Re: [UC] Things you have to believe to be a Republican today

[Brian Siano]

West Philly Dems wrote:
Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:
Interpolated; Things you have to believe to be a Democrat today.
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's 
 daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him 
 and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

When Republican Presidents support dictators, it's a symptom of their 
corruption and lack of concern for human rights. But, when Democrat 
Presidents support dictators (as when Jimmy Carter helped Somoza and the 
Shah or Iran), it's because they _had_ to, because the Republicans would 
have called them out for being soft on Communism.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade 
 with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

Trade with Cuba is politically imprudent, because the Democrats need 
support in Florida, which they never get anwyay. Trade with Vietnam is a 
vital part of healing the wounds of Vietnam, and trading with China is 
acceptable as well.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but 
 multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind 
 without regulation.

We support a woman's right to choose, but we can't be asked to support 
it too strongly, because a great many people of profound religious faith 
object to it. Andit may be imprudent to support it too strongly now, 
what with so many Republicans in Congress, and the prospect of failure.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary 
Clinton.

Democrats have respect for the profound religious faiths of others.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in 
speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

Democrats want to make it clear that, whatever they think of the war, 
they truly Support the Troops, and say so at every opportunity.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
Democrats understand that a condom-distribution plan for high schools 
may not be politically possible, given the power of the Republicans in 
Congress. But even so, Democrats are also concerned that giving out 
condoms to minors might send the wrong message.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at 
 heart.

Democrats believe this as well. HMOs and insurance companies were the 
primary authors of the Clinton Administration's proposed health plan.

<>Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but 
 creationism should be taught in schools.
Democrats believe that strong policy initiatives should be considered, 
when all the facts are in, but that we shouldn't get our hopes up 
because of the Republicans in Congress.

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A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable 
 offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which 
 thousands die is solid defense policy.

A President lying to enlist support for a war-- even those where 
thousands die-- may be an impeachable offense, but it would be imprudent 
to call for his impeachment. It would be far too partisan, and it 
couldn't succeed, what with all the Republicans in Congress.

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but 
 George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

The public must regard George Bush's cocaine conviction as an indelible 
stain upon his character, but Hillary's cattle trades are not worthy of 
concern.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a  
conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our 
 prayers for your recovery.

Being a drug addict is a disease, but we still feel that mandatory 
sentencing laws and more funding for the drug war will help send a message.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but 
what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.
What John Kerry did in the 1960s is a testament to his strong moral 
character: but, while what he did in the early 1970s is also a mark of 
his strong moral character, we won't discuss that because we don't want 
to alienate voters.

When Republicans vote for wars, for corporate welfare, for censorship, 
and greater defense and law enforcement spending, it's evidence that 
they're money suck-ups and fascists. But when Democrats do this, it's 
because they have to do these things to preserve their political 
viability. This way, they can support other, more worthy liberal 
initiatives, like preserving jobs and the environment..

When Republicans sign legislation that makes it easier for corporations 
to export jobs and lower domestic environmental standards, it's evil. 
But when Democrats do it, it's  because they have to do these things to 
preserve their political viability. This way, they can support other, 
more worthy liberal initiatives, like gay rights and abortion.

When Republicans sign legislation that makes it harder for gays to live 
as Americans, or for wo

Re: [UC] church or mosque SE cor 43rd & Walnut Sts

[Craigsolve]

In a message dated 8/5/2004 10:04:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, FRByers 
writes:
The 
  former theater at 43rd & Walnut was called the 
Commodore.

What was the layout? Any balcony or mezzanine? Rest rooms main floor, 
upstairs, or down stairs? I never went in, feeling that I should stay for the 
whole service not just to scope out the building.
 
Thanks for posting the name, especially after my "old timer" comment. Ya 
see Bender, there are still a lot of classy knowledgeable young women in UC! 
Work that into your next Culture poem.
 
Craig

Re: [UC] church Christ Memorial Steeple

[Daniel Aharon]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both are possibilities.
 
The steeple by its design takes tremendous punishment from the elements: 
 
1) Continual freeze thaw cycles attack both mortar joints and the  stones
2) Additional motion results from winds-very high winds recently
3) The steeple was previously truncated by a lightening strike
 
With regularity, we Christians fall short of exercising the quality of  
stewardship that the Lord has charged us with.
 
Craig
No, no, don't be so hard on yourself; you're doing just fine!

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Re: [UC] church or mosque SE cor 43rd & Walnut Sts

[DaveAxler]

In a message dated 8/5/04 10:24:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Incidentally, the Byrd Theater stood in the middle of the the south side of Baltimore Ave. between 47th & 48th St.  It was torn down decades ago - another great place for us to enjoy weekend matinees.  Ah - the good old days!



Would that be the location of the current parking lot?

Re: [UC] The Fall of Christ Memorial Church

[L a s e r B e a m ®]

Anthony West wrote:
What a grand church that was! I have always felt the tug of its beauty. 
And I admire that parish too -- the way it has supported a classical 
education for inner-city children of modest means, and energetically 
engaged in social service despite the burden of its small numbers and 
aging plant. That represents the finest part of the Episcopalian 
tradition to me. It broke my heart to see that noble heap of stones.
 
Which leads us back to history, a perennial subject of debate in this 
neighborhood. I can only pray that it moves some of us to meditation as 
well as to dispute, when genuine calamity strikes.
 
University City folk often talk as if History were identical with 
"preservation." But 99% of History is the history of ruins like Christ 
Memorial Church; only a tiny fragment deals with monuments in good 
condition. History, in fact, is *about* falling down, because life is 
about falling down.
 
History does not exist for its own sake. It is the byproduct of life. 
The grand churches of Spruce Hill are monuments of a brief time, maybe 
50 years, when Victorian grands bourgeois dominated the local landscape. 
That community moved on and is no longer here to sustain these edifices. 
They are lovely but they make no social, economic or engineering sense 
whatsoever. Hopefully a few will be preserved by the chief 
modern consequence of that otherwise vanished community -- the 
University of Pennsylvania, which it enticed to the neighborhood. But 
even the tide of Penntrification can only rise so far. Sooner or later, 
most of them must fall.
 
The mansions of the grands bourgeois, the Drexels and the like, were 
grand, but they were not enduring. When their original purpose was 
vitiated, they turned into howling slums. Though the community wept to 
see them go, Penn did it a service by tearing them down and replacing 
them with towers full of lucrative Ivy League yearlings.
 
Spruce Hill's modest "streetcar suburb" of middle-management housing 
turned out in the end to be the architectural history that endured 
around here. It did so not because it was truer to the past, but because 
it was more easily adaptable to the future. Those buildings could 
accommodate the swirling changes of urban demographics and economics, 
and they were built for practicality rather than grandeur in the first 
place. Today they are increasing in value. That increase rests on two 
legs. Historicity is one and adaptability is another.
 
That's how I stand -- on the same two legs. It is the subtle, stationary 
dance of "aging gracefully." And all dances come to an end. Sooner or 
later, either my historicity will crumble beyond repair or my 
adaptability will fail. Then ... I'll be history. And others will build 
atop me.
 
-- Tony West

beautiful, tony.

.
laserbeam®
[aka ray]




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[UC] Mill Creek (was Re: church )

[Charles H. Buchholtz]

   From:  =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_a_s_e_r_B_e_a_m_=AE?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date:  Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:23:11 -0400
   
   I've been wondering: Mill Creek?
   
   anybody?

A co-worker of mine lives out there.  His 3 month old SUV was totalled
by the flood.  The water was up to the tops of the windows on the SUV;
I saw the photos.

You can imagine the damage to his house.

Did anyone else notice the "instant hurricane" last night?  One minute
it's a nice evening, and the next minute there's rain, thunder,
lightning, and the trees are bent over from the wind.  Then it stopped
almost as quickly as it started.

Perhaps this would be good reminder for us all to review our
insurance.

--- Chip


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RE: [UC] church

[Dubin, Elisabeth]

William H. Magill wrote:
> So today, you have "what's left."  Historic designation or Historic 
> Preservation is utterly meaningless in this context. The simple fact 
> of the matter is -- nobody gives a damn what happens to these 
> structures, except for a few people who want to tell others what they 
> can and cannot do with their properties.  When these few are gone, 
> they're gone, and they won't be an issue anymore.


William, can you please tell me what exactly you mean by this?  This is
the most depressing thing I've read on the list, like, ever.  Nobody
gives a damn about these structures except for a few people?  And only
"the anointed"?  Tell me, what would you like your neighborhood to look
like?  Only dollar stores and Eckerds?  You are saying you have
absolutely no sense of the sublime looking at these buildings?  No sense
of what came before you or what will come after?  When they tear down
30th Street Station, will you remember what it felt like to walk in that
space?

Personally, when I look at the beautiful churches in our neighborhood,
like the tiled dome of St. Francis DeSales, I feel bigger than I had.
These buildings WILL NEVER BE BUILT AGAIN - the economy we live in will
not allow it.  Labor is too expensive.  Craft is almost dead.  If we do
not protect what we have, that's it.  Maybe you want to live in a bleak
landscape, but you will find it's more than "a few people who want to
tell others what they can and cannot do with their properties" who
don't.

If I've somehow misunderstood your post, forgive me. 

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Re: [UC] church

[Dan Widyono]

I was responding to the annointed bs etc.

Always at your service and ready for dialog.
Dan W.

> Bruce gave us the website. I looked at it. It offered no substantive help  
> whatsoever. Or, if it did, show me what I missed and I'll retract my  statement.

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Re: [UC] church Christ Memorial Steeple

[Craigsolve]

In a message dated 8/4/2004 9:40:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> I'm going to go with the guess that the 
  heavy rains we've been having > did weaken the structure and the one 
  yesterday was just the last straw.I've been wondering: Mill 
  Creek?anybody?

Both are possibilities.
 
The steeple by its design takes tremendous punishment from the elements: 

 
1) Continual freeze thaw cycles attack both mortar joints and the 
stones
2) Additional motion results from winds-very high winds recently
3) The steeple was previously truncated by a lightening strike
 
With regularity, we Christians fall short of exercising the quality of 
stewardship that the Lord has charged us with.
 
Craig
 

Re: [UC] church or mosque SE cor 43rd & Walnut Sts

[Craigsolve]

In a message dated 8/5/2004 1:23:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
tonight 
  I noticed they're excavating inside the (mosque?) at 43rd and walnut. mini 
  bulldozers coming out of a hole in the wall and dumping dirt into a big 
  dumpster. I think that place used to be a (movie theatre?) and then it 
  became a (christian? church?) of some sort (well, there used to be a 
  'jesus loves you' marquee on the 43rd st side). anyway, maybe they're 
  finally excavating so that the floor ends up 
level?

Yes, it was a movie theatre at one time. For what its worth, I'll try to 
find out the name from some old-timers.
 
It was an active Christian House of worship with mostly African-American 
parishioners in the 80's. They were evangelical yet friendly. On Sunday mornings 
during nice weather, they would worship with the doors open. They would invite 
my daughter and I to join them, when we watched from the sidewalk.
 
At what point the Christians departed and Islam entered, I do not know. It 
appears to be an active house of worship that also opens its doors during nice 
weather. As an Islamic house of worship, it appears to be open during the week 
for prayers.
 
I imagine its disconcerting to be facing east and kneeling up hill 
while praying. With a sense of black humor I hope that is the issue they are 
addressing, rather than building a fallout shelter in preparation for the Nuking 
of the Republican Convention.
 
Craig