Átha Cliath 2; Éire/Ireland Vox +353 1 478 2597 ** Fax +353 1 478 2597 ** Mob +353 86 807 9169 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn; Baile an Bhóthair; Co. Átha Cliath; Éire
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
Michael Everson wrote: Ar 13:10 -0800 2000-11-23, scríobh Richard Cook: Hi everyone, This paper, brought to your attention last June http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/curly-tailed-tdnlcz.pdf http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/TranscriptionTable-WUZongji.jpg has been updated recently. Still working on getting the formal proposal together, and still welcoming comments and/or suggestions. Ah. I forgot. Richard, I'd come across these characters independently some time ago, when at the Beijing meeting of WG2 I'd collected a number of books on Yi, in which these characters occur. I think your arguments about the productivity of the curl in the IPA are spot on. Michael, Yes, transcription of Yi (Lolo) and other Lolo-ish and Lolo-Burmese languages is one of the things I'm talking about in the above paper. And phonetic transcriptions of Tibetan etc. ... In short, I think these characters should be added and that there should be no impediment to doing so. In fact, in September I was updating one of the fonts Asmus and I use to prepare tables and I added these characters for future use. Did you add curly-tail-l and curly-tail-r too? As I mention in the paper, the productivity of symbols for this place of articulation admits the possibility of curly-tail-r as well ... though I've never seen it except in my transcription font. I added it to my font just for the production of that paper ... but haven't added the symbol to the paper yet. Wondering if I should also add it to the paper title ... But I think that some phonologists or phoneticians may in fact one day take it into their heads to use curly-tail-l and curly-tail-r more widely ... so, the chars for this place series ought to be available to everyone. Richard S. COOK, Jr. STEDT Project, Linguistics Department University of California, Berkeley
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
The curly-tail consonants t, d, n, l, c, z are also included in the TeX IPA (tipa fonts). The documentation of those fonts is available on ftp://ftp.dante.de/texarchive/fonts/tipa/tipaman.ps.gz --J"org Knappen
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
"J%ORG KNAPPEN" wrote: The curly-tail consonants t, d, n, l, c, z are also included in the TeX IPA (tipa fonts). The documentation of those fonts is available on ftp://ftp.dante.de/texarchive/fonts/tipa/tipaman.ps.gz --J"org Knappen Thanks. The URL should have a hyphen in it: ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/fonts/tipa/ and I don't see the curly-tail-l in the tipaman.pdf ... which is not really surprising. and no curly-tail-r either :-)
Re: Information about curly-tailed phonetic letters
Hi everyone, This paper, brought to your attention last June http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/curly-tailed-tdnlcz.pdf http://stedt.berkeley.edu/pdf/TranscriptionTable-WUZongji.jpg has been updated recently. Still working on getting the formal proposal together, and still welcoming comments and/or suggestions. Best, Richard Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:48:09 -0800 (GMT-0800) Kenneth Whistler wrote: Richard S. Cook, of the STEDT Project at the University of California, Berkeley, passes on the following URL's, which contain documentation regarding the use of curly-tailed phonetic letters in the Sinological and Sino-Tibetan traditions. --Ken Hi there, You may recall that we (on the Unicode list and elsewhere) discussed the issue of certain phonetic transcription characters and their possible inclusion in the Unicode standard. Here is a copy of a paper that I prepared some time ago on this subject. old URL's deleted I welcome any comments or suggestions, and please feel free to pass these URL's on to the Unicode list, as I am currently not subscribed. Best, Richard Richard S. COOK, Jr. STEDT Project, Linguistics Department University of California, Berkeley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://stedt.berkeley.edu/
