Re: [UC] Whose committee? (Was: What you mean 'public', community man?)

2007-11-17 Thread Glenn


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Subject: Re: [UC] Whose committee? (Was: What you mean 'public', community 
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Ray, how could you possibly know what a UCD committee is? You've never 
sat on one, right? You have no experience with what you're writing about.


You are spinning. I'm living.

-- Tony West


no, glenn's statement is true, and now you're trying to spin what a ucd 
committee is.



Neighbors,
Here is the link for UCD committees.  You will find Melani, West, Lussenhop 
and other great community leaders under the cozy little umbrella of our 
government.  Our beloved UCD.



http://www.ucityphila.org/about/ucd-committee-lists


A hot-headed wanker and teller of lies,
Glenn





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[UC] Whose committee? (Was: What you mean 'public', community man?)

2007-11-16 Thread Anthony West
Well, I'll be hornswoggled. Glenn's statement is still false, but it's 
not his fault. A friend directed me to UCD's website and there, in 
bright lights, are two committees I do sit on: the Clark Park 
Partnership Committee and the Clark Park Party Planning  Fundraising 
Committee. They are on a webpage entitled University City District 
Committees.


I wouldn't have described them that way, because both committees are 
partnerships. That is, they are working groups among organizational 
equals, in which UCD is one participant. The Clark Park Partnership 
Committee is chaired by Paul Bonfanti of the Pennsylvania Horticultural 
Society. It consists of representatives of the Recreation Dept., the 
Water Dept., USP, UCD, UCGreen, as the list indicates. Councilwoman 
Blackwell's office is omitted from the list, although her representative 
also sits on that committee.


As for the Party Planning Committee, the person who usually chairs that 
is Mark Byerley, the professional party planner who organizes the affair 
for us. Oddly, his name and organization are also omitted from the list! 
(Of course, I can't recall his company's name either at this Senior Moment.)


To me, a committee implies an internal, hierarchical structure. In 
other words, the House Ways  Means Committee is part of the House of 
Representatives, is composed of members of the House, reports to the 
House and serves the House. Ditto in Friends of Clark Park, where the 
Outreach Committee is an arm of the Board of Directors, the President 
and the Membership.


At first glance, none of these UCD committees are like that. Very few 
committee members report to or obey UCD. I suspect many participants 
don't view them as UCD committees. But it's UCD's website. Its 
participation is appreciated and it can describe these committees any 
way it wants on its own page -- that's my view.


PHS is equally entitled to portray its participation in the CPPC as its 
own baby. If you scoot over to its website, you'll find Clark Park among 
the 70-odd beneficiaries of the Philadelphia Green Parks Revitalization 
Project, which actually launched the Clark Park Partnership. I know, I 
was there.


The Rec Dept.'s internet presence absolutely sucks, so researchers with 
poor people skills will never be able to figure out its true role in 
policy planning for Clark Park. It is, of course, decisive because it 
actually owns and manages the real estate. This year it did put out a 
brochure in which it presented many of the wondrous events in Clark 
Park. All those events, without exception, were conceived and organized 
by other agents.


So who cares, really? The first lesson I'd extract is that anybody who 
thinks he can grasp complex public policy solely by googling stuff is a 
fool. Excuse my French: a fool. That's how I'd put it to anyone who 
writes for me. I google for a living and it's an amazing tool. But to 
understand anything really, you can't just surf around a search-engine 
potpourri. Because anything can be put on a webpage, anything.


To arrive at sound judgements, you really have to talk to people who are 
involved. And pay attention.


-- Tony West



Glenn's statement I false. I sit on no UCD committees and never have.

-- Tony West


. The fact that West is trying to spin the SHCA trickery as a great 
public meeting is to be expected.  He is on two UCD committees.







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Re: [UC] Whose committee? (Was: What you mean 'public', community man?)

2007-11-16 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN

Anthony West wrote:
Well, I'll be hornswoggled. Glenn's statement is still false, but it's 
not his fault.




no, glenn's statement is true, and now you're trying to spin 
what a ucd committee is.



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   these people are. Ray has admitted being
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Re: [UC] Whose committee? (Was: What you mean 'public', community man?)

2007-11-16 Thread Anthony West
Ray, how could you possibly know what a UCD committee is? You've never 
sat on one, right? You have no experience with what you're writing about.


You are spinning. I'm living.

-- Tony West


no, glenn's statement is true, and now you're trying to spin what a 
ucd committee is.


[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.




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