[UC] Deception by greenwashing

2009-10-01 Thread Glenn moyer
Neighbors,

I imagine you all noted that UCD and FOCP immediately tried to silence our 
discussion of clark park poison with greenwashing.  They didn't know the name 
of the poison or even the company, but just launched into bull... It's organic 
and safe; it's safe and organic.  Everyone shut up because Glenn is paranoid.

Here is a good testimonial about greenwashing with the organic claim.  Note 
that this individual also reports having a human physical reaction.  The 
complaints about harming dogs are plentiful.  (Trugreen has some 3 million 
contracts).  Do you see why the accumulated damage is threatening the 
Chesapeake and other water sheds?

http://trugreen.pissedconsumer.com/trugreen-lies-and-poisons-20090619150190.html

Titled: Trugreen Lies and Poisons

My neighbors use TruGreen. Their lawn looks dead. Mine is green. I don't use a 
lawn service or lawn chemicals. My soil is the same as theirs. The point is 
that TruGreen tells my neighbors that the chemicals are safe and 
organic-based, which to me means the base can be organic with anything added 
to it. TruGreen came a month ago and sprayed *** and grub killer on my 
neighbors' lawn in 40 mile an hour winds in advance of a big rain storm. Not 
surprisingly, the spraying didn't work because what chemicals didn't get blown 
all over the neighborhood got washed down the storm drain. A month later they 
are here again. My tongue is burning and I have a headache so I assume TruGreen 
is Spraying a generous dose. The man who sprayed wore only rubber gloves for 
protection and no mask or protective clothing. His pants were wet to the knees 
with lawn chemicals. It is supposed to rain for the next five days so he will 
be back again in a month when my neighbors complain that the grubs and weeds 
remain. Why do my neighbors, also my friends, place their fear of weeds and 
grubs and love for their lawn ahead of the environment and their friends' and 
neighbors' health? They do it because TruGreen sales people have told them that 
their products are safe and organic based and will dissipate within 48 hours. 
My neighbors don't seem to get that dissipate means to go into the air for all 
of us to breathe. Grr. I hate TruGreen. Agressive sales and deceptive 
practices.

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Re: [UC] Deception by greenwashing

2009-10-01 Thread Brian Siano
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Glenn moyer glen...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Neighbors,

 I imagine you all noted that UCD and FOCP immediately tried to silence our
 discussion of clark park poison with greenwashing.  They didn't know the
 name of the poison or even the company, but just launched into bull... It's
 organic and safe; it's safe and organic.  Everyone shut up because Glenn is
 paranoid.


and
When I discover the exact name of the Clark park poison, I'll research the
specific product and report back to you.

This is strange. At 5:30 today, Frank Chance emailed Glenn a data sheet on
the fertilizer used in the park, and I got a cc.. It's called GreenGro, it's
made by a company called Synatek, and it's basically 19% urea nitrogen and
2% potassium chloride. That's pretty standard for a fertiizer. (According to
the spec sheet, ingestion causes mild stomach discomfort.)

Yet here we are at 8:40 pm, and Glenn is promising to report back when he
discovers the exact name. But he's evidently spent those three hours
dredging up complaints about this TruGreen company-- _three hours_ after
getting information with the name of the fertilizer, and the fact that it's
made by someone else entirely.

It's now 11 p.m., and Glenn has not mentioned receiving Frank's email.

Are we surprised? I'm not. Glenn's history is to try to find _some_ issue to
get people angry at the Friends of Clark Park. It doesn't matter _what_ it
is. One month it's our 'secret plans' to rebuild parts of the park. Another
month, our survey on flea markets is Something Sinister. Reciting claims of
corporate rule and dandelion murder haven't inspired people to really to
Glenn's cause, whatever it really is.

But Glenn seems to have found a button to press. He's been screaming about
poison right off the bat, like those Town Hall cranks yelping about
socialism and death panels. (Kind of an old PR trick: keep repeating the
inflamatory buzzwords about your opponents, as Newt Gingrich did in the
1990s.) He's made vague, unverifiable claims that the grass is now a
strange color, and somehow, the absence of dandelions is connected with
this; I'm surprised he hasn't cited local psychics that the park's aura
is out of alignment.

Oh, I have to mention something that's very disturbing. Glenn has made wild
and unsupported claims that millions of gallons of poisons are being
dumped in the park, as a corporate effort to promote neo-Victorian
values. I have not seen anyone demand that he support these claims with
anything like proof. But when Tony tries to answer these wild accusations--
and we're researching the issue, trust me-- suddenly the people who
swallowed Glenn's dishonest bile are demanding facts and data. Well, we're
trying, but they take time to assemble: Glenn has the luxury of throwing
whatever he wants onto the list, relevant, documented, or not.

This is sadly typical of the angry, bullying tone that's chased a lot of
reasonable people away from this mailing list.


Re: [UC] Deception by greenwashing - Now Politics too?

2009-10-01 Thread Craigsolve
In a message dated 10/1/2009 11:18:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
briansi...@gmail.com writes:

... like  those Town Hall cranks yelping about socialism and death panels. 
(Kind of an  old PR trick: keep repeating the inflamatory buzzwords about 
your opponents,  as Newt Gingrich did in the 1990s.) 


 
I take great umbrage with you painting our popular conservative movement  
with Pigment of Glenn.
 
You, as one of this list's most notorious lefties, have stooped to a  new 
gagging low, heretofore only achievable with the forced ingestion of  Skippy 
peanut butter liberally dusted with powder of urea nitrogen  and flakes of 
potassium chloride.
 
However, I thought you might be interested in Tim Dickinson's effort to  
discredit salt-of-the-earth conservatives by suggesting their opposition to  
Obamacare is a game-plan orchestrated in part by organizations with ties to  
former Big Tobacco operatives. It appears in Rolling Stone 
_http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30219673/the_lie_machine_ 
(http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30219673/the_lie_machine)  I  think 
you will enjoy it.
 
While the Left seems to blame so many difficulties on Corporations,  they 
most certainly are the difference between man living in the Stone Age and  
the Age of Obama. We will all have to make the best of bad times.
 
Ciao,
 
Craig