Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
haunyack;257460 Wrote: > Open source (Linux,Slim,et hoc genus omne)...opportunity cost. > Go ahead and brag about your apparent ease of use (the the Linux user > mantra). > I've spent more time "fiddling" with the Linux model than I ever have > Windows. > > To each his own. > I maintain Linux servers for a living which means I mainly do other things since I don't really do any fiddling. (Project of the month: fixing software for Windows that the company spent tens of thousands of dollars on... by replacing it with software on Linux that I downloaded and configured in less than an hour... fortunately it is not my job to tell management why they wasted money on expensive servers with expensive software when they could have done the same thing for free...) Ironically most of the time I now spend waiting for the Windows people to figure out how to automate something like wget to grab my auto-generated output... Took a morning to get the code done and now sitting at 3 work days for them to figure out what is a simple cron'd "wget --mirror" or rsync on Linux -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
reverber;258462 Wrote: > ...see also "thread crap." > > > Cody Maybe I was not clear. Let's say that I built a new pc and installed Windows XP myself. I probaby would not bother to start a thread boasting of a problem free clean install. That would be as you say ,"thread crap" . -- haunyack Transporter -> Box-O-Wires (audiophile grade) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature . haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
haunyack;257460 Wrote: > > I've spent more time "fiddling" with the Linux model than I ever have > Windows. > > To each his own. > . ...see also "thread crap." Cody -- reverber reverber's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
haunyack;257460 Wrote: > Go ahead and brag about your apparent ease of use (the the Linux user > mantra). > I've spent more time "fiddling" with the Linux model than I ever have > Windows. > > To each his own. > > . Well, you are erm, how shall I put it...retired :P -- egd Thecus N5200PRO >> Transporter >> ATC SCA2 >> ATC SCM100SLAT egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
haunyack wrote: > I've spent more time "fiddling" with the Linux model than I ever have > Windows. Sorry to hear that. My experience has been the exact reverse: after fiddling with Slimserver + MusicMagic/MusicIP under WinXP for years, I switched to Ubuntu GNU/Linux and have spent my time just enjoying the music. So in my case 'ease of use' isn't a mantra, just a report of my experience. I suppose, as you say, people's experience simply differs. ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
egd;256947 Wrote: > Ubuntu ... Windows... Open source (Linux,Slim,et hoc genus omne)...opportunity cost. Go ahead and brag about your apparent ease of use (the the Linux user mantra). I've spent more time "fiddling" with the Linux model than I ever have Windows. To each his own. . -- haunyack Happy Leap Year! haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
egd Wrote: > ...I still find... mp3tag indispensable for managing FLAC metadata. > Unfortunately, Linux doesn't yet IMHO have credible alternatives in > this space. I recently discovered that mp3tag runs extremely well under Wine on my Ubuntu Feisty box. Can't tell you how pleased I am not to have to turn on my WinXP box more or less ever now! :-) -- Diana -- Diana Diana's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7463 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
servies;257283 Wrote: > This way of building a kernel gives slightly more overhead and a bit > bigger kernel but it runs on almost everything... and is the default > choice for people building distributions. And the best part of that is that > despite the larger than perhaps necessary kernel, my machines all boot Linux and are ready for use in a fraction of the time it takes xp and/ or w2k3 to fire up on the same box. The more experience I get with Linux the clearer it becomes just how poorly coded microsoft's operating systems are. Apart from mp3tag and Total Commander I have no use for any variant of windows. I still find Total Commander the most convenient way of doing file management and mp3tag indispensable for managing FLAC metadata. Unfortunately, Linux doesn't yet have credible alternatives in this space. -- egd Thecus N5200PRO >> Transporter >> ATC SCA2 >> ATC SCM100SLAT egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
bobkoure;257226 Wrote: > The windows issue is the HAL (hardware adaptation layer). In earlier > versions of NT, you could swap hardware, stick your NT CD in, boot to > that CD, run "repair" and that would replace your old HAL with the > right one. > This went to "sometimes worked" in Win2K, and they seem to have > completely disabled it in XP/2K3. > > I was an NT driver developer at one point and got to see this stuff "up > close and personal". > > The driver and HAL architecture is actually not bad - but the fact that > they just abandoned efforts to make the HAL reloadable is, indeed, an > example of what's wrong with closed source software... The problem windows has here is that it doesn't have the drivers on disk. In Ubuntu Linux every possible driver there is is compiled as a module so that it is loaded if the corresponding hardware is being found. This way of building a kernel gives slightly more overhead and a bit bigger kernel but it runs on almost everything -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
The windows issue is the HAL (hardware adaptation layer). In earlier versions of NT, you could swap hardware, stick your NT CD in, boot to that CD, run "repair" and that would replace your old HAL with the right one. This went to "sometimes worked" in Win2K, and they seem to have completely disabled it in XP/2K3. I was an NT driver developer at one point and got to see this stuff "up close and personal". The driver and HAL architecture is actually not bad - but the fact that they just abandoned efforts to make the HAL reloadable is, indeed, an example of what's wrong with closed source software... -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
funkstar;257147 Wrote: > True Windows should be able to deal with it better, but it isn't > completely MS's fault. I'd accept that argument because I know that chipsets > and associated drivers are often times buggy, especially when first released. However, Linux doesn't appear to have the same problems in this space. Where Linux does suffer is in that new hardware isn't necessarily readily supported when first released, however, this is becoming increasingly isolated. -- egd Thecus N5200PRO >> Transporter >> ATC SCA2 >> ATC SCM100SLAT egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
You know, part of this problem is motherboard and chipset manufacturers and their oh so reliable chipset driver packs? :) True Windows should be able to deal with it better, but it isn't completely MS's fault. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
I've just spent the last four hours of my life trying to coax some life back into a Windows XP installation after moving the hard drive into a new machine. My dual booting Kubuntu worked first time no problems. So I'm impressed too! -- Muggy Muggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2258 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
egd;256947 Wrote: > I've just upgraded/ replaced my Linux PC's motherboard for the 3rd time > without once having had to reinstall the OS or in fact do anything > other than replace the hardware of my choosing. I've gone from an Abit > to an Intel to an Asus board, each having different chipsets, with the > Asus being a X38. With each change, Ubuntu has booted without a single > hiccup. Try that in Windows and see what happens... A small mushroom cloud will develop in your lounge... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
[SlimDevices: Unix] OT: I'm impressed
I've just upgraded/ replaced my Linux PC's motherboard for the 3rd time without once having had to reinstall the OS or in fact do anything other than replace the hardware of my choosing. I've gone from an Abit to an Intel to an Asus board, each having different chipsets, with the Asus being a X38. With each change, Ubuntu has booted without a single hiccup. Try that in Windows and see what happens... -- egd Thecus N5200PRO >> Transporter >> ATC SCA2 >> ATC SCM100SLAT egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42028 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
