Re: Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-30 Thread André Szabolcs Szelp
Actually, while it's quite probable that the sign won't be used by any other
currency, I believe there would be no way to prevent that. Cf. the usage of
$ all over the world. I believe, other nations using a rupee _could_ adopt
it.
Having all that said, I don't believe though, as all recent movements of
changing currency symbols aim at establishing a unique identity. Adopting a
foreign country's sign would not fulfill this goal.

/Sz

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote:

> Thanks all for responding. Of course it was my mistake to forget that there
> are other countries using the Rupee currency. Maybe the new character will
> be named the INDIAN RUPEE SIGN to underline the fact that this sign is only
> for India.
>
>


Re: Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-29 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Thanks all for responding. Of course it was my mistake to forget that 
there are other countries using the Rupee currency. Maybe the new 
character will be named the INDIAN RUPEE SIGN to underline the fact that 
this sign is only for India.


--
Shriramana Sharma



Re: Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-28 Thread Philippe Verdy
"Alex Plantema"  wrote:
> Other countries have a currency named rupee as well. They keep using 20A8.

And this is exactly what the Indian governement wants to avoid: a
confusion about which currency 20A8 represents. They want a unique
character that will ONLY be interpreted as the INDIAN Rupee. And for
that purpose, they designed a unique glyph, which should also have a
unique encoding, forbidding any glyph variations that could represent
another non-Indian rupee.

This is important for pricing purposes, notably now with frequent
cross-border trading, and list-pricing.

It's true that in India itself, there are also several other Rupee
signs (depending on the script), but this is certinaly causing
confusion on India, because some of them are also shared by other
nearby countries, with which India has very frequent trades, or simply
in shops with cross-border visitors.

May be India will decide that the official public list-pricings (in
street shops/markets, or online) should ONLY use the new symbol, or on
payment check forms, excluding all other symbols (except possibly the
international ISO 639 symbol INR) for legal trading.

It's curious that India did not even decide to rename its currency at
the same time, to give it an even more unique identity.

(That's what the European Union decided, to avoid the confusion with
the previous multiple "basket currencies", like "ECU", adopting
instead the term "Euro" which was never used in any past currency, but
also because there still remains some "basket currencies", sometimes
named "ECU" in private currency trading platforms, and which are not
officially quoted but computed as weighted indexes between the Euro
and other EU currencies which are still not in the EMU; note that even
the ECB and the EU Commission defines such European currency index for
statistical purposes only).

Philippe.



Re: Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-28 Thread Alex Plantema
Op wo 28 juli 2010 11:22 schreef Shriramana Sharma:

> This is a somewhat late mail and please forgive me if this question has
> already been asked but there are too many hits for 20A8 Rupee when
> searching through the lists. Isn't it possible to just change the glyph
> of 20A8? To my knowledge, few people actually use 20A8 to display the
> existing representative glyph.
>
> The Rupee sign is what it is -- the sign of India's currency. The
> character 20A8 encodes that sign. If the Indian Govt decides to change
> the glyph (in fact it is only now *deciding* on a glyph) then the same
> character should be maintained with only the glyph changed, no?

Other countries have a currency named rupee as well. They keep using 20A8.

-- 
Alex.





Re: Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-28 Thread Neil Harris

On 28/07/10 10:22, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
This is a somewhat late mail and please forgive me if this question 
has already been asked but there are too many hits for 20A8 Rupee when 
searching through the lists. Isn't it possible to just change the 
glyph of 20A8? To my knowledge, few people actually use 20A8 to 
display the existing representative glyph.


The Rupee sign is what it is -- the sign of India's currency. The 
character 20A8 encodes that sign. If the Indian Govt decides to change 
the glyph (in fact it is only now *deciding* on a glyph) then the same 
character should be maintained with only the glyph changed, no?




Unfortunately, that would have undesirable side effects, since there's 
more than one currency called the "rupee", and presumably some 
significant number of documents using that symbol: changing the generic 
rupee sign to look like the Indian rupee sign would make them all 
appear, misleadingly, to refer to the Indian rupee.


There's also the issue of canonical decomposition: the "₨" sign clearly 
looks like LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R, LATIN SMALL LETTER S -- the Indian 
rupee sign does not like anything of the sort.


-- Neil




Re: Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-28 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Shriramana Sharma said on Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 02:52:46PM +0530,:

 > This is a somewhat late mail and please forgive me if this question
 > has already been asked but there are too many hits for 20A8 Rupee
 > when searching through the lists. Isn't it possible to just change
 > the glyph of 20A8? To my knowledge, few people actually use 20A8 to
 > display the existing representative glyph.

This was asked earlier (including me). And was answered. 


 > The Rupee sign is what it is -- the sign of India's currency. The

There is a serious misunderstanding there. At least six other
countries have named their currency "Rupee:.

 > character 20A8 encodes that sign. If the Indian Govt decides to

Yes and nw. That character should display as "R s" in a font without
that glyph. And a country may not want to use the Indian symbol in
place of that sign.

And AFAIK, none of Indian fonts (as available on GNU/Linux) distros
have that symbol. And None of Indian Locales as available on most
linux distros use that symbol - they use the INR or plain Rs.  (I may
be wrong here - feel free to thwack me if I am actually wrong).

 > change the glyph (in fact it is only now *deciding* on a glyph) then
 > the same character should be maintained with only the glyph changed,

It certainly not a glyph change. I would have agreed with you 3 weeks
back, but not now.


-- 
Mahesh T. Pai   ||  http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com
A closed mouth gathers no feet.



Why not just change the glyph of 20A8 RUPEE SIGN?

2010-07-28 Thread Shriramana Sharma
This is a somewhat late mail and please forgive me if this question has 
already been asked but there are too many hits for 20A8 Rupee when 
searching through the lists. Isn't it possible to just change the glyph 
of 20A8? To my knowledge, few people actually use 20A8 to display the 
existing representative glyph.


The Rupee sign is what it is -- the sign of India's currency. The 
character 20A8 encodes that sign. If the Indian Govt decides to change 
the glyph (in fact it is only now *deciding* on a glyph) then the same 
character should be maintained with only the glyph changed, no?


--
Shriramana Sharma