Title: Re: [UC] Drug pushers in the NYTimes
Wilma,I agree with Tony. I belong to both listservs (univcity and UCNeighbors), but find univcity less and less useful or civil. UCNeighbors is more active and I find the dialog more engaging and community-oriented.Please come join us.Margie Apr 1, 2010 03:32:44 PM, anthony_w...@earthlink.net wrote:
Wilma,
Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually
I'm on four neighborhood lists), there's no "they" vs. "we". There are
just two different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we
choose.
Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for the same
community. (They'd rather not see their inbox flooded by the same post
in three different emails, for instance.) In that case, the listserve
with the greater traffic -- particularly traffic about the neighborhood
-- is surely the more useful. Almost by definition, it represents the
neighborhood better.
One might still keep a membership on the less-popular listserve, if it
gives information not available on the more-popular listserve --
particularly if it facilitates a specific kind of neighborhood
communication that is hard to get on the more-popular one. In this
case, having read both Kyle Cassidy's UC list and Villanova's UC list
for a few years now, my take is the "purple" list reliably fosters
personal attack, intentional misinformation and extremist hysteria on
neighborhood issues.
It's more about the process than the people. The same people, writing
on the same issues on UCNeighbors, write with more gentleness, more
receptivity and more nuance than they do on Purple. I include myself in
this criticism.
Listserves generally die with a whimper, not a bang, and that's how
Purple seems to be dying. I still see, from time to time, useful
threads about household services that don't appear on UCNeighbors. But
I see more useful threads about household services overall on
UCNeighbors now than I do on Purple.
The only threads that flourish on Purple rather than UCNeighbors are
those that favor querulous complaints about how bad A is or B is. Thus,
in this recent statistic-boosting spate, I note that I made a nasty
comment about Glenn (en passant) and that Kimm made a nasty comment
about Tom (in yo face) and that Wilma induces a global nasty comment by
me about all Purple readers (not there at all) ... par for the course.
Anyone who prefers to relate to their neighbors in this manner will
find Purple more congenial than UCNeighbors. Anyone who does not prefer
to relate to their neighbors in this manner will find UCNeighbors more
congenial than Purple, in my estimation.
So I do think this product is broken and I have no idea how to fix it,
unless it's willing to bite the bullet and appoint a moderator of its
own. But I'll continue to read it and post on it, if I think I can make
a comment that is helpful. I always appreciate your posts, Wilma.
-- Tony West
On 3/31/2010 9:54 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
Wow!
THAT’S a slap in the face.
Thank you kindly for showing us who the better people are who have
higher-quality neighborhood input. Since I have been a member of this
listserv since its inception, apparently I can rest assured that I
would not be considered as such; especially since I am not a member of
the UCNeighbors listserv.
Mogadishu, indeed! Perhaps it was not your intent to appear hurtful,
elitist and disrespectful amongst other things, especially in light of
the subject of civility raised earlier, but I do perceive it this way
because there is not much room for benefit of the doubt anymore.
Snide remarks about the persons who belong to this listserv, since the
formation of UCNeighbors has gone a bit too far in my opinion. You
have UCNeighbors...fine! Isn’t that enough without denigrating this
listserv or are we all just supposed to not post, drop dead or leave
the neighborhood? What IS it they want from us?
Come front street with it once and for all.
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