Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 09/01/2011 01:28 AM, Timothy Miller wrote:

On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:

For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness  is that, participant have 
to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold nothing 
value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the ego with the 
illusion of certainty.

All these marvellous tools presuppose the above. And to have the above means 
starting with children when they are 4-5-6 and NOT cramping their precious 
minds with the Gradgrind school of FACTS, but letting them flower in an 
environment conducive to their arriving at conclusions by themselves.

*Everyone* has an opinion about how to increase intelligence, motivation or 
instructional success among school-aged children. No one actually knows how. 
According to the principle of supply and demand, these opinions have no value. 
There is an infinite supply of them and no particular demand.

These are not matters for casual speculation. These are questions that can be 
resolved by scientific research. At the moment, no one actually knows how to 
solve these problems.

Solutions might be devised. Hope springs eternal. Still, there's no reason to 
suppose a good answer even exists.


Kurt Hahn and A.S. Neill certainly had good answers.


Tim
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Re: Open Externals for Livecode

[Trevor DeVore]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Glen Bojsza  wrote:

> There has always been a lot of discussion around open externals and as such
> I would like to put the first (I think ) step forward.
>
> I would like to make the following contribution.
>
> *The following is complete and available now* - external binaries and
> source
> code for supporting libssh library  (www.libssh.org)
>

Glen sent me the files and I have posted them to GitHub.

https://github.com/trevordevore/SSH-External-for-LiveCode

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems

LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com
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Default Button

[Pete]

I put a default button a card that has a couple of field controls on it.
 The field controls all have lockText set to true and traversalOn set to
false.  Pressing the return key when the card is active does not execute the
mouseUp handler for the default button as claimed by the dictionary.  Is
there some other setting of the card/button/controls that I have to use?
Pete
Molly's Revenge 
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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Admin]

  

Regardless of whether or not it exists, it still did not make
android deployment work. I cannot even test on android systems. 

This
is SERIOUSLY bothering me. First the revlet player causes me to lose my
biggest client due to it being completely broken and now this. Hopefully
it works and this is just a small glitch. 

Mike 

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011
16:10:56 -0700, Bob Sneidar wrote: 

> I can neither confirm nor deny
the existence, or lack thereof, in regards to any claim or supposition
that may or may not have been made, in reference to a version 4.6.4 of a
rumored Livecode product. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM,
Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4
> 
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RE: [OT] Mediocre Britain

[John Dixon]

This thread has got a little silly... Eric Idle probably has it all summed up 
in the last two lines of the 'galaxy song'..

and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!

Dixie


> On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
> > On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> >> For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness  is that, participant 
> >> have to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can 
> >> hold nothing value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the 
> >> ego with the illusion of certainty.
> > 
> > All these marvellous tools presuppose the above. And to have the above 
> > means starting with children when they are 4-5-6 and NOT cramping their 
> > precious minds with the Gradgrind school of FACTS, but letting them flower 
> > in an environment conducive to their arriving at conclusions by themselves.
> 
> *Everyone* has an opinion about how to increase intelligence, motivation or 
> instructional success among school-aged children. No one actually knows how. 
> According to the principle of supply and demand, these opinions have no 
> value. There is an infinite supply of them and no particular demand.
> 
> These are not matters for casual speculation. These are questions that can be 
> resolved by scientific research. At the moment, no one actually knows how to 
> solve these problems.
> 
> Solutions might be devised. Hope springs eternal. Still, there's no reason to 
> suppose a good answer even exists. 
> 
> Tim
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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Bob Sneidar]

I can neither confirm nor deny the existence, or lack thereof, in regards to 
any claim or supposition that may or may not have been made, in reference to a 
version 4.6.4 of a rumored Livecode product. 

Bob


On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4


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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Admin]

  

Forget it. I found the folder. 

Mike 

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011
17:41:46 -0500, Admin wrote: 

> According to that article: 
> 
> 2) In
there should be a sub folder
> named platforms and a sub folder named
platform-tools. Within the
> platforms folder should be a folder named
android-8. Create a new folder
> in the android-8 folder and name it
"tools". 
> 
> That folder (android-8)
> does not exist on the PC. I am
not on the Mac. 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug
> 2011 23:19:42 +0100,
Bernard Devlin wrote:
> 
>> This bug and the
> 
> workaround was already
discussed in the comments on
> 
>> this
> 
> Livecode/Android lesson
(see comment by Michael
McCreary):http://lessons.runrev.com/manuals/2571/lessons/27389 [3][3]
>
So, whilst there may be much secret sauce in 4.6.4, 
> 
> that this
bug
> 4.6.4 has already been recognised 
>> 
>> thr
> e> official
channels :) (
> 
>> "cite" style="padding-left:5px;
border-left:#1010ff
> argin-left:5px; width:100%">that paths to SDK
files were 
> 
> coded into the script. Surely such an
> th:100%">You're
allowed to a
> Aug 31, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Thomas 
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> McGrath III
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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Admin]

  

According to that article: 

2) In there should be a sub folder
named platforms and a sub folder named platform-tools. Within the
platforms folder should be a folder named android-8. Create a new folder
in the android-8 folder and name it "tools". 

That folder (android-8)
does not exist on the PC. I am not on the Mac. 

Mike 

On Wed, 31 Aug
2011 23:19:42 +0100, Bernard Devlin wrote: 

> This bug and the
workaround was already discussed in the comments on
> this
Livecode/Android lesson (see comment by Michael McCreary):
>
http://lessons.runrev.com/manuals/2571/lessons/27389 [3]
> 
> [I wish
I'd read the comments before I'd ploughed through the
> instructions 3
times, and before working out the bugs for myself in
> the Livecode
debugger).
> 
> Also, the replacement DX file is to be found in a thread
on the forum.
> 
> So, whilst there may be much secret sauce in 4.6.4,
that this bug
> exists and is fixed in 4.6.4 has already been recognised
through some
> official channels :)
> 
> (TBH I was rather surprised
when digging into the code to find out
> that paths to SDK files were
coded into the script. Surely such an
> external dependency should be in
a config file that is read from the
> filesystem when needed?)
> 
>
Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>

>> You're allowed to admit that? On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Thomas
McGrath III wrote: 
>> 
>>> There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4
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Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

[Timothy Miller]

On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:
>> For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness  is that, participant 
>> have to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold 
>> nothing value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the ego with 
>> the illusion of certainty.
> 
> All these marvellous tools presuppose the above. And to have the above means 
> starting with children when they are 4-5-6 and NOT cramping their precious 
> minds with the Gradgrind school of FACTS, but letting them flower in an 
> environment conducive to their arriving at conclusions by themselves.

*Everyone* has an opinion about how to increase intelligence, motivation or 
instructional success among school-aged children. No one actually knows how. 
According to the principle of supply and demand, these opinions have no value. 
There is an infinite supply of them and no particular demand.

These are not matters for casual speculation. These are questions that can be 
resolved by scientific research. At the moment, no one actually knows how to 
solve these problems.

Solutions might be devised. Hope springs eternal. Still, there's no reason to 
suppose a good answer even exists. 

Tim
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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Bernard Devlin]

This bug and the workaround was already discussed in the comments on
this Livecode/Android lesson (see comment by Michael McCreary):
http://lessons.runrev.com/manuals/2571/lessons/27389

[I wish I'd read the comments before I'd ploughed through the
instructions 3 times, and before working out the bugs for myself in
the Livecode debugger).

Also, the replacement DX file is to be found in a thread on the forum.

So, whilst there may be much secret sauce in 4.6.4, that this bug
exists and is fixed in 4.6.4 has already been recognised through some
official channels :)

(TBH I was rather surprised when digging into the code to find out
that paths to SDK files were coded into the script.  Surely such an
external dependency should be in a config file that is read from the
filesystem when needed?)

Bernard

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:
> You're allowed to admit that?
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4
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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Thomas McGrath III]

:)



On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> You're allowed to admit that?
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4
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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Colin Holgate]

You're allowed to admit that?


On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4

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Re: Sound formats on Android

[Thomas McGrath III]

There is an NDA in effect for 4.6.4


On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> 4.6.4 is not released yet. It's in prelease on for pre-release program
> participants. The bug report gives an easy workaround. This bug appeared
> when "SDK Platform Android 2.2, API 8, Revision 1" was updated to "SDK
> Platform Android 2.2, API 8, Revision 2"
> Do you have access to the bug reports?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Admin
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:38 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: RE: Sound formats on Android
> 
> 
> 
> Ralph, 
> 
> OK. And where do we get 4.6.4 - is it available for d/l
> yet? 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:40:32 -0400, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> 
> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> Check out this bug report #9682--Livecode 4.6.3 GM2
> or earlier does not
>> recognize Android SDK
>> This is fixed for all
> 4.6.4 incarnations.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
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>> -Original Message-
>> From:
> use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [1]
>> 
> [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [2]] On Behalf Of Admin
>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:42 PM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> 
> Subject: Re: Sound formats on Android
>> 
>> Good job! My guess would be
> the android OS and not Live Code.
>> Sounds like a encoder/decoder issue.
> 
>> 
>> Personally, I am having a hell of
>> a time deploying to android. I
> wrote a small app to test sounds and
>> found out I could not deploy it
> properly, even though in another program
>> I can deploy to android
> without a problem. 
>> 
>> I re-installed the android
>> SDK, installed all
> packages and tried again, but the android plugin in
>> Live Code does not
> like the old or new SDK and says "That is not a
>> useable Android SDK
> root. Missing aapt tool. Make sure your sdk install
>> has not become
> corrupted". I re-doiwnloaded the SDK twice and both times
>> it
> downloaded 100% and installed without incident. 
>> 
>> Also, in running
>> 
> the SDK manager, if you try to run any of the Android Virtual Devices
> (I
>> made one representing my Aconia tablet and my HTC Evo, plus the
> stock
>> one), it does not start and gives this error: "Invalid command
> line
>> command: FILES". 
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated. 
>> 
>> Mike 
>> 
>> 
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2011
>> 15:24:28 -0400, Roger Eller wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue,
> Aug 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM,
>> 
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
 On 8/30/11
> 12:06 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 Wow Jacque! What kind of hell
> did you have to go through to get to
>>> 
>>> that conclusion?
>> lid;
> margin-left:5px; width:100%"> Three days worth. The light actually came
> on because 
>> 
>> of a bug in an older versi> ich wasn't at all what I
> wanted. Upgrading to the latest Audacity fixed that problem. I'd already
> upgraded when I posted. Then I got to thinking back and I remembered
> that I d
>> ar one of the sounds when it was 10 seconds long. I wish I'd
> remembered that earlier. I'm still not sure what the exact cutoff is for
> sound length on Android, but 1 second fixed it for me and I'm tired of
> messing with it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> [3] [1] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com [4][2] It
> would be interesting to find 
>> 
>> out whether it is the LC engine or
> IDE -
>> relative to Android, or is it 
>> 
>> Android itself that is
> imposing this minimum
>> sound length. 
>> 
>> ~Roger
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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Matthias Rebbe]

And i think it is on for  Sat Sep 3rd   ;)

Matthias

Am 31.08.2011 um 23:20 schrieb Jim Ault:

> On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Mike Felker wrote:
>> So nothing for this weekend?  I thought this was for this weekend.
>> Mike
>> 
> 
> Semantics.
> I think it is on  for   Sat   Aug 3rd
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
>> Björnke von Gierke  wrote:
>> 
>>> cool, so we'll go forward with this for next weekend. Mark will manage, and 
>>> also do a proper announcement.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, so long as there's some part of that which is inside LiveCode.
 
 
 On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Felker wrote:
 
> How about asset creation / import into Franklin 3D.  Does that sound good?
 
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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Jim Ault]

On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Mike Felker wrote:

So nothing for this weekend?  I thought this was for this weekend.
Mike



Semantics.
I think it is on  for   Sat   Aug 3rd

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


Björnke von Gierke  wrote:

cool, so we'll go forward with this for next weekend. Mark will  
manage, and also do a proper announcement.


On 31 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Colin Holgate wrote:


Yes, so long as there's some part of that which is inside LiveCode.


On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Felker wrote:

How about asset creation / import into Franklin 3D.  Does that  
sound good?


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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Björnke von Gierke]

this, sorry my bad

On 31 Aug 2011, at 23:15, Mike Felker wrote:

> So nothing for this weekend?  I thought this was for this weekend.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Björnke von Gierke  wrote:
> 
>> cool, so we'll go forward with this for next weekend. Mark will manage, and 
>> also do a proper announcement.
>> 
>> On 31 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, so long as there's some part of that which is inside LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Felker wrote:
>>> 
 How about asset creation / import into Franklin 3D.  Does that sound good?
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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Mike Felker]

So nothing for this weekend?  I thought this was for this weekend.

Mike

Björnke von Gierke  wrote:

>cool, so we'll go forward with this for next weekend. Mark will manage, and 
>also do a proper announcement.
>
>On 31 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Colin Holgate wrote:
>
>> Yes, so long as there's some part of that which is inside LiveCode.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Felker wrote:
>> 
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cool, so we'll go forward with this for next weekend. Mark will manage, and 
also do a proper announcement.

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> 
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RE: Sound formats on Android

[Ralph DiMola]

Mike,

4.6.4 is not released yet. It's in prelease on for pre-release program
participants. The bug report gives an easy workaround. This bug appeared
when "SDK Platform Android 2.2, API 8, Revision 1" was updated to "SDK
Platform Android 2.2, API 8, Revision 2"
Do you have access to the bug reports?

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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Admin
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:38 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: RE: Sound formats on Android

  

Ralph, 

OK. And where do we get 4.6.4 - is it available for d/l
yet? 

Mike 

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:40:32 -0400, Ralph DiMola wrote:


> Mike,
> 
> Check out this bug report #9682--Livecode 4.6.3 GM2
or earlier does not
> recognize Android SDK
> This is fixed for all
4.6.4 incarnations.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen
Information Services
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
> Cell: 518-796-9332
>

> -Original Message-
> From:
use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [1]
>
[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [2]] On Behalf Of Admin
>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:42 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
>
Subject: Re: Sound formats on Android
> 
> Good job! My guess would be
the android OS and not Live Code.
> Sounds like a encoder/decoder issue.

> 
> Personally, I am having a hell of
> a time deploying to android. I
wrote a small app to test sounds and
> found out I could not deploy it
properly, even though in another program
> I can deploy to android
without a problem. 
> 
> I re-installed the android
> SDK, installed all
packages and tried again, but the android plugin in
> Live Code does not
like the old or new SDK and says "That is not a
> useable Android SDK
root. Missing aapt tool. Make sure your sdk install
> has not become
corrupted". I re-doiwnloaded the SDK twice and both times
> it
downloaded 100% and installed without incident. 
> 
> Also, in running
>
the SDK manager, if you try to run any of the Android Virtual Devices
(I
> made one representing my Aconia tablet and my HTC Evo, plus the
stock
> one), it does not start and gives this error: "Invalid command
line
> command: FILES". 
> 
> Any help is appreciated. 
> 
> Mike 
> 
>
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011
> 15:24:28 -0400, Roger Eller wrote:
> 
>> On Tue,
Aug 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM,
> 
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> On 8/30/11
12:06 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Wow Jacque! What kind of hell
did you have to go through to get to
>> 
>> that conclusion?
> lid;
margin-left:5px; width:100%"> Three days worth. The light actually came
on because 
> 
> of a bug in an older versi> ich wasn't at all what I
wanted. Upgrading to the latest Audacity fixed that problem. I'd already
upgraded when I posted. Then I got to thinking back and I remembered
that I d
> ar one of the sounds when it was 10 seconds long. I wish I'd
remembered that earlier. I'm still not sure what the exact cutoff is for
sound length on Android, but 1 second fixed it for me and I'm tired of
messing with it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
[3] [1] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com [4][2] It
would be interesting to find 
> 
> out whether it is the LC engine or
IDE -
> relative to Android, or is it 
> 
> Android itself that is
imposing this minimum
> sound length. 
> 
> ~Roger
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RE: Sound formats on Android

[Admin]

  

Ralph, 

OK. And where do we get 4.6.4 - is it available for d/l
yet? 

Mike 

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:40:32 -0400, Ralph DiMola wrote:


> Mike,
> 
> Check out this bug report #9682--Livecode 4.6.3 GM2
or earlier does not
> recognize Android SDK
> This is fixed for all
4.6.4 incarnations.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen
Information Services
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
> Cell: 518-796-9332
>

> -Original Message-
> From:
use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [1]
>
[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [2]] On Behalf Of Admin
>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:42 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
>
Subject: Re: Sound formats on Android
> 
> Good job! My guess would be
the android OS and not Live Code.
> Sounds like a encoder/decoder issue.

> 
> Personally, I am having a hell of
> a time deploying to android. I
wrote a small app to test sounds and
> found out I could not deploy it
properly, even though in another program
> I can deploy to android
without a problem. 
> 
> I re-installed the android
> SDK, installed all
packages and tried again, but the android plugin in
> Live Code does not
like the old or new SDK and says "That is not a
> useable Android SDK
root. Missing aapt tool. Make sure your sdk install
> has not become
corrupted". I re-doiwnloaded the SDK twice and both times
> it
downloaded 100% and installed without incident. 
> 
> Also, in running
>
the SDK manager, if you try to run any of the Android Virtual Devices
(I
> made one representing my Aconia tablet and my HTC Evo, plus the
stock
> one), it does not start and gives this error: "Invalid command
line
> command: FILES". 
> 
> Any help is appreciated. 
> 
> Mike 
> 
>
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011
> 15:24:28 -0400, Roger Eller wrote:
> 
>> On Tue,
Aug 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM,
> 
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> On 8/30/11
12:06 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Wow Jacque! What kind of hell
did you have to go through to get to
>> 
>> that conclusion?
> lid;
margin-left:5px; width:100%"> Three days worth. The light actually came
on because 
> 
> of a bug in an older versi> ich wasn't at all what I
wanted. Upgrading to the latest Audacity fixed that problem. I'd already
upgraded when I posted. Then I got to thinking back and I remembered
that I d
> ar one of the sounds when it was 10 seconds long. I wish I'd
remembered that earlier. I'm still not sure what the exact cutoff is for
sound length on Android, but 1 second fixed it for me and I'm tired of
messing with it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
[3] [1] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com [4][2] It
would be interesting to find 
> 
> out whether it is the LC engine or
IDE -
> relative to Android, or is it 
> 
> Android itself that is
imposing this minimum
> sound length. 
> 
> ~Roger
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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Colin Holgate]

Yes, so long as there's some part of that which is inside LiveCode.


On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Felker wrote:

> How about asset creation / import into Franklin 3D.  Does that sound good?

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RE: Sound formats on Android

[Ralph DiMola]

Mike,

Check out this bug report #9682--Livecode 4.6.3 GM2 or earlier does not
recognize Android SDK
This is fixed for all 4.6.4 incarnations.

Ralph DiMola
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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Admin
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:42 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Sound formats on Android

  

Good job! My guess would be the android OS and not Live Code.
Sounds like a encoder/decoder issue. 

Personally, I am having a hell of
a time deploying to android. I wrote a small app to test sounds and
found out I could not deploy it properly, even though in another program
I can deploy to android without a problem. 

I re-installed the android
SDK, installed all packages and tried again, but the android plugin in
Live Code does not like the old or new SDK and says "That is not a
useable Android SDK root. Missing aapt tool. Make sure your sdk install
has not become corrupted". I re-doiwnloaded the SDK twice and both times
it downloaded 100% and installed without incident. 

Also, in running
the SDK manager, if you try to run any of the Android Virtual Devices (I
made one representing my Aconia tablet and my HTC Evo, plus the stock
one), it does not start and gives this error: "Invalid command line
command: FILES". 

Any help is appreciated. 

Mike 

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011
15:24:28 -0400, Roger Eller wrote: 

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM,
J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 8/30/11 12:06 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: 
>>

>>> Wow Jacque! What kind of hell did you have to go through to get to
that conclusion?
>> Three days worth. The light actually came on because
of a bug in an older version of Audacity I was using. When saving short
sound files it was adding 10 seconds of silence to the end, which wasn't
at all what I wanted. Upgrading to the latest Audacity fixed that
problem. I'd already upgraded when I posted. Then I got to thinking back
and I remembered that I did in fact hear one of the sounds when it was
10 seconds long. I wish I'd remembered that earlier. I'm still not sure
what the exact cutoff is for sound length on Android, but 1 second fixed
it for me and I'm tired of messing with it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |
jac...@hyperactivesw.com [1] HyperActive Software |
http://www.hyperactivesw.com [2]
> 
> It would be interesting to find
out whether it is the LC engine or IDE -
> relative to Android, or is it
Android itself that is imposing this minimum
> sound length.
> 
>
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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Mike Felker]

How about asset creation / import into Franklin 3D.  Does that sound good?

Mike

Colin Holgate  wrote:

>For your part, you would be trying to show how some 3D things can be done in 
>LiveCode, which I think would mean showing Franklin. Even if it's just how to 
>get started, it may save viewers some time figuring it out for themselves.
>
>Normally I just live demo, but for this case I do have some screen recordings 
>that I will show, and live narrate. I'll record that as usual, and also show a 
>link to the screen recordings. The recordings total about 20 minutes, and I'll 
>show what I'm currently working on too, so I should be done in about 40 
>minutes.
>
>You could if you want to have some recordings of other tools, or maybe even 
>just a few youtube links. You would have 45 minutes or so for showing things.
>
>
>On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Mike Felker wrote:
>
>> What would you like me to focus on?  How long do I have?
>
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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Colin Holgate]

For your part, you would be trying to show how some 3D things can be done in 
LiveCode, which I think would mean showing Franklin. Even if it's just how to 
get started, it may save viewers some time figuring it out for themselves.

Normally I just live demo, but for this case I do have some screen recordings 
that I will show, and live narrate. I'll record that as usual, and also show a 
link to the screen recordings. The recordings total about 20 minutes, and I'll 
show what I'm currently working on too, so I should be done in about 40 minutes.

You could if you want to have some recordings of other tools, or maybe even 
just a few youtube links. You would have 45 minutes or so for showing things.


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> What would you like me to focus on?  How long do I have?

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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Mike Felker]

What would you like me to focus on?  How long do I have?  I would rather record 
screen casts than present live. I can chat live for questions. Realize how new 
I am to live code. I have unity and Shiva 3d as well. I've been messing with 
game engines for years. I also have dark basic pro, blitz 3d and others. 

Mike

Colin Holgate  wrote:

>Mike, would you find enough time between now and Saturday afternoon to learn 
>enough to show how you got started with Franklin? I know you haven't got 
>started with it yet, but if you do that now, it would be fresh in your mind!
>
>
>On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Admin wrote:
>
>> I do own Franklin 3D and do have many 3D animation and
>> modelling programs, so I could be of help there. However, I am new to
>> Franklin, which is, from what I understand, the Irrlicht 3D engine. 
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Re: Back to the mailing list - urlProgress

[Roger Eller]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:58 AM, dev digifilm wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> Just a friendly warning. I am back. This would be the time to set your
> filters and rules.
>
> :-)
>
> I need some help with:
>
> urlProgress url, "loading", bytesReceived , [ bytesTotal ]
>
> Is there an example.
>
> I found this stack:
> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/files/17?lesson_id=7285
> but it's not compatible with iOS.
>
> Thanks,
> Debdoot
>
>
This is an old "how to", but hopefully still relevant.  I have not crossed
this bridge on mobile yet.

http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/7285-How-to-show-the-progress-of-a-download

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Re: [ANN] LiveCode.tv event #36

[Colin Holgate]

Yes, I can do that. No reply from Lynn yet, but I've just proposed something to 
Mike, maybe he would be up for handling part of the meeting.


On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

> ah, i thought you said that's too soon? will you do unity this week?
> 

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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Colin Holgate]

Mike, would you find enough time between now and Saturday afternoon to learn 
enough to show how you got started with Franklin? I know you haven't got 
started with it yet, but if you do that now, it would be fresh in your mind!


On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Admin wrote:

> I do own Franklin 3D and do have many 3D animation and
> modelling programs, so I could be of help there. However, I am new to
> Franklin, which is, from what I understand, the Irrlicht 3D engine. 

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Back to the mailing list - urlProgress

[dev digifilm]

Greetings All,

Just a friendly warning. I am back. This would be the time to set your filters 
and rules.

:-)

I need some help with:

urlProgress url, "loading", bytesReceived , [ bytesTotal ]

Is there an example.

I found this stack:
http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/files/17?lesson_id=7285
but it's not compatible with iOS.

Thanks,
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Re: Mobile devices and barcodes

[stephen barncard]

If you control both ends of the system and it mainly involves mobile
applications, consider using QR
codes,
which are designed for that purpose.


On 31 August 2011 00:00, Malte Brill  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am looking into taking a picture of a barcode with a mobile device (must
> be working on Android and iOs) and then reads out the data. It should be
> able to read the barcode even if it is not 100% straight up, but also when
> the picture is slightly rotated (currently I am just looking into Code128
> barcodes). Has anyone been working on something like this and would care to
> share some input?
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
>
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Re: [ANN] LiveCode.tv event #36

[Björnke von Gierke]

ah, i thought you said that's too soon? will you do unity this week?


On 31 Aug 2011, at 15:58, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Is that the same event as the one I was talking to you about doing Unity at?
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>> There will be no event this week, due to lack of presenters.
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Re: [ANN] LiveCode.tv event #36

[Colin Holgate]

Is that the same event as the one I was talking to you about doing Unity at?


On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

> There will be no event this week, due to lack of presenters.

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Re: [ANN] LiveCode.tv event #36

[Björnke von Gierke]

oops forgot to link marks presentation materials:
http://blog.livecode.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Mark-Event-36.zip

On 31 Aug 2011, at 15:44, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

> Wrap up information:
> 
> Tim's childrens playbook for iPad (made with LC) is awesome, but he did not 
> record and therefore the awesome is withheld from you.
> 
> 
> Mark explained a lot of things about default buttons, and can be watched here:
> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16912901
> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16913168
> 
> There will be no event this week, due to lack of presenters.
> 
> On 24 Aug 2011, at 22:18, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>> To interested Parties
>> 
>> This weekend, Tim Bobo will show us "Interactive Movie Applications in iOS" 
>> and in the process explain a few tricks about developing for iOS.
>> 
>> After that, Mark Schonewille will talk about the glowing default button of 
>> Mac OS X, and how to create one that does not increases your apps processor 
>> demands to 100%.
>> 
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Re: [ANN] LiveCode.tv event #36

[Björnke von Gierke]

Wrap up information:

Tim's childrens playbook for iPad (made with LC) is awesome, but he did not 
record and therefore the awesome is withheld from you.


Mark explained a lot of things about default buttons, and can be watched here:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16912901
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16913168

There will be no event this week, due to lack of presenters.

On 24 Aug 2011, at 22:18, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

> To interested Parties
> 
> This weekend, Tim Bobo will show us "Interactive Movie Applications in iOS" 
> and in the process explain a few tricks about developing for iOS.
> 
> After that, Mark Schonewille will talk about the glowing default button of 
> Mac OS X, and how to create one that does not increases your apps processor 
> demands to 100%.
> 
> Join ChatRev to watch, on Saturday 20:00 CET.  Go to 
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ 
> or enter in the message box:
> go stack URL “http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev”
> 
> Sat. 20:00 Rome
> Sat. 19:00 London
> Sat. 14:00 New York
> Sat. 11:00 Los Angeles
> Sun. 2:00 Beijing
> 
> See you in ChatRev, or watch previously recorded shows on http://livecode.tv/
> Björnke
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Fwd: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Keith Clarke]

> I forgot the MacZot link to the Keynotopia bundle offer 
> http://keynotopia.com/maczot/
> 
> If not interesting as an aid to prototyping in and of itself, the template 
> examples may inspire new LiveCode tool ideas(?)
> 
> Best,
> Keith..
> 
> Sent from my iPhone - please excuse brevity & typos!
> 
>> Great idea Colin. I'd be happy to get involved, though my knowledge of tools 
>> is limited to the (ab)use of various COTS (commodity, off the shelf) tools 
>> to support techniques in the 'pre-BA' space - before one lifts the hood for 
>> development. However, if anyone is interested in upstream tasks such as 
>> process and requirements capture - or the basics of product and proposition 
>> management, product marketing, etc - maybe I can chip-in some ideas I have 
>> picked up along the way.
>> 
>> Coincidentally, talking of complementary tools, does anyone have a view on 
>> the current version of Keynotopia for Keynote/PowerPoint/impress as an 
>> alternative prototyping / wire-framing tool to the likes of Balsamiq? I tend 
>> to use Curio for initial designs and software specifications but MacZot is 
>> doing a $49 bundle offer for the complete set of libraries. I wonder whether 
>> this offers anything over and above researching and collecting a personal 
>> set of image files?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Keith..
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Aug 2011, at 05:03, Colin Holgate  wrote:
>> 
>>> At the Live LiveCode meetings we don't always have a presenter, and it's a 
>>> shame to miss a week here or there, so I've suggested doing some meetings 
>>> on "other tools". That is, other authoring tools that a client might ask 
>>> you if you know about, or they may ask you whether that other tool might be 
>>> better than LiveCode for a given job.

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Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:

For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness  is that, participant have 
to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold nothing 
value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the ego with the 
illusion of certainty.


All these marvellous tools presuppose the above. And to have the above 
means starting with children when they are 4-5-6 and NOT cramping their 
precious minds with the Gradgrind school of FACTS, but letting them 
flower in an environment conducive to their arriving at conclusions by 
themselves.



Best,
Keith..

On 30 Aug 2011, at 21:47, Bob Sneidar  wrote:


Looks like a toolbox full of tools that specialize in opening locked boxes, one 
of the tools being the key that unlocks that particular box. That key, in this 
analogy, is the willingness of all those involved to change their minds if they 
have to, in order to get to the bottom of things. Bar that, and none of the 
other tools will work very well. Given that, any number of other tools might 
help.

A great man once said, "Virtually all of mankind's ills can be traced back to the human 
trait of being unwilling or unable to say, "I might be mistaken." Wait, I said that!!

Bob

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Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

[Keith Clarke]

For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness  is that, participant have 
to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold nothing 
value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the ego with the 
illusion of certainty.

Best,
Keith..

On 30 Aug 2011, at 21:47, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Looks like a toolbox full of tools that specialize in opening locked boxes, 
> one of the tools being the key that unlocks that particular box. That key, in 
> this analogy, is the willingness of all those involved to change their minds 
> if they have to, in order to get to the bottom of things. Bar that, and none 
> of the other tools will work very well. Given that, any number of other tools 
> might help. 
> 
> A great man once said, "Virtually all of mankind's ills can be traced back to 
> the human trait of being unwilling or unable to say, "I might be mistaken." 
> Wait, I said that!!
> 
> Bob

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Re: Live LiveCode "other tools" topics

[Keith Clarke]

Great idea Colin. I'd be happy to get involved, though my knowledge of tools is 
limited to the (ab)use of various COTS (commodity, off the shelf) tools to 
support techniques in the 'pre-BA' space - before one lifts the hood for 
development. However, if anyone is interested in upstream tasks such as process 
and requirements capture - or the basics of product and proposition management, 
product marketing, etc - maybe I can chip-in some ideas I have picked up along 
the way.

Coincidentally, talking of complementary tools, does anyone have a view on the 
current version of Keynotopia for Keynote/PowerPoint/impress as an alternative 
prototyping / wire-framing tool to the likes of Balsamiq? I tend to use Curio 
for initial designs and software specifications but MacZot is doing a $49 
bundle offer for the complete set of libraries. I wonder whether this offers 
anything over and above researching and collecting a personal set of image 
files?

Best,
Keith..

Sent from my iPhone

On 31 Aug 2011, at 05:03, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> At the Live LiveCode meetings we don't always have a presenter, and it's a 
> shame to miss a week here or there, so I've suggested doing some meetings on 
> "other tools". That is, other authoring tools that a client might ask you if 
> you know about, or they may ask you whether that other tool might be better 
> than LiveCode for a given job.

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Magic Trackpad

[René Micout]

Hello,
How is it possible to detect position of a touch (zone) on Apple Magic Trackpad 
from LiveCode ?
By example : http://www.mobeetechnology.com/products/the-magic-numpad.html
Sorry for my strange sentence...
Bon souvenir de Paris
René
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Re: Mobile devices and barcodes

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 08/31/2011 10:00 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking into taking a picture of a barcode with a mobile device (must be 
working on Android and iOs) and then reads out the data. It should be able to 
read the barcode even if it is not 100% straight up, but also when the picture 
is slightly rotated (currently I am just looking into Code128 barcodes). Has 
anyone been working on something like this


No, I haven't . . .  :)

However . . . a quick google search found this:

http://code.google.com/p/zxing/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.biggu.shopsavvy&feature=related_apps

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ScanLife&feature=related_apps

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ixellence.ixmat.android.community&feature=related_apps

probably not a lot of good, but just a thought . . .

  and would care to share some input?

All the best,

Malte


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Mobile devices and barcodes

[Malte Brill]

Hi all,

I am looking into taking a picture of a barcode with a mobile device (must be 
working on Android and iOs) and then reads out the data. It should be able to 
read the barcode even if it is not 100% straight up, but also when the picture 
is slightly rotated (currently I am just looking into Code128 barcodes). Has 
anyone been working on something like this and would care to share some input?

All the best,

Malte


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