Re: Thanks to Scott Rossi

[Roger Eller]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
>
> Roger Guay wrote
> >
> > A special thanks to Scott Rossi who again gives us an elegant gift in the
> > latest revUP.
> > And a wish for a Happy Holiday to all of you on this great list!
> > Thanks and cheers,
> >
>
> Many Thanks and wish the same for every one of you.
> Just for curiosity, Which revUP newsletter did you
> wrote about?
>
> http://runrev.com/developers/resources/newsletters/
>
> Al


I think this is the newsletter you seek.

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/december/issue125/
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/december/issue125/newsletter3.php
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Re: OT: Tracking Santa

[John Brozycki]

Lynn,

Very cool!  My 8 yr old son has been closely following this all night.  He was 
really impressed how it even had Rudolf, and Rudolf's nose was red.  Well done!

Happy Holidays, all!

-John

On Dec 24, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> NORAD TRACKS SANTA is live today with Santa being tracked "live" and using
> Google Earth.
> 
> Totally off-topic, but if you watch those videos, you'll see a Santa and
> sleigh. These come from Meshbox Design, which is a part of Proactive
> International (and based partially on my original design!). We've been a
> co-contributor to this project for 5+ years now.
> 
> Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Proactive International, LLC
> 
> - Because it is about who you know.(tm)
> http://www.proactive-intl.com 
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Re: Thanks to Scott Rossi

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi Roger,


Roger Guay wrote
> 
> A special thanks to Scott Rossi who again gives us an elegant gift in the
> latest revUP. 
> And a wish for a Happy Holiday to all of you on this great list!
> Thanks and cheers,
> 

Many Thanks and wish the same for every one of you.
Just for curiosity, Which revUP newsletter did you
wrote about?

http://runrev.com/developers/resources/newsletters/

Al

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OT: Tracking Santa

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hi Everyone,

NORAD TRACKS SANTA is live today with Santa being tracked "live" and using
Google Earth.

Totally off-topic, but if you watch those videos, you'll see a Santa and
sleigh. These come from Meshbox Design, which is a part of Proactive
International (and based partially on my original design!). We've been a
co-contributor to this project for 5+ years now.

Have a Merry Christmas everyone!

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
http://www.proactive-intl.com 


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Re: Trouble with button icon images

[Pete]

Great, thanks.

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM, J. Landman Gay
wrote:

> On 12/24/11 11:56 AM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jacque.  When I use the library, I use the Place Reference button
>> to
>> put a button on whatever card I'm working on, preconfigured to refer to
>> the
>> image as its icon.  Are you saying that those images won't show up when I
>> build a standalone?
>>
>
> No, they'll show up fine if they are placed. If you use them as icons, be
> sure to use the placed image's ID. It's just a convenient way to keep
> images somewhere besides on disk, but the behavior after placement is
> identical.
>
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Re: [OT] Sectarian Joy

[James Little]

I too want to wish you all a happy Holiday Season and New Year.   

I also want to thank the many advanced users on this Use-List and on the Forum 
that have been so generous with instructing us less experienced throughout the 
year.  
Perhaps I can adapt a quote from W.C. Fields:

"If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again, then quit.  There’s no point in 
being a damn fool about it."  Just ask the Use-List or the Forum. 

And to adapt a Chinese proverb:

"To be happy for an hour, get drunk.  To be happy for a year, fall in love.  To 
be happy for a life, take up gardening & Livecode."  

Warm regards to you all,

Jim Little 
Seattle 


On Dec 24, 2011, at 4:38 AM, Richmond wrote:

> I would like to wish all people on the Use-List a Happy Festival in the hope
> that whatever your faith, or lack thereof, we can all work together, rather 
> than push in separate
> directions, to a shared attitude of greater kindness and forbearing towards 
> one another.
> 
> Love, Richmond.
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Re: [OT] iPhone is for games, Android is for apps.

[Bernard Devlin]

This article asserts that there are 16 million activations of Android
a month. 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/2011-the-year-of-the-android-os/17021

"Then there are the 10 billion app downloads. That’s a staggering
number, and at the equivalent point in the Apple App Store’s life
cycle, it had only managed around half this number of download. What’s
more impressive is realizing that Google only broke the 3 billion mark
back in March of this year, so that’s 7 billion in around 8 months (it
took Google 20 months to hit the billion download mark in July 2010)."

In the context of those numbers, 91 million a month makes more sense
than 9 million.

The numbers and scale are astounding.

Bernard


On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lambert  wrote:
> If you read the original xyologic article that was quoted by Good Morning 
> Silicon Valley they write, "91,500,00" as the number of Android apps 
> downloaded in Nov. 2011.  They use that 'number' twice in the article.
>
> I wonder if they meant 9 million or 91 million. A missing trailing zero or 
> misplaced commas?
>
> The ratio of 9 million to 25 million app downloads is similar to the ratio of 
> 33 million to 71 million quoted for game downloads.
> If they actually meant 9, that throws the article's thesis into doubt, since 
> the ratio difference between platforms would largely vanish.
>
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Re: [OT] iPhone is for games, Android is for apps.

[Jim Lambert]

If you read the original xyologic article that was quoted by Good Morning 
Silicon Valley they write, "91,500,00" as the number of Android apps downloaded 
in Nov. 2011.  They use that 'number' twice in the article.

I wonder if they meant 9 million or 91 million. A missing trailing zero or 
misplaced commas?

The ratio of 9 million to 25 million app downloads is similar to the ratio of 
33 million to 71 million quoted for game downloads.
If they actually meant 9, that throws the article's thesis into doubt, since 
the ratio difference between platforms would largely vanish.

Jim Lambert
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Re: Trouble with button icon images

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/24/11 11:56 AM, Pete wrote:

Thanks Jacque.  When I use the library, I use the Place Reference button to
put a button on whatever card I'm working on, preconfigured to refer to the
image as its icon.  Are you saying that those images won't show up when I
build a standalone?


No, they'll show up fine if they are placed. If you use them as icons, 
be sure to use the placed image's ID. It's just a convenient way to keep 
images somewhere besides on disk, but the behavior after placement is 
identical.


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Re: How do you do it??

[dunbarx]

Richard.


This returns:


AA
BB


I am sure you meant:


put line y of it into temp[y]


I thought an array would be a more compact way to do what I originally wanted 
to. It is a long story, but the processing needed to form the array was the 
same as I had to do to in ordinary variables.


I am not sure that is true, of course.


It involved my silly license plate game, which I am sure everyone is talking 
about, making words containing arbitrary groups of three letters.


Craig





on mouseUp
get "AA" & return & "BB"
repeat with y = 1 to 2
   put it into temp[y]
end repeat
answer temp[2]
end mouseUp






-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin 
To: use-livecode 
Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 7:47 am
Subject: Re: How do you do it??


dunbarx wrote:

> Why do LC (and HC for that matter) fail to process multi-line variables when 
using "do"?
> on mouseUp
>--get "AA" & return & "BB"
>get "AA"
>repeat with y = 1 to 2
>   do "put" && it && "into temp" & y
>end repeat
>answer temp2
> end mouseUp
>
>
> If the variable "it" contains one line, the "do" construction
> works fine, making numbered temp variables as needed. But if I try the 
> routine 
with a multi-line "it", the handler
> will not compile.

Creating an unknown number of variables is a natural fit for arrays:

on mouseUp
get "AA" & return & "BB"
repeat with y = 1 to 2
   put it into temp[y]
end repeat
answer temp[2]
end mouseUp

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Re: Trouble with button icon images

[Pete]

Thanks Jacque.  When I use the library, I use the Place Reference button to
put a button on whatever card I'm working on, preconfigured to refer to the
image as its icon.  Are you saying that those images won't show up when I
build a standalone?
Thanks,
Pete

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/24/11 10:45 AM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>> Changing the ID fixes the problem, thanks.  What might be the cause of
>> this?
>>
>
> ID conflicts. Each stack can have its own ID numbering, so another control
> somewhere may have had the same ID. If the image with the conflicting ID is
> large or has transparent areas, it may have looked like the icon was empty.
>
> Besides using a substack, you can also place all your icon images in a
> group on the mainstack and then unplace the group from all cards. They'll
> be accessible from anywhere, you won't need an extra stack, and no card
> will display them. ID conflicts can still occur, so each image will need a
> unique ID.
>
>
>
>> On a related topic, I'm wondering what are the advantages/disadvantages of
>> using the Image Library versus putting the application's images in a
>> substack.  I used to import my images into the Image Library and refer to
>> them directly in there but changed to using a substack because I got the
>> impression from some list posts that it might not be a good idea to use
>> the
>> Image Library (can't remember why).
>>
>
> The image library is a convenient storage area for commonly used content,
> but it won't automatically move your images to your stack. That means if
> you distribute the stack or a standalone, the images will be missing. Use
> the library's "place" button to move the images into your working stack
> where they can be found.
>
> It's no different than importing images from disk, but for things you use
> often the library is more convenient. I have a couple of image libaries I
> use all the time.
>
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Re: How do you do it??

[Richard Gaskin]

dunbarx wrote:


Why do LC (and HC for that matter) fail to process multi-line variables when using 
"do"?
on mouseUp
   --get "AA" & return & "BB"
   get "AA"
   repeat with y = 1 to 2
  do "put" && it && "into temp" & y
   end repeat
   answer temp2
end mouseUp


If the variable "it" contains one line, the "do" construction
works fine, making numbered temp variables as needed. But if I try the routine with a 
multi-line "it", the handler
will not compile.


Creating an unknown number of variables is a natural fit for arrays:

on mouseUp
   get "AA" & return & "BB"
   repeat with y = 1 to 2
  put it into temp[y]
   end repeat
   answer temp[2]
end mouseUp

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Re: Optional keywords?

[Bernard Devlin]

I've come across it, but to be honest, I really like the verbose
real-language nature of Livecode.  I am a touch typist, so for me it
really is a question of programming as talking to myself.

One of the main things I wish LC had was named parameters, like in
Python, where one can call a function with something like this:

sum(value1=3, value2=5)

I like how clear it makes things when one sees a function being
called, especially when a function has many parameters.

Also, one can have default values specified in the declaration of a
function in Python.  That's also handy.

Bernard

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 5:26 PM, J. Landman Gay
 wrote:
> On 12/23/11 9:21 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is this well known?
>>
>>
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put "ABCDE" into foo
>>   answer char 2 foo
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>>
>> This works for all chunk types. But where is the keyword "of" (or
>> "in") at line 3? It seems to be optional. Has this always been so?
>> Are there other keywords that do not matter?
>
>
> There are others but I can't remember which they are. I think it's probably
> a case of the engine being so forgiving, and the behavior depends on where
> in the structure the omission occurs. The same is true for some unquoted
> literals which can work at the ends of lines but not in the middle.
>
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Re: Optional keywords?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/23/11 9:21 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:


Is this well known?



on mouseUp
   put "ABCDE" into foo
   answer char 2 foo
end mouseUp



This works for all chunk types. But where is the keyword "of" (or
"in") at line 3? It seems to be optional. Has this always been so?
Are there other keywords that do not matter?


There are others but I can't remember which they are. I think it's 
probably a case of the engine being so forgiving, and the behavior 
depends on where in the structure the omission occurs. The same is true 
for some unquoted literals which can work at the ends of lines but not 
in the middle.


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Re: Trouble with button icon images

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/24/11 10:45 AM, Pete wrote:

Hi Mark,
Changing the ID fixes the problem, thanks.  What might be the cause of this?


ID conflicts. Each stack can have its own ID numbering, so another 
control somewhere may have had the same ID. If the image with the 
conflicting ID is large or has transparent areas, it may have looked 
like the icon was empty.


Besides using a substack, you can also place all your icon images in a 
group on the mainstack and then unplace the group from all cards. 
They'll be accessible from anywhere, you won't need an extra stack, and 
no card will display them. ID conflicts can still occur, so each image 
will need a unique ID.




On a related topic, I'm wondering what are the advantages/disadvantages of
using the Image Library versus putting the application's images in a
substack.  I used to import my images into the Image Library and refer to
them directly in there but changed to using a substack because I got the
impression from some list posts that it might not be a good idea to use the
Image Library (can't remember why).


The image library is a convenient storage area for commonly used 
content, but it won't automatically move your images to your stack. That 
means if you distribute the stack or a standalone, the images will be 
missing. Use the library's "place" button to move the images into your 
working stack where they can be found.


It's no different than importing images from disk, but for things you 
use often the library is more convenient. I have a couple of image 
libaries I use all the time.


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Re: Trouble with button icon images

[Pete]

Hi Mark,
Changing the ID fixes the problem, thanks.  What might be the cause of this?

On a related topic, I'm wondering what are the advantages/disadvantages of
using the Image Library versus putting the application's images in a
substack.  I used to import my images into the Image Library and refer to
them directly in there but changed to using a substack because I got the
impression from some list posts that it might not be a good idea to use the
Image Library (can't remember why).

Thanks

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> What happens if you change the id of the image?
>
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Re: IDE windows and screenrect

[Mike Bonner]

Ah k yep. Thats the one thanks very much!

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I believe a desktopChanged (if that's the correct name) message is sent
> when a monitor disappears or the resolution changes.
>
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> Op 24 dec. 2011 om 16:08 heeft Mike Bonner  het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> > Saw a discussion about this somewhere. Think a plugin came out of the
> talk,
> > but can't remember for sure. If I find it i'll link. (there was also a
> > nifty multi-montor graphic representation thingy that was really cool)
> >
> > Should be pretty easy to put a plugin together to check for valid
> locations
> > against the screenrects.
> >
> > On this subject though, is there a message sent if a monitor in a dual
> > setup goes offline? (again, so that the windows can be re-arranged based
> on
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Re: IDE windows and screenrect

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mike,

I believe a desktopChanged (if that's the correct name) message is sent when a 
monitor disappears or the resolution changes.

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Op 24 dec. 2011 om 16:08 heeft Mike Bonner  het volgende 
geschreven:

> Saw a discussion about this somewhere. Think a plugin came out of the talk,
> but can't remember for sure. If I find it i'll link. (there was also a
> nifty multi-montor graphic representation thingy that was really cool)
> 
> Should be pretty easy to put a plugin together to check for valid locations
> against the screenrects.
> 
> On this subject though, is there a message sent if a monitor in a dual
> setup goes offline? (again, so that the windows can be re-arranged based on
> the new configuration)
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Re: IDE windows and screenrect

[Mike Bonner]

Saw a discussion about this somewhere. Think a plugin came out of the talk,
but can't remember for sure. If I find it i'll link. (there was also a
nifty multi-montor graphic representation thingy that was really cool)

Should be pretty easy to put a plugin together to check for valid locations
against the screenrects.

On this subject though, is there a message sent if a monitor in a dual
setup goes offline? (again, so that the windows can be re-arranged based on
the new configuration)
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Re: IDE windows and screenrect

[Richmond]

On 12/24/2011 04:57 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Anyone else who think it is annoying that windows like the message box and the 
dictionary don't check whether they are inside one of the available screen 
rects? Every time when I disconnects second monitor, the dictionary becomes 
inaccessible!


I've had similar problems when I have moved a computer from a monitor 
that has a high resolution to one that has a smaller res.

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IDE windows and screenrect

[Mark Schonewille]

Anyone else who think it is annoying that windows like the message box and the 
dictionary don't check whether they are inside one of the available screen 
rects? Every time when I disconnects second monitor, the dictionary becomes 
inaccessible!

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Re: Trouble with button icon images

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Pete,

What happens if you change the id of the image?

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Op 23 dec. 2011 om 20:30 heeft Pete  het volgende 
geschreven:

> I have a card in a substack of my mainstack that contains images for
> buttons I use in other substacks.  All seems to work fine so far but I have
> a problem with one button whose image does not show up.  The same image is
> used as the  icon for buttons on other cards and shows up just fine.  If I
> copy a button that uses the image from another card to this card, the image
> disappears from the button.  Other buttons on the same card that refer to
> different images work just fine.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
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[OT] Sectarian Joy

[Richmond]

I would like to wish all people on the Use-List a Happy Festival in the hope
that whatever your faith, or lack thereof, we can all work together, 
rather than push in separate
directions, to a shared attitude of greater kindness and forbearing 
towards one another.


Love, Richmond.

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Re: 5.0.2 startup woes

[Mike Bonner]

There seems to be a timing problem going on in this case. The same question
was in the forums and a workaround is to set up a separate handler to pick
the browse tool and then do a send in time to call it so taht the browse
tool choice ends up at the end of the queue.

There were problems whether the browse tool was picked in preopenstack or
openstack.  When the send in time was used in the openstack handler they
were able to get it to work with 'send "mybrowsetoolhandler" to me in 2
milliseconds'  Hopefully they'll fix this weirdness with the next update.
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Re: 5.0.2 startup woes

[Pierre Sahores]

Try :

set the tool to "browse"

HTH,

Le 24 déc. 2011 à 07:30, Warren Samples a écrit :

> On 12/23/2011 11:40 PM, Fred Moyer wrote:
>> Now with this new 5.0.2 that I just purchased, various startup, openstack 
>> and preopenstack commands do not implement -- that is they don't implement 
>> when I double-click on the stack while LiveCode is not running. (Everything 
>> works fine if LiveCode is already running.) But, for example, if you make a 
>> stack that simply consists of a stack script that says:
>> 
>> on openstack
>>   choose browse tool
>>   beep
>> end openstack
>> 
>> If you double-click on the stack with LiveCode not running, and 5.0.2 starts 
>> up, does the tool change to browse tool? In my computer (Mac), it doesn't -- 
>> but the computer does beep. Am I missing something really basic here? If I 
>> drag my new version 5.0.2 to the trash,  which leaves 4.6.4 to start up, and 
>> do the same thing, the tool switches to browse tool as it should. There are 
>> other startup issues suddenly going on in 5.0.2 which I don't understand.
>> 
>> Can anyone advise?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Fred
>> 
> 
> 
> This also happens here in Linux. In 5.0, Livecode opens, the stack appears 
> and both parts of this script work. In 5.0.2 the stack is opening almost 
> instantly and well before the Livecode toolbar appears. It beeps but does not 
> switch to the browse tool. It would seem that Livecode is attempting to run 
> the script before it's fully ready.
> 
> Warren
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