date:20110913

Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 9/14/11 1:04 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:


On a separate note, I'm wondering if there's some device that can be used as
a reference for an Android phone, without having to be a phone (I can't
afford a separate cell plan just for testing purposes).  My thought was
maybe a 7" tablet device could be close enough.  Any other suggestions?


Funny you should bring this up. Just last night I installed an app 
called "GrooVe" on my 7" Archos tablet. It requires a Google Voice phone 
number (they're hard to come by, but keep checking daily if you don't 
already have one.) You set up Google to forward calls via chat, not via 
cell phone, and then this little app works just like a phone. My husband 
called from his mobile and my tablet rang. I called him back and that 
worked too. Voice quality was iffy with noticeable lag, but the reviews 
say that's because my wifi connection was poor, and with a strong signal 
it is supposed to be quite good. I only had about quarter-strength signal.


Anyway, it's good in a pinch, it doesn't require any phone plan at all, 
everything is free. It was a hoot to hear my tablet ring.


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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Mark Wieder

Scott-

Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 11:04:47 PM, you wrote:

> On a separate note, I'm wondering if there's some device that can be used as
> a reference for an Android phone, without having to be a phone (I can't
> afford a separate cell plan just for testing purposes).  My thought was
> maybe a 7" tablet device could be close enough.  Any other suggestions?

Funny, I was just looking at this today and wondering if I could use
it on wireless without having to get a data plan...

http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-mini-s5570-android-smartphone-unlocked-219625/

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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Scott Rossi

So, by my tally (which could be off) we've had recommendations for these:

Acer Iconia 500A (10 in)
ViewSonic g (10 in)
Asus Transformer (10 in)
Nook Color (7 in, need to root)
Archos 70 (7 in)

Any others?

FWIW, the pundits I listen to think the tablet market might be soured
(sweetened?) by the recent TouchPad affair, in that consumers have shown
they're more likely to buy in the $100 - $200 price range.  It will be
interesting to see if tablet prices do indeed drop as result of the recent
sell off.

On a separate note, I'm wondering if there's some device that can be used as
a reference for an Android phone, without having to be a phone (I can't
afford a separate cell plan just for testing purposes).  My thought was
maybe a 7" tablet device could be close enough.  Any other suggestions?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Pete

Good sleuthing!
Pete
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> In testing it carefully, so I could report the problem with exact details,
> I found that six columns of one row of Excel will drag and drop, or copy and
> paste, ok. But seven columns of one row of Excel fails. That ought to be
> enough of a clue to them!
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Pete wrote:
>
> > Maybe this should be reported to the RQCC, at least as a "known issue".
>
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

Thanks for the suggestion.

In testing it carefully, so I could report the problem with exact details, I 
found that six columns of one row of Excel will drag and drop, or copy and 
paste, ok. But seven columns of one row of Excel fails. That ought to be enough 
of a clue to them!


On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Pete wrote:

> Maybe this should be reported to the RQCC, at least as a "known issue".

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Pete

Maybe this should be reported to the RQCC, at least as a "known issue".  If
something pastes OK into another app but not LC, seems like LC has some role
in the problem.
Pete
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> Thanks for the tip. Dragging onto the LiveCode field shows the + cursor,
> but nothing gets dropped there.
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > Start dragging on the edge of the selection when the cursor turns into a
> hand.
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revFontLoad: font size issues?

2011-09-13 Thread Curt Ford

I'm using 4.0 on a Mac and need to load a font for both Mac & Windows versions 
of the standalone. There are fields which need to use a mix of generic 18 pt 
Times New Roman, and an IPA (international phonetic alphabet) font, also at 
18pt.

I'm able to get the font to load without issues but the IPA font is very small 
on the Windows standalone; it looks like it's 10 or 12 pt in the middle of 18 
pt Times New Roman text. This happens even if I've selected the text in the 
field and set it to 18pt in the Text pulldown menu, and also set the textSize 
of the field to 18 and the font to Charis SIL. 

The text was created in Bean on a Mac at 18pt and pasted into the LiveCode 
field. When I try dragging the IPA characters from the OS X character palette, 
the characters are still very small on Windows. 

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions!

Curt

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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Judy Perry

Funny, we were just talking about the passwords thing in class the other 
day and I asked one of the two CS majors in the class to explain to their 
classmates some of the basic rules about setting passwords.


They couldn't come up with any :-(

Judy


On 09/13/2011 10:43 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
Change your password, Richmond. Use a good one. Certainly 
nothing thats in the dictionary!

--Jerry


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Re: LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread Dar Scott

Did that do any good?  

On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:15 PM, william humphrey wrote:

> Turns out I can't figure out a way to distinguish between close stack and
> the application quitting so I just got rid of the dialogue instead.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM, william humphrey <
> b...@bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's something I hadn't considered.  I'll change it so the dialogue
>> doesn't come up on quit (only when that stack is closed).
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Dar Scott  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have seen a hang in the IDE when there is an answer/ask during quitting.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

Thanks for the tip. Dragging onto the LiveCode field shows the + cursor, but 
nothing gets dropped there.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Start dragging on the edge of the selection when the cursor turns into a 
> hand. 

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Re: ANN: changes of the Economy-x-Talk website and a new external

2011-09-13 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Dar,

Thanks for your comments. If you download everything right-away and keep the 
files on your hard disk or on a DVD, they'll be available forever ;-) Because 
this is completely new, I still need to figure out a few things. I'll post 
changes on the website or on my blog in a while.

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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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On 14 sep 2011, at 03:13, Dar Scott wrote:

> Hi, Mark,
> 
> I missed the gnashing of teeth on this and am distressed that you went 
> through that.  It is great that you decided to do something about it.  
> 
> This looks pretty cool to me.  I'd be more comfortable with a more definite 
> commitment to how long they are available, though.  
> 
> I wish you well in this.
> 
> Dar


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Re: LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread william humphrey

Turns out I can't figure out a way to distinguish between close stack and
the application quitting so I just got rid of the dialogue instead.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM, william humphrey <
b...@bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> That's something I hadn't considered.  I'll change it so the dialogue
> doesn't come up on quit (only when that stack is closed).
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Dar Scott  wrote:
>
>> I have seen a hang in the IDE when there is an answer/ask during quitting.
>>
>>


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Re: ANN: changes of the Economy-x-Talk website and a new external

2011-09-13 Thread Dar Scott

Hi, Mark,

I missed the gnashing of teeth on this and am distressed that you went through 
that.  It is great that you decided to do something about it.  

This looks pretty cool to me.  I'd be more comfortable with a more definite 
commitment to how long they are available, though.  

I wish you well in this.

Dar

On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> Some time ago, I released an app for iPhone and got a lot of negative 
> feedback, because the app wasn't free. Fortunately, I also received positive 
> feedback from people who understood that I can't give everything away if 
> making it costs me money. Still, the noise caused by people who believed they 
> can claim a right to free software pretty much spoiled the fun for me and I 
> decided I had to do something about this.
> 
> I decided that I had to find a way to determine which software is valued and 
> appreciated by the LiveCode community. I also needed a way to lock out those 
> who believe to have a right to demand free stuff. The solution I have come up 
> with is paid access to sheltered downloads. This system allows me to provide 
> better free software and helps me to have more fun creating software for the 
> LiveCode community. The fun part is hugely important to me.
> 
> Most LiveCode software available from Economy-x-Talk, such as libraries and 
> plugins, is still free. However, to obtain access to the free downloads, you 
> are required to make a small financial contribution. You can decide by 
> yourself how much you would like to contribute. I'd be happy to consider your 
> contribution a token of mere appreciation. It is not meant as a fee for 
> license or support. Once you have made your contribution, an account is 
> created for you and you get access to the downloads.
> 
> An overview of all currently available downloads is available at 
> http://qery.us/zr with the latest addition being the extSetBadgeNumber 
> external for iOS. This external allows you to add a red circle with a white 
> number (also called a badge) to the icon of your application in the iPhone 
> home screen. The external is currently being tested but seems to work fine so 
> far. Go to http://qery.us/zs to create an account and download the external.
> 
> I look forward to sharing more of my creations with you and thank you for 
> your understanding.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Roger Eller

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Pete wrote:

> There sem to be a bewildering number of them out there, most from China.
>  Right now the Viewpad 7 looks pretty good - I think someone mentioned a
> viewpad 10" model as being good somewhere in this thread.
>
> Problem is, this market won't stand still for a few days!
>
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
>

Yep.  I've been watching the China tablets for over a year.  It's funny how
people trust brands they know, but won't buy directly from China, even if it
saves them hundreds of dollars.  I bought my Viewsonic gTablet partially
because of the name, but mostly for the Tegra2 cpu.  Then I found that it is
just a re-branded Malata Z-Tablet from a China manufacturer.

I recommend watching device demos on YouTube.  Especially un-boxing videos
by real end-users.  You can see the performance and what you actually get.
 Support???  Forget it.  You have to be fairly technical, or at least not
afraid to crack open the case yourself if there is a hardware problem.
 Several of the China companies will send you a replacement part during the
warranty period to save the back-and-forth shipping and waiting for repair.
 Not so bad, in my opinion.

˜Roger
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Re: LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread william humphrey

That's something I hadn't considered.  I'll change it so the dialogue
doesn't come up on quit (only when that stack is closed).

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Dar Scott  wrote:

> I have seen a hang in the IDE when there is an answer/ask during quitting.
>
>
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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Pete

There sem to be a bewildering number of them out there, most from China.
 Right now the Viewpad 7 looks pretty good - I think someone mentioned a
viewpad 10" model as being good somewhere in this thread.

Problem is, this market won't stand still for a few days!

Pete
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> I have no clue Pete but I think that Archos makes some... not that easy to
> find good tablets with 7''
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Pete  wrote:
>
> > If and when I get a tablet, I will probably go for a 7 inch model rather
> > than a 10 inch.  Any thoughts for the best one in that size?
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Admin  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The viewsonic, while good, has a very annoying design flaw and must
> > > be rooted to work properly. you are far better off with a Acer Iconia
> > > A500 - IMO, the best tablet out there because of features and build
> > > quality.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:01:05 -0700, Pete wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up Roger. I should know by now that most things
> > > that
> > > > sound too good to be true are too good to be true!
> > > >
> > > > I plan on
> > > getting an Android tablet at some point, hoping a market leader
> > > > will
> > > emerge. I'll check out the Viewsonic
> > > > Pete
> > > > Molly's Revenge
> > > >
> > > > On
> > > Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'd say the worst
> > > strikes against this tablet is the resistive touchscreen, and OS 2.1
> > > (not LiveCode compatible). I don't know if it could update to 2.2 or
> > > not. I learned the hard way that a resistive screen will increases ones
> > > frustration level immensely. After two cheap tablets, I am happy with
> my
> > > Viewsonic gTablet for $269. Still cheaper than most, but it is fast and
> > > versatile, running a dual-core Tegra2. I can install 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0
> > > on it for testing LC apps. And having smooth Netlix playback is my
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ANN: changes of the Economy-x-Talk website and a new external

2011-09-13 Thread Mark Schonewille

Dear all,

Some time ago, I released an app for iPhone and got a lot of negative feedback, 
because the app wasn't free. Fortunately, I also received positive feedback 
from people who understood that I can't give everything away if making it costs 
me money. Still, the noise caused by people who believed they can claim a right 
to free software pretty much spoiled the fun for me and I decided I had to do 
something about this.

I decided that I had to find a way to determine which software is valued and 
appreciated by the LiveCode community. I also needed a way to lock out those 
who believe to have a right to demand free stuff. The solution I have come up 
with is paid access to sheltered downloads. This system allows me to provide 
better free software and helps me to have more fun creating software for the 
LiveCode community. The fun part is hugely important to me.

Most LiveCode software available from Economy-x-Talk, such as libraries and 
plugins, is still free. However, to obtain access to the free downloads, you 
are required to make a small financial contribution. You can decide by yourself 
how much you would like to contribute. I'd be happy to consider your 
contribution a token of mere appreciation. It is not meant as a fee for license 
or support. Once you have made your contribution, an account is created for you 
and you get access to the downloads.

An overview of all currently available downloads is available at 
http://qery.us/zr with the latest addition being the extSetBadgeNumber external 
for iOS. This external allows you to add a red circle with a white number (also 
called a badge) to the icon of your application in the iPhone home screen. The 
external is currently being tested but seems to work fine so far. Go to 
http://qery.us/zs to create an account and download the external.

I look forward to sharing more of my creations with you and thank you for your 
understanding.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Sneidar

Start dragging on the edge of the selection when the cursor turns into a hand. 

Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I can't figure out a way to drag and drop away from Excel.
> 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if drag and drop works? I have seen it behave differently when 
>> working with Office clipboards. 
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

I can't figure out a way to drag and drop away from Excel.


On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I wonder if drag and drop works? I have seen it behave differently when 
> working with Office clipboards. 

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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Jerry Jensen

On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> Also, if the email appeared to be coming from Richmond, there is a pretty 
> good chance it didn't. Most spammers are smarter than that these days. Only 
> way to tell is to look at the headers (if possible). What worries me is that 
> Jacque also got emails from off list, suggesting common data access. It may 
> be coincidence, it may not. When in doubt, assume enemy action. 

The headers for the spam message indicate it was sent from Yahoo by somebody 
(or something) using Richmond's account credentials. They look nothing like 
headers of real mail from Richmond that start out in Bulgaria. I have seen at 
least a half-dozen cases where simply changing the password stopped the 
problem. All of those linked to a page with the same picture of the blond 
doctor (?) on the top. All I can say is that changing your password is a good 
place to start. Not having an address book at your ISP is another good move.

If some sleaze was going to guess credentials, yahoo and aol are attractive 
targets because they have a lot of forgotten or abandoned accounts, or accounts 
whose users forgot how to change their passwords. An unintended consequence of 
being free as in beer.
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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 9/13/11 5:21 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:


Also, if the email appeared to be coming from Richmond, there is a
pretty good chance it didn't. Most spammers are smarter than that
these days. Only way to tell is to look at the headers (if possible).
What worries me is that Jacque also got emails from off list,
suggesting common data access. It may be coincidence, it may not.
When in doubt, assume enemy action.


The copies I received were not related to this list. One was from an old 
client of mine. I'm quite sure the RR lists aren't involved.


I did look at the headers, and the servers were all AOL servers (which 
were also the email addresses of the so-called senders.) My client 
contacted AOL about the problem and they are aware of some malware on 
their system. I didn't know Yahoo also had it, but it seems to have spread.


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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Richmond Mathewson


On 09/14/2011 01:22 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I'm a little offended. What, am I too old even for Viagra spam?? LOL!


About a week ago I went to buy some Voltaren Retard tablets for my 
"happy" recurrent back condition. I was served by a woman who was on the 
sunny side of 65, moustached, grossly overweight and her face was 
covered with moles - despite this she was an extremely pleasant person 
and we shared a joke about the fact that she was wearing a white 
lab-coat with the logo "Viagra" on it . . .   :)


But I digress.



Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:

Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL users. 
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Re: LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread Dar Scott

I have seen a hang in the IDE when there is an answer/ask during quitting.

On OS X you can use the Console for looking at both error messages (even your 
own written to stdout) and crash logs.  

Dar

On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, william humphrey wrote:

> I'm trying to track an occasional freeze crash of LiveCode.  It happens when
> I shut-down the stack after closing the Valentina database connection. I
> have code that checks to see if the database is already shut down and my
> error message comes up saying: "database already closed" and then it
> freezes. Since the error message is able to come up what should I also
> instruct livecode to show me there that will help me track what is causing
> the freeze. Is there some kind of "debug" log that will show the very next
> thing livecode is trying to do that causes the crash? I always get my error
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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Richmond Mathewson


On 09/14/2011 01:21 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Do AOL and Yahoo have lockout policies? Pretty sure they do. If so, then I am a grave 
doubter of the guess theory. It would take forever to run a dictionary attack. It's more 
likely malware, or (pretty remote chance of this) intercepted wireless or ethernet 
traffic. (Didn't you mention you were a teacher? Any kids in your class that seem 
"promising"?) I am sure AOL and Yahoo do not send passwords clear text. Some 
people use the same account and password for a lot of different things, and one of those 
things may use clear text login. Another remote possibility is a compromise of a 
user/password database somewhere.

Also, if the email appeared to be coming from Richmond, there is a pretty good 
chance it didn't. Most spammers are smarter than that these days. Only way to 
tell is to look at the headers (if possible). What worries me is that Jacque 
also got emails from off list, suggesting common data access. It may be 
coincidence, it may not. When in doubt, assume enemy action.

Richmond, if you do any internet access from a Windows machine, I would be 
suspect of that until you can confirm otherwise, and do not use it to change 
your password or log into any sensitive accounts. Consider also, that if you 
kept any other passwords saved in your email (Google keeps an All Mail folder 
the putzes) those are also likely compromised. Finally, of course, make sure 
your malware protection is up to date.


Thanks.

I run machines on Ubuntu, Mint Linux and Ma OS 10.4, so suspect malware 
is not the problem.




Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:


I've seen this numerous times in the last few months, usually from aol or yahoo 
accounts. So far it has apparently turned out to be guessed passwords. Change 
your password, Richmond. Use a good one. Certainly nothing thats in the 
dictionary!
--Jerry

On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:

Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL users. 
There's a bug going around.

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Sneidar

I wonder if drag and drop works? I have seen it behave differently when working 
with Office clipboards. 

Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I suspect the clipboard is a circle...
> 
> I have a new issue on this same challenge. If data in a cell has a rogue 
> return character, Excel places quotes around the two lines. Numbers does 
> better. I'm looking for that "don't wrap text no matter what" option in Excel.
> 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
> 
>> I would not mind if there were an external that gives an LC user complete
>> access to even the most obscure corners of the clipboard.
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Sneidar

There is an issue with copying something in an office app, then opening the 
destination app, and not seeing the clipboard data. This happens because of 
Microsoft's clipboard conversion mechanism, which is apparently only triggered 
when switching between apps, and not launching an app. 

Not all apps seem to have the issue. I get the same thing with things like 
Remote Desktop and Parallels. Anything that does clipboard conversion may have 
an issue. 

Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:26 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

> Colin..
> 
> 
> I have no issues with this at all. OSX 10.4.11, LC 4.5.3
> 
> 
> Text comes over as you would expect. Tabs are there, returns, everything.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Holgate 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 6:32 am
> Subject: pasting clipboard from Excel
> 
> 
> I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version) and paste 
> it 
> into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is good. From Excel I 
> get nothing.
> 
> 'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the clipboarddata' 
> is 
> apparently empty.
> 
> If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I can then go 
> on 
> to paste in LiveCode ok.
> 
> Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first pasting 
> it 
> into another program?
> 
> 
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Re: LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread william humphrey

Thanks Bob. I'm using a clean copy of LiveCode with no helpers (although
there is one helper which I really like which I don't use as much as I'd
like because it causes crashes in conflict with List Magic).

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Are you using alternative debuggers? I have discovered that the one I use
> will sometimes lock if I generate an error on quit. It may be something I am
> doing wrong so I will not name it here, but it was pretty pervasive. Make
> sure you don't have breakpoints in your closestack handler. It may be
> nothing but I have had problems with that before.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 2:25 PM, william humphrey wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to track an occasional freeze crash of LiveCode.  It happens
> when
> > I shut-down the stack after closing the Valentina database connection. I
> > have code that checks to see if the database is already shut down and my
> > error message comes up saying: "database already closed" and then it
> > freezes. Since the error message is able to come up what should I also
> > instruct livecode to show me there that will help me track what is
> causing
> > the freeze. Is there some kind of "debug" log that will show the very
> next
> > thing livecode is trying to do that causes the crash? I always get my
> error
> > message first everytime.
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Re: LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Sneidar

Are you using alternative debuggers? I have discovered that the one I use will 
sometimes lock if I generate an error on quit. It may be something I am doing 
wrong so I will not name it here, but it was pretty pervasive. Make sure you 
don't have breakpoints in your closestack handler. It may be nothing but I have 
had problems with that before. 

Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 2:25 PM, william humphrey wrote:

> I'm trying to track an occasional freeze crash of LiveCode.  It happens when
> I shut-down the stack after closing the Valentina database connection. I
> have code that checks to see if the database is already shut down and my
> error message comes up saying: "database already closed" and then it
> freezes. Since the error message is able to come up what should I also
> instruct livecode to show me there that will help me track what is causing
> the freeze. Is there some kind of "debug" log that will show the very next
> thing livecode is trying to do that causes the crash? I always get my error
> message first everytime.
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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Sneidar

I'm a little offended. What, am I too old even for Viagra spam?? LOL!

Bob


On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
>> Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:
> 
> Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL users. 
> There's a bug going around.
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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Sneidar

Do AOL and Yahoo have lockout policies? Pretty sure they do. If so, then I am a 
grave doubter of the guess theory. It would take forever to run a dictionary 
attack. It's more likely malware, or (pretty remote chance of this) intercepted 
wireless or ethernet traffic. (Didn't you mention you were a teacher? Any kids 
in your class that seem "promising"?) I am sure AOL and Yahoo do not send 
passwords clear text. Some people use the same account and password for a lot 
of different things, and one of those things may use clear text login. Another 
remote possibility is a compromise of a user/password database somewhere. 

Also, if the email appeared to be coming from Richmond, there is a pretty good 
chance it didn't. Most spammers are smarter than that these days. Only way to 
tell is to look at the headers (if possible). What worries me is that Jacque 
also got emails from off list, suggesting common data access. It may be 
coincidence, it may not. When in doubt, assume enemy action. 

Richmond, if you do any internet access from a Windows machine, I would be 
suspect of that until you can confirm otherwise, and do not use it to change 
your password or log into any sensitive accounts. Consider also, that if you 
kept any other passwords saved in your email (Google keeps an All Mail folder 
the putzes) those are also likely compromised. Finally, of course, make sure 
your malware protection is up to date. 

Bob

On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:

> I've seen this numerous times in the last few months, usually from aol or 
> yahoo accounts. So far it has apparently turned out to be guessed passwords. 
> Change your password, Richmond. Use a good one. Certainly nothing thats in 
> the dictionary!
> --Jerry
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>> Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
>>> Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:
>> 
>> Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL users. 
>> There's a bug going around.
>> 
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

I suspect the clipboard is a circle...

I have a new issue on this same challenge. If data in a cell has a rogue return 
character, Excel places quotes around the two lines. Numbers does better. I'm 
looking for that "don't wrap text no matter what" option in Excel.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> I would not mind if there were an external that gives an LC user complete
> access to even the most obscure corners of the clipboard.

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Jonathan Lynch

I would not mind if there were an external that gives an LC user complete
access to even the most obscure corners of the clipboard.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Keith Clarke <
keith.cla...@clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:

> ...indeed, hence the suggestion - to test whether the problem is non-text
> elements getting into the clipboard that LC doesn't like.
>
> That way, you can at least prove whether you have the option to add
> LC-friendly pre-processing via a user-friendly Excel trick, such as a nice
> big 'Export to LC' button that drives a macro that will copy the range,
> paste-special-values somewhere and then copy clean text from there into the
> clipboard.
>
> On 13 Sep 2011, at 17:43, Colin Holgate wrote:
>
> > That would be more steps than what I do now, which is to just do a paste
> in any other program, then the next paste into LiveCode works ok.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> >
> >> As you can control the source, is it worth (at least to test) saving the
> range into a CSV format to force everything to plain text. That way non-text
> elements shouldn't get into the clipboard?
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Scott Rossi

I believe that's the right way to do it Jacque.



Scott Rossi, Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design

-Original Message-
From: "J. Landman Gay" 
Sender: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:49:01 
To: How to use LiveCode
Reply-To: How to use LiveCode 
Subject: Re: iOS initial orientation

On 9/13/11 2:59 PM, Andrew Henshaw wrote:
> Yes,  that would be a better option!
>
> The other issue you might run into is try your app on a real device
> and start it 'face up'.  It will start in whatever you specify as the
> initial orientation,  and stay that way,  even if you pick up the
> device from being face up,  flat on the desk direct to landscape.
> The ui rotates,  but redraw is not fired so it stays in portrait with
> half the content missing off the bottom.

I just tried it but my app works okay. It launches upside down, but is 
still in landscape, even if the launcher starts out in portrait. When I 
pick up the iPad from my desk, it rotates to the correct landscape 
orientation.

I have the standalone builder set to allow both landscape options and no 
portrait options, so maybe that's the difference.

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LiveCode Hanging freeze needing force quit on shut down sometimes

2011-09-13 Thread william humphrey

I'm trying to track an occasional freeze crash of LiveCode.  It happens when
I shut-down the stack after closing the Valentina database connection. I
have code that checks to see if the database is already shut down and my
error message comes up saying: "database already closed" and then it
freezes. Since the error message is able to come up what should I also
instruct livecode to show me there that will help me track what is causing
the freeze. Is there some kind of "debug" log that will show the very next
thing livecode is trying to do that causes the crash? I always get my error
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Re: iOS Card Scrolling with Bounce

2011-09-13 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Chris,

Make a group of all objects on the card, including the objects that are 
off-screen. Set the rect of the group to the card rect and use a UIScrollView 
to scroll the group. Look at the iOS release notes for more info. This info 
still isn't in the regular documentation.

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On 13 sep 2011, at 22:37, Nonsanity wrote:

> I've been away from my iOS projects in LC over the summer, but I'm about to
> jump back in again. And to start, I wanted to ask again something I was
> looking for long ago, and that's a way to scroll a card so that it imitates
> the existing scroll behaviors in typical iOS apps.
> 
> For example, open up Settings on an iPhone and flick to scroll up and down
> the page, bouncing and stretching at the ends. I would think that in LC,
> this would be dun by laying out all the elements on a
> longer-than-the-window-is-tall card, then using scrolling it with swipes.
> 
> But can the exact same motion behavior be implemented in LC? How much of a
> unique HACK does it have to be? Or is there a built-in scroll modifier we
> can tap into, so that every LC iOS app can scroll exactly the same as other
> apps do?
> 
> You see, if I can't give the end user the exact same experience of scrolling
> through a long screen that they are already very used to... It's better not
> to even try. If that's the case, then LiveCode has failed me. Can't have
> that! :)
> 
> I checked the revOnline example and library stacks, but didn't see anything
> for this.
> 
> ~ Chris Innanen
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Re: List of handlers

2011-09-13 Thread Andre Garzia

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:27 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Andre Garzia 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Andre,
>
> > Is revavailablehandlers available on a standalone? (Just curious...)
>
> Not sure of the usage we could have with that, but
> revavailablehandlers not working in a standalone.
>

Zryip,

No use at all on Standalones, it was curiosity because when it does not
function in standalones, it usually means it is implemented in the IDE
scripts but when it does, then, we discovered some hidden gems and I love
hidden commands in the engine...

Cheers and thanks
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 9/13/11 2:59 PM, Andrew Henshaw wrote:

Yes,  that would be a better option!

The other issue you might run into is try your app on a real device
and start it 'face up'.  It will start in whatever you specify as the
initial orientation,  and stay that way,  even if you pick up the
device from being face up,  flat on the desk direct to landscape.
The ui rotates,  but redraw is not fired so it stays in portrait with
half the content missing off the bottom.


I just tried it but my app works okay. It launches upside down, but is 
still in landscape, even if the launcher starts out in portrait. When I 
pick up the iPad from my desk, it rotates to the correct landscape 
orientation.


I have the standalone builder set to allow both landscape options and no 
portrait options, so maybe that's the difference.


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iOS Card Scrolling with Bounce

2011-09-13 Thread Nonsanity

I've been away from my iOS projects in LC over the summer, but I'm about to
jump back in again. And to start, I wanted to ask again something I was
looking for long ago, and that's a way to scroll a card so that it imitates
the existing scroll behaviors in typical iOS apps.

For example, open up Settings on an iPhone and flick to scroll up and down
the page, bouncing and stretching at the ends. I would think that in LC,
this would be dun by laying out all the elements on a
longer-than-the-window-is-tall card, then using scrolling it with swipes.

But can the exact same motion behavior be implemented in LC? How much of a
unique HACK does it have to be? Or is there a built-in scroll modifier we
can tap into, so that every LC iOS app can scroll exactly the same as other
apps do?

You see, if I can't give the end user the exact same experience of scrolling
through a long screen that they are already very used to... It's better not
to even try. If that's the case, then LiveCode has failed me. Can't have
that! :)

I checked the revOnline example and library stacks, but didn't see anything
for this.

 ~ Chris Innanen
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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Richmond Mathewson


On 09/13/2011 10:43 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:

I've seen this numerous times in the last few months, usually from aol or yahoo 
accounts. So far it has apparently turned out to be guessed passwords. Change 
your password, Richmond. Use a good one. Certainly nothing thats in the 
dictionary!
--Jerry


Thanks for the useful advice.



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On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:

Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL users. 
There's a bug going around.

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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

Some are stubborn about it, and may take a while before they rotate, but I 
can't remember seeing one that didn't do the other landscape.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Andrew Henshaw wrote:

> Most still rotate two ways,  ie.  landscape and landscape upside down,  I 
> think thats enough.

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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Andrew Henshaw

Most still rotate two ways,  ie.  landscape and landscape upside down,  I think 
thats enough.


On 13 Sep 2011, at 19:50, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
>> As Randy picked up, it's iPad apps that have the rule about not locking to 
>> one
>> landscape. All of yours are either iPhone/iPod only, or they cost more on the
>> iPad than I'm willing to spend to satisfy my curiosity!
> 
> There are definitely iPad apps that do not auto-rotate.  Perhaps in some
> cases producing a universal app allows the developer to skirt the
> auto-rotation issue.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Andrew Henshaw

Yes,  that would be a better option!

The other issue you might run into is try your app on a real device and start 
it 'face up'.  It will start in whatever you specify as the initial 
orientation,  and stay that way,  even if you pick up the device from being 
face up,  flat on the desk direct to landscape.  The ui rotates,  but redraw is 
not fired so it stays in portrait with half the content missing off the bottom.

I need to make a ticket about it,  but not got round to writing a sample stack 
yet,  but its just worth checking what your app does if you start it 'face up', 
 then pick up the iPad in either landscape or portrait and see what happens.

Andy

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> I wish we had a way to just tell the engine to start up in whatever 
> orientation is current.
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Re: Scaling to device for Android

2011-09-13 Thread Andre Garzia

I am willing to trade automatic scalling for the hardware button support...

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> I think we're on the same page:  the "logic" in a logical view is in your
> resizeStack handler.
>
> If I misunderstand please feel free to elaborate.
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>  Not sure I agree. If you work with a logical view you don't need to
>> scale at all by default; you can then override it as you see fit
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Maarten Koopmans wrote:
>>>
>>>  Subject says it all: does anyone have a clue or a sample handler that
 they know off? This is a real nuisance otherwise :(

>>>
>>> There's a request in the RQCC for generalized scaling:
>>> 
>>> >
>>>
>>> Useful as it is for things like some games, anything with controls on it
>>> will require the developer to write a resizeStack handler to position
>>> things
>>> appropriately for both the current device and the current orientation.
>>>
>>> Now that I have a great tablet with the Asus Transformer, it drives me
>>> crazy
>>> to download apps only to find that they merely scale their display for
>>> tablets, rather than take full advantage of the larger form factor with a
>>> unique layout optimized for it.  I don't need 5" wide buttons, I need
>>> more
>>> of a view on the content. ;)
>>>
>>> And with orientation, if an app only works in one orientation on my
>>> tablet I
>>> generally uninstall it immediately after I discover that.   I like both
>>> portrait and landscape orientations for different purposes, and if an app
>>> doesn't adapt to me I'm not going to adapt to the app - simpler just to
>>> uninstall and find one that was crafted more earnestly.
>>>
>>> With LiveCode we have the resizeStack message, sent when the app opens
>>> and
>>> whenever the device orientation changes.  We can use the screenrect to
>>> intelligently reposition things to provide an optimal experience on any
>>> device.
>>>
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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Jerry Jensen


On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode Use-List 
> and myself (!) containing NO title

Hey, the title could have been Cheap Androgen Tablet...



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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Jerry Jensen

I've seen this numerous times in the last few months, usually from aol or yahoo 
accounts. So far it has apparently turned out to be guessed passwords. Change 
your password, Richmond. Use a good one. Certainly nothing thats in the 
dictionary!
--Jerry

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> On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
>> Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:
> 
> Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL users. 
> There's a bug going around.
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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Andre Garzia

I have no clue Pete but I think that Archos makes some... not that easy to
find good tablets with 7''

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Pete  wrote:

> If and when I get a tablet, I will probably go for a 7 inch model rather
> than a 10 inch.  Any thoughts for the best one in that size?
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
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>
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>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Admin  wrote:
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> >
> >
> > The viewsonic, while good, has a very annoying design flaw and must
> > be rooted to work properly. you are far better off with a Acer Iconia
> > A500 - IMO, the best tablet out there because of features and build
> > quality.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:01:05 -0700, Pete wrote:
> >
> > >
> > Thanks for the heads up Roger. I should know by now that most things
> > that
> > > sound too good to be true are too good to be true!
> > >
> > > I plan on
> > getting an Android tablet at some point, hoping a market leader
> > > will
> > emerge. I'll check out the Viewsonic
> > > Pete
> > > Molly's Revenge
> > >
> > > On
> > Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'd say the worst
> > strikes against this tablet is the resistive touchscreen, and OS 2.1
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> > not. I learned the hard way that a resistive screen will increases ones
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Scott Rossi

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

> As Randy picked up, it's iPad apps that have the rule about not locking to one
> landscape. All of yours are either iPhone/iPod only, or they cost more on the
> iPad than I'm willing to spend to satisfy my curiosity!

There are definitely iPad apps that do not auto-rotate.  Perhaps in some
cases producing a universal app allows the developer to skirt the
auto-rotation issue.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

As Randy picked up, it's iPad apps that have the rule about not locking to one 
landscape. All of yours are either iPhone/iPod only, or they cost more on the 
iPad than I'm willing to spend to satisfy my curiosity!



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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Randy Hengst

Jacque,

Apple allows one orientation for iPod/iPhone apps… but you need at least both 
landscape or both portrait for iPad apps. I had an iPad app initially rejected 
when I forgot to allow both landscape orientations… a resubmit with both went 
through just fine.

I have several iPod apps with only one landscape orientation, but will 
eventually send along an update to include both.

be well,
randy
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> On 9/13/11 12:29 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Jacque:
>> 
>> FWIW, I have dozens of iOS apps that not only start up in a rotated
>> orientation, but stay fixed in that orientation.  I'm seeing lots of games
>> that do this, and am surprised because I thought Apple's review police would
>> flag this behavior as bad.
> 
> I thought so too, but if Apple isn't rejecting those rotating apps then my 
> inclination is to ignore the problem entirely. That's a lot easier. It sounds 
> like they know there's no good workaround.
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Scott Rossi

I don't think you really want me to go through all my apps, but here are
several:

Amateur Surgeon 2
Ball Invasion
Jewel Bling
Mecapix
Mixzle
Tap DJ
Tap Tap Revenge titles
Surge
Spotify (don't have an account, but login doesn't rotate)
Wobble
X-rat

And before you ask, the answer is "No, the orientation lock is not on"  :-)

The IKEA catalog is somehow aware of startup orientation.  No matter which
way the device is held, the splash screen always comes up orientated
properly.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



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> It's not unusual to have the splash screen choose one particular landscape,
> but it is unusual for it to remain locked in that one. What is an example
> application?
> 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>>  I get if an app is designed to be landscape
>> only, but it seems like they should be able to make their titles support
>> both landscape right/left.
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Re: List of handlers

2011-09-13 Thread Geoff Canyon Rev

Interesting -- I'd forgotten about the token keyword. It still doesn't
handle block comments though:

on mouseUp
   /*this is a
   on aCommentedCommand
  comment*/
  put token 1 to -1 of the script of me into tText
  put empty into tMenuText
  repeat for each line L in tText
 if word 1 of L is among the items of
"on,function,getprop,setprop,command,private"
 then put L & cr after tMenuText
  end repeat
  put tMenuText
end mouseUp

That puts

on mouseUp
   on aCommentedCommand

gc

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> Geoff,
>
> Try this:
>
> put token 1 to -1 of the script of tID into tText
> put empty into tMenuText
> repeat for each line L in tText
>    if word 1 of L is among the items of 
> "on,function,getprop,setprop,command,private"
> then put L & cr after tMenuText
> end repeat
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> On 11 sep 2011, at 23:07, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:
>
>> This doesn't work with block comments, but this is what I used in 
>> revNavigator:
>>
>> put the script of tID into tText
>> put empty into tMenuText
>> repeat for each line L in tText
>>     if word 1 of L is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"
>> then put L & cr after tMenuText
>> end repeat
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 9/13/11 12:29 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

Jacque:

FWIW, I have dozens of iOS apps that not only start up in a rotated
orientation, but stay fixed in that orientation.  I'm seeing lots of games
that do this, and am surprised because I thought Apple's review police would
flag this behavior as bad.


I thought so too, but if Apple isn't rejecting those rotating apps then 
my inclination is to ignore the problem entirely. That's a lot easier. 
It sounds like they know there's no good workaround.


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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

It's not unusual to have the splash screen choose one particular landscape, but 
it is unusual for it to remain locked in that one. What is an example 
application?

On Sep 13, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

>  I get if an app is designed to be landscape
> only, but it seems like they should be able to make their titles support
> both landscape right/left.

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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Scott Rossi

Jacque: 

FWIW, I have dozens of iOS apps that not only start up in a rotated
orientation, but stay fixed in that orientation.  I'm seeing lots of games
that do this, and am surprised because I thought Apple's review police would
flag this behavior as bad.  I get if an app is designed to be landscape
only, but it seems like they should be able to make their titles support
both landscape right/left.

And there will always be cases where, for example, you'll have designed your
app to be landscape only, and the user is holding their device in portrait
orientation.  Obviously, they'll have to adjust, there's no way around that.

That being said, I wonder if you could display a black screen for a second
or so and allow for auto-rotation "behind the veil" before displaying
anything...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

>> I couldnt figure this one out either,  so in the end I load the stack
>> with a black opaque rectangle at the top,  and have that hide itself
>> after .2 seconds (the time varies on the app,  it depends on how much
>> it has to do in the pre open.
> 
> That may work, I hadn't thought to do that. I don't use a splash since
> my app starts up quickly, so extending the blackout period by a short
> time probably won't be noticeable.
> 
> I wish we had a way to just tell the engine to start up in whatever
> orientation is current.

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Re: [OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 9/13/11 7:28 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode
Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:


Same thing (with varying URLs) has come to me from a couple of AOL 
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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Keith Clarke

...indeed, hence the suggestion - to test whether the problem is non-text 
elements getting into the clipboard that LC doesn't like.

That way, you can at least prove whether you have the option to add LC-friendly 
pre-processing via a user-friendly Excel trick, such as a nice big 'Export to 
LC' button that drives a macro that will copy the range, paste-special-values 
somewhere and then copy clean text from there into the clipboard. 

On 13 Sep 2011, at 17:43, Colin Holgate wrote:

> That would be more steps than what I do now, which is to just do a paste in 
> any other program, then the next paste into LiveCode works ok.
> 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> 
>> As you can control the source, is it worth (at least to test) saving the 
>> range into a CSV format to force everything to plain text. That way non-text 
>> elements shouldn't get into the clipboard?
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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 9/13/11 3:23 AM, Andrew Henshaw wrote:

I couldnt figure this one out either,  so in the end I load the stack
with a black opaque rectangle at the top,  and have that hide itself
after .2 seconds (the time varies on the app,  it depends on how much
it has to do in the pre open.


That may work, I hadn't thought to do that. I don't use a splash since 
my app starts up quickly, so extending the blackout period by a short 
time probably won't be noticeable.


I wish we had a way to just tell the engine to start up in whatever 
orientation is current.


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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

That would be more steps than what I do now, which is to just do a paste in any 
other program, then the next paste into LiveCode works ok.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> As you can control the source, is it worth (at least to test) saving the 
> range into a CSV format to force everything to plain text. That way non-text 
> elements shouldn't get into the clipboard?

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Re: pasting clipboard from LibreOffice Calc

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

Si, and if it was down to me I would have them use Numbers, but alas they are 
standardized on Excel.


On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Entre nous, cette une bonne idee to avoid Microsoft products; nicht?

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Keith Clarke

As you can control the source, is it worth (at least to test) saving the range 
into a CSV format to force everything to plain text. That way non-text elements 
shouldn't get into the clipboard?

I often wish for an Office 'Copy Special' function to mirror 'Paste Special', 
so I can grab just content values from Office documents without the 
accompanying proprietary detritus - sorry, I of course meant 'added value'!! 
;-)   
Best,
Keith..

On 13 Sep 2011, at 17:24, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I can select exactly the same range of cells, and one time a copy/paste will 
> work, and another time it won't. There are no formulas in the spreadsheet I'm 
> using, but the contents of many of the cells are derived from popup lists.
> 
> I think it's just a clipboard conversion issue, that sometimes Excel makes it 
> be compatible, and other times it doesn't. Right this second I can't make it 
> fail.

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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Pete

If and when I get a tablet, I will probably go for a 7 inch model rather
than a 10 inch.  Any thoughts for the best one in that size?
Pete
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Admin  wrote:

>
>
> The viewsonic, while good, has a very annoying design flaw and must
> be rooted to work properly. you are far better off with a Acer Iconia
> A500 - IMO, the best tablet out there because of features and build
> quality.
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:01:05 -0700, Pete wrote:
>
> >
> Thanks for the heads up Roger. I should know by now that most things
> that
> > sound too good to be true are too good to be true!
> >
> > I plan on
> getting an Android tablet at some point, hoping a market leader
> > will
> emerge. I'll check out the Viewsonic
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge
> >
> > On
> Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
> >
> >> I'd say the worst
> strikes against this tablet is the resistive touchscreen, and OS 2.1
> (not LiveCode compatible). I don't know if it could update to 2.2 or
> not. I learned the hard way that a resistive screen will increases ones
> frustration level immensely. After two cheap tablets, I am happy with my
> Viewsonic gTablet for $269. Still cheaper than most, but it is fast and
> versatile, running a dual-core Tegra2. I can install 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0
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pasting clipboard from LibreOffice Calc

2011-09-13 Thread Richmond Mathewson


Pas de problem . . .   :)


Entre nous, cette une bonne idee to avoid Microsoft products; nicht?

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

I can select exactly the same range of cells, and one time a copy/paste will 
work, and another time it won't. There are no formulas in the spreadsheet I'm 
using, but the contents of many of the cells are derived from popup lists.

I think it's just a clipboard conversion issue, that sometimes Excel makes it 
be compatible, and other times it doesn't. Right this second I can't make it 
fail.



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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Jim Ault



On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

Yes, the strange thing is that sometimes it cooperates. It seems to  
fail more often when copying cells that have a particular data type  
assigned to them.


Jim, as Craig did too, I'm only attempting to get tab delimited text  
onto the clipboard. It doesn't matter in any way at all what cells  
the data came from, or what led to the value of the text. It's also  
to be a web app as well as multi-platform standalone applications,  
so AppleScript is out of the question.


Given that it pastes into other programs ok, shouldn't it paste into  
LiveCode?
Most programs do some sort of conversion/discard of clipboard data  
when they are activated.

Very larger clipboards can make an app seem to hesitate as it activates.

From my experience, LC tries to give you the clipboard characters  
without much conversion, therefore extra control and high-ascii  
characters can be in the clipboard when you try to work with it (such  
as paste into a field)


Try the following line to see if it makes a difference
put the clipboarddata into tTempVar
delete null in tTempVar
put tTempVar into fld destination
-- nulls do not work with the filter command

or
-- strip the clipboard chars
put the clipboarddata into tTempVar
repeat with K = 1 to 31
if k is in  " 9 10 13 " then next repeat
   delete char (numtochar(K)) in tTempVar
end repeat
repeat with K = 127 to 255
   delete char (numtochar(K)) in tTempVar
end repeat
put tTempVar into fld destination

Hope this works every time for you.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread dunbarx

Colin.


I copied some data from a spreadsheet.


I made a field in LC.


I pasted the data into the field. Works fine. It always did.


Just for laughs, I made a button with:


on mouseUp
  put the clipBoardData into fld "colin"
end mouseUp


Am I missing something in what you are asking?


Craig





-Original Message-
From: Colin Holgate 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 6:32 am
Subject: pasting clipboard from Excel


I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version) and paste 
it 
into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is good. From Excel I 
get nothing.

'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the clipboarddata' 
is 
apparently empty.

If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I can then go 
on 
to paste in LiveCode ok.

Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first pasting it 
into another program?



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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

Yes, the strange thing is that sometimes it cooperates. It seems to fail more 
often when copying cells that have a particular data type assigned to them.

Jim, as Craig did too, I'm only attempting to get tab delimited text onto the 
clipboard. It doesn't matter in any way at all what cells the data came from, 
or what led to the value of the text. It's also to be a web app as well as 
multi-platform standalone applications, so AppleScript is out of the question.

Given that it pastes into other programs ok, shouldn't it paste into LiveCode?

On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:26 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

> I have no issues with this at all. OSX 10.4.11, LC 4.5.3
> 
> 
> Text comes over as you would expect. Tabs are there, returns, everything.

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Jim Ault



On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:


How would you do that? 'the clipboard' just reports having 'text'.

Jonathan, the actual application is for a client to be able to  
convert a selected range of cells into a specific format XML. By far  
the easiest way to have them do that is to select the cells, Copy,  
go to the revlet window, and click a big friendly button. The text  
on the clipboard is then in the right XML format, ready to be pasted  
into an XML configuration file.


For the moment I just instruct them to do a "test Paste" of the  
copied cells into their text editor, before going into the revlet.  
That's enough to fix the problem.



You could have them click at the top of the first column (select the  
whole column) which would have a formula on each row that would create  
clean text from the cells to the right.


You might also be a victim of cell and intra-cell text formatting that  
is possible in modern Excel versions.

One extra format that creates havoc is the hyperlink.

The last check of there spreadsheet would be to see if they use the  
rarely employed 'cell comments' which adds some special character in  
the cell.


 It is tricky when the user gets to choose the cells to be copied.  I  
have spent many hours with this, especially in the old days of  
Filemaker fields and converting Word documents to clean text.


PS  You might discover that your 'gathering formulas' stop working if  
the user inserts or deletes cells, but the formulas will keep working  
if you use the INDIRECT() function.




Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Mark Wieder

Roger-

Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 7:47:56 AM, you wrote:

> Good info!  I'll keep a watchful eye out for when they are on sale.  Sounds
> like a good Christmas present.

!Great! I'll send you my address. I can wait.

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread dunbarx

Colin..


I have no issues with this at all. OSX 10.4.11, LC 4.5.3


Text comes over as you would expect. Tabs are there, returns, everything.


Craig





-Original Message-
From: Colin Holgate 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 6:32 am
Subject: pasting clipboard from Excel


I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version) and paste 
it 
into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is good. From Excel I 
get nothing.

'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the clipboarddata' 
is 
apparently empty.

If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I can then go 
on 
to paste in LiveCode ok.

Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first pasting it 
into another program?



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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Jim Ault



On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Colin Holgate   
wrote:


I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version)  
and
paste it into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is  
good.

From Excel I get nothing.

'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the
clipboarddata' is apparently empty.

If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I  
can then

go on to paste in LiveCode ok.

Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first

pasting it into another program?

I think the answer is yes, depending on the design of your spreadsheet.
It is always an adventure in data format conversion when using the  
clipboard between apps.


When I have done this using Applescript and other programs (LC, etc.)  
exchanging with Excel...


I write the spreadsheet formulas to 'gather' all the values into one  
cell using a series of formulas, then copy that single cell.


As a better practice, I name the cell, and access it by name rather  
than cell address.

Using the formulated value allows you to choose your delimiters
(such as char 160 = CR, and char 161 = tab )
and avoid the variations with tab, return cross platform.
This means the same Excel formula and the same LC handler will work on  
all versions of Win, Mac, and incarnations of Excel.


I have used this approach for very large text runs, in particular,  
merging (html + values) to create complete web pages in a single cell.


Also, when switching between apps using the clipboard, be aware that  
you should do an Applescript line such as


tell app "Microsoft Excel"
  -- copy named cell
end tell
delay 1   -- wait 1 second
tell app "Livecode" to activate  --
delay 0.5
put the clipboarddata into tTextBlock
--now parse delims ( 161, 160 )
--etc

This gives each app time to convert the clipboard, especially if it is  
very large.







Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

How would you do that? 'the clipboard' just reports having 'text'.

Jonathan, the actual application is for a client to be able to convert a 
selected range of cells into a specific format XML. By far the easiest way to 
have them do that is to select the cells, Copy, go to the revlet window, and 
click a big friendly button. The text on the clipboard is then in the right XML 
format, ready to be pasted into an XML configuration file.

For the moment I just instruct them to do a "test Paste" of the copied cells 
into their text editor, before going into the revlet. That's enough to fix the 
problem.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:11 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> have you looked to see if there is data in other elements in the
> clipboarddata besides [text] ?

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread stephen barncard

have you looked to see if there is data in other elements in the
clipboarddata besides [text] ?

On 13 September 2011 07:30, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version) and
> paste it into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is good.
> From Excel I get nothing.
>
> 'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the
> clipboarddata' is apparently empty.
>
> If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I can then
> go on to paste in LiveCode ok.
>
> Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first
> pasting it into another program?
>
>
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Re:

2011-09-13 Thread Keith Clarke

...try your spam folder - that's where I found the original (and deleted it, 
assuming that the 'html8' suffix was dodgy and that a mail account had been 
compromised somewhere).
Best,
Keith..

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Re: pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Jonathan Lynch

Hi Colin,

If this were a PC, you could use vbscript to create an invisible MS Word
document, paste the clipboard into the document, then save it as text or
some other format.

then, you could use LC to retrieve the contents of that document. It takes
like 1.5 seconds.

I don't know much about Macs, but I bet there is a way to do something
similar.

Does that help?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version) and
> paste it into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is good.
> From Excel I get nothing.
>
> 'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the
> clipboarddata' is apparently empty.
>
> If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I can then
> go on to paste in LiveCode ok.
>
> Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first
> pasting it into another program?
>
>
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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Roger Eller

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Admin wrote:

>
>
> At $300 or less, I find the Acer Iconia A500 tablet to be one of
> the most affordable REAL tablets. It has the Nvidia Tegra dual core,
> 32gb ram, mini and regular usb slots, gps, micro sd slot, tactile feel
> and more. I've actually seen it go on sale for $275, and that is so
> cheap for a tablet of this quality level as to be surprising.
>
> The
> Gtablet may be found cheaper, but the return ratio is massive because of
> a broken OS and stupid design. I rooted mine and installed several OS's
> on it, eventually keeping Cyanogen.
>
> The Acer has been a zillion times
> better and lower in cost.
>
> Mike
>
>
Good info!  I'll keep a watchful eye out for when they are on sale.  Sounds
like a good Christmas present.

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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Admin

  

At $300 or less, I find the Acer Iconia A500 tablet to be one of
the most affordable REAL tablets. It has the Nvidia Tegra dual core,
32gb ram, mini and regular usb slots, gps, micro sd slot, tactile feel
and more. I've actually seen it go on sale for $275, and that is so
cheap for a tablet of this quality level as to be surprising. 

The
Gtablet may be found cheaper, but the return ratio is massive because of
a broken OS and stupid design. I rooted mine and installed several OS's
on it, eventually keeping Cyanogen. 

The Acer has been a zillion times
better and lower in cost. 

Mike 

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:22:12 -0400,
Roger Eller wrote: 

> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Admin wrote:
>

>> The viewsonic, while good, has a very annoying design flaw and must
be rooted to work properly. you are far better off with a Acer Iconia
A500 - IMO, the best tablet out there because of features and build
quality. Mike
> 
> Yes Mike, it has a design flaw and must be rooted, or
better yet - replace
> the ROM with CyanogenMod from xda-developers
forum. I need to stress the
> purpose of my tablet. The viewing angles
are just ok, but for the primary
> user looking directly at the screen,
it is awesome.
> 
> I don't buy a testing device in the same way as I
buy for ME. I don't want
> the best tablet, I want one that I can
experiment with, and that is low-cost
> enough that the real people can
afford them. In all honesty, a very low
> percentage of users can afford
the best, and those $99 tablets might be
> worth having just to see how
your apps will perform for that market
> segment. Excluding low-income
tablet owners from playing a game because the
> developer only has
high-end equipment for testing just seems like a flawed
> business
design, IMHO.
> 
> ~Roger
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2011-09-13 Thread Mark Schonewille

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pasting clipboard from Excel

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

I'm trying to copy some cells from Excel (Mac, 2008 Office version) and paste 
it into a field in LiveCode. If I do that with Numbers all is good. From Excel 
I get nothing.

'the clipboard' tells me that it contains 'text, but that 'the clipboarddata' 
is apparently empty.

If I take a moment to paste the clipboard into another program, I can then go 
on to paste in LiveCode ok.

Is there a way for LiveCode to see the text from Excel without first pasting it 
into another program?



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Re:

2011-09-13 Thread stephen barncard

THE LINK BELOW IS SPAM

(sorry Richmond)

On 13 September 2011 05:10, Richmond Mathewson  wrote:

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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Roger Eller

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Admin wrote:

>
>
> The viewsonic, while good, has a very annoying design flaw and must
> be rooted to work properly. you are far better off with a Acer Iconia
> A500 - IMO, the best tablet out there because of features and build
> quality.
>
> Mike
>
>
Yes Mike, it has a design flaw and must be rooted, or better yet - replace
the ROM with CyanogenMod from xda-developers forum.  I need to stress the
purpose of my tablet.  The viewing angles are just ok, but for the primary
user looking directly at the screen, it is awesome.

I don't buy a testing device in the same way as I buy for ME.  I don't want
the best tablet, I want one that I can experiment with, and that is low-cost
enough that the real people can afford them.  In all honesty, a very low
percentage of users can afford the best, and those $99 tablets might be
worth having just to see how your apps will perform for that market
segment.  Excluding low-income tablet owners from playing a game because the
developer only has high-end equipment for testing just seems like a flawed
business design, IMHO.

~Roger
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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Richard Gaskin


Pete wrote:

I plan on getting an Android tablet at some point, hoping a market leader
will emerge.


It may be here:

Asus Transformer Tablet: Surprising Second Best in Sales After Apple iPad



Performance is pretty good too:

Asus Eee Pad Transformer might be the fastest Honeycomb tablet



Looks like it's about to get even faster, with a bump to the Nvida Tegra 
3 in October:




The price is expected to remain at its relatively low $399 (and that's 
list; if you shop around you may be able to find it for $349, and I've 
seen one seller offering it at $329).


Buying tip:  go ahead and splurge for the keyboard dock at the same time 
(list $149).  It really expands the usefulness of a device, and has its 
own battery so it doubles battery life to up to 16 hours.  I got the 
tablet first, being somewhat unsure of how much I'd enjoy the 
Transformer. Within days I was hooked, and made a second trip to the 
store to pick up the keyboard.   Very happy with the combo.


Buying tip #2:  The Transformer comes in two models, 16GB and 32GB.  But 
unlike the iPad, the Transformer comes with additional storage slots: 
MicroSD on the tablet itself, and SD on the dock (in addition to two USB 
slots on the dock as well).  So while the 16GB model is probably fine as 
it is, if you need more space you can just drop in a MicroSD card 
instead of having to upgrade the device.


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Re: Scaling to device for Android

2011-09-13 Thread Richard Gaskin

I think we're on the same page:  the "logic" in a logical view is in 
your resizeStack handler.


If I misunderstand please feel free to elaborate.

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Maarten Koopmans wrote:


Not sure I agree. If you work with a logical view you don't need to
scale at all by default; you can then override it as you see fit

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin
 wrote:

Maarten Koopmans wrote:


Subject says it all: does anyone have a clue or a sample handler that
they know off? This is a real nuisance otherwise :(


There's a request in the RQCC for generalized scaling:


Useful as it is for things like some games, anything with controls on it
will require the developer to write a resizeStack handler to position things
appropriately for both the current device and the current orientation.

Now that I have a great tablet with the Asus Transformer, it drives me crazy
to download apps only to find that they merely scale their display for
tablets, rather than take full advantage of the larger form factor with a
unique layout optimized for it.  I don't need 5" wide buttons, I need more
of a view on the content. ;)

And with orientation, if an app only works in one orientation on my tablet I
generally uninstall it immediately after I discover that.   I like both
portrait and landscape orientations for different purposes, and if an app
doesn't adapt to me I'm not going to adapt to the app - simpler just to
uninstall and find one that was crafted more earnestly.

With LiveCode we have the resizeStack message, sent when the app opens and
whenever the device orientation changes.  We can use the screenrect to
intelligently reposition things to provide an optimal experience on any
device.

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Re: Scaling to device for Android

2011-09-13 Thread Richard Gaskin


Jacque wrote:


On 9/12/11 9:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


And with orientation, if an app only works in one orientation on my
tablet I generally uninstall it immediately after I discover that. I
like both portrait and landscape orientations for different purposes,
and if an app doesn't adapt to me I'm not going to adapt to the app -
simpler just to uninstall and find one that was crafted more earnestly.


How about games that require a landscape orientation? I'm willing to
forgive them for that.


Yes, after reflecting on your comment I would amend mine to read 
"Supporting both orientations is optimal, but on a tablet if you have to 
support only one make it landscape."


My favorite tablet is also my favorite netbook, the Asus Transformer. 
It manages to turn the tablet form factor into a truly useful device 
with a well-integrated keyboard, so I can not only do the sort of 
lightweight grazing tablets are good for, but can also write extensively 
or even do server admin without giving up half of my screen (not to 
mention propping up the screen nicely so I don't have to hold it).


I generally only turn the tablet portrait when I'm doing a lot of 
reading, but for writing it's in the dock, and way too many phone apps 
don't have a landscape mode.


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Re: Scaling to device for Android

2011-09-13 Thread Maarten Koopmans

Not sure I agree. If you work with a logical view you don't need to
scale at all by default; you can then override it as you see fit

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin
 wrote:
> Maarten Koopmans wrote:
>
>> Subject says it all: does anyone have a clue or a sample handler that
>> they know off? This is a real nuisance otherwise :(
>
> There's a request in the RQCC for generalized scaling:
> 
>
> Useful as it is for things like some games, anything with controls on it
> will require the developer to write a resizeStack handler to position things
> appropriately for both the current device and the current orientation.
>
> Now that I have a great tablet with the Asus Transformer, it drives me crazy
> to download apps only to find that they merely scale their display for
> tablets, rather than take full advantage of the larger form factor with a
> unique layout optimized for it.  I don't need 5" wide buttons, I need more
> of a view on the content. ;)
>
> And with orientation, if an app only works in one orientation on my tablet I
> generally uninstall it immediately after I discover that.   I like both
> portrait and landscape orientations for different purposes, and if an app
> doesn't adapt to me I'm not going to adapt to the app - simpler just to
> uninstall and find one that was crafted more earnestly.
>
> With LiveCode we have the resizeStack message, sent when the app opens and
> whenever the device orientation changes.  We can use the screenrect to
> intelligently reposition things to provide an optimal experience on any
> device.
>
> --
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>  Fourth World
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Re:

2011-09-13 Thread Colin Holgate

Just say no to drugs Richmond.


On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> http://kellibramble.com/wp-content/uploads/blog.php?html8
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Re: Cheap Android Tablet

2011-09-13 Thread Admin

  

The viewsonic, while good, has a very annoying design flaw and must
be rooted to work properly. you are far better off with a Acer Iconia
A500 - IMO, the best tablet out there because of features and build
quality. 

Mike 

On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:01:05 -0700, Pete wrote: 

>
Thanks for the heads up Roger. I should know by now that most things
that
> sound too good to be true are too good to be true!
> 
> I plan on
getting an Android tablet at some point, hoping a market leader
> will
emerge. I'll check out the Viewsonic
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
> 
> On
Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
> 
>> I'd say the worst
strikes against this tablet is the resistive touchscreen, and OS 2.1
(not LiveCode compatible). I don't know if it could update to 2.2 or
not. I learned the hard way that a resistive screen will increases ones
frustration level immensely. After two cheap tablets, I am happy with my
Viewsonic gTablet for $269. Still cheaper than most, but it is fast and
versatile, running a dual-core Tegra2. I can install 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0
on it for testing LC apps. And having smooth Netlix playback is my
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[OT] Viagra from Livecode?

2011-09-13 Thread Richmond Mathewson

Not at all funny; just got an e-mail ostensibly from the Livecode 
Use-List and myself (!) containing NO title an the following URL:


http://kellibramble.com/wp-content/uploads/blog.php?html8

which leads to some "Orrible" website selling Viagra.

Heather; take note; my Livecode coding skills do NOT need the assistance of 
Viagra pills . . .  :)

Possibly the Use-list has been compromised 



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Re: New App Developed in LiveCode

2011-09-13 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Mike Felker  wrote:

> When will the PC version be available. This looks wonderful.
>

Mike (and anybody else who is interested),

A Windows version of Clarify is now available as a public beta. You can
download it from our website if you want to take a look.

http://clarify-it.com

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2011-09-13 Thread Richmond Mathewson

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Re: iOS initial orientation

2011-09-13 Thread Andrew Henshaw

I couldnt figure this one out either,  so in the end I load the stack with a 
black opaque rectangle at the top,  and have that hide itself after .2 seconds 
(the time varies on the app,  it depends on how much it has to do in the pre 
open.

Its not really noticeable for the user as they get the splash screen which then 
disappears and the app loads,  but it hides the messy upside down or wrong way 
up,  then swivel effect that happens normally.

You can add code to bring the rectangle to the front and set its visible to 
true when you compile and in my example it hides itself just after the stack is 
loaded so it doesnt get in the way for development,  I cant remember the actual 
handler right now but its quite easy to do.

Andy

On 13 Sep 2011, at 04:22, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I have an iOS app that I want to start up in the current device orientation. 
> There is an initial orientation setting in the standalone builder, but 
> depending on how the user is holding the device, that can be upside down in 
> real life. If so, my app opens upside down and then swivels around 180 
> degrees. Does anyone know a way to open it initially in whatever orientation 
> is currently in use?
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