Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible

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Glenn wrote:


Once a person goes through this, as I have, he or she will understand 
this technique used in an iron triangle.




the solution seems obvious:

penn's ucd can go to the farmers' market at clark park next 
saturday and buy up all the bottles of organic compost tea, 
and then spray it wherever they've used chemicals in clark park.


no need for the community, focp, OR the city's parks dept.


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[Glenn]

From the UCD Quest, Summer 2010

"UCD and the Clark Park Partnership, a consortium that OVERSEES park 
maintenance, events, POLICIES and capital projects..."



Wilma,

While Mr. West continually points to the Parks Dept., it seems that UCD 
claims that it is in charge of Clark Park in this publication.  
(However, we've seen before that UCD tells different stories to 
different publications.)


Wilma, Tony West is using the circular deception designed and rehearsed 
to frustrate and stone wall anyone asking questions of the secret 
partnership.  You and others have asked the FOCP leaders for 
embarrassing secret information.  It is abundantly clear that they have 
no intention of answering anyone.  Everyone saw their grasp for red 
herrings when Glenn Moyer's vile insane lies were the center of all 
their initial replies about RoundUp.


Tony West knows that the Parks Dept. will also protect the secrecy by 
answering any questions about RoundUp by playing stupid and pointing to 
"the community and its partners."  UCD will also answer that all 
decisions are made by the community and the Parks Dept.


Once a person goes through this, as I have, he or she will understand 
this technique used in an iron triangle.  It's a corollary to catch 22.  
Each group gives you an answer that only tells you that you will never 
get an honest answer.  No one seems to know when, where, and by whom 
decisions are made whenever someone is asking questions!  But when they 
are marketing, then they are all sophisticated well informed partners 
bringing salvation to all that they touch-haha


Wilma writes:

"I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community,
questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by
concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or
rancor."

Yes indeed!  If they are representatives of this community, as they claim, is 
it not their primary duty to honestly and politely answer their constituents 
questions?  But for years, we've seen that their primary mission is protecting 
the power and secrecy of their partnership with UCD/Penn while they get angry 
at all questions because they're hard working volunteers.  For years, I asked 
for the time, date, and location of their secret meetings, and that was why I 
was personally attacked and the meetings always remained secret and exclusive.

Tony West and Brian Siano have been the FOCP leaders for ten years.  The 
members of FOCP should be ashamed at the behavior of these UCD operatives who 
treat so many people so badly with so much deception.  This is what happens 
when people are lured by the glitter of fool's gold and turn a blind eye to 
behavior that they would otherwise condemn!

Thanks for speaking up for truth,
Glenn





On 6/18/2011 9:56 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

Actually, I am getting a bit muddled following this discussion thread.  If
the Friends of Clark Park don't really have any say or input as to what
happens in Clark Park whether its plantings or chemicals used in the park,
for what reason do they exist?

The Fairmount Park System is one of the best in the country and has worked
hard to maintained our vast system of city parks.  If the City and Park
Commission are making the decisions for Clark Park and not FOCP along with
Penn and the UCD, why is an organization such as FOCP deemed necessary?  I
am not trying to be funny, but I really don't get it.

It has been my experience that the various and sundry "Friends of..."
groups in UC have been a huge part of the gentrification drive in the
neighborhood and tend to set the agenda for various public and private
projects to transform use of these spaces as they see fit and for whom
they deem fit in the name of the community, which they do not actually
represent.

I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community,
questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by
concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or
rancor.

Either the FOCP knew about the use of this chemical and how the park would
be revamped and were in on the decisions with the other entities or they
didn't.  If they didn't what purpose do they serve? There is FAR too much
protesting of innocence from their end.  It's quite confusing and I
usually follow things without getting muddled.

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On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote:


a foolish error...  when you babble about...


[UC] Tony West's 'criticism' burning is visible!


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Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible

[Anthony West]

You rock, Lew.

-- Tony West



On 6/18/2011 11:51 PM, Lewis Mellman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmxcmpR1GQA&feature=related



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Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible

[Anthony West]

Wilma,

You are opposed, then, to the Friends of Barkan Park and the Friends of 
Malcolm X Park and Cedar Park Neighbors and Saunders Park Neighbors. All 
of these groups are bad gentrifier groups, in your experience, you say. 
What is your particular experience with each one of these groups, which 
leads you to accuse each one of them of being bad gentrifiers? Was 
trying to make their parks better a bad thing in itself, because 
gentrifiers might like a better park?


"Friends of X Park" support groups are widely dispersed around the city, 
mostly in bluecollar neighborhoods. Do you also condemn Friends of 
Carroll Park, at 58th & Girard, of being bad gentrifiers for lobbying to 
get that exercise track installed 7 years or so ago? Are you asserting 
Carroll Park is at risk of gentrification?


"Friends of X Park" groups are a basic part of the city's 
park-management strategy, because the city's public park-management 
bureaucracy has been grossly underfunded for decades (compared to other 
cities), so there are not enough public employees anywhere to handle 
community relations. We park volunteers have stepped into the breach. We 
do it everywhere, because we love our neighborhoods and we love our city.


Please be specific about why you are opposed to each park improvement in 
each park, and explain why not a single one of these community groups 
"represents the community," which you say is always against every 
improvement in every park, everywhere in Philadelphia. Do you have any 
evidence for this claim? It seems awfully far-reaching, to say the 
least, Wilma. Give us at least one concrete example, somewhere.


I'll stand with my park-loving buddies across West Philadelphia and 
across the city. I know my man Greg Cojulun at Malcolm X has my back and 
I have his. Honestly -- I don't get you park-haters at all. I mean, what 
have you got against parks, that you want them all to be crappy and 
never get any funding?


-- Tony West



On 6/18/2011 9:56 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

The Fairmount Park System is one of the best in the country and has worked
hard to maintained our vast system of city parks.  If the City and Park
Commission are making the decisions for Clark Park and not FOCP along with
Penn and the UCD, why is an organization such as FOCP deemed necessary?  I
am not trying to be funny, but I really don't get it.

It has been my experience that the various and sundry "Friends of..."
groups in UC have been a huge part of the gentrification drive in the
neighborhood and tend to set the agenda for various public and private
projects to transform use of these spaces as they see fit and for whom
they deem fit in the name of the community, which they do not actually
represent.



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Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmxcmpR1GQA&feature=related

On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote:

 the sod is not a monoculture. It contains a mix of different  
species, which may react differently in specific locations.


Hanes is the professional in charge, and he doesn't think Roundup is  
causing this phenomenon. For us laymen, this makes sense as well.  
Roundup was applied evenly across the park, so it shouldn't cause  
patchy damage.


Hanes emphasized that newly-aid sod is still fragile. It needs to be  
babied during its first year. Park-lovers will be working to spread  
that word. Ray (that's "University Citoyen's" real name, for  
newcomers), if you want to organize an organic-compost movement for  
the park, that would be wonderful! Please coordinate with Friends of  
Clark Park and we'll explore if this is workable.


Dandelions or clover were not included in the new sod which was laid  
down, so it's unlikely you'd expect to see them this soon. Don't  
worry, all you weed-lovers, they'll enter soon enough by themselves;  
you don't need to spend half a mill to plant them.


You repeat a foolish error, Ray, when you babble about "Penn's UCD".  
Hanes was paid entirely by Friends of Clark Park, which has run a  
multi-year campaign to come up with the $75,000 needed just for his  
blueprint. The work was approved and contracted by the City of  
Philadelphia. While UCD is one of maybe 10 helpful partners on the  
Clark Park Committee, it played a minor role at best in the Park A  
Revitalization Campaign; your employer Penn's role was, if anything,  
smaller.


In the meantime, Roundup foes should quit focusing on Clark Park,  
where its use has ceased. They should turn instead to Woodland  
Building Supply at 47th & Woodland, which sells the same stuff to  
some of your neighbors, day in and day out. So if you believe Clark  
Park poses a "Roundup hazard" from a one-time use during  
construction, your neighbors pose an even-greater hazard, no? You  
should ferret them all out and organize a campaign against them.


Looking forward to that tea, though -- seriously.

-- Tony West



On 6/18/2011 11:36 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
yes! I noticed this recently and wondered about that strange  
yellowing, because that sod had been recently laid and everything  
was green, and then suddenly the weird swaths of perfectly uniform  
yellow appeared, that didn't follow the pattern of the sod pieces  
-- and this dead yellow appeared after plenty of rain had just  
fallen. and what's so odd is that when you look at it from above,  
you see perfectly green patches of grass right next to patches of  
completely dead yellow grass -- it's not even a gradual shift...


also, no dandelions or clover, from what I can see from the bridge...

so roundup is causing that?

seems consistent with the practice of applying roundup at the  
beginning of new landscaping operations; the stouffer triangle on  
woodland walk is also relatively recent (just last year?)



- - - - -


if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is inconsistent  
with penn's stated commitment to sustainability:


http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/


perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is  
aware of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark  
park -- I haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this  
discussion, I first heard about it on this old house:


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html



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[Wilma de Soto]

Actually, I am getting a bit muddled following this discussion thread.  If
the Friends of Clark Park don't really have any say or input as to what
happens in Clark Park whether its plantings or chemicals used in the park,
for what reason do they exist?

The Fairmount Park System is one of the best in the country and has worked
hard to maintained our vast system of city parks.  If the City and Park
Commission are making the decisions for Clark Park and not FOCP along with
Penn and the UCD, why is an organization such as FOCP deemed necessary?  I
am not trying to be funny, but I really don't get it.

It has been my experience that the various and sundry "Friends of..."
groups in UC have been a huge part of the gentrification drive in the
neighborhood and tend to set the agenda for various public and private
projects to transform use of these spaces as they see fit and for whom
they deem fit in the name of the community, which they do not actually
represent.  

I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community,
questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by
concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or
rancor.

Either the FOCP knew about the use of this chemical and how the park would
be revamped and were in on the decisions with the other entities or they
didn't.  If they didn't what purpose do they serve? There is FAR too much
protesting of innocence from their end.  It's quite confusing and I
usually follow things without getting muddled.

On 6/18/11 9:29 PM, "Richard Conrad"  wrote:

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>On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote:
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>> a foolish error...  when you babble about...
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On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote:

> a foolish error...  when you babble about...


[UC] Tony West's 'criticism' burning is visible!


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[Anthony West]

Yep. So is it good news to you that your employer isn't actually doing 
this -- or is it bad news? I can't tell. Which do you prefer, Ray: the 
lie or the truth?


--Tony West



UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is inconsistent 
with penn's stated commitment to sustainability:


 http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/





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UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is inconsistent with 
penn's stated commitment to sustainability:


 http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/






On 6/10/11, Frank L. Chance  wrote:


Fourth, the Friends of
Clark Park have never applied any chemicals to the park--they have
been applied by contractors hired by the owners of the Park (the City
of Philadelphia) or by the University City District through their
agreements with the City of Philadelphia.




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[Anthony West]

Brian Hanes, the landscape architect who designed this project, who 
lives in Cedar Park, said this was caused by a patch of dry weather. 
Grass naturally goes dormant -- and yellows -- during droughts. And 
indeed, after last night's heavy rain, much of that yellowing had 
re-greened today.


But the sod is not a monoculture. It contains a mix of different 
species, which may react differently in specific locations.


Hanes is the professional in charge, and he doesn't think Roundup is 
causing this phenomenon. For us laymen, this makes sense as well. 
Roundup was applied evenly across the park, so it shouldn't cause patchy 
damage.


Hanes emphasized that newly-aid sod is still fragile. It needs to be 
babied during its first year. Park-lovers will be working to spread that 
word. Ray (that's "University Citoyen's" real name, for newcomers), if 
you want to organize an organic-compost movement for the park, that 
would be wonderful! Please coordinate with Friends of Clark Park and 
we'll explore if this is workable.


Dandelions or clover were not included in the new sod which was laid 
down, so it's unlikely you'd expect to see them this soon. Don't worry, 
all you weed-lovers, they'll enter soon enough by themselves; you don't 
need to spend half a mill to plant them.


You repeat a foolish error, Ray, when you babble about "Penn's UCD". 
Hanes was paid entirely by Friends of Clark Park, which has run a 
multi-year campaign to come up with the $75,000 needed just for his 
blueprint. The work was approved and contracted by the City of 
Philadelphia. While UCD is one of maybe 10 helpful partners on the Clark 
Park Committee, it played a minor role at best in the Park A 
Revitalization Campaign; your employer Penn's role was, if anything, 
smaller.


In the meantime, Roundup foes should quit focusing on Clark Park, where 
its use has ceased. They should turn instead to Woodland Building Supply 
at 47th & Woodland, which sells the same stuff to some of your 
neighbors, day in and day out. So if you believe Clark Park poses a 
"Roundup hazard" from a one-time use during construction, your neighbors 
pose an even-greater hazard, no? You should ferret them all out and 
organize a campaign against them.


Looking forward to that tea, though -- seriously.

-- Tony West



On 6/18/2011 11:36 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
yes! I noticed this recently and wondered about that strange 
yellowing, because that sod had been recently laid and everything was 
green, and then suddenly the weird swaths of perfectly uniform yellow 
appeared, that didn't follow the pattern of the sod pieces -- and this 
dead yellow appeared after plenty of rain had just fallen. and what's 
so odd is that when you look at it from above, you see perfectly green 
patches of grass right next to patches of completely dead yellow grass 
-- it's not even a gradual shift...


also, no dandelions or clover, from what I can see from the bridge...

so roundup is causing that?

seems consistent with the practice of applying roundup at the 
beginning of new landscaping operations; the stouffer triangle on 
woodland walk is also relatively recent (just last year?)



- - - - -


if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is inconsistent 
with penn's stated commitment to sustainability:


 http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/


perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is aware 
of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark park -- I 
haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this discussion, I first 
heard about it on this old house:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html



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[UC] Drug war and community court

[Glenn]

"Today, in places like New York City the police are arresting record 
breaking numbers of young people for simple possession of marijuana. New 
York City has arrested 350,000 
 
people for marijuana possession since 2002. About 70% percent of those 
arrested were under 30 
 
years old.


A woman named Alika, a 26-year-old single mother in Brooklyn made news 
 
this week after being fired from her job with the New York City Housing 
Authority as a result of being arrested for possessing a small bag of 
marijuana in her purse. Criminal records are instantly accessible on the 
internet and the collateral consequences of drug arrests -- like job 
loss and deportation -- are routine and severe."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-levine/antidrug-war-movement-gai_b_879207.html


I'm glad but surprised that the new international report on the evil 
"war on drugs" has gotten some slight coverage in the right wing 
corporate media.  Carter's op-ed in the NYT helped. (link below)


Community court lie:  Community court or drug court was an idea that 
came from health care professionals.  I was an early supporter of this 
sound idea and wrote an early proposal to the Philadelphia criminal 
justice system to offer comprehensive addiction treatment to parolees.  
This specialized court was intended, by health care workers, to be a 
method to divert non-violent chemically addicted individuals to 
treatment rather than incarceration.


That sound idea was not what we got with Phila. Community Court!  This 
court instead became a plea bargaining method so that many more poor 
people can be rammed through the injustice system and tagged for future 
discrimination for bottles of beer and a nickle bag of weed.  This court 
has no value to society and causes great harm.  It is not a court, 
because anyone who goes to community court is guilty with no alternative 
but a plea deal.


This is another lie, part of the war on drugs, that compounds the 
problems of society.  The daily occurrences, like a single mother from 
Brooklyn losing her job because of a small bag of marijuana, is 
heartbreaking and incredibly common.  Meanwhile, people with serious 
substance abuse problems cannot access good treatment or any treatment 
at all!


If evil exists, it is the US international war on drugs.  And community 
court helped open the slippery slope that caused us to lose our right to 
due process while harming millions of poor people here, in New York, and 
around the country!


Glenn
PS: Stop believing corporate lies and try compassion toward our brothers 
and sisters!





http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/opinion/17carter.html?_r=1&hp

[UC] Suburban warning plaques

[Glenn]

Citizens,

As Rick recently corrected Mr. West, the harmful effects of RoundUp can 
occur at very minute levels.  And in my past review of the literature, I 
recall that the breakdown of the active poison can take more like a 
week, despite the corporate marketing about drying time.


When trouble occurs with corporate products, the first denial centers on 
victims using the product differently from recommended guidelines.


During the drenching of Clark Park over the past ten years, a couple of 
6" x 6" plaques from TruGreen are placed at a couple of the entrances in 
the park.  In very small print, the only warning simply says, "Please 
stay off grass until dry."




The use of herbicides on suburban private property is very different 
than use on an urban neighborhood park used by thousands of people over 
a single weekend!  If some silly suburbanite hires TruGreen to poison 
the lawn around his isolated castle, presumably that family knows the 
poison is coming and these tiny plaques at least inform the family of 
the application.


When I've discovered these plaques over the years in Clark Park, I've 
done so only because I used to enter the park multiple times a day.  The 
vast majority of the people of West Philly would not have been likely to 
see these plaques on any occasion they happen to wander into the park 
and lie down in the grass with the children and dogs.  It is likely that 
many local people have been exposed to the wet chemical immediately 
after its use, that even the corporation warns against!   (Sam rolls in 
the wet grass and I then get it through kissing and hugging his wet fur.)


The vast majority of Clark Park users don't know they've been exposed!

Based on my observation of the pattern over multiple years, it seems 
that Clark Park has received this "treatment" at least once each spring 
and fall!  That's when I've discovered the plaques, but I've been barred 
from the secret meetings for a decade.  (UCD/FOCP officially blame and 
Fentonize the TruGreen employee for putting the wrong plaques out when 
distributing "organic fertilizer.")   Hahaha, that guy seems to screw up 
each spring and fall and organic fertilizer kills a hell of a lot of 
plant species as well as the soil.  If Tony, Chance, Halligan and Brian 
were Monty Python characters, maybe this would all be funny!



What idiots thought that this suburban business model with unacceptable 
notification was adequate warning for a heavily used urban park???  I 
haven't talked to a single person outside of the FOCP gang that thinks 
using herbicide AT ALL is a reasonable policy for any Philadelphia 
park!  Have any of you?  Are Dandelion and Clover flowers that 
oppressively ugly to you that massive killing is justified even if the 
poison was safe???


I consider this indiscriminate slaughter of life around the planet to be 
a most vile sin.  It is an act of murder against the earth goddess and 
contempt for the sanctity of all life.




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Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible

[Glenn]

Yes, I was at Harvard Yard a couple weeks ago and the soil and plants 
look much healthier than Clark Park!


Penn did copy the new chair scheme in Clark Park from Harvard Yard.  But 
the new Clark Park chairs are painted the same bright orange that poor 
people must wear on the UCD chain gang.  (Harvard's chairs are 
multi-colored.)


These orange chairs have "Property of Clark Park" stamped on them much 
like the jumpsuits say "Property of Community Court."  For the people 
who have been harassed over the past couple years by bike cops, these 
orange chairs send a chilling psychological reminder:  Keep out or you 
will be jailed!



And yes, that bizarre yellow lawn is consistent with the consumer 
complaints of "burning" with roundup use.   That Walnut St. site is the 
most extensive, if people want to check out these chemical burns.


Glenn

On 6/18/2011 12:02 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is aware 
of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark park -- 
I haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this discussion, I 
first heard about it on this old house:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html



or, closer to home:


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/grd/2413917807.html



http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/greenfund.html#morris3


http://philadelphiagreen.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/compost-week-striking-a-balance/ 






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Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible

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UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is aware of 
harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark park -- I 
haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this discussion, I first 
heard about it on this old house:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html



or, closer to home:


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/grd/2413917807.html



http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/greenfund.html#morris3



http://philadelphiagreen.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/compost-week-striking-a-balance/





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[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Glenn wrote:
And if you look 
down from Walnut St just east of WXPN, almost the entire Frankenstein 
lawn adjacent the new parking lot construction has the same yellowing.




yes! I noticed this recently and wondered about that strange 
yellowing, because that sod had been recently laid and 
everything was green, and then suddenly the weird swaths of 
perfectly uniform yellow appeared, that didn't follow the 
pattern of the sod pieces -- and this dead yellow appeared 
after plenty of rain had just fallen. and what's so odd is 
that when you look at it from above, you see perfectly green 
patches of grass right next to patches of completely dead 
yellow grass -- it's not even a gradual shift...


also, no dandelions or clover, from what I can see from the 
bridge...


so roundup is causing that?

seems consistent with the practice of applying roundup at 
the beginning of new landscaping operations; the stouffer 
triangle on woodland walk is also relatively recent (just 
last year?)



- - - - -


if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is 
inconsistent with penn's stated commitment to sustainability:


 http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/


perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd 
is aware of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for 
our clark park -- I haven't heard mention of this compost 
tea in this discussion, I first heard about it on this old 
house:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html



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Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research

[Glenn]

"Second, while the half-life of glyphosate, the active ingredient in 
Roundup, varies widely in the soil, it does usually break down swiftly."


Rick,

Tony West also missed that this claim has been shown to be false.

 You're reading of the reports are the correct ones and extremely 
dilute concentrations can produce the harmful effects.  The chemical 
companies are excused from doing proper research by a compliant 
government.  They produce data on a substance in isolation.  But 
toxicity can be compounded in the real world much like drug interactions 
of safe doses can be harmful and deadly.


Glenn

On 6/16/2011 9:35 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:

Tony,  This was covered by the studies which showed the hazardous effects in 
extremely dilute concentrations... did you miss that   Rick Conrad

On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Anthony West wrote:


you seem still to step around two key facts in Frank Chance's report on 
Roundup. First, most of the malign findings in human beings occur with 
agribusiness applications, which can be up to 20 times more concentrated than 
dilute commercial solutions


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Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research

[Glenn]

On 6/16/2011 7:08 PM, Anthony West wrote:
in this case, the Dept. of Parks & Recreation, and perhaps Capital 
Projects as well. It is a citywide issue which has nothing in 
particular to do with Clark Park. There will never be a situation in 
which Parks & Rec employs one herbicide in a project in Park X and 
another in Park Y, based on local input.


Here is another whopper told by Mr. West.  The company that spread the 
poison in the past was a subcontractor for the Moon landscape company 
and not city employees!  Nor were the two guys that I witnessed during 
the redesign city employees!   Many local people know that the Dept of 
Rec. transferred "maintenance" of Clark Park to UCD and its layers of 
subcontractors many years ago when the "Party for the Park" first began.


Has long term FOCP leader Tony West forgotten???

As I explained before, no one is going to get any answers about RoundUp 
use or any future issues from the Clark Park Partnership or the city.  
People are supposed to get frustrated as they are given the circular run 
around between FOCP and UCD.   I hope no one is waiting for the internal 
investigation of the violation of federal law and the John Fenton 
affair-haha




 I publicly asked former UCD director, Lewis Wendell, to open records 
on Clark Park for inspection when PENN tried to raise property taxes, 
BID.  He refused to answer me and UCD will always refuse unless they are 
taken to court.  Frankly, their "experts" don't care what is done to 
Clark Park as long as they can advertise the money spent which is to 
justify their control.  If people think the landscape companies are city 
employees as West suggests, they need to wake up and ask some of the 
honest neighbors to the park, like me.


How long will local people tolerate "community representatives" 
repeatedly lying as they engage in secret deals against the public good 
and safety???











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[UC] RoundUp burning is visible

[Glenn]

When I reported the RoundUp use in Clark Park before the fence went up, 
I also investigated the landscape company that the secret partnership 
was using at the time.  The consumer complaints largely focused on what 
was often called "burning."  (There was a lawsuit brought on this basis 
in either NJ or DE)



You can see this yellowing of a large portion of the Frankenstein grass 
just south of the huge gravel pit in Park A.  You can also see this at 
Stouffer triangle on Woodland walk between 38 and 37th.  And if you look 
down from Walnut St just east of WXPN, almost the entire Frankenstein 
lawn adjacent the new parking lot construction has the same yellowing.



The workers who spread this stuff are told the same pack of lies about 
safety and appear to use even greater doses than the Monsanto 
guidelines.  It appears the business theory is to make sure that all 
dandelion and flowering plants are killed with the first dose and the 
company is not called back for a 2nd treatment.  (The worker who I 
recently witnessed in the park was literally  drenching the tree roots 
in Clark Park.  The boss, who identified the poison as roundup, 
immediately told me that RoundUp is safe.)


If you walk around Penn campus, you will see the same Frankenstein grass 
as we have in Clark Park devoid of all other plant species.


This RoundUp seems to be deployed in city parks which have had the city 
workers replaced by special service districts, so the city will claim 
ignorance and no responsibility.


My reply to Mary won't go through to the list, so I will need to retype 
and send my view of the role and culpability of the FOCP leaders later.





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