[UC-Announce] Looking for reliable child care :(
Happy newyear Gang:) sorry i've been away for a while, but2 2007 finished in as a quite crazy rollercoaster. Long story short, my wife and i are expecting our first child in late may (my birthday is the 30th, what a great gift) appreciating that it truly takes a village to raise a child we are in need of any good reliable childcare sources you may be aware of, both centers or indepedant homes that provide their own services. most centers we've seen have an 18 month waiting list for infants, so if you don't get on the list and then try having a child, you might be in for a shock or extended maternity leave which is really not an option. my wife has a full time gig with penn (megalomaniac institution - but it pays the bills) and i am a full time college student with two years to go. we're probably just looking at coverage for tuesday / thursday as those are my main school days. any leads are greatly appreciated, but please respond offlist to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks! -chris (42nd ludlow) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Our block lucked out this week. Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye. I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it. -- Tony West They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week. There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected. Well, better luck in two weeks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Hmmm. While I can't answer the specific sanitation pickup question, I'm surprised that you would besmirch an entire class of people on this listserve. Many of my City Worker colleagues work unpaid and uncomped. extra hours to get the job done on behalf of the public good. Some of them even donate their time on community trash pickups around the city. Just as we shouldn't judge all dog owners and walkers by the bad actions of the few who use my tiny yard as a puppy latrine, please consider a more balanced critique of our public employees (oh, you meant THOSE City Workers? Never mind!). Here are a few thoughts you can try to internalize as part of your re-orientation towards our public workforce: 1. Some of my best friends are City Workers 2. Michael Nutter is a City Worker 3. Osama bid Laden is NOT a City Worker. 4. When you smile at a City Worker, the city smiles with you. Not actually offended, Andy - Original Message - From: Cindy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/25/2008 08:45 AM EST To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update So in essence, city sanitation workers would never really have a 4- day week..even if they get a holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday? CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest! -cm `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes were done on Saturday. How else could it be done? -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Our block lucked out this week. Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4- day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye. I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it. -- Tony West They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week. There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected. Well, better luck in two weeks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!
[UC] trash
Hi, Just wanted to report back that my trash was picked up today in response to my complaint call to the Streets Department this morning. Martha Ledger You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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[UC] Wandering tabby cat
Just went out on my porch and found a female tabby - medium size - desperately wanting attention. Very vocal, sweet, and affectionate. I've never seen it before, and it is cold out, so I've brought her in. I have four cats and am fostering two kittens and can't keep this girl in my basement for long. One of my male cats is already spraying. And it won't be long before the other one starts. :( I'm on 43rd, between Osage and Pine. Anyone in the vicinity have an outdoor (or recently escaped) tabby ??No collar, and I can't feel a microchip. If I can't find its owner very soon is there someone who can foster it for a bit? I haven't had time to grab the camera, so will get a photo out later. :( Linda 222-1580 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Talking trash (Was: Re: Illegal trash update)
Dave, if you think people don't deserve time and a half for working on Saturday, that's fine, but don't think paying it is some sort of cave in to labor.? You ought to be surprised if people don't get extra pay for working on the weekend.? Isn't that the way it ought to be? And Tony, I don't know why you have to struggle against the obvious.? All your permutations are complicated, confusing and just as costly.? The simple, easy to remember and consistent solution is to get Friday's trash on Saturday.? Lots of people have trouble remembering to hold the trash after a holiday.? Imagine the fun of trying to remember if you're on the part of the route that is picked up on the correct day, contrary to the rule or on the part that gets picked up a day late as per rule. Or if you're supposed to call in for a special pick up when they forget your can (just to make you paranoid that you're going to be ticketed 4 months later otherwise), which they'll do to correct their error and waste lots of labor, gas and ice caps. Paul -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 7:21 pm Subject: [UC] Talking trash (Was: Re: Illegal trash update) Hmm, that's one good guess ... minus the assumption there's something wrong about getting paid overtime for working overtime. I'm not the slightest bit bothered by the notion that a person who heaves garbage for a living might want to call it quits after 8 hr, and ask for a bit more if you want them to push their route. Nobody's getting rich behind those garbage trucks, seriously. But practice makes perfect and they probably can chuck more trash/hr than we could, if they quit doing it and we all had to fill in for them. So why shouldn't they get tipped on heavy-duty days?? ? I've never lived in a Friday-pickup zone, so I have no clue which way they do it. Maybe they work Saturdays. Maybe they work a couple of extra hours on each of several days following a holiday. Maybe they omit certain side services on 4-day weeks. Maybe overtime is optional or maybe it isn't. Maybe they have a complicated, ad-hoc strategy that employs all the above methods, which works better some weeks than others.? ? -- Tony West? ? Dave Axler wrote:? Perhaps -- and this is a guess, nothing more -- they get overtime pay for the Saturday work? Given this city's history of giving the unions just about anything they ask for, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.? ? ? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the? list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see? http://www.purple.com/list.html.? More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
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Philip Forest introduces the censored Penn list in July 2007: This is not an elementary school playground (of course, this nation DOES only have an average of an 8th grade education, so maybe that's a stretch) it's supposed to have some semblance of maturity as I am led to believe that we all are adults. Maybe adults physically only, as I've seen mostly playground arguments here in my last 1.5 years of being a list subscriber. Please grow up. You know who you are. If that's not a viable option, please suck a tailpipe, hang yourself, borrow a pistol from an NRA buddy, do something to rid the world of your evil f**king presence. * Aw damn Philip! I was just about to borrow a gun from you! Well, now that you're going to stay with the censored Penn list, I'm gonna stay alive! Say hi to my gun nut buddy, Kyle. Bye Bye. Live long and prosper, Glenny In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes: the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn! This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where you live. Melani - Original Message - From: Philip Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: [UC] unsubscribe unsubscribe You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Talking trash (Was: Re: Illegal trash update)
Hmm, that's one good guess ... minus the assumption there's something wrong about getting paid overtime for working overtime. I'm not the slightest bit bothered by the notion that a person who heaves garbage for a living might want to call it quits after 8 hr, and ask for a bit more if you want them to push their route. Nobody's getting rich behind those garbage trucks, seriously. But practice makes perfect and they probably can chuck more trash/hr than we could, if they quit doing it and we all had to fill in for them. So why shouldn't they get tipped on heavy-duty days? I've never lived in a Friday-pickup zone, so I have no clue which way they do it. Maybe they work Saturdays. Maybe they work a couple of extra hours on each of several days following a holiday. Maybe they omit certain side services on 4-day weeks. Maybe overtime is optional or maybe it isn't. Maybe they have a complicated, ad-hoc strategy that employs all the above methods, which works better some weeks than others. -- Tony West Dave Axler wrote: Perhaps -- and this is a guess, nothing more -- they get overtime pay for the Saturday work? Given this city's history of giving the unions just about anything they ask for, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
While I would agree you Glenn for the most part, why are there people on City Payroll who work for the School District of Philadelphia who do nothing? I have a longtime friend at the BRT who tells me what they do, (or don¹t do), and how much they make. Meanwhile our budget has been slashed pitilessly. There might be others who are on the dole¹ who make it bad for those who really earn their way. On 1/25/08 3:18 PM, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cindy Miller mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; univcity mailto:univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Hmmm. While I can't answer the specific sanitation pickup question, I'm surprised that you would besmirch an entire class of people on this listserve. Many of my City Worker colleagues work unpaid and uncomped. extra hours to get the job done on behalf of the public good. Some of them even donate their time on community trash pickups around the city. Andy, I agree. It¹s not helpful but hurtful to stereotype city workers unfairly. I started the post about illegal trash, which is a smelly and emotional issue here. Unfortunately, there is a serious problem with the working relationship between the city Streets Department and UCD. I approached Mayor Nutter¹s complaint department approximately 3 weeks ago. I expect follow-up shortly, because I was told it would take 3 weeks. I¹ll report to the list about my success or failure. Maybe you can help with any idea? The city is suing me for 3 trash tickets for $962. It is very important to me that I do not simply get this frivolous suit against me thrown out. I¹ve considered approaching state or federal authorities about the transfer of city enforcement power. I¹d rather get a city investigation into this inappropriate relationship, and a court injunction against the city to halt additional frivolous suits against citizens over trash tickets. I'd love a broad injunction against city agencies prohibiting any continued engagement with any inappropriate relationships with the UCD or other Penn driven entities. I¹m beginning to look into the appropriate legal possibilities. Phila. Municipal court is a strange thing and maybe I should simply go to the next court, but I'm starting to realize that legal action is becoming the hope for the US Constitution and my continued residence in Philadelphia. I don¹t want to do my best to make the city or any employees get exposed as Penns' hounds. Yet, I'm very angry about all of this. Are there any other internal mechanisms in the city to encourage a needed investigation into the Streets Department enforcement division that you can suggest? It's not good for city agencies to intimidate citizens in the interest of corporate gentrification goals. There is lots of evidence that undue stress is bad for public and personal health. I appreciate any thoughts. Sincerely, Glenn Moyer Just as we shouldn't judge all dog owners and walkers by the bad actions of the few who use my tiny yard as a puppy latrine, please consider a more balanced critique of our public employees (oh, you meant THOSE City Workers? Never mind!). Here are a few thoughts you can try to internalize as part of your re-orientation towards our public workforce: 1. Some of my best friends are City Workers 2. Michael Nutter is a City Worker 3. Osama bid Laden is NOT a City Worker. 4. When you smile at a City Worker, the city smiles with you. Not actually offended, Andy - Original Message - From: Cindy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/25/2008 08:45 AM EST To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update So in essence, city sanitation workers would never really have a 4-day week..even if they get a holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday? CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest! -cm `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes were done on Saturday. How else could it be done? -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Our block lucked out this week. Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye.
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Perhaps -- and this is a guess, nothing more -- they get overtime pay for the Saturday work? Given this city's history of giving the unions just about anything they ask for, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. -Original Message- From: Cindy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 8:45 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update So in essence, city sanitation workers would never really have a 4-day week..even if they get a holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday? CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest! -cm `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes were done on Saturday. How else could it be done? -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Our block lucked out this week. Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye. I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it. -- Tony West They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week. There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected. Well, better luck in two weeks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! = More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
So in essence, city sanitation workers would never really have a 4- day week..even if they get a holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday? CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest! -cm `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes were done on Saturday. How else could it be done? -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Our block lucked out this week. Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4- day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye. I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it. -- Tony West They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week. There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected. Well, better luck in two weeks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes were done on Saturday.? How else could it be done? -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Our block lucked out this week.? ? Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye.? ? I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it.? ? -- Tony West? ? They took my recycling today but left the trash. ? Paul? ? ? -Original Message-? From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED]? To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com? Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm? Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update? ? I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week.? ? There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected.? ? Well, better luck in two weeks.? ? ? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the? list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see? http://www.purple.com/list.html.? More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Re: [UC] Whither Sam's Place?
Color me confused by your email. But hasn't Sam's fit that description for the last 12 or so years? Sande - Original Message - From: Wilma de Sotomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listservmailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: [UC] Whither Sam's Place? Even though I have complained about customers blocking my driveway for years, but I hate to see Sam's Place become the not well-stocked, Brigadoon business it is becoming. Has anyone else noticed how seldom it seems to be open and has nothing when it is? Wilma You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.htmlhttp://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Talking trash (Was: Re: Illegal trash update)
Paul: Actually, I'm not opposed to folks being paid time and a half when they work more than 40 hours in the week, if they are paid on an hourly basis. I don't know if that's the case for Streets Dept. employees, at any level. If they are salaried, regardless of what the salary is, that's a different story. Those of us who are salaried professionals find it the norm to put in extra hours without direct, immediate compensation in either cash or time off (though year-end bonuses sometimes make up for some of the pain). Regarding the relationship between this city and its unions, you might want to check out the article in the Inky earlier this week [http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/14175261.html] which reported on a survey recently done by the Pew Charitable Trusts. Essentially, the survey concluded that Philly is at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of the percentage that its employees chip in for both pension and health benefits. The cities in the survey, other than Philly, were Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and San Francisco. The fact that New York, Washington, and Los Angeles were not included does suggest to me that a broader survey would be more accurate. But the results of this limited view are still frightening. Among other things... We pay more in health-care costs per retiree than any of the other ten big cities that were surveyed. We pay more in health-care costs per city employee ($9,841) than any city surveyed other than Detroit, roughly triple the amount paid per employee in private industry in the Mid-Atlantic weekend. In fact, members of three out of four of our city-employee unions pay nothing toward their health care premiums; only the white-collar union members in DC 47 pay any health-care premiums. As for pensions, only Baltimore asks its workers to contribute less to its pension plan. Philly city employees only put in about 1.85% of their annual salary, compared to 9% in SF and 7.5% in Boston. How does this connect with the original issue of overtime pay for sanitation workers? Well, the union worker who gets overtime pay for Saturdays (or double-time pay on holidays, perhaps?) is thus not only getting the extra money on payday, but also the extra matching money for the city's portion of the pension plan...not to mention a higher DROP payout, if he or she is eligible for that program when retirement time rolls around. It's to the individual union member's financial benefit whenever the union negotiates work rules that ensure that the members will get as much overtime as possible while carrying out the normal demands of the job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 9:26 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Talking trash (Was: Re: Illegal trash update) Dave, if you think people don't deserve time and a half for working on Saturday, that's fine, but don't think paying it is some sort of cave in to labor.? You ought to be surprised if people don't get extra pay for working on the weekend.? Isn't that the way it ought to be? And Tony, I don't know why you have to struggle against the obvious.? All your permutations are complicated, confusing and just as costly.? The simple, easy to remember and consistent solution is to get Friday's trash on Saturday.? Lots of people have trouble remembering to hold the trash after a holiday.? Imagine the fun of trying to remember if you're on the part of the route that is picked up on the correct day, contrary to the rule or on the part that gets picked up a day late as per rule. Or if you're supposed to call in for a special pick up when they forget your can (just to make you paranoid that you're going to be ticketed 4 months later otherwise), which they'll do to correct their error and waste lots of labor, gas and ice caps. Paul -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 7:21 pm Subject: [UC] Talking trash (Was: Re: Illegal trash update) Hmm, that's one good guess ... minus the assumption there's something wrong about getting paid overtime for working overtime. I'm not the slightest bit bothered by the notion that a person who heaves garbage for a living might want to call it quits after 8 hr, and ask for a bit more if you want them to push their route. Nobody's getting rich behind those garbage trucks, seriously. But practice makes perfect and they probably can chuck more trash/hr than we could, if they quit doing it and we all had to fill in for them. So why shouldn't they get tipped on heavy-duty days?? ? I've never lived in a Friday-pickup zone, so I have no clue which way they do it. Maybe they work Saturdays. Maybe they work a couple of extra hours on each of several days following a holiday. Maybe they omit certain side services on
Re: [UC] trash
Gee! I should have taken your advice. Thanks for reporting that it worked. On 1/25/08 4:34 PM, Martha Ledger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just wanted to report back that my trash was picked up today in response to my complaint call to the Streets Department this morning. Martha Ledger You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Whither Sam's Place?
Even though I have complained about customers blocking my driveway for years, but I hate to see Sam's Place become the not well-stocked, Brigadoon business it is becoming. Has anyone else noticed how seldom it seems to be open and has nothing when it is? Wilma You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I also feel like I'm between the keystone ticket cop and a lot of evasive gibberish. My last ticket had a stamp with nonsense that you must put out trash at least a day early. Before that, the tickets simply indicated that I'm guilty of some unknown violation from 4-5 months earlier. It sounds funny but I don't feel particularly clean or safe anymore! - Original Message - From: Martha Ledger To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Hi, My trash wasn't picked up yesterday, either. There was a lot of garbage still in cans and also strewn on the street after the normal pick-up time, and I thought maybe the truck was going to make a second pass. I finally took the can off the street after 11 last night. I called Streets this morning. The woman I spoke to seemed inclined to arrange for a pick-up until I mentioned that I'd get the can back out on the street. When she heard that I had moved it, she said, in that case, you'll have to wait until next week. I explained that I had taken it off the street overnight to avoid getting a ticket. Didn't matter, she said. I asked to speak to her supervisor who, in a conference call with the woman with inexplicable rules and a man with the authority to send trucks out, arranged for a pick-up. The phone number for Streets is 215-686-5560. It's an option if they missed your house, too. Martha Ledger 500 block of 46th Street On Thursday, January 24, 2008, at 10:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week. There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected. Well, better luck in two weeks. On 1/24/08 4:00 PM, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The corporate trash put out illegally on Baltimore Ave yesterday appears to have been removed by the city earlier today. Today is the trash day on the holiday schedule. The corporate hotel developers really showed the people of Woodland Terrace. After the residents read the UC Review yesterday morning and saw that their concerns about the massive amounts of additional trash at the new hotel were unfounded and unfair, they could walk to the corner of their block and look across Baltimore Ave at the illegal corporate trash right in their faces. Man, everyone knows that the fat cat corporate real estate developers can promise anything they please even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they could care less. The contempt and irony are hilarious. Ha, ha, ha. Oh man, we get valet parking too! Ha, ha, ha… You're way too kind, Tommy. We need one of Tony’s lectures about winners and losers in a representative democracy. The people of Woodland Terrace are considered losers like me, and the people of West Philly! Ha, ha, ha. Cleaner and safer, Glenn image.tiff More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cindy Miller ; univcity Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Hmmm. While I can't answer the specific sanitation pickup question, I'm surprised that you would besmirch an entire class of people on this listserve. Many of my City Worker colleagues work unpaid and uncomped. extra hours to get the job done on behalf of the public good. Some of them even donate their time on community trash pickups around the city. Andy, I agree. It’s not helpful but hurtful to stereotype city workers unfairly. I started the post about illegal trash, which is a smelly and emotional issue here. Unfortunately, there is a serious problem with the working relationship between the city Streets Department and UCD. I approached Mayor Nutter’s complaint department approximately 3 weeks ago. I expect follow-up shortly, because I was told it would take 3 weeks. I’ll report to the list about my success or failure. Maybe you can help with any idea? The city is suing me for 3 trash tickets for $962. It is very important to me that I do not simply get this frivolous suit against me thrown out. I’ve considered approaching state or federal authorities about the transfer of city enforcement power. I’d rather get a city investigation into this inappropriate relationship, and a court injunction against the city to halt additional frivolous suits against citizens over trash tickets. I'd love a broad injunction against city agencies prohibiting any continued engagement with any inappropriate relationships with the UCD or other Penn driven entities. I’m beginning to look into the appropriate legal possibilities. Phila. Municipal court is a strange thing and maybe I should simply go to the next court, but I'm starting to realize that legal action is becoming the hope for the US Constitution and my continued residence in Philadelphia. I don’t want to do my best to make the city or any employees get exposed as Penns' hounds. Yet, I'm very angry about all of this. Are there any other internal mechanisms in the city to encourage a needed investigation into the Streets Department enforcement division that you can suggest? It's not good for city agencies to intimidate citizens in the interest of corporate gentrification goals. There is lots of evidence that undue stress is bad for public and personal health. I appreciate any thoughts. Sincerely, Glenn Moyer Just as we shouldn't judge all dog owners and walkers by the bad actions of the few who use my tiny yard as a puppy latrine, please consider a more balanced critique of our public employees (oh, you meant THOSE City Workers? Never mind!). Here are a few thoughts you can try to internalize as part of your re-orientation towards our public workforce: 1. Some of my best friends are City Workers 2. Michael Nutter is a City Worker 3. Osama bid Laden is NOT a City Worker. 4. When you smile at a City Worker, the city smiles with you. Not actually offended, Andy -- - Original Message - From: Cindy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/25/2008 08:45 AM EST To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update So in essence, city sanitation workers would never really have a 4-day week..even if they get a holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday? CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest! -cm `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes were done on Saturday. How else could it be done? -Original Message- From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update Our block lucked out this week. Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind. There must be more to it than meets the eye. I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it. -- Tony West They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent:
[UC] 40th St meeting about overnight Hilton
There are just a couple of new things to report and follow-up about the upscale Hilton based on the 8AM presentation. No sense repeating the blah blah. You may remember the DP report which highlighted that the Campus Inn (not the Extended-Stay Hospital Inn) would be a less expensive option for Penn parents. It may have seemed odd at the time to cover the hospital hotel that way. Someone asked about the Hilton rates this morning. Lussenhop responded that rates are different for OVERNIGHT stays or longer. But why would they have an overnight rate for something dedicated as an extended stay hotel? Clearly, you can dismiss any promises based on the Campus Hilton being extended stay. All hotels give extended stay options. All that extended stay stuff, preventing parking and trash concerns, is called a red herring. It's a type of fallacious argument strategy often used to distract attention from real issues. In my opinion, for the first year or two, it's gonna be like any Hilton in this new style, the boutique hotel. Secondly, I asked directly for an explanation about why they secretly attempted to get the mansion de-listed from the historic registry. I know a lot of people are angry about that! The architect responded with that stuff about no one knowing it was a historic property. Hahaha! But he did not answer the question. Why did they try to secretly have the property de-listed if the big concern was always restoration? There was an interesting mention, at another time, that the 11 stories had to be in that slab shape because the part Penn mothballed was standing there. In my opinion, this refusal to explain this de-listing attempt suggests the mansion was simply a nuisance. I believe they tried to secretly go for demolition, before they tried the current thing. They won't have that block when they try to level other parts of the neighborhood, once this precedent is set. (I think the architect was mad at me because I pointed at his drawing and said that I didn't believe it. I asked how we could trust the process with deceptive drawings? ) Regardless of their feelings about me, it appears that they will continue to refuse any information about their de-listing attempt. Did anyone else from the list hear anything new? Glenn
Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Hi, My trash wasn't picked up yesterday, either. There was a lot of garbage still in cans and also strewn on the street after the normal pick-up time, and I thought maybe the truck was going to make a second pass. I finally took the can off the street after 11 last night. I called Streets this morning. The woman I spoke to seemed inclined to arrange for a pick-up until I mentioned that I'd get the can back out on the street. When she heard that I had moved it, she said, in that case, you'll have to wait until next week. I explained that I had taken it off the street overnight to avoid getting a ticket. Didn't matter, she said. I asked to speak to her supervisor who, in a conference call with the woman with inexplicable rules and a man with the authority to send trucks out, arranged for a pick-up. The phone number for Streets is 215-686-5560. It's an option if they missed your house, too. Martha Ledger 500 block of 46th Street On Thursday, January 24, 2008, at 10:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They took my recycling today but left the trash. Paul -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if it was a Blue Week. There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine were not collected. Well, better luck in two weeks. On 1/24/08 4:00 PM, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The corporate trash put out illegally on Baltimore Ave yesterday appears to have been removed by the city earlier today. Today is the trash day on the holiday schedule. The corporate hotel developers really showed the people of Woodland Terrace. After the residents read the UC Review yesterday morning and saw that their concerns about the massive amounts of additional trash at the new hotel were unfounded and unfair, they could walk to the corner of their block and look across Baltimore Ave at the illegal corporate trash right in their faces. Man, everyone knows that the fat cat corporate real estate developers can promise anything they please even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they could care less. The contempt and irony are hilarious. Ha, ha, ha. Oh man, we get valet parking too! Ha, ha, ha… You're way too kind, Tommy. We need one of Tony’s lectures about winners and losers in a representative democracy. The people of Woodland Terrace are considered losers like me, and the people of West Philly! Ha, ha, ha. Cleaner and safer, Glenn image.tiff More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!
