Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[Charles H. Buchholtz]

I just wanted to make it clear that Laserbeam misquoted me in his
post.  I did not say, "involves defining the problems for everyone and
then defining the solutions for everyone."

I don't mind Laserbeam or anyone responding to my posts and
disagreeing with me, but I do mind being misquoted.

Instead of

   From:  L a s e r B e a m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date:  Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:50:33 -0500

   Charles H. Buchholtz wrote:
   
   > I don't know how to care for a lawn.  In both cases, it doesn't mean
   > that the location is "bad", it just means that it involves defining
   > the problems for everyone and then defining the solutions for everyone.

   there. fixed.

Laserbeam should have written   
   
   From:  L a s e r B e a m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date:  Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:50:33 -0500

   Charles H. Buchholtz wrote:
   
   > I don't know how to care for a lawn.  In both cases, it doesn't mean
   > that the location is "bad", it just means that it 

   involves defining the problems for everyone and then defining the
   solutions for everyone.

   there. fixed.

there.  fixed.

--- Chip

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Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[L a s e r B e a m]

Charles H. Buchholtz wrote:

Just because the university recognizes the major problems associated
with an urban setting doesn't mean that it doesn't recognize the
benefits, too.  And to an administrator coming from Princeton,
adjusting to Penn's urban setting is probably one of the biggest
problems.  If I were to move to the suburbs, adjusting to the suburban
setting would be my major problem.  I know how to handle a house, but
I don't know how to care for a lawn.  In both cases, it doesn't mean
that the location is "bad", it just means that it involves defining
the problems for everyone and then defining the solutions for everyone.




there. fixed.

.
laserbeam
[aka ray]











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Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[William H. Magill]

On 23 Jan, 2004, at 08:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From today's Daily Pennsylvanian:

Contemplating the upcoming transition, Undergraduate Political Science 
Chairman Henry Teune noted the unique challenges facing Penn. He 
described Penn as a "three-ring circus," with three major problems 
requiring the constant attention of administrators: Penn's low 
endowment to student ratio, its large Health System and its urban 
setting.

Maybe the "problem" Penn faces as a result of "its urban setting" is 
thinking that its urban setting is a problem. Many of us think that 
the urban area in which Penn is a net asset and not a net liability.
It will be interesting to see how Gutmann adapts to Penn... it's VERY 
different from Princeton.

Princeton's annual budget is less than 25% of Penn's. (Penn's is 
currently a $3.5 billion dollar a year budget, Princeton is roughly 
$800 million.) They may have a larger endowment, but their overall 
operating budget is much lower. Penn is a major Research Institution, 
Princeton is an Academic one - that's a big philosophical difference.

According to NACUBO, in 2003, Princeton's endowment was $8.7 billion, 
Penn's $3.5 billion. Princeton is ranked #3, Penn #11. Harvard is #1 
with $18.8 billion.

Penn's biggest problem for its administrators is, as a previous Provost 
characterized it -- "Penn is like medieval England, with the Barons 
making deals with each other and only paying attention to the King when 
it is to their advantage."

The other interesting thing is that Princeton has traditionally had a 
worse "Town and Gown problem" than Penn.

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Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[Lillja]

Ah, perspective. How refreshing.

Jim Lilly

Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[Mark Krull]

I agree that being urban is an asset. I only hope Ms. Gutman, the new
President has an understanding of this-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 23, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem 

In a message dated 1/23/2004 9:17:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

From today's Daily Pennsylvanian:

Contemplating the upcoming transition, Undergraduate Political Science Chairman Henry Teune noted the unique challenges facing Penn. He described Penn as a "three-ring circus," with three major problems requiring the constant attention of administrators: Penn's low endowment to student ratio, its large Health System and its urban setting. 
Maybe the "problem" Penn faces as a result of "its urban setting" is thinking that its urban setting is a problem. Many of us think that the urban area in which Penn is a net asset and not a net liability. 
Al Krigman
Aside from the question of whether Penn is a "three-ring" circus, at the conversation between Jesse Jackson and Michael Dyson last night, President Rodin was introduced as one who has improved the varsity's relationship with the community and revitalized West Philly. Not saying she hasn't. (See my "Gentrification of the Corridor"). Neither Jesse nor Michael raised an eyebrow at that characterization, although I was far enough back in the audience that I probably wouldn't have caught it. Anyhow, when Jesse was discussing the trillions of dollars in pension funds in this country and none of it controlled by black folks, even though their monies make up a significant portion of those funds, he focussed on Yale rather than Penn.
 
 
 

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Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[Charles H. Buchholtz]

   From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date:  Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:52:29 EST

   Maybe the "problem" Penn faces as a result of "its urban setting" is thinking 
   that its urban setting is a problem. Many of us think that the urban area in 
   which Penn is a net asset and not a net liability. 

My impression (from 25 years at Penn) is that Penn agrees that its
urban location is a net asset.  But that doesn't mean that it doesn't
have associated problems that have to be addreessed.

By analogy, if I got a house in the suburbs, among the problem that
I'd face would be the suburban setting: long commute, lack of shopping
within walking distance, death by boredom, paranoid feeling of being
surrounded bystepford wives and husbands, etc.  Since I got a house in
the city, instead, I'm faced with the problem of the urban setting:
people dumping their trash in front of my house, car alarms going off
every half hour all night long, etc.

Just because the university recognizes the major problems associated
with an urban setting doesn't mean that it doesn't recognize the
benefits, too.  And to an administrator coming from Princeton,
adjusting to Penn's urban setting is probably one of the biggest
problems.  If I were to move to the suburbs, adjusting to the suburban
setting would be my major problem.  I know how to handle a house, but
I don't know how to care for a lawn.  In both cases, it doesn't mean
that the location is "bad", it just means that it involves certain
problems that need to be addressed.

--- Chip




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Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[Benseraglio2]

In a message dated 1/23/2004 9:17:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

From today's Daily Pennsylvanian:

Contemplating the upcoming transition, Undergraduate Political Science Chairman Henry Teune noted the unique challenges facing Penn. He described Penn as a "three-ring circus," with three major problems requiring the constant attention of administrators: Penn's low endowment to student ratio, its large Health System and its urban setting. 
Maybe the "problem" Penn faces as a result of "its urban setting" is thinking that its urban setting is a problem. Many of us think that the urban area in which Penn is a net asset and not a net liability. 
Al Krigman
Aside from the question of whether Penn is a "three-ring" circus, at the conversation between Jesse Jackson and Michael Dyson last night, President Rodin was introduced as one who has improved the varsity's relationship with the community and revitalized West Philly. Not saying she hasn't. (See my "Gentrification of the Corridor"). Neither Jesse nor Michael raised an eyebrow at that characterization, although I was far enough back in the audience that I probably wouldn't have caught it. Anyhow, when Jesse was discussing the trillions of dollars in pension funds in this country and none of it controlled by black folks, even though their monies make up a significant portion of those funds, he focussed on Yale rather than Penn.
 
 
 

Ross Benderhttp://rossbender.org

Re: [UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

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At 08:52 AM 1/23/2004 -0500, Al Krigman wrote:
From today's Daily
Pennsylvanian:
 ...Undergraduate Political
Science Chairman Henry Teune noted the unique challenges facing Penn. ...
three major problems requiring the constant attention of administrators:
Penn's low endowment to student ratio, its large Health System and its
urban setting. 
Maybe the "problem" Penn faces as a result of "its urban
setting" is thinking that its urban setting is a problem. Many of us
think that the urban area in which Penn is a net asset and not a net
liability. 

Likewise, the health system
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[UC] Maybe the problem is thinking that it's a problem

[Krfapt]

From today's Daily Pennsylvanian:

Contemplating the upcoming transition, Undergraduate Political Science Chairman Henry Teune noted the unique challenges facing Penn. He described Penn as a "three-ring circus," with three major problems requiring the constant attention of administrators: Penn's low endowment to student ratio, its large Health System and its urban setting. 
Maybe the "problem" Penn faces as a result of "its urban setting" is thinking that its urban setting is a problem. Many of us think that the urban area in which Penn is a net asset and not a net liability. 
Al Krigman