Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
pfarrell;537586 Wrote: > mudlark wrote: > > I am well able to cope with kubuntu. It's not my experience I am > trying > > to make a point about. You are defending the indefensible. A bug > hasn't > > been fixed properly...I tried three times to get the situation > > resolved. What do I have to do? Just go away and make less noise? > > I'm not trying to defend anything, and I'm not trying to be negative > towards you. But I don't at all understand what you expect. > > Have you seen the same issue with Debian? Is it just a Kubuntu issue? > or > more general? > > I run Debian for my servers, such as the one running SqueezeBoxServer. > > Support is expensive, and nearly all companies allocate support money > in > direct proportion with the number of users using that flavor. So most > companies do something like 86% Windows, 14% OS-X, and a percent or so > for all else. > > Kubuntu is a subset of Ubuntu, so its way under a portion of that one > percent. Debian is where all the real work is done, and where all the > testing is done. So I suggest you try it using Debian as part of the > problem isolation. > > IMHO, the reality is that supporting assorted Linux distros is so far > down the priority list that it is not going to happen except by luck. > The Radio, which was released last Fall as a commercial product is > riddled with bugs. They have not been fixed because all of the > engineers > have been working on the Touch. Now that the Touch is out, I expect > that > they will be beating down the production bugs in the Touch, and then > get > to the bugs in the Radio. There are, of course, still bugs in the > Duet, > Boom, and even Transporter. > > I expect that community support is all you will get. By the time the > list is short enough, the Boom 2 and Touch 2 will be sucking all the > oxygen out of the air. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Bravo. P -- pski real stereo doesn't wake neighbors (it enrages them) . pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77541 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
mudlark wrote: > dies in disbelief... Wow, I don't get it at all. What don't you like? -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] FreeBSD: A Thank You
On 10:55 Mon 19 Apr , Cecil wrote: > > I remember a time when us FreeBSD users had to wait a significant amount > of time for new Squeezebox Server updates to hit the repo. Now, I find > that the updates are available within days of their release. > > Not sure who is taking this on, but thank you, thank you, thank you!! > Let me add my thanks too, updating the FreeBSD port and been such a smooth sailing. CC'ing to bro...@freebsd - the maintainer of this port. Raj ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] repositories not consistent
Not even the website is consistent This link still shows 30653 http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/7.6/sc/ But this one gives me 30667 http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6 >From the outskirts of civilization where I'm living And this link shows me older fw than it should: http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/7.6.0/ Note apparently this depends on where you are, so if your are in another country or by luck you get a different result. Over in another tread Jim and I got different versions browsing to the "same" url. __ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77518 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
[SlimDevices: Unix] FreeBSD: A Thank You
I remember a time when us FreeBSD users had to wait a significant amount of time for new Squeezebox Server updates to hit the repo. Now, I find that the updates are available within days of their release. Not sure who is taking this on, but thank you, thank you, thank you!! -- Cecil Cecil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33190 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77615 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
dies in disbelief... -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>ESPAudio P09B Active filter>NAP140+260A>Rhapsody, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Karmic Koala servers, various boxes for storage. SB3 Flycatcher 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeBox Server 7.5.1 testing mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77541 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
mudlark wrote: > I am well able to cope with kubuntu. It's not my experience I am trying > to make a point about. You are defending the indefensible. A bug hasn't > been fixed properly...I tried three times to get the situation > resolved. What do I have to do? Just go away and make less noise? I'm not trying to defend anything, and I'm not trying to be negative towards you. But I don't at all understand what you expect. Have you seen the same issue with Debian? Is it just a Kubuntu issue? or more general? I run Debian for my servers, such as the one running SqueezeBoxServer. Support is expensive, and nearly all companies allocate support money in direct proportion with the number of users using that flavor. So most companies do something like 86% Windows, 14% OS-X, and a percent or so for all else. Kubuntu is a subset of Ubuntu, so its way under a portion of that one percent. Debian is where all the real work is done, and where all the testing is done. So I suggest you try it using Debian as part of the problem isolation. IMHO, the reality is that supporting assorted Linux distros is so far down the priority list that it is not going to happen except by luck. The Radio, which was released last Fall as a commercial product is riddled with bugs. They have not been fixed because all of the engineers have been working on the Touch. Now that the Touch is out, I expect that they will be beating down the production bugs in the Touch, and then get to the bugs in the Radio. There are, of course, still bugs in the Duet, Boom, and even Transporter. I expect that community support is all you will get. By the time the list is short enough, the Boom 2 and Touch 2 will be sucking all the oxygen out of the air. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
pfarrell;537544 Wrote: > mudlark wrote: > > If a new user can't get the thing working easily from scratch the > > "Linux is geekware" gets thrown around. This bug is so easy to fix > as > > it is just a dependency problem. So why hasn't it been fixed. The > last > > thing I want is to complain and complain, but this has been going on > > for months now for no apparent reason. > > Wait a minutes. You say that you are not facile with Linux, and you > are > then complaining that SqueezeBoxServer is not as wonderful as you > want? > > Can I ask why you are using Linux instead of Windows or OS-X or > whatever > you are facile with? > > > > linux users seem to me to be keen on the open source aspect and a > good > > deal of them want to see distros become accessible to the person in > the > > street. If the bug fixing is slapdash then . > > Open source software is about the people who use it making it better. > > > The support for semi literates such as me is exemplary, but the > linux > > experience isn't straight forward and it should be. > > I don't expect this to ever happen. It takes tons of engineering time > and QA time and Product Management time to get the support/experience > right. Firms like Apple and Microsoft have the resources and desire to > do so for their products. > > There is no company with such resources anywhere in the same league as > Apple or Microsoft. The geeks who develop Linux and the distros are > geeks, they are not going to want to do this for free. I don't see it > happening. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Ok, you win, I give up. You don't seem to even want to accept the point I am trying to make. I am well able to cope with kubuntu. It's not my experience I am trying to make a point about. You are defending the indefensible. A bug hasn't been fixed properly...I tried three times to get the situation resolved. What do I have to do? Just go away and make less noise? pat you have helped me many times in the past. Why you chose to respond in this thoroughly negative way is beyond me. It doesn't help me and it doesn't deal with my point so why bother pressing the keys at all? -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>ESPAudio P09B Active filter>NAP140+260A>Rhapsody, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Karmic Koala servers, various boxes for storage. SB3 Flycatcher 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeBox Server 7.4.2 testing mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77541 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
mudlark wrote: > If a new user can't get the thing working easily from scratch the > "Linux is geekware" gets thrown around. This bug is so easy to fix as > it is just a dependency problem. So why hasn't it been fixed. The last > thing I want is to complain and complain, but this has been going on > for months now for no apparent reason. Wait a minutes. You say that you are not facile with Linux, and you are then complaining that SqueezeBoxServer is not as wonderful as you want? Can I ask why you are using Linux instead of Windows or OS-X or whatever you are facile with? > linux users seem to me to be keen on the open source aspect and a good > deal of them want to see distros become accessible to the person in the > street. If the bug fixing is slapdash then . Open source software is about the people who use it making it better. > The support for semi literates such as me is exemplary, but the linux > experience isn't straight forward and it should be. I don't expect this to ever happen. It takes tons of engineering time and QA time and Product Management time to get the support/experience right. Firms like Apple and Microsoft have the resources and desire to do so for their products. There is no company with such resources anywhere in the same league as Apple or Microsoft. The geeks who develop Linux and the distros are geeks, they are not going to want to do this for free. I don't see it happening. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] repositories not consistent
Millwood;537464 Wrote: > > Finally - I saw one case in which Package and Package.gz where > inconsistent - I think. It's hard to know which server I'm talking to. > The servers have apparently been programmed to refuse access by ip > address - which makes diagnosis hard. Each of the cited servers hosts multiple mirrors. They use the HTTP1.0 'host' header to determine what content to show. Depending in your tool, setting the host header may be easy. For wget, for example, you can force a host header in with --header="Host: debian.slimdevices.com" As one of the arguments. Use an IP number in the url and that argument and it should work. (Wget will go to the IP in the url, but pass the Host header onto the server.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77518 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Kubuntu 9.10 and SBS 7.5 and mysql again!
pfarrell;537070 Wrote: > mudlark wrote: > > Are there no advocates for linux at Logitech headquarters? > > This is a rhetorical question, right? > > Its a long way from Logitech HQ to anyone working on Slim Devices > hardware or software. > > I have been very happy with the support for Linux in general and > Debian > based distros in particular from the beginning, when I got my first > SqueezeBox 1. I have always run my SlimServer on linux. > > But be real, Slim Devices was run by geeks, they sold out to Logitech > years ago. Logitech is not a low volume, niche company. > > The server is open source. Patches welcome. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ No I am dead serious. I am not able to submit fixes because I don't know how to do the coding. I submitted a bug which wasn't properly dealt with. If a new user can't get the thing working easily from scratch the "Linux is geekware" gets thrown around. This bug is so easy to fix as it is just a dependency problem. So why hasn't it been fixed. The last thing I want is to complain and complain, but this has been going on for months now for no apparent reason. linux users seem to me to be keen on the open source aspect and a good deal of them want to see distros become accessible to the person in the street. If the bug fixing is slapdash then . The support for semi literates such as me is exemplary, but the linux experience isn't straight forward and it should be. -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>ESPAudio P09B Active filter>NAP140+260A>Rhapsody, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Karmic Koala servers, various boxes for storage. SB3 Flycatcher 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeBox Server 7.4.2 testing mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77541 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] repositories not consistent
The root issue for me is that aptitude won't update. I'm at 30649 and the various repositories have everything from 30649 to 30633, including 30657. I see very inconsistent Package contents, but aptitude consistently refuses to update. Another inconsistency is that pool/main/s contains only one .deb, so I assume if its not the same as the Package file aptitude gives up. Finally - I saw one case in which Package and Package.gz where inconsistent - I think. It's hard to know which server I'm talking to. The servers have apparently been programmed to refuse access by ip address - which makes diagnosis hard. -- Millwood 2 SB3, 1 Duet Debian Lenny server 2 AP (netgear, linksys) wireless network. Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77518 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Has the Debian/Ubuntu repo moved?
Same here, no more delays :) -- NooT NooT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37410 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77056 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
