Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Announce: Squeeze on Arch - developer version
Lestrad wrote: Hello. I'm a non-tech hobbyist hoping to run SoA on a Wandboard Quad. I'm currently waiting for the board to arrive. Can anyone tell me what I need to do to disable WiFi and Bluetooth on the board? (I want to run wired-only.) Here are my notes from CSOS (Fedora Linux) on Wandboard Quad. I don't know if this works with SoA. Console access via serial port or ssh, then Disable WiFi: Create a file /etc/modprobe.d/brcmfmac-ignore.conf sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/brcmfmac-ignore.conf Add this line: install brcmfmac /bin/false Disable the bluetooth firmware loader: sudo systemctl disable bcm4329.service gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101624 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Announce: Squeeze on Arch - developer version
paulster wrote: I've been wondering where Adrian is. I hope all is well with him. [ ] Thanks to him I have high-res music all around the house, synchronised, and without running any Logitech hardware anymore. Please describe your hardware configuration(s). Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101624 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
ian_heys wrote: I've been watching this thread daily for months. The OS is starting to look very stable. [ ] Keep up the good work Triode/Jack/John and all. Like many other folks, I have been fascinated to see the integration woes systematically overcome and now sensed the time for deployment. Thank you all. I am still running R5 (CSOS-Wandboard-Dual-R5-20130514-1). My only (minor) gripe with CSOS R5 is slow LMS response on Wandboard with Squeezebox UI compared to LMS on ReadyNAS Pro. Q1: Is the Wandboard Quad with CSOS F19 noticeably faster? It appears time to upgrade. Q2: Can someone detail the roadmap? 1. Updated http references for CSOS release binaries; 2. Remaining CSOS F19 issues to overcome (bug list); 3. Roadmap for future development and features. Thanks again, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: Wi-Fi What's significant about that. [ ... ] Broadcom FMAC Wi-Fi driver working on kernel 3.11 with the WB hardware, for the first time today! (Downside. Device needs to be hard-rebooted, power removed, for the moment, or driver won't load again after reboot.) Yeah! Is this is a step toward the capability to connect directly to a WB from a tablet or smartphone via WiFi? (and still allow WB access to music store via Ethernet.) gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
Steve Agnew wrote: I agree that wireless ad-hoc could be a really useful feature. Can anyone confirm that the wandboard wireless device can do Ad-Hoc mode? Regards, Steve. Pascal Hibon wrote: I have looked at the Wifi chip documentation a while back and it does seem support adhoc mode. I also started to test it but due to time constraints haven't progressed on it. Need to pick up where I left off... I fussed with this a bit and gave up after reading a post that implied that ad hoc WiFi wasn't possible with the dual core Wandboard (driver or HW incompatibility). Perhaps I misread the message; I disabled WiFi with CSOS R5. YES! I desire ad hoc WiFi for two configurations: 1) WiFi access via smartphone or tablet to LMS on Wandboard, with Wandboard access to music share via hard network. 2) WiFi access via smartphone or tablet to LMS on Wandboard, with Wandboard access to music share via USB. The second configuration allows an independent, standalone configuration for the work office environment. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: gregb, up date to the latest LMS git version in the testing repo, do a full rescan after install and see how you get on from there.gregb wrote: [...] updated to latest testing repository, and then started full rescan. I will play with it for a few days. Artwork seems more reliable after a few days of playing (although no exhaustive testing). Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: gregb, up date to the latest LMS git version in the testing repo, do a full rescan after install and see how you get on from there. (This includes, Don't enforce PNG for full size artwork., which I think must be the change Michael is referring to.) Code: sudo csos-cleanUpdate-testing logitechmediaserver Based on previous comments, I found a few large artwork items (nothing silly, just about 550K bytes). I manually resized the larger items down to about 300x300. I manually deleted /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/artwork.*. Also updated to latest testing repository, and then started full rescan. I will play with it for a few days. Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
/var/log/squeezeboxserver/scanner.log shows the following warning. I have searched the media folder for near zero length / short files, but nothing was obviously wrong (all reasonable length). So, I'm looking for clues. Thanks, gregb Code: [13-06-17 22:30:28.5549] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable to read at least 14 bytes from file (only read 8). gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: I'm very close to putting out a new R6 release image, (which I have been threatening to do for the last month). I'm running R5 and the artwork database cache shows symptoms of corruption. I have deleted artwork file per previous suggestion and observed at least temporary improvement, but the corruption reappears again in other artwork. Does R6 have any fixes related to artwork database cache? JackOfAll wrote: Yes, rm /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/artwork.*. Stop the squeezeboxserver service before you rm those files and start it after. I don't think a rescan will cause the pre-caching of artwork, (only a full scan), but as you access artwork, on-the-fly, it should be resized and then put into the cache for future use. Should get you out of a hole without a full rescan. Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JJZolx wrote: If the Wandboard is running LMS, can you just attach a USB hard drive and forego the network Chunkywizard wrote: yes CW How is the Wandboard controlled without a network interface? gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
The recent discussion about frame size and sync troubleshooting makes me wonder about the how other system integrators convince themselves of implementation correctness. Are there tools to build a deterministic bit perfect data stream in WAV format, compare the output of a S/PDIF data stream for correctness, and then compare the output from a DAC for correctness? Perhaps a WAV truth file of exactly 1 second at 20KHz, then decrementing by 500 Hz every second may define a truth data set. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
There are many users still seeking solutions to hosting LMS and compatible players. Here are two use-case figures that use the Wandboard and CSOS. What do you think? Basic single room system: 14914 Multiple room system: 14913 +---+ |Filename: uc_basic_640x321.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14914| +---+ gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
Perhaps a simple question - I'm running CSOS R5 with LMS 7.8.0 (1369215084 @ Thu May 23 10:14:48 BST 2013). LMS 7.8.0 (on CSOS R5) is not consistently showing album artwork. Whereas LMS 7.5.2 (r31632 @ Mon Dec 13 13:07:13 PST 2010) on ReadyNAS seems to consistently show artwork. Any hints? Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
gregb wrote: LMS log and scanner access via web page shows empty web page in CSOS R5: Have you checked to see if there is anything contained in the files? (ie. via the file system rather than via LMS.) Yes, both server.log and scanner.log are non-zero with readable content when accessed via ssh. These were readable via LMS when running CSOS R3. LMS log and scanner access via web page is working for me today (via Firefox 21; same browser as last week). Odd. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: Quote Originally Posted by gregb Yes, I am seeking to disable the WiFi software, make the interface inactive, disable the WiFi transceiver hardware, ... Triode sent me a kernel patch to stop the wi-fi hardware being initialised but I haven't had time to package it as yet. For the moment you could prevent the kernel module from being loaded. Create a file /etc/modprobe.d/brcmfmac-ignore.conf containing... install brcmfmac /bin/false Disable the bluetooth firmware loader as well sudo systemctl disable bcm4329.service And reboot... This appears to work as desired (WiFi is disabled): ifconfig wlan0 wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found Also thanks for bluetooth disable. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
gregb wrote: LMS log and scanner access via web page is working for me today (via Firefox 21; same browser as last week). Odd. I am suspicious the newer LMS mechanism of rotating files has fooled me to believe log file access via LMS web page was not working, I suspect LMS scan completed just before the file rotation, and LMS showed a blank page representing zero length log files. It's clumsy to access log files via ssh from previous day activities. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
Can you update the LMS package to the current testing one, please and report back? I assume this indicates CSOS R5 already matches latest? $ sudo csos-cleanUpdate-testing logitechmediaserver Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Cleaning repos: community-squeeze community-squeeze-testing 2 metadata files removed 2 sqlite files removed 0 metadata files removed Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit community-squeeze | 2.9 kB 00:00:00 community-squeeze-testing| 2.9 kB 00:00:00 (1/2): community-squeeze-testing/primary_db | 7.6 kB 00:00:00 (2/2): community-squeeze/primary_db| 21 kB 00:00:00 No Packages marked for Update gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
lintweaker wrote: It seems there is a wandboard quad in the works, massive overkill for CSOS but nice anyway. Perhaps processor overkill for LMS, but more RAM may allow RAM file system for temp files, no swap, etc. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
I was seeking a simple method to disable WiFi with CSOS R3. I unchecked the On Boot box on the Wireless Interface Configuration page using CSOS R5 (and rebooted). The wlan0 status appears to show both transmitted and received packets still active, and the interface indicates UP: wlan0: flags=4099UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 [ ... ] gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: The OnBoot setting does not disable the wi-fi hardware. It stops the interface from automatically being configured by Network Manager. ie. it will not connect to a router. When you talk of disabling wi-fi, what exactly do you mean? Disabling the hardware? Yes, I am seeking to disable the WiFi software, make the interface inactive, disable the WiFi transceiver hardware, ... gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: What does rpm -q logitechmediaserver say? $ rpm -q logitechmediaserver logitechmediaserver-7.8.0-0.26.20130523git1369215084.fc18.noarch gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
Some notes from recent CSOS update from R3 to R5: a. Downloaded CSOS-Wandboard-Dual-R5-20130514-1.img.7z from http://www.communitysqueeze.org/images/wandboard/CSOS/ . b. Re-image onto 8 GB flash card. c. CSOS setup is quick (establish CIFS mount, set timezone, disable wireless, Disable and Stop Squeezelite, Enable and Start Squeeze Server). d. Configure LMS on port 9000 (set mount point for media folder, clear library and rescan everything). CSOS on Wandboard is great! Observations (no complaints): 1. Library scan took longer on CSOS R5 than CSOS R3. 2. Logitech Media Server Log File access from LMS web page shows empty web page (/var/log/squeezeboxserver/server.log) 3. Scanner Log File access from LMS web page shows empty web page (/var/log/squeezeboxserver/scanner.log) 4. CSOS R5 seems slower than R3 (I'm using SB classics) - are others seeing this?) Questions: Q1: Realizing CSOS is still beta, what is the CSOS stable release plan? Q2: How does this combination of Linux and LMS minimize flash file system write access to prolong flash card life? I'm interested to deploy a CSOS / Wandboard configuration for a five year minimum life. Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
R5 wasn't an official image. I was seeking a simple method to disable WiFi with CSOS R3. My how to update query didn't result in suggestions for updating just the web interface, and I saw another note indicating re-install would be prefered to fix other update issues anyway (so I installed R5 :-). I prefer installing full integrated package to match your distribution. Overall, CSOS R5 seems to be working. A centralized method to announce releases / distributions / updates is desirable. It is easy to miss announcements in a long, multi-page thread. LMS log and scanner access via web page shows empty web page in CSOS R5: Have you checked to see if there is anything contained in the files? (ie. via the file system rather than via LMS.) Yes, both server.log and scanner.log are non-zero with readable content when accessed via ssh. These were readable via LMS when running CSOS R3. I'm still sorting through the content of server.log files. It looks like I have a few corrupted media files, and there are a few perl runtime exceptions. How does this combination of Linux and LMS minimize flash file system write access to prolong flash card life? I'm interested to deploy a CSOS / Wandboard configuration for a five year minimum life. Consumer flash devices are great for low frequency write applications, especially appending and not re-writing same disk blocks over and over. It's hard to write 100,000 times to any flash card block used in a camera application. However, it's not difficult to have high write cycle counts if the flash file system is used in an OS as temporary file space like swap (thus the need for a wear-leveling file system or a different media). I agree, it's not the highest priority task. But a consideration for long life. Thanks again for everybody's effort. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
Fron the Web-GUI Wireless Interface Configuration page, uncheck OnBoot and save. That feature must be in a later release; I'm running R3 (CSOS-Wandboard-Dual-R3-20130412-1.img). Which leads to the next starter guide question: How do I update CSOS? Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
OK, I will concede WiFi won't work as desired (noted above). Q: How do I disable WiFi during the boot sequence (disable wlan0 sudo ifdown wlan0 without login)? gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
JackOfAll wrote: I'm not sure how far you are going to get with that before you hit a brick wall. You'd normally just install and configure hostapd. However, the default WB Broadcom Wi-Fi (brcmfmac) driver doesn't support AP extensions according to the info 'here' (http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers), so I doubt it will work as an AP, unless you add a wireless dongle with a chipset that is known to have a driver that supports AP, like ath9k or b43. Yes, I'm trying to configure Wandboard as WiFi host for iPad client. It looks like your notes provide the reason for lack of success. That's too bad. Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
Humm. Maybe my poor terminology. I'm interested to enable wireless to allow iPad WiFi access to LMS web interface on Wandboard; but the wireless interface doesn't need to penetrate any further than the Wandboard. The Wandboard CSOS web configuration page shows other wireless networks (it can see them), but wireless devices don't seem to see the Wandboard. gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
Your starter guide notes helped - I have successfully booted, set timezone, mounted the server (manual and auto), configured LMS and scanned library, and streamed music to a squeezebox via hard wired network interface. Most excellent. I'm looking for WiFi setup hints to access to LMS on Wandboard via wireless. I want Wandboard to remain hard wired Ethernet to server (and squeezeboxes), and allow iPad WiFi access to LMS web interface on Wandboard. Essentially, the Wandboard provides a standalone wireless access point. Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
I found some hints here: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/Wandboard It looks like the board and case are available from Digi-Key and Mouser. Is there a performance difference between solo and dual? (intended use is LMS with 50K track library) Is there a recommended power supply and sdcard? What else is needed? Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
LaLinea wrote: Look at: http://www.communitysqueeze.org/ The content at the Community Squeeze Operating System link is sparse, without much how to that could be called a starter guide. Am I missing something? Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
[SlimDevices: Unix] LMS on Wandboard with Community Squeeze OS R3 - Looking for starter guide
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98394-NEW-Netgear-ReadyNAS-and-Squeezeboxp=746465#post746465 You could go for the new ReadyNAS products and use a Wandboard to run LMS. I tried LMS on the Wandboard yesterday and it is very fast. You can find more about this project over at the Linux section of this forum http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98544-Community-Squeeze-OS-R3 It can even be used as a Squeezebox. Great! Where can I find a starter guide (purchase, parts, setup, ...)? Thanks, gregb gregb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98709 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
