Re: [UC] another slate roof goes
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 06:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard there's a new recycled material that resembles roof slate. I believe there is a factory in Carlisle, PA. Does anyone know anything about it? My slate roof is about 110 years old, so I'm starting to worry. Yes. However, I do not know the details other than that they are some sort of composite material. (I had a piece of one.) The property on the NW corner of 44th and Sansom had them applied to its mansard. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] another slate roof goes
I believe faux slate was used on the restoration of the buildings in the 4200 block of Spruce Street. I stopped when the work was being done and saw the product, which was quite authentic looking. Anybody know who did this work and/or anymore detail? Jim Lilly
Re: [UC] another slate roof goes -- some prices
In a message dated 4/4/03 10:26:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe faux slate was used on the restoration of the buildings in the 4200 block of Spruce Street. I stopped when the work was being done and saw the product, which was quite authentic looking. Anybody know who did this work and/or anymore detail Check out the web site at http://www.roofingstore.ca/roofing_budgets.htm There's a table giving the material-only cost of a nice variety of roofing materials. You'll see that artificial slate is quite expensive. For instance, 100 square feet of ordinary shingle roofing runs around $200. Centain-Teed's "slate-look" shingle (I've seen it, and it looks fake -- probably wouldn't be approved by the Historical Commission) runs $425 per 100 sf. Royal Plastic Slate looks pretty good at $720 per 100 sf. Real Vermont Slate is $1,500 per 100 sf. There's a product listed named "Future Shake" which seems to be made out of metal at $550 per sf, which I haven't seen. There are also artificial slate tiles made out of recycled tires impregnated with slate dust that look quite good -- not on this website and I forget the price; I recall it was something like $1,200 per 100 sf. You can figure that a typical West Philly twin with a slate Mansard roof is about 16 feet along the street and 90 feet deep, and the roof part might be 9 or 10 feet high. So you're looking at 1,000 sf for starters, without considering the tops of the dormers, turrents, etc. You can figure the priced difference compared to shingles from there. And this would just be the material difference. Most slate products take much longer to install than shingles, so there's a cost premium there, too. By the way, the website has some prices for terra cotta tile products too, in case this was what was originally on your house (if the Mansard has a curved top-to-bottom profile, this is likely). Also quite expensive. Al Krigman
Re: [UC] another slate roof goes
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 09:10:41AM -0500, Al Krigman wrote: In a message dated 4/3/03 8:52:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Campus Apartments is removing the slate roof on 4410 Pine Street today. The slate was in reasonably good condition, although it needed repair. It's highly improbable that Campus Apts are doing this job because they want to, rather than because there are structural or leakage problems. It's similarly unlikely that they're doing a complete re-roofing, including the expensive removal and disposal of the original slate, when they could have done some minor repair. So, are you offering to pay for the difference in cost to allow Campus Apts to correct whatever problems they have encountered while also restoring the slate roof to satisfy your aesthetic sensibilities? Your Big Brother is watching you web page is just the sort of thing we have to fear from the house huggers eager to force Historic Designation on those of us who cherish out Fifth Amendment (and other) rights. You should be ashamed of yourself. That's an extreme interpretation, Al. I don't want to live in a neighborhood where no one watches anyone, and where we all refrain from commenting even *that* something is happening out of respect for privacy. Let's not confuse the watchful care and sharing of tolerant neighbors with the strong arm of a watchful big brother with the force of law and guns to enforce. I know there are others, like me, who regret the passing of slate roofs. They are pretty in a way that asphalt shingle fails to equal. So I remark on this roof's passing. Do I think it's a waste? Yes. Do I feel I should stop them? No. Do I think the outcome might have been different if more roofers were experienced in slate and offered slate repair and refurbishment as a normal option? Yes. I have, in the past, offered to do repair or maintenance for neighboring landlords for free or just free labor when I want a repair that they don't. I don't care about this slate roof enough to do that, and I recognize that as a limitation in my own interest. But I still find it sad that the roof is going. While I don't blame CA (but do, a bit, blame the long-time former owner, Eugene Block), I don't mind saying that I think it could have been different. -- Jeff Jeff Abrahamson http://www.purple.com/jeff/ GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] another slate roof goes
Jeff Abrahamson wrote: Campus Apartments is removing the slate roof on 4410 Pine Street today. The slate was in reasonably good condition, although it needed repair. Here are some pictures of the building, showing the roof as it is this morning with demolition only partly begun. http://www.purple.com/temp/4410_Pine/ Well, this is obviosuly going to star a revival of the Historic District argument-- and that's a good thing, because the matter's been ignored for quite a while. I would like to note several points. 1. The compromise proposal of the SHNA-- available on our website, www.shnalliance.org, and to be discussed at length in an article I'm working on-- would provide the same protections as the original on investment properties. So, this particular example wouldn't argue against our compromise at all. 2. We do not know why Campus Apartments is doing this-- I agree with Al that their reasons are, more than likely, structural, especially after those horrific snows we had this year. The photos on Jeff's website are worth checking out, but I have two questions. 3. On the fifth photo, the caption states that the turret is in good shape. But the eighth photo, taken at a different angle, shows some odd tablets on that same turret. What's the story on that odd section? 4. The sixth photo's caption states In case there's any doubt as to what's going up in place of slate. The photo shows rolls of underlayment, which may be just as required for replaceemnt-slate or faux-slate. The forground roll seems different. What is that, exactly? 5. It might be worth asking Campus Apartments about this project. I'd like to know what the cost differences were; those of us who own slate roofs (I'm not one) would like to know what the financial aspects are. This was a major point in the HD debates, and now, we actually have a local test-case from which we could get some representative numbers. 6. Has anyone considered asking Campus Apartments for the slate they're taking down? It might be worth holding onto for another house. Keep us posted, Jeff. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
