Re: Rendering of U+0653 ARABIC MADDAH ABOVE

2011-07-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader 
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 20:55 -0500, Bob Hallissy wrote:
 And for further clarification: when does U+06E4 ARABIC SMALL HIGH MADDA 
 get used?

Yes. In the Korans only. It tends to be rare, but it is used.

Roozbeh

Re: Rendering of U+0653 ARABIC MADDAH ABOVE

2011-07-20 Thread Roozbeh Pournader 
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 14:42 -0500, Bob Hallissy wrote:
 Wondering if anyone knows (or has an educated guess):
 
 When an Arabic combining character sequence includes both 
   * U+0653 ARABIC MADDAH ABOVE and 
   * an Arabic vowel mark above (e.g., U+064E ARABIC FATHA or maybe
 U+065A ARABIC VOWEL SIGN SMALL V ABOVE), 
 should the maddah be rendered above the vowel, or the vowel above the
 maddah?

Definitely the madda above the vowel, to take care of Koranic scenarios.
For example, some annotation styles of the Koran may commonly include
the sequence WAW, DAMMA, MADDA to indicate an elongated [u:] sound.
There, the madda clearly goes over the damma.

Roozbeh

Re: Rendering of U+0653 ARABIC MADDAH ABOVE

2011-07-20 Thread Petr Tomasek 
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:42:32PM -0500, Bob Hallissy wrote:
 Wondering if anyone knows (or has an educated guess):
 
 When an Arabic combining character sequence includes both
 
  * U+0653 ARABIC MADDAH ABOVE and
  * an Arabic vowel mark above (e.g., U+064E ARABIC FATHA or maybe
U+065A ARABIC VOWEL SIGN SMALL V ABOVE),
 
 should the maddah be rendered above the vowel, or the vowel above the 
 maddah?
 
 (Combining class doesn't help -- or at least is notoriously misleading 
 as far as correct rendering of Arabic -- so I'm not trusting it to 
 provide the correct answer here, either).
 
 Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
 Bob

Madda above the vowel (the madda prolongates the vowel, not the opposite...)

P.T.

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Re: Rendering of U+0653 ARABIC MADDAH ABOVE

2011-07-20 Thread Bob Hallissy 


On 2011-07-20  at 15:10  Roozbeh Pournader wrote:

Definitely the madda above the vowel, to take care of Koranic scenarios.
For example, some annotation styles of the Koran may commonly include
the sequenceWAW, DAMMA, MADDA  to indicate an elongated [u:] sound.
There, the madda clearly goes over the damma.


Thank you -- glad to hear agreement coming from the list!

And for further clarification: when does U+06E4 ARABIC SMALL HIGH MADDA 
get used?


Bob