Re: [UC] hypocrisy [was: 11-Story Hilton Hotel]

2007-11-13 Thread Wilma de Soto
Melani,

Quite right.  However, the UCHS targeted CERTAIN Calvary members were
specifically chosen by the UCHS and, ³The Friends of Calvary², because they
were seen to be malleable to the purpose of allowing them to take over and
control Calvary United Methodist Church;  ostensibly to preserve an
Historical Church, which they do until this day.

Common ground could not be found for church members who opposed the
political machinations which had NOTHING to do with the Church and with
³Dismantling Racism² which involved the ³Huperetai², a Social Justice
Teaching Collective found by Dody Matthias and Wanda Lofton. (my late
sister).

The ³Friends of Calvary² were NEVER interested in diversity, but control

Kimm was right with respect to the United Methodist Conference being written
to discredit the ³Huppertai².  Kimm and I have seen letters Melani wrote
with regard to same.

When Melani published a private offlist joke between Al Krigman and I,  I
castigated her soundly.
She eventually asked offline what she had ever done to me, and I told her
about the negative letters she wrote to the UMC with regard to my sister and
Dody.

She denied all, but I KNOW Kimm saw those letters as well as others; I still
have them

Let¹s not forget flyers were put through mail slots before ³An Open Letter
to the Community¹ was published in the UC Review entitled, ³Owner Steals
Tiffany Domes², with regard to Rev. David Tatgenhorst.

Now, hypocrisy is the issue.

On 11/13/07 11:03 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Your summary of events at Calvary suggests that we will probably not find
> common ground, however.   The UCHS-inspired Friends of Calvary committee, of
> which I was a member, but certainly not leader, worked with Calvary members
> who did NOT want to close down the building - members of your church who felt
> that its longtime home at 48th & Baltimore was an important factor in its
> spiritual life.   Your congregation was not all of one mind on a possible
> move.   




[UC] hypocrisy [was: 11-Story Hilton Hotel]

2007-11-13 Thread MLamond
Kimm, earlier last evening you wrote:   

In a message dated 11/12/07 9:44:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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So I'm not sure why my lament about our lack of historic districts changed 
your strategy into attack mode:

In a message dated 11/12/07 11:54:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<<...You valued buildings, I valued people.  But now – I don’t know what the 
f*** you value.  It looks to me like the answer is nothing.  I assumed that 
of course Melani Lamond and the UCHS, who I am usually opposed to, would of 
course oppose this.  To see you, of all people, line up to support it . . . 
.Melani, we have had our differences, but I’ve always liked you, and I’ve tried 
to 
respect you, and I’ve tried to understand you...You have utterly lost my 
respect and understanding.>>

Kimm, I know you've written in the past that you don't always have time to 
read the listserv, so I guess you missed my earlier posts explaining that I 
support the project because it will restore the Italianate building.   It seems 
to 
me that if you were indeed fact-gathering rather than judging, you could have 
written to me off list and simply asked me what I value!   And then, as you 
stated so reasonably at 9:44 p.m., we could have debated the merits and not the 
personalities.

Your summary of events at Calvary suggests that we will probably not find 
common ground, however.   The UCHS-inspired Friends of Calvary committee, of 
which I was a member, but certainly not leader, worked with Calvary members who 
did NOT want to close down the building - members of your church who felt that 
its longtime home at 48th & Baltimore was an important factor in its spiritual 
life.   Your congregation was not all of one mind on a possible move.   

In addition to concerns for the preservation of the historic building, many 
Friends also felt that having a vacant and cannibalized (once the decision was 
made to sell the leaded glass domes) building of Calvary's prominence at that 
location would have a terrible effect on Baltimore Avenue, our "main street."  
 We were looking at the bigger picture as well as the building itself.   The 
effect on the community.   Same as folks are for this hotel project.   So it 
seems to me that if you are categorizing my involvement as "hypocrisy" I might 
ask:   why do you find fault with me for supporting a new use which would 
preserve an historic building at 40th & Pine, same as I supported bringing new 
uses to preserve the building housing Calvary United Methodist Church?   And 
why 
isn't it hypocrisy when you say I shouldn't have been involved in the efforts 
to preserve the church, but neighbors should be involved in what goes on at 
40th & Pine?

The Friends of Calvary didn't just sit around and say "no," though, as folks 
seem to be doing today for 40th St.!   We worked to help solve the 
difficulties!   I haven't seen anyone who is saying "no" to the hotel project 
coming up 
with reasonable ways to get the Italianate building at 400 S. 40th St. 
restored.  It seems that it's okay with the opponents to let it sit and rot, as 
long 
as nothing tall is built next to it.   Well, I don't think it's okay to see it 
sit and rot.   I'm in favor of a project which will restore it.   If somebody 
comes along with a better project, then I would be happy to hear the details 
and reconsider what I'll support.   I hope this gives you a better 
understanding of my position.

The Friends group was made up of neighbors on the block, other local 
Methodist ministers, local architects, UCHS members, and Bob Jaeger, a UC 
neighbor and 
the director of a Partners for Sacred Places, a national organization based 
here in Philadelphia to help churches like Calvary regain their footing and 
find ways to survive and thrive in old buildings.   I'd say that every single 
one 
of the other members had more talent and expertise than I did in bringing 
resources to Calvary.

Partners' experience and advice was extremely helpful, and their ability to 
generate funding for repairs was invaluable.   It was Bob - certainly not me, 
as you accuse - who made the contact with the dome buyer and found that he had 
been misled.   The architectural antiques "middleman" had told him that the 
building was being demolished and his purchase was the only thing that would 
"save" the domes.   When he found out that the building would remain standing, 
he 
canceled his purchase - AND proceeded to donate $60,000 to your congregation, 
with no strings attached!   I believe that Calvary used that donation to 
replace the dying heater.   

That was only the start of the renovation money that came in as a result of 
the building's historic significance.   Friends had urged you to use its 
historic significance as a resource to bring you money on an ongoing basis, 
rather 
than sell off your stained glass and run out of physical resources.   And it's 
worked!   Today, with additional fundraising and grants, the building's 
leaning walls have be