Fwd: [UC] pentagon plane?/airport
OK, now this one I know is an "urban myth" and this one makes memad- that no plane struck the Pentagon. How do I know? A very good friend of mine was in the hospital on 9/11 and wason the phone with her brother, whoat the time was workingin the Pentagon. She was talking to him when the plane hit and heard the "commotion" (lack of a better word right now). When I talked to her she was barely able to speak she was so completely devastated and terrified. It was a couple of days before she spoke with him again and found that he was ok, with only some minor scratches, etc. That was a long couple of days. As to the whole Philly airport getting there and back... well I don't go too far myself, but I thinkKaren usually takes the train to the airport and unless weighed down too much, takes the train back. Lady Liberty is $8, but plan on it taking anywhere from 45 minutes to a couple of hours depending on how many other people are being picked up/dropped off. Wendy ---BeginMessage--- I assume this is in reference to the flash animation which has been going around saying a plane didn't crash into the pentagon. This has been throughally (pretend it's spelled properly in your head) debunked on snopes: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm What it has to do with west philly is beyond me. So I will tie it in this way: How does everybody get to the airport from w. philly? Typically I call a cab and pay the $20, but I'm thinking that might not be the cheapest and most effective way. I took the train to 30th once, but it wasn't appreciably cheaper for the more round-about way of getting home. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:30 AM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] pentagon plane? Perhaps it launched it's missile from a mile or two away, and then kept on it's merry way, right out of the territory. You may ask if so, then why didn't anybody see the plane fly by a few miles from the area. They did. And never questioned it's presence, the way you or I would perhaps not notice or not question if a plane or two flew overhead right now. Interesting. Just another example of the constant lies, lies, lies... You can't believe or trust anything. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory type to know that politics and power are usually not based on truths. M. M. Harvey, MPP, MPH You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. ---End Message---
[UC] Saturday 10/16/2004 - multi-stall Flea Market
Posted on behalf of Ruth McGettigan: The annual U.C. Flea Mall (maul) will be held in the St. Francis De Sales Auditorium on Saturday 10/16/2004. The doors open at 9 AM. Now that RETRO is HOT, this might be the source of some decorating BARGAINS. Why shop IKEA when the original golds lamps might be found at SFDS? This event is a must - Do event on many levels: 1) Tables are available - for fun and profit. 2) Donations are accepted by De Sales and the Literacy Center. (The Nonprofits are happy to receive your items.) 3) There are always great bargains, including a variety of New, Old, Estate, Craft and Flea items, + Plants, Linens and Books. 4) The food is wonderful! Bill Mellette makes Chili and Chili-Dogs. Bakers donate homemade Cakes and Cookies. 5) It is a neighborhood happening. The convergence of families and singles is amazing. 6. Admission is free, but come prepared to shop. One year someone got Wedding China, another Copper Pots. So please put this event in your calender. If you'd like to reserve a table, call: Ruth McGettigan-215-735-1393 The cost is only $25.00 / table. First come, first served. This always sells out. Ruth is especially hoping to increase the numbers of Artists and Crafts People to the mix of folks who buy tables for the day. If you prefer to clean your house and donate items to the Literacy Center (which offers home work and HSE Test assistance to motivated Adults), or to St. Francis De Sales (donations help develop sports programs), please drop items off before 5 PM on Friday afternoon, 10/15/2004. Since the Auditorium is used by so many organizations, earlier deliveries must be coordinated through Mrs. McGettigan. All the best! Liz Elizabeth Campion http://ilead.realtor.com/display/?id=13380525; 215-790-5653 Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] The Geometry of 45th and Baltimore : Double parking
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Cass wrote: All you wacky conspiracy-loving types should check out the following video which questions whether it actually was a Boeing 757 that slammed into the Pentagon on 9/11. Pretty interesting although it doesn't address the question of what happened to the plane if it DID NOT strike the Pentagon. Why is this a surprise? Everyone knows that there were no Quakers or Mennonites killed at the Pentagon, in New York City or in Pennsylvania. They all took September 11th off from work and did not travel. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Conspiracy Theory Involving Pentagon and 9/11
I think you are missing the point -- there is no dispute that SOMETHING struck the Pentagon -- the damage is self-evident. The controversy (if you can even call it that)is whether it was a 757 as reported, or something else -- a smaller commuter-type plane for example, or a missile. Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fwd: [UC] pentagon plane?/airport OK, now this one I know is an "urban myth" and this one makes memad- that no plane struck the Pentagon. How do I know? A very good friend of mine was in the hospital on 9/11 and wason the phone with her brother, whoat the time was workingin the Pentagon. She was talking to him when the plane hit and heard the "commotion" (lack of a better word right now). When I talked to her she was barely able to speak she was so completely devastated and terrified. It was a couple of days before she spoke with him again and found that he was ok, with only some minor scratches, etc. That was a long couple of days. As to the whole Philly airport getting there and back... well I don't go too far myself, but I thinkKaren usually takes the train to the airport and unless weighed down too much, takes the train back. Lady Liberty is $8, but plan on it taking anywhere from 45 minutes to a couple of hours depending on how many other people are being picked up/dropped off. Wendy
Re: [UC] SEPTA
Well... Its Govt policies that promote road building. Hell some places do not have ANY train service to get you from A-B. Time to send that email to your favorate President Senator, and Congressman-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 16, 2004 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] SEPTA In a message dated 9/16/2004 9:17:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, The blame is 100% squarely on the shoulders of the car owners. You want a transportation system that relies on atmosphere destroying, anachronistic gasoline powered vehicles? You got it. It is YOUR fault. Yes YOU. Every one of you University City ninnies who make lame excuses for having to maintain personal vehicles that clog our streets, kill children and pollute my air. I hope your car rolls over and you choke on the fumes. Yours in Christ,Ross Benderhttp://rossbender.org[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do people think about this upcoming SEPTA crisis? I haven't seen muchabout it in the news. SEPTA has proposed cutting all weekend service _aswell as_ raising fares, unless they get bailed out by the state. I don'tknow if it's poor management on SEPTA's part, or simply the difficulty ofrunning a public transit system in the black, but I am shocked and worriedthat this might actually come to pass. (A senior person at the companysaid that this time "we aren't bluffing").Any thoughts?There's a hearing on Oct. 19 at 1200 Market St. I'm planning on going.SarahYou are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .
[UC] RE: Kyle Cassidy: The Quest for Manhood
Jonathan, there's one thing I've learned in all my years: not everything can be solved with violence. Sometimes threats of violence are sufficient. We had a big ass SUV for a long time. We traded it for an axe. (More cute photos of Mr. Guns sleeping on sports t-shirts and NASCAR magazines tomorrow.) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:54 PM To: 'Kyle Cassidy'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Kyle Cassidy: The Quest for Manhood Kyle: I have to say that the renaming of Mr. Hugs to Mr. Guns has significantly changed my impression of you. Before the change, I saw you as the kind of guy who loved his cats, couldn't get along with his rough and tough neighbors, and was willing to leave a party early to run home to help his girlfriend clean the house. Now, I associate you with all those manly, well-hung types who below to the NRA. You just need to get a big-ass SUV with rims (the no-car thing just won't do) and to give up that crazy art stuff. Then, I bet, your thuggish, criminal-minded neighbors will give you the respect that you will not only then deserve but which you will DEMAND with violence, if necessary. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] SEPTA
Hmmm. I heard SEPTA was Screwing Everyone in Philadelphia Time Again. Philadelphia has a weird relationship with its public transportation provider which is a semi-governmental agency that is accountable to nobody. The board of directors is nominated by the counties, the state house majority and minoritiy leaders, the state senate majority and minority leaders and finally the governor and so even in the most favorable of times (like now with Rendell in Hbrg) the city has a minority say in the operation of SEPTA even though in excess of 80% of the ridership is in the city. Here's the formula: 2 - Philadelphia 8 - surrounding counties 5 - State. Philadelphia does get veto power, however. They haven't used it much. Perhaps they ought to more, but generally service is cut back which hurts us in the city more than our suburban neighbors because the city relies on it more. SEPTA is funded by a combination of federal, state and local subsidies as well as whatever farebox revenue they generate. The state revenue really ought to be part of the gasoline tax but there is a constitutional amendment preventing this. Amazing, that. So the state has cobbled together all sorts of other revenue streams to direct at public transportation (not just SEPTA, there are many organizations all over PA) which has its own formula. SEPTA gets the biggest piece of this pie, with Pittsburg second and several regional transit authorities getting equal shares further down the scale. This share has shrunk over the years because some of the sources of funding didn't work out. An example was a surcharge on electricity that shrank after de-regulation. The federal share is the next biggest chunk, I think. That has remained unchanged for years even though the cost of providing transportation has risen. The current leadership in DC are not interested in funding mass transit. That is why Amtrak is about to go belly up, even with its ridership at its all-time high. Next comes the share that our fair city puts in. Rendell threatened to cut the city share in '97 when SEPTA was raising the fares unless they restored one of the three suspended trolley routes that were discontinued in 1992. The restoration of the rt 15 was the result of this. The city also owns the Broad Street Subway, the trains on the BSS, trackless trolley routes 75 and 66 (in the northeast) and, I believe, the Frankford El side of the Market-Frankford line. The city also is the owner of some percentage of the regional rail cars, though those trains are pretty old now and may have been completely depreciated. Then the counties have to put up some dollars. Combined, their total may equal more than the city, but I don't think so. They aren't really well set up for efficent mass transportation anyway. There's plenty of squabling amongst the counties, too as they compete for some of the transportation pie. Finally there is farebox revenue. This used to be a wild card because as SEPTA raised fares, fewer people would ride. Now SEPTA has cut away almost all of their discresionary ridership and so what is left are the carless. Generally these folks are poor and they don't vote regularly so their wants and needs are constantly washed aside. It does make guessing SEPTAs revenue easier, however, because most of the folks who are left will stick with it simply because they have no good alternatives. Nobody really holds management at SEPTA responsible for much of anything and so things just kind of keep on keeping on. To their credit, they have managed to squeeze operating dollars out fairly well but have screwed up pretty big on several capital investment projects as well as planning things like a rail line to Reading. The labor side isn't blameless, either with some well publicized stories such as the worker who rigged up a device in the Powelton train yard that would wake him if anyone approached so that he could get some Zzzs on the job. Public transportation isn't really that sexy. Nobody really wants to talk about it and nobody really wants to think about it. You aren't going to get the bright young management types eager to join up some kind of mess like that because they can get paid more and appreciated more at any private firm in the world. The city, however, relies on public transit. Imagine if SEPTA really did shut down! Everyone in the city would buy a car, and there isn't that much room for them all. All the arguments on this list about who parks where would seem like a plesant dream if there were four times the number of cars out on the road! John Street was quoted in the inquirer as saying I don't think Philadelphia gets a good return on its investment when refering to the subsidy that it gives SEPTA. That was one of the most impressive things I've heard from him since the election. I'm starting to think that Philadelphia needs to secede from SEPTA and run the service the way it sees fit. We would still have the largest transportation
Re: [UC] Kyle Cassidy: The Quest for Manhood
Now, I associate you with all those manly, well-hung types who below to the NRA. While I want it to be very clear that I have NO idea, nor do I want to know, how hung Kyle may be, I think the problem with the NRA is that it is composed primarily of men who are NOT well-hung so much so that huge SUVs don't adequately compensate and thus they need aid of a gun, preferably semi-automatic, to protect any challenges to their hungness. Jonathan Cass wrote: Kyle: I have to say that the renaming of Mr. Hugs to Mr. Guns has significantly changed my impression of you. Before the change, I saw you as the kind of guy who loved his cats, couldn't get along with his rough and tough neighbors, and was willing to leave a party early to run home to help his girlfriend clean the house. Now, I associate you with all those manly, well-hung types who below to the NRA. You just need to get a big-ass SUV with rims (the no-car thing just won't do) and to give up that crazy art stuff. Then, I bet, your thuggish, criminal-minded neighbors will give you the respect that you will not only then deserve but which you will DEMAND with violence, if necessary. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] SEPTA it was a big part of our decision to get rid of our car. that and the fact that mr. guns is usually too drunk to drive. We're car free and mostly loving it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] SEPTA In a message dated 9/16/2004 9:17:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, The blame is 100% squarely on the shoulders of the car owners. You want a transportation system that relies on atmosphere destroying, anachronistic gasoline powered vehicles? You got it. It is YOUR fault. Yes YOU. Every one of you University City ninnies who make lame excuses for having to maintain personal vehicles that clog our streets, kill children and pollute my air. I hope your car rolls over and you choke on the fumes. Yours in Christ, Ross Bender http://rossbender.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do people think about this upcoming SEPTA crisis? I haven't seen much about it in the news. SEPTA has proposed cutting all weekend service _as well as_ raising fares, unless they get bailed out by the state. I don't know if it's poor management on SEPTA's part, or simply the difficulty of running a public transit system in the black, but I am shocked and worried that this might actually come to pass. (A senior person at the company said that this time we aren't bluffing). Any thoughts? There's a hearing on Oct. 19 at 1200 Market St. I'm planning on going. Sarah You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] SEPTA Background
In a message dated 9/16/2004 1:09:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: there had to be a re-examination ofthe City's representation on the SEPTA board and the formulas used forlocal funding for SEPTA.Approximately 80% of SEPTA rides are taken on what is called the "CityTransit Division" the part of the system that operates with the City ofPhiladelphia. Philadelphia contributes, $53.5 million dollars, 80% of thelocal funding. The City of Philadelphia has two representatives out of 15on SEPTA's governing body, under 14%. The suburban control of the SEPTAboard can be seen by how suburban routes are subsidized at much higherlevels than the City Division. This is the total obfuscation of previously made backroom dealsbetween the City and its suburban partners,during the conversion from the Philadelphia Transportation Company to SEPTA. Where is SEPTA headquartered? At 1234 Market Street, a very expensive piece of center city real estate. Why does SEPTA need a 700,000 sq ft building? Why does the City BRT under value the building? Why are there multiple below market sweetheart lessees in the building, which are affiliated with the City or friends of City government? What do you think the City gave up to control the real estate? Board seats. It would be far more economical to headquarter SEPTA outside the City on much less expensive ground in a large low rise building that would be much more economical to operate, maintain, etc. As a non-Philadelphia based corporation many of its employees would have left the City to escape the City's repressive tax package. Look at all the ancillary benefits the 'SEPTA Package' provides the City. This convoluted real estate deal is another reason why the rest of the State hears the sound of their hard earned money being sucked down the drain into the City's cesspool, with no benefit to the rest of the State. Anybody form SEPTA involved in the current mayor's corruption scandal? No, because in today's political climate good politicians, good public servants wont stand for it. Maybe it is time for the State to tell the City to go it alone. You want it, you buy it. Ask the mayor where he expects the dedicated tax funding to come from? One possibility is to tell the Governor that his close friends will not run casino gambling in Philadelphia. The City will do it. Ciao, Craig
Re: [UC] Conspiracy Theory Involving Pentagon and 9/11
On 16 Sep, 2004, at 14:49, Jonathan Cass wrote: I think you are missing the point -- there is no dispute that SOMETHING struck the Pentagon -- the damage is self-evident. The controversy (if you can even call it that) is whether it was a 757 as reported, or something else -- a smaller commuter-type plane for example, or a missile. What the folks who claim it wasn't a 7xx plane omit is that your normal portable missile (air-to-air, air-to-ground, ground-to-ground, ground-to-air) could do nowhere near the kind of damage seen. And a small commuter-type plane would likely bounce off that type of building... they simply do not have sufficient mass, no matter what their velocity, to penetrate as far as the debunkers agree occurred. That kind of damage is strictly in the range of something like a cruise missile... not an object which people would be likely to miss or mistake for a plane. After all they've been seen regularly on CNN, are slow-moving, and fly at about 200 feet above the average terrain. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] pentagon plane?
On 16 Sep, 2004, at 09:51, Ben Rhoades wrote: At 09:40 AM 9/16/2004, Kyle Cassidy wrote: How does everybody get to the airport from w. philly? Typically I call a cab and pay the $20, but I'm thinking that might not be the cheapest and most effective way. I took the train to 30th once, but it wasn't appreciably cheaper for the more round-about way of getting home. I take Lady Liberty which costs $8 from University City. They pick you up at your place but give yourself extra time as you may not be the last pick up. As always, the tradeoff is dollars vs time. A cab ride is without question the fastest and most efficient method of getting to or from the airport in anything resembling a timely fashion. This is always true going OR returning. It is door-to-door service that leaves when you are ready. However, it is not the cheapest. As long as time is not a concern, any limousine service (like Lady Liberty) is cheaper than a cab ride. The problem is that you have no idea if your trip will take twenty minutes or an hour and twenty minutes. It's a pure crap-shoot, unless you are going to the same hotel as the airline crew. Also, you frequently have to wait an extended period of time for the limo to fill-up at the airport on the return trip. What you save in dollars, you expend in time. Conning a relative, friend, or neighbor to drive you down and drop you off using their car is the cheapest. And, as long as they pay for the parking, getting them to pick you up is also cheapest. (If you pay for the parking, it may still be the cheapest, but that advantage completely disappears after the first 30 minutes.) Septa (the train) can be a fun way to go, but unless you are returning to 30th Street or Suburban Station, it is only one leg of the trip. You could take the train to the plane to the University City Station, walk two blocks and get the 42 in front of CHOP/HUP. Or, if you want the 21 or a trolly, go to 30th street and walk the 3 or 1 blocks (the Trolly is only 1 block, the 21 three.) In the end, it's like taking the red-eye ... Yes, it's a cheaper flight, but you get what you pay for. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Just in time for breakfast
On 16 Sep, 2004, at 10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not a joke. I think Cerealality is as real as it comes. No conspiracy there. And may I be the first to say on this venue, that I may be one of the first in line at the place. I'd like to see a few in Center City, where I work. I am an avid semi-healthy cereal fan - oatmeal, cream of wheat, raisin bran, cheerios... Hell, I'm a regular nuts and bolts - uh, I mean nuts and oats type of guy... Personally, I'd rather see a return of the Japanese Noodle bar. We had one in Center City -- Dosanko -- about 18th and Chestnut maybe 15 years ago... it folded, and we've never had its like again, even though they continue to flourish in other cities (Dosanko can still be found in NYC, that I know of.) T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] SEPTA hearing
In a message dated 9/16/2004 2:35:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The public should not have to attenda hearing just to protest Maybe Bender has secretlybeen blowing his smoke in my face, but when has attending a public hearing in this City made any difference in what the politicians plan to do?
Re: [UC] SEPTA
In a message dated 9/16/2004 2:05:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope ... you choke on the fumes. It is again time for you to fire-up your bong and choke. If Christ truly had mercy on us, he wouldsend you to the wilderness early this year.
Re: [UC] Conspiracy Theory Involving Pentagon and 9/11 BS
In a message dated 9/16/2004 3:03:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you are missing the point -- there is no dispute that SOMETHING struck the Pentagon -- the damage is self-evident. The controversy (if you can even call it that)is whether it was a 757 as reported, or something else -- a smaller commuter-type plane for example, or a missile. I know this list has a strict no flame policy, but your employer must not run a drug free workplace. Nobody has Cruise Missile technology remotely close to the capabilities that our military has, with regard to range, payload, and accuracy. From where and how did a missile launch come for which no honest members of the defense intelligence community could/would have not blown the whistle? What sinister organization has the capability to coordinate a missile strike with the hijacking of the two identifiable planes recorded striking the NYC World Trade Center Towers? The current fleets of world missiles are designed to carry a high explosive, chemical, or biological payload. Just what technology is currently available that allows a chemical or an explosive to mimic a petroleum-based accelerant. The damage to the Pentagon would have been nowhere near as extensive if there had not been a petroleum-based accelerant present. You did not notice that the initial water delivery systems were ineffective against the petroleum-fueled fire? The video was repeatedly shown on CNN and FNC. It is time to end the tread, before it further serves to embarrass the greater UCD community. No wonder I cannot get Jannie to take you guys seriously. Forgive me for being emotional; I do not believe a better more honest government has ever graced our earth!
RE: [UC] Attn: Kryptonite and other U-lock users
yippie! i'm gettin me a new hybrid mountian bike on my way home! later! -Original Message- From: Andrew Schwalm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Attn: Kryptonite and other U-lock users I haven't seen a posting on this yet, so I thought I'd warn all of you who depend on these locks to keep your bikes safe. U-locks by Kryptonite and other companies which use the barrel-shaped key are vulnerable to picking with--believe it or not--a plastic Bic pen. I tried this myself, successfully, on my own lock and was able to spring it in less than 30 seconds. These video clips show others doing the same thing: http://thirdrate.com/misc/krypto.mov http://biginjapan.com/extranet/assets/ben/krypto_ev_disc_web.mov http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=66128page=1pp=30 I called Kryptonite (see www.kryptonitelock.com) and they said they'd only heard about the vulnerability on Monday and that things are going crazy here. No doubt. But they said they were looking at solutions and would call me to let me know. Andrew You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
