RE: international characters in email subject line
Raghu Kolluru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know of any email client which CAN do this and also display the from alias of the email in the desired charset? Lotus Notes does this (and has done so for some considerable time), although it's probably way too large for what you need. Brendan
international characters in email subject line
Greetings! I would like to send email in international charsets. I am able to send the body using the desired charset but not the subject line. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: international characters in email subject line
What mail program are you using? Many of them (Exchange, Outlook, etc.) do not support this. Some do not even support international text in the body. michka a new book on internationalization in VB at http://www.i18nWithVB.com/ - Original Message - From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: international characters in email subject line Greetings! I would like to send email in international charsets. I am able to send the body using the desired charset but not the subject line. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: international characters in email subject line
Well, like I said Outlook does not support this -- it will only use the default system code page (b.k.a. CP_ACP) for subject lines and any other part of the header. michka - Original Message - From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Michael (michka) Kaplan'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: RE: international characters in email subject line I wrote a java application which sends emails to a relay server (Postfix). My email client is outlook which does support international character sets. I can send/recieve non-ascii encoded body but not the subject line. Probably this is a question for SMTP newsgroup. Does anyone know public email address of such a group? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:21 PM To: Raghu Kolluru; Unicode List Subject: Re: international characters in email subject line What mail program are you using? Many of them (Exchange, Outlook, etc.) do not support this. Some do not even support international text in the body. michka a new book on internationalization in VB at http://www.i18nWithVB.com/ - Original Message - From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: international characters in email subject line Greetings! I would like to send email in international charsets. I am able to send the body using the desired charset but not the subject line. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
RE: international characters in email subject line
Michael, Do you know of any email client which CAN do this and also display the from alias of the email in the desired charset? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: Raghu Kolluru; Unicode List Subject: Re: international characters in email subject line Well, like I said Outlook does not support this -- it will only use the default system code page (b.k.a. CP_ACP) for subject lines and any other part of the header. michka - Original Message - From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Michael (michka) Kaplan'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: RE: international characters in email subject line I wrote a java application which sends emails to a relay server (Postfix). My email client is outlook which does support international character sets. I can send/recieve non-ascii encoded body but not the subject line. Probably this is a question for SMTP newsgroup. Does anyone know public email address of such a group? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:21 PM To: Raghu Kolluru; Unicode List Subject: Re: international characters in email subject line What mail program are you using? Many of them (Exchange, Outlook, etc.) do not support this. Some do not even support international text in the body. michka a new book on internationalization in VB at http://www.i18nWithVB.com/ - Original Message - From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: international characters in email subject line Greetings! I would like to send email in international charsets. I am able to send the body using the desired charset but not the subject line. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: international characters in email subject line
The email program I am using, mutt, can do this. Kind regards keld Simonsen On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:55:41PM -0800, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: What mail program are you using? Many of them (Exchange, Outlook, etc.) do not support this. Some do not even support international text in the body. michka a new book on internationalization in VB at http://www.i18nWithVB.com/ - Original Message - From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: international characters in email subject line Greetings! I would like to send email in international charsets. I am able to send the body using the desired charset but not the subject line. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: international characters in email subject line
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: From: "Raghu Kolluru" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to send email in international charsets. I am able to send the body using the desired charset but not the subject line. The question is so vague. If you need to get some help, you've gotta provide as much information as possible(what mail program under what OS for what character set). There are so many possibilities and nobody would wish to go thru all of them. What mail program are you using? Many of them (Exchange, Outlook, etc.) do not support this. Some do not even support international text in the body. Mozilla and Netscape 6 support entering subject header in whatever script for which input methods are available/installed in the OS (MS-Windows, MacOS, Unix/X11). In this respect, I18N of Mozilla/Netscape 6 is ahead of that of MS Outlook. The same is true of display of subject headers in scripts which happens not to be supported by the default codepage (to use MS terminology). BTW, one of the worst MUAs in terms of I18N (among the widely used) might be Eudora. BTW, most modern Unix text-based mail programs (e.g. Pine, Mutt) work fine in this regard as long as you run them under the terminal that supports input/ouput of the charset you want to use (for UTF-8, the newest xterm works well for a pretty large range of the BMP). Jungshik Shin
[OT]RE: international characters in email subject line
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Raghu Kolluru wrote: I wrote a java application which sends emails to a relay server (Postfix). When you write your java application, note that any 8bit character is explicitly prohibited(IETF STD 11/RFC 822). You need to encode them per IETF RFC 2047 (and RFC 2184, 2231). Some MTAs(mail transport agent) refuse to accept messages with 8bit characters in the header depending on the configuration. BTW, the header encoding is not just for working around those MTAs but also for the sake of identifying MIME charset/encoding used and allowing the possibility of multiple MIME charset/encoding mixed in the header (the latter might be mute when UTF-8 is exclusively used) My email client is outlook which does support international character sets. I can send/recieve non-ascii encoded body but not the subject line. Probably this is a question for SMTP newsgroup. Does anyone know public email address of such a group? Usenet newsgroup comp.mail.mime is the best place to ask your question. (it has the mail-submission address as well, but I don't know it) BTW, MS OE doesn't support it while Mozilla does support it. Jungshik Shin P.S. I'm afraid Unicode mailing list server strips off too many header lines of messages. In this case and some other cases(e.g. when people talke about the safe 'transport' of UTF-8 messages), 'X-Mailer:' header would be nice to have.
Re: international characters in email subject line
Ar 12 Feb 2001, ag 15:06 scrobh Michael (michka) Kaplan fn bhar "Re: international characters in ema": Well, like I said Outlook does not support this -- it will only use the default system code page (b.k.a. CP_ACP) for subject lines and any other part of the header. Ar 12 Feb 2001, ag 15:46 scrobh Jungshik Shin fn bhar "[OT]RE: international characters in": On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Raghu Kolluru wrote: My email client is outlook which does support international character sets. I can send/recieve non-ascii encoded body but not the subject line. [snip] BTW, MS OE doesn't support it while Mozilla does support it. This is simply not true! I know we all like to bash MS from time to time, but people really get far too carried away. I don't know if the above is true about Outlook (as my installation is stuffed as far as e-mail goes), but it is NOT TRUE about Outlook Express. OE encodes the subject line with the same encoding as the body and often (?) the From header as well. Whether or not this works for you would probably depend on what OS you are using and what language features are installed. It works for me with OE 5.50.4133.2400 on Windows NT 4.0 SP5. Of course, since my preferred mail program is Pegasus Mail, which can only be configured for one character set, I can't usually read such headers anyway. `~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~ S e n S a g h d h a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nuair a bhonn an fon istigh, bonn an ciall amuigh. Seanfhocal.
Re: international characters in email subject line
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Sean O Seaghdha wrote: On 12 Feb 2001, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: Well, like I said Outlook does not support this -- it will only use the default system code page (b.k.a. CP_ACP) for subject lines and any other part of the header. On 12 Feb 2001, Jungshik Shin wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Raghu Kolluru wrote: My email client is outlook which does support international character sets. I can send/recieve non-ascii encoded body but not the subject line. [snip] BTW, MS OE doesn't support it while Mozilla does support it. This is simply not true! I know we all like to bash MS from time to time, but people really get far too carried away. I don't know if the above is true about Outlook (as my installation is stuffed as far as e-mail goes), but it is NOT TRUE about Outlook Express. OE encodes the subject line with the same encoding as the body and often (?) the From header as well. I stand corrected(thank you for correcting me). It's possible to enter whatever script supported by IMEs installed on your system in both Subject(and other headers) and body of the message. However, what I wrote about the display of the headers in scripts NOT supported by the default system code page still stands. For instance, MS OE cannot display Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian headers under English/French/Spanish/Italian/German MS-Windows in _the message *list* display pane_, which Mozilla can. MS OE can display those headers for individual messages.), though. Not having checked out MS OE for a while, I was a bit confused what is possible and what is not. Anyway, my comment and michka's have *nothing* to do with MS bashing. I was just giving what I believed to be facts, one of which was not true as it turned out. Please, note that Michael (michka) Kaplan, I guess is, one of the last persons on this list to say something not true just to make MS look bad. Of course, by this I'm not implying by any means that there are some people who would do that on this list. Jungshik Shin
Re: international characters in email subject line
Ar 12 Feb 2001, ag 20:40 scrobh Jungshik Shin fn bhar "Re: international characters in ema": I stand corrected(thank you for correcting me). It's possible to enter whatever script supported by IMEs installed on your system in both Subject(and other headers) and body of the message. However, what I wrote about the display of the headers in scripts NOT supported by the default system code page still stands. For instance, MS OE cannot display Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian headers under English/French/Spanish/Italian/German MS-Windows in _the message *list* display pane_, which Mozilla can. MS OE can display those headers for individual messages.), though. Thank you for your clarification. MS OE doesn't show any chars outside the system code page in the message list, only in the preview pane and message windows. `~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~ S e n S a g h d h a [EMAIL PROTECTED] N bhonn tran buan. Seanfhocal.
Re: international characters in email subject line
From: "Jungshik Shin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, note that Michael (michka) Kaplan, I guess is, one of the last persons on this list to say something not true just to make MS look bad. There are a few program managers in Office and Visual Studio who might disagree with this statement -- they seem to think I live to bash Microsoft. They are mistaken, sadly. But no company is above having their boneheaded decisions called out, something not everyone there understands. Its nice that you do, though. :-) Of course, by this I'm not implying by any means that there are some people who would do that on this list. Its ok, we all know that such people exist; heck, we probably all know who they are, too. As long as we don't name names, no can claim to be offended unless they have felon's guilt or something. :-) MichKa Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc. http://www.trigeminal.com/
Re: international characters in email subject line
Ar 12 Feb 2001, ag 20:28 scrobh Alain LaBont fn bhar "Re: international characters in ema": 19:53 01-02-12 -0800, Sean O Seaghdha a crit: Of course, since my preferred mail program is Pegasus Mail, which can only be configured for one character set, I can't usually read such headers anyway. [Alain] Some years ago, I was also using Pegasus mail and I was not satisfied with this. I then communicated with the author directly (he lives in Sourthern New Zealand); we engaged in a series of exchanges and I made him accept to carry on the character set in use without conversion [in my case the Windows character set]... You have to use a parameter for this, this is the compromise he made me accept because he was really impressed by the SMTP 7-bit-only-headers dogma -- which does not impress me since it works any way with 8-bit-clean systems [predominant nowadays in the world since a serious security breach, I was told, was corrected with an 8-bit-clean-enabling SMTP patch]. I think there are a couple of different issues here. As far as storage on disk goes, I think this changed some time back so that now you have to use the switch to get the old behaviour (converting messages to one code page on disk) which was retained for compatibility with the DOS version. You can send 8-bit mail with Pegasus by changing a setting in Options, but when you switch it on you get a stern warning about it being "formally illegal" and a "Comments" header is added to each message. I have suggested from time to time over the last few years for Pegasus to be made Unicode aware, but I get the impression it's considered "too hard" or "too complicated" although I don't think I've actually got a reply on this from the author, David Harris. Since there will not be another 16-bit Windows version and the Macintosh version has not been updated in a long time, this leaves only the DOS Win32 versions. Hopefully, this will mean that Unicode will become more of a viable option for him in the future. At the moment, though, he seems quite busy enough adding HTML mail composition to version 4. `~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~ S e n S a g h d h a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Calumnies are answered best with silence.Ben Johnson.
