date:20120324

Hi there,

I was very happy RR announced support for LC 5.1 so I bought my
upgrade last night.
I installed it, pointed the new Xcode 4.3.1 app to the developer root
and so far so good.

I opened a stack and checked the standalone settings for iOS and
noticed the new layout.
But I think there is something wrong with it.
My settings are lost every time I close and save  my stack and reopen it.
Everytime it opens with the default settings. It also occurs to me
that the screen is to small. So I have it to drag it bigger to see all
the settings.
And the biggest trouble s that it doesn't show my Profiles. Only the
standard iOS Team provisioning Profile is visible.

I anyone else having the same problem?
Am I missing something?

I use OSX 10.7.3 with LC 5.5 GM2
When I use LC 5.02 with the old Xcode 4.2 and the old location of the
Developer root everything works fine (except the support for iOS 5.1)


greetings,

William

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Re: Translation s'il vous plait/por favor :-)

2012-03-24 Thread jacques CLAVEL

Francis,

There are a lot of french in the list!

Y am not fluent in English, and if I need to translate a sentence from
French to English, I'll ask to the list.
And Ill very happy if you help me.

Jacques Clavel

2012/3/23 Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com

 In the words of Google, Telle est la langue.

 Bob


 On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

  Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
 
  Klaus, I would hate to be pedantic, but I can't miss
  adding my 2 cents.
 
  Dictionnaries exist to clearly define the meaning
  of a word or phrase in another language. But the
  translations, based upon the etymology of the terms
  in these languages are often betrayed by the personal
  interpretations of the users. If we can try and forget the
  environment of our computer translation (files, folders,
  disk drives, et tutti quanti), we can try to home in on
  best best translation available for a specific language.
 
  The French language (to my knowledge) lacks the
  precise equivalent of the English into (which
  means from the outside of ... to the inside of ...).
  So may we fall into the trap of personal interpretation !
 
  The French a denotes location only, but gives little
  information concerning the direction, and even less
  about the subtleties of inside or outside.
  I find it to be the worst possible translation.
 
  The French dans means in or at best inside,
  and has no implication of the 'into I show above.
  However, I find it a better solution than a.
 
  The French sur implies lying on top of and
  certainly does not imply inside. Much depends on
  the personal interpretation. As a long-standing
  nit-picker I would never use this.
 
  The French vers means in the direction of, which
  I find to be acceptable in the translation you request,
  because it simply skips over the notion inside, (but
  nevertheless implies it (The idea of copying a file to
  the outside of a folder would be nonsense !).
  But then again, this can be personal interpretation.
 
  These comments in no way undermine the scope of the
  French language, which can be so powerful in many areas.
 
  .. et a la fin de l'envoi, je touche .!  (French Fencing term)
 
  -Francis
 
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Re: Tools for creating a help file

2012-03-24 Thread Klaus on-rev

Hi Pete,

Am 24.03.2012 um 01:36 schrieb Pete:

 Hi Klaus,
 Haven't used revBrowser before but I got the example from runrev's web site
 at
 http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/15963-how-do-i-display-a-pdf-in-rev
 
 However, nothing displays in the browser image no matter what pdf file I
 select.  Also tried it with a straightforward http:// url and nothing
 displayed.
 
 Any tips on how to get this to work?

I think you need to add file:// at the beginning of the url which is missing 
in that tutorial.

Try this slightly modified mouseup script from the example mentioned above:
...
on mouseUp
local tFile

answer file Please choose the file you would like to display with type 
PDF document|pdf|PDF
if it is not empty then
put it into tFile

  ##!!!
  replace   with %20 in tFile
  put file:// before tFile
  ## !!!

browserSetURL tFile
end if
end mouseUp

Tested on my Mac and works :-)

 Pete

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Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

Hi there,

In LC I grouped several objects to make an image. I used the line and
rectangle tools for this.
Is it possible to use this 'image' (or grouped objects) as an icon button?


greetings,

William

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Re: Bug in custom fonts on iOS?

Ken,

Very nice explanation and solution for dealing with the fontStyles and textFont.

Thanks

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On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:00 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

 
 Doing a 'Get Info' for those fonts, they all come up with names like this:
 
 Myriad Pro-Cond
 Myriad Pro-Bold
 Myriad Pro-Italic
 etc...
 
 Using my calibrated eye, the hyphen between 'Myriad Pro' and 'Cond' 
 looks like an em-dash.  Could that break things?
 
 Has anyone else seen this problem?  (bonus: anyone have a work around?)
 
 It's not a bug, technically, but an idiosyncracy of working with mobile - 
 this is referenced loosely in the iOS Deployment Release Notes (page 13), but 
 here's the skinny:
 
 Fonts are assigned using the internal font name of a specific weight of a 
 font (like AmericanTypewriter-CondensedLight), but that is not in the 
 fontNames; it's in the fontStyles for a specific font, so to verify that 
 you are setting a font properly, you have to check the fontStyles of every 
 font.
 
 For example, you can set the textFont of a field in the IDE to Palatino, 
 but when you move the app to iOS, the textFont of the field is actually 
 Palatino-Roman, which is one of the fontStyles of the Palatino font.
 
 So for your app, if you want to display the different weights of the font, on 
 iOS you'd say:
 
  put the fontStyles(Myriad Pro,0) into tFontWeights 
 
 … which would give you back Myriad Pro-Cond, Myriad Pro-Bold, etc.
 
 What I've done for my application is to create a lookup table that I store in 
 a custom property of my stack that maps these weights to names I want to 
 have appear in a font menu. So for example, you could have:
 
 Myriad Pro-Cond = Myriad Pro Condensed
 Myriad Pro-Bold = Myriad Pro Bold
 (etc.)
 
 and then when someone picks Myriad Pro Condensed from the font menu, you do 
 the lookup, find out that the weight is actually Myriad Pro-Cond and 
 execute:
 
  set the textfont of whatever to Myriad Pro-Cond
 
 A pain, but it works…
 
 
 Ken Ray
 Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
 Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
 Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
 
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Re: Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

2012-03-24 Thread Richmond


On 03/24/2012 05:50 PM, William de Smet wrote:

Hi there,

In LC I grouped several objects to make an image. I used the line and
rectangle tools for this.
Is it possible to use this 'image' (or grouped objects) as an icon button?



I'm not quite sure what you mean by an icon button.

You can use an image or a group as a button; in fact I almost never use
buttons as buttons; much preferring to use images so I can guarantee they
look the same across different systems and computers.

After all, you can have a script:

on mouseUp
  put This works!
end mouseUp

in a group just as well as you can in a button.


greetings,

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Re: LC 5.5 GM2 and trouble with standalone settings

William,

All except the saving of settings is happening here. When I make a change in 
the standalone settings it stays between closing and opening of my stack. 
But the window not being sized correctly to handle the contents of the iOS 
settings and the missing Profiles is a problem.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgr...@comcast.net

On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:00 AM, William de Smet wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 I was very happy RR announced support for LC 5.1 so I bought my
 upgrade last night.
 I installed it, pointed the new Xcode 4.3.1 app to the developer root
 and so far so good.
 
 I opened a stack and checked the standalone settings for iOS and
 noticed the new layout.
 But I think there is something wrong with it.
 My settings are lost every time I close and save  my stack and reopen it.
 Everytime it opens with the default settings. It also occurs to me
 that the screen is to small. So I have it to drag it bigger to see all
 the settings.
 And the biggest trouble s that it doesn't show my Profiles. Only the
 standard iOS Team provisioning Profile is visible.
 
 I anyone else having the same problem?
 Am I missing something?
 
 I use OSX 10.7.3 with LC 5.5 GM2
 When I use LC 5.02 with the old Xcode 4.2 and the old location of the
 Developer root everything works fine (except the support for iOS 5.1)
 
 
 greetings,
 
 William
 
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Re: Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

Hi Richmond,

I should read my own question better :-)
I meant button icon.

I know you can set an image as a button icon and that is what I do all
the time. I use a card for all my images and call them with their ID
in buttons.
But with the resolution change for the new iPad and different screen
sizes of Android systems I am looking for a way to 'easy' resize my
button icons/images.


groeten,

William



2012/3/24 Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com:
 On 03/24/2012 05:50 PM, William de Smet wrote:

 Hi there,

 In LC I grouped several objects to make an image. I used the line and
 rectangle tools for this.
 Is it possible to use this 'image' (or grouped objects) as an icon button?


 I'm not quite sure what you mean by an icon button.

 You can use an image or a group as a button; in fact I almost never use
 buttons as buttons; much preferring to use images so I can guarantee they
 look the same across different systems and computers.

 After all, you can have a script:

 on mouseUp
  put This works!
 end mouseUp

 in a group just as well as you can in a button.

 greetings,

 William

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Re: Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

I think there needs to be a profile like the Master Profiles but for graphics 
for buttons and font sizes for fields and buttons so that if my geometry 
changes like for a retina screen then LC can change the image used for each 
button to the hi-res version. I am doing this manually now but is a pain. At 
this point I don't think there is an 'easy' way yet.


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On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:05 PM, William de Smet wrote:

 Hi Richmond,
 
 I should read my own question better :-)
 I meant button icon.
 
 I know you can set an image as a button icon and that is what I do all
 the time. I use a card for all my images and call them with their ID
 in buttons.
 But with the resolution change for the new iPad and different screen
 sizes of Android systems I am looking for a way to 'easy' resize my
 button icons/images.
 
 
 groeten,
 
 William
 
 
 
 2012/3/24 Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com:
 On 03/24/2012 05:50 PM, William de Smet wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 In LC I grouped several objects to make an image. I used the line and
 rectangle tools for this.
 Is it possible to use this 'image' (or grouped objects) as an icon button?
 
 
 I'm not quite sure what you mean by an icon button.
 
 You can use an image or a group as a button; in fact I almost never use
 buttons as buttons; much preferring to use images so I can guarantee they
 look the same across different systems and computers.
 
 After all, you can have a script:
 
 on mouseUp
  put This works!
 end mouseUp
 
 in a group just as well as you can in a button.
 
 greetings,
 
 William
 
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Re: LC 5.5 GM2 and trouble with standalone settings

@Thomas:

Thanks for your reply!
Now I can stop pulling my hear out.
RR was to fast with their 'Stop Press Announcement'!

greetings,

William



2012/3/24 Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com:
 William,

 All except the saving of settings is happening here. When I make a change in 
 the standalone settings it stays between closing and opening of my stack.
 But the window not being sized correctly to handle the contents of the iOS 
 settings and the missing Profiles is a problem.

 -- Tom McGrath III
 http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
 3mcgr...@comcast.net

 On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:00 AM, William de Smet wrote:

 Hi there,

 I was very happy RR announced support for LC 5.1 so I bought my
 upgrade last night.
 I installed it, pointed the new Xcode 4.3.1 app to the developer root
 and so far so good.

 I opened a stack and checked the standalone settings for iOS and
 noticed the new layout.
 But I think there is something wrong with it.
 My settings are lost every time I close and save  my stack and reopen it.
 Everytime it opens with the default settings. It also occurs to me
 that the screen is to small. So I have it to drag it bigger to see all
 the settings.
 And the biggest trouble s that it doesn't show my Profiles. Only the
 standard iOS Team provisioning Profile is visible.

 I anyone else having the same problem?
 Am I missing something?

 I use OSX 10.7.3 with LC 5.5 GM2
 When I use LC 5.02 with the old Xcode 4.2 and the old location of the
 Developer root everything works fine (except the support for iOS 5.1)


 greetings,

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Re: Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

2012-03-24 Thread Klaus on-rev

Dag Willem,

Am 24.03.2012 um 17:05 schrieb William de Smet:

 Hi Richmond,
 
 I should read my own question better :-)
 I meant button icon.
 
 I know you can set an image as a button icon and that is what I do all
 the time. I use a card for all my images and call them with their ID
 in buttons.
 But with the resolution change for the new iPad and different screen
 sizes of Android systems I am looking for a way to 'easy' resize my
 button icons/images.

No you always need an image as an icon for buttons!
But you could create a snapshot of that group on the fly and use that as an 
icon!
...
lock screen
import snapshot from rect(the rect of grp DRAW fake) of grp DRAW fake
put the id of last img into tNewIcon
hide last img
set the icon of btn your button here... to tNewIcon
unlock screen
...

 groeten,
 
 William

Groetjes

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Re: LC 5.5 GM2 and trouble with standalone settings

Yeah, Obleo mentioned that since it is the weekend we have to wait till Monday 
for RR to pick up on the problem. Still it is nice to be able to test using the 
team profile in the iOS 5.1 simulator and to test on the iPad 3.


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On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:14 PM, William de Smet wrote:

 @Thomas:
 
 Thanks for your reply!
 Now I can stop pulling my hear out.
 RR was to fast with their 'Stop Press Announcement'!
 
 greetings,
 
 William
 
 
 
 2012/3/24 Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com:
 William,
 
 All except the saving of settings is happening here. When I make a change in 
 the standalone settings it stays between closing and opening of my stack.
 But the window not being sized correctly to handle the contents of the iOS 
 settings and the missing Profiles is a problem.
 
 -- Tom McGrath III
 http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
 3mcgr...@comcast.net
 
 On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:00 AM, William de Smet wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 I was very happy RR announced support for LC 5.1 so I bought my
 upgrade last night.
 I installed it, pointed the new Xcode 4.3.1 app to the developer root
 and so far so good.
 
 I opened a stack and checked the standalone settings for iOS and
 noticed the new layout.
 But I think there is something wrong with it.
 My settings are lost every time I close and save  my stack and reopen it.
 Everytime it opens with the default settings. It also occurs to me
 that the screen is to small. So I have it to drag it bigger to see all
 the settings.
 And the biggest trouble s that it doesn't show my Profiles. Only the
 standard iOS Team provisioning Profile is visible.
 
 I anyone else having the same problem?
 Am I missing something?
 
 I use OSX 10.7.3 with LC 5.5 GM2
 When I use LC 5.02 with the old Xcode 4.2 and the old location of the
 Developer root everything works fine (except the support for iOS 5.1)
 
 
 greetings,
 
 William
 
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Re: Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

@Klaus: Thanks, this works great!

greetings,

William



2012/3/24 Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.com:
 Dag Willem,

 Am 24.03.2012 um 17:05 schrieb William de Smet:

 Hi Richmond,

 I should read my own question better :-)
 I meant button icon.

 I know you can set an image as a button icon and that is what I do all
 the time. I use a card for all my images and call them with their ID
 in buttons.
 But with the resolution change for the new iPad and different screen
 sizes of Android systems I am looking for a way to 'easy' resize my
 button icons/images.

 No you always need an image as an icon for buttons!
 But you could create a snapshot of that group on the fly and use that as an 
 icon!
 ...
 lock screen
 import snapshot from rect(the rect of grp DRAW fake) of grp DRAW fake
 put the id of last img into tNewIcon
 hide last img
 set the icon of btn your button here... to tNewIcon
 unlock screen
 ...

 groeten,

 William

 Groetjes

 Klaus

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Re: Specify file download path with irev/revignitor

2012-03-24 Thread stephen barncard

not clear about your methodology on the download.. you might need to set
the defaultFolder

are use using RevBrowser in some way or is this a LC client app on the
client and RevIgniter on the host?

anyway for detection of a folder on the client machine (from the docs)
if there is a folder [filepath] then go card ID 3445

The folderPath specifies the name and location glossary/f/200.xml of a
folder dictionary/property/1981.xml you want to check. If you specify a
name but not a location, LiveCode looks for the
folderdictionary/property/1981.xmlin the
defaultFolder dictionary/property/1981.xml.

Delete works the same way:

delete file My Test.rev

the defaultFolder works for this command too. Errors should be in the
result - this deletes immediately, and file is not put into the trash.

On 24 March 2012 00:29, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote:

Hi,

Have wasted enough hours -- time to ask the pros on the list!

We are passing out free, promotional MP3 players to our customers.

Weekly, they will be allowed to download from our web site (hosted at
on-rev.com) new free mp3 files not available to the general public. Want
customers/users of our web page to be able to click one button to download
a set of files to specific folder -- the mp3 player, for which we know the
volume name (set up before sending out the players).

Want to check for the volume's existence (player is/is not mounted on
computer) and then download the list of mp3s to it, failing with an error
message if the player is full.

I can get the files to download, but only to the download folder specified
by the browser.

1) How can I set the path for the download using 'raw' irev/lc scripting,
or revigniter?
2) How can I first check for existence of volume?
3) (Bonus points!) How can I erase files off the volume/players? (Of
course only erasing files gotten from us -- known filenames -- and with
their permission.)

Any help appreciated.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

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Re: Can I use grouped objects as an icon button?

2012-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin


Klaus wrote:

...
lock screen
import snapshot from rect(the rect of grp DRAW fake) of grp DRAW fake
put the id of last img into tNewIcon
hide last img
set the icon of btn your button here... to tNewIcon
unlock screen
...


You can also reuse an existing image by replacing its contents with an 
export snapshot to a variable:


  export snapshot from grp Draw Fake to tVar as png
  put tVar into img whatever


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What Livecode work with what xCode for iOS?

2012-03-24 Thread Dar Scott

What versions of Livecode work with what versions of xCode for iOS?

And if it depends and anybody knows...
In using the test button?
In creating standalones?
In using externals made from that xCode?

A pointer to web pages or emails to extract that will be OK.

(And I'd also like to know what versions of OS X those versions of xCode will 
run on and what SDKs (iOS or OS X) they will support, but I should be able to 
pull that from the Apple site.)

Dar


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Re: Tools for creating a help file

Hi Klaus,
Tried that and still no luck.  When I look at the url it starts with
file:/// (3 slashes).  Is that OK?

I'm not sure what's going on here.  I'm using the revBrowser sample stack
provided by runrev and it won;t access any web sites, never mind pdf files.
 For instance, I tried www.google.com in the URL box.  The status message
at the bottom says accessing http://www.google.com;, the lights at the top
right flash away and it just stays like that, no web site displayed.

My internet connection is working fine and I can access web site just fine
with my Chrome browser.

Pete

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.comwrote:

 replace   with %20 in tFile
  put file:// before tFile




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iOS Crash

2012-03-24 Thread Dan Friedman

I have an iOS app for iPad that runs great in the simulator and on my iPad1 
running iOS 5.0.1.  However, on a new iPad3 running iOS 5.1, the app crashes 
upon launch (we see the splash screen and then crash).  I built the app on a 
Mac running:

Mac OSX 10.6.8
Xcode 4.2
LiveCode 5.5 (GM 2)

Am I doing something wrong?


Thank you in advance!
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Re: iOS Crash

Hi Dan,

iOS 5.1 needs Xcode 4.3.

Greetings,

William

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Op 24 mrt. 2012 om 18:42 heeft Dan Friedman d...@clearvisiontech.com het 
volgende geschreven:

 I have an iOS app for iPad that runs great in the simulator and on my iPad1 
 running iOS 5.0.1.  However, on a new iPad3 running iOS 5.1, the app crashes 
 upon launch (we see the splash screen and then crash).  I built the app on a 
 Mac running:
 
 Mac OSX 10.6.8
 Xcode 4.2
 LiveCode 5.5 (GM 2)
 
 Am I doing something wrong?
 
 
 Thank you in advance!
 -Dan
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Re: iOS Crash

2012-03-24 Thread Tim Jones

On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:00 AM, William de Smet wrote:

 Hi Dan,
 
 iOS 5.1 needs Xcode 4.3.

One issue with that, William - why do apps built with earlier Xcode versions 
work on my Gen 3 iPad running iOS 5.1?  It may be Apple's claim for running the 
emulator and to access the new SDK API's, but that shouldn't prevent original 
code from working when built with the previous Xcode version.  Something seems 
fishy here.

Anyone else running into 5.1 issues?

Tim


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Re: LC 5.5 GM2 and trouble with standalone settings


On 3/24/12 11:21 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Yeah, Obleo mentioned that since it is the weekend we have to wait
till Monday for RR to pick up on the problem. Still it is nice to be
able to test using the team profile in the iOS 5.1 simulator and to
test on the iPad 3.


It looks like you might be able to manually change the profile in the 
custom property settings. In the custom property set 
cRevStandaloneSettings there is a property called iOS,profile. It 
looks like the ID of a profile.


To see that property set, LiveCode UI elements in lists must be 
selected from the View menu.


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Re: iOS Crash

Hi Tim,

You are right that Apple claims it needs 4.3 but I had the same thing when iOS 
5.0 was released. One of my apps was not built for 5.0 (but 4.2) and kept 
crashing on other iPads with 5.0 but not on my own with 5.0. I loaded the app 
on my iPad with Xcode 4.2 and all was fine. When I downloaded my app from the 
App Store it also crashed. When I built it for 5.0 the crashing stopped. 

So Apple is right? I don't know.

Greetings,

William

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Op 24 mrt. 2012 om 19:12 heeft Tim Jones tolis...@me.com het volgende 
geschreven:

 On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:00 AM, William de Smet wrote:
 
 Hi Dan,
 
 iOS 5.1 needs Xcode 4.3.
 
 One issue with that, William - why do apps built with earlier Xcode versions 
 work on my Gen 3 iPad running iOS 5.1?  It may be Apple's claim for running 
 the emulator and to access the new SDK API's, but that shouldn't prevent 
 original code from working when built with the previous Xcode version.  
 Something seems fishy here.
 
 Anyone else running into 5.1 issues?
 
 Tim
 
 
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Re: Text formatting for a slider

2012-03-24 Thread Björnke von Gierke

There is no way to get all the properties of an object, because the 
properties and the propertynames both are incomplete. There are been several 
enhancement requests in the quality center, but no action or even reply at 
all from LC, as usual.

The only way to get all the props is to get the list of all properties from the 
dictionary, and then write a script that sets each property of an object within 
a try/catch structure: those that fail, the object does not support.

It's super tedious, and then there's some undocumented properties too, but this 
approach will yield more of the possible ones then going with other approaches. 
Furthermore, there's no way to find out the possible settings out that way, 
again this can only be found in the dictionary, but this time around, it's not 
machine readable.



On 21.03.2012, at 21:24, Richmond wrote:

 On 03/21/2012 10:12 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
 Stephen,
 
 What has me puzzled, maybe you have the answer, is a function to return ALL 
 the properties of a given object.
 
 
 
 Here's what I did to get ALL the props of a slider:
 
 on mouseUp
   put the properties of control ZLIDER into propARRAY
   combine propARRAY by return and tab
   put propARRAY into fld PROPPS
 end mouseUp
 
 I think the middle line is what throws most people off.
 
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ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-24 Thread Roger Guay

Hi all,

The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico Fermi's 
question asked in the 1940's, Where is everybody? is still germane today.

I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two criteria 
relevant to this SETI problem: 1) The asynchronous evolution of intelligence 
throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short duration of the radio 
stage of alien technologies.

You can download this stack at:


https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode

I welcome any feedback.

Thanks and cheers,
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Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-24 Thread Tim Jones

Ready to defend your thesis?  Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi antithesis to 
your points below -

How have we determined how long the relatively short duration of the radio 
stage of any societies is?

How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into account, that 
humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the nearby galaxy?

:-)

Tim


On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

 Hi all,
   
 The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico Fermi's 
 question asked in the 1940's, Where is everybody? is still germane today.
 
 I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two criteria 
 relevant to this SETI problem: 1) The asynchronous evolution of 
 intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short 
 duration of the radio stage of alien technologies.
 
 You can download this stack at:
 
   
 https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode
 
 I welcome any feedback.
 
 Thanks and cheers,
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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Alejandro Tejada

Hi All,

How sad is this recent turn in Linux development! :-((

Many, many years ago, when a group of friends (software developers)
show me the Linux OS, I told them that, in a future, most computer
users would be using it. Of course, they laugh a lot of my comment
and proceed to show me why this could not happen.

They ask me how it was possible that me (being a Macintosh User,
at least in that specific moment of time) I was wishing that most of
the computer users will use Linux in the future. (no, not my wish but
a prediction based in the information that they told me)

According to them, my wish should have been that every computer
user had a Macintosh in their desk... WRONG.
Most of the time, I try to be impartial with my opinions and appreciations
and possibly because of this when I was a Mac user, I DO NOT joined
the club of Mac fans, who (at least in the country where I live) always
display
a perverse joy in bashing Microsoft OS (Dos and Windows) and every other
Operating Systems, including OS/2, AmigaOS, Unix and (of course) Linux.
I strongly suspect that the company of that time (or their salesman)
cultivated and promoted this behavior.

What did I saw in Linux, that according to my opinion would make it
a success? That all Developers were colaborating toward a common goal,
instead of competing against each other... As simple like that.

At least from my humble point of view, this is the way how everything
that is worth and perdurable in this life come to existence, grows and
stays with us.

Eventually, these clashes about user interfaces will solve themselves, but
there is an important part of the Open Source movement that was
not created along with it: Open Schools that teach 1) how to use
these software (open source projects documentation is sorely missing or
arcane in best cases)
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/why-open-source-documentation-lags/6484
and 2) how to develop software in the programming languages most frecuently
used for open source projects. The Open source movement depends too much
from the availability and generosity of Business, Goverments and
Professional developers
to fund their projects.

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Heavy Crit. was Re: Text formatting for a slider

2012-03-24 Thread Richmond


On 03/24/2012 08:31 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:

There is no way to get all the properties of an object, because the properties and the 
propertynames both are incomplete. There are been several enhancement requests in the 
quality center, but no action or even reply at all from LC, as usual.


This as usual begins to feel increasingly insulting.

Over the years (and, I, for one, have been contributing/stirring things 
up on this list for about 11 years), a lot of people
(most far more knowledgeable than myself) have been posting many 
wonderful things, AND made some fairly trenchant criticisms
about a variety of problems / loopholes / inconsistencies, have it 
how you will.


and there is a general feeling that isn't often as explicitly stated as 
'Richmond-the-big-mouth' states things that, for all the
fancy words about RunRev being user-friendly and receptive to user 
feedback this is all a load of tosh, and RunRev

doesn't really give a monkey's.

snip

Now, Björnke made some fairly snide remarks to me at the developer 
conference in Edinburgh about how my

'direct way' alienated a lot of others on the Use-List;

He went to great pains to tell me (in the Pollok Halls of residence) how 
many Use-List regulars developed special anti-Richmond filters -

I felt flattered . . .  :)

but, of course, what he was not prepared to admit was that
I am extremely convenient for those who want to do the Pastor 
Neimoller, in that I can be relied on to call a
spade a f***ing shovel at times like them, take the heat, while they 
get any benefit that may accrue from it.


Despite Björnke's remarks; there is a need for somebody, sometimes to 
stand up and state a few
unpleasant truths - the silly thing about sound recording springs to 
mind (not forgetting the eternal one about
exporting sounds). And, as somebody who does not make his money out of 
RunRev's products (however dearly he would
like to), and does not depend on his reputation with RunRev or other 
subscribers to the Use-list for his
CV or his next job, he is not afraid to stand up and state that, over 
the years, while RunRev has stated time and again, that they

value end-user feedback, they have not really demonstrated that at all.

After 11 years of working with RunRev/Livecode I am well aware of its 
strengths, and it is my weapon of choice far ahead
of all the others 'out there'; this is exactly why I am very sad that 
there are so many things that have not been addressed

by the developers which would strengthen it still further.

I am well aware that quite a lot of repair work has been overlooked in 
the mad rush forwards to grab the handheld market;
but now that has been sorted out, surely a period of retrenchment is 
called for, to address these very real shortcomings
that have been festering away there in the back like a series of 
ingrowing toenails.


-

This hurts me all the more, because when I attended the developer 
conference in Edinburgh, and visited RunRev's headquarters
in the New Town I could see how much LOVE (and I mean love) was being 
poured into Livecode, how much effort,

and how much brain-power.

Livecode is such a good product, and has been for a very long time, that 
were the RunRev people just a bit more responsive
to the very real criticisms, offered not in a  spirit of nastiness, but 
in a spirit of wanting to help, it could be absolutely

outstanding.

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Collisions

2012-03-24 Thread Richard MacLemale

I'm working on a very simple iPad app where 4 large shapes randomly float 
around on the screen.  What I'd like to do is have them be able to bounce off 
each other if they happen to touch.  Are there any tutorial pages or sample 
stacks out there that anyone knows of that I could use as a starting point?  I 
can do collision detection with intersect, but before I spend countless hours 
reinventing the wheel, I thought I'd ask.

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Re: Text formatting for a slider

Hi Bjornke,
Does the below mean your Docu plugin won't work with 5.5?  I'd be sorry if
that was the case - it's sooo much better than the built in dictionary
interface!
Pete

2012/3/24 Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com

 Furthermore, there's no way to find out the possible settings out that
 way, again this can only be found in the dictionary, but this time around,
 it's not machine readable.




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Problems downloading files from iDisk pages

2012-03-24 Thread Alejandro Tejada

Hi All,

Please visit these iDisk webpages from Tom McCarthy
and Glenn Fisher:

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=speakuptemplatefn=FileSharing17.htmlxmlfn=TKDocument.17.xmlsitefn=TKSite.9.xmlaff=consumercty=USlang=en

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wo/hrsEJEFvReUNVk0H.1/0.2.1.2.26.31.97.11.35.0.1.1.1?user=gefisherfpath=revStackstemplatefn=FileSharing2.html

I found these links in the mail list archive and discover
that could not download the original file posted in
the mail list message or any of the visible files in
the iDisk webpage.

Could you download files from these pages using browsers in
MacOS, iOS, Android or Linux?

Thanks in advance!

Al

 

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Re: Problems downloading files from iDisk pages

2012-03-24 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Alejandro,

.Mac was discontinued 3 years ago and taken off-line 1.5 years ago.

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On 24 mrt 2012, at 21:51, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Please visit these iDisk webpages from Tom McCarthy
 and Glenn Fisher:
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=speakuptemplatefn=FileSharing17.htmlxmlfn=TKDocument.17.xmlsitefn=TKSite.9.xmlaff=consumercty=USlang=en
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wo/hrsEJEFvReUNVk0H.1/0.2.1.2.26.31.97.11.35.0.1.1.1?user=gefisherfpath=revStackstemplatefn=FileSharing2.html
 
 I found these links in the mail list archive and discover
 that could not download the original file posted in
 the mail list message or any of the visible files in
 the iDisk webpage.
 
 Could you download files from these pages using browsers in
 MacOS, iOS, Android or Linux?
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Al


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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin


Alejandro Tejada wrote:


What did I saw in Linux, that according to my opinion would make it
a success? That all Developers were colaborating toward a common goal,
instead of competing against each other... As simple like that.


I used to feel the same way, quite passionately so.  I think my early 
posts in the Ubuntu forums may reflect that.


But over the years, after spending more time at Linux conferences, IRCs, 
forums, etc., I've come to appreciate that one of the core values in 
that community is diversity:  everyone gets exactly what they want.


Sometimes what people want is to work on really big projects and that 
means tempering their own preferences in favor of the group's larger goals.


Other times it means just scratching an itch, making something you'd 
like for yourself.  That's what started all this with the utils rms 
made, and the same with Linus' post to Usenet when he started the kernel.


To have so many distros and desktop environments isn't competition per 
se, any more than users of all OSes enjoy having many different apps 
available to solve a given problem.


On the contrary, such diversity just gives us more choices.

Everyone gets exactly what they want.

Where Linux differs from single-company OSes is that with those your 
ability to make any choices about how you spend your day ends with 
applications; the design of the OS itself is decided by a small group of 
people under one roof far far away, and you either like it or you don't, 
but you can't change it.


With Linux, you can choose among hundreds of distros, and customize them 
with the desktop environment of your choice, and then add all manner of 
widgets and tweaks to ever further hone it to be exactly what you want 
it to be.




At least from my humble point of view, this is the way how everything
that is worth and perdurable in this life come to existence, grows and
stays with us.


In the natural world evolution favors diversity.

Since FOSS projects tend to reflect organic systems more than projects 
driven by a single organization, it seems natural that diversity would 
flourish in the Linux world.


The diversity that characterizes the Linux world isn't what's holding it 
back.


The only thing holding it back is the simple human nature of consumers:

People buy whole-product solutions.

Linux is an OS, and an OS isn't a complete solution; it needs a computer 
to run it on.


Very few people truly ever choose their OS per se.  What people buy is a 
computer, and it comes with an OS already installed.  It's a complete 
solution, hardware and software - just turn it on and enjoy.


It would never occur to the average person to replace the OS that came 
with their computer with something they downloaded off the Internet.


Sure, more than 60 million people have done so, but those are a rare breed.

Linux can only become mainstream when you can walk into your corner 
Walmart and buy a machine with Linux pre-installed.



Dell, Asus, Acer and others release new models nearly every quarter with 
Ubuntu pre-installed, but mostly in markets outside the US (Italy, 
China, Thailand, and Taiwan were the last batches I in late 2011).


But in general, PC vendors are working as hard as they can do destroy 
shareholder value by refusing to differentiate:


No matter how much they spend on RD, no matter how many design meetings 
they have, no matter how much they spend on fabrication, all of it is a 
waste of money because as soon as the user turns on the machine the 
experience is identical across all computers from all of those vendors 
down to the pixel: Microsoft Windows.


This refusal to differentiate has limited their ability to compete to 
just one dimension: price. And they're paying for it dearly, with 
margins plummeting year after year, and even the heavyweights like HP 
and Dell are now wondering if they can remain in the PC game at all.


They seem to believe that the Ultrabook will raise their margins, but 
once again they're missing the mark: if everyone sells the same thing, 
the only leverage they have is on price. We can expect downward pressure 
on Ultrabook price points later this year, ultimately bringing them 
closer to traditional laptop prices, further eroding profits.


If there was ever a time for a major PC vendor to consider launching a 
global line of systems with Ubuntu preinstalled, it's now - before most 
of them go bankrupt.


As long as they all ship the same user experience in the OS, expect 
further consolidation with some of them dropping out entirely before 
2013 is done.


Here the clue train pulls into the station for PC vendors:

Differentiate or die.

Ubuntu is one opportunity available for that...

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Re: What Livecode work with what xCode for iOS?

2012-03-24 Thread Dar Scott

I think I can get most of what I need by looking at the iOS Release notes, the 
mobile preferences tab, and the iOS standalone settings for each LiveCode 
version.  Also, I'm looking at the requirements for some versions of the 
external SDK, but only the description for the latest SDK release seems to be 
available online.  

Dar


On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

 What versions of Livecode work with what versions of xCode for iOS?
 
 And if it depends and anybody knows...
 In using the test button?
 In creating standalones?
 In using externals made from that xCode?
 
 A pointer to web pages or emails to extract that will be OK.
 
 (And I'd also like to know what versions of OS X those versions of xCode will 
 run on and what SDKs (iOS or OS X) they will support, but I should be able to 
 pull that from the Apple site.)
 
 Dar
 
 
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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

Hi Richard,
This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering getting a
computer to run Linux.  The problem I'm having is illustrated by the
snippet from your post below.

I'm a computer savvy person and worked with them most of my working life
but I know nothing about Linux and really have no desire to spend much time
installing and configuring an OS.  I can buy a Mac or a PC, switch it on
and it just boots up and runs.

But where do I buy a computer that runs Linux and what version of Linux (if
that's the right term) I need?  I have pretty basic needs for this machine.
 Aside from running Livecode on it, I mostly need a web browser (I use
Google tools for just about all my daily needs) plus some way of playing
music.

I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps
I develop on my Mac.  I don't really want another computer.  It seems like
Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their
computers.  Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it
somehow?

I'm sure these are pretty basic questions for people who are familiar with
the Linux world, but I think they illustrate why the use of Linux is not
more widespread, no matter what advantages it has over other OS's.

Pete

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:

 People buy whole-product solutions.




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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability


On 3/24/12 5:48 PM, Pete wrote:


I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps
I develop on my Mac.  I don't really want another computer.  It seems like
Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their
computers.  Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it
somehow?


I've had very good luck with Parallels. And lots of people are using 
several other emulators too with good results, and many are free. I run 
Win XP, Vista, Ubuntu (sort of, I'm way behind on that,) and Mac OS X 
all from my iMac.


I don't see any reason these days to have several computers just to use 
different operating systems.


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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability


On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote:

I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps
I develop on my Mac.  I don't really want another computer.  It seems like
Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their
computers.  Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it
somehow?



If you have enough memory, it may be more useful, and simpler, to run a 
Linux distro inside VirtualBox or VMWare. To make that even easier, you 
can find, using your favorite search engine, downloadable, ready to go 
virtual machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and 
older versions. For casual use, this would be my recommendation.


Good luck,

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin


Pete wrote:

 Hi Richard,
 This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering
 getting a computer to run Linux.
...
 But where do I buy a computer that runs Linux and what version of
 Linux (if that's the right term) I need?

Every distro has its fans, some quite passionate.  There's a running gag 
in the Ubuntu forums that whenever someone encounters an issue that's 
hard to solve, the answer is use Arch. :)


Personally I like Ubuntu, and as a developer it's important to me that 
I'm working with the most popular distro (an estimated one-third of 
Linus desktops are running Ubuntu).  With its mandate of Linux for 
Human Beings, it's provided a good experience for me.


Mark Weider uses Fedora, and I've enjoyed that one as well.   Linux Mint 
is another good choice.


Whichever you choose, be sure to post all over the Internet that users 
of other distros or OSes are stupid fanbois who just don't get what 
Linux is all about!  That'll help keep the myth of the Linux community 
alive for those who have no familiarity with it. :)



If you were in the market for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, 
these companies are good options:


http://www.system76.com/
http://zareason.com
http://linucity.com

While all three are very reputable vendors, the last there, LinuCity, is 
owned by my friend Aviv and I can personally vouch for the quality of 
service he provides.


For more options, Canonical maintains a list of computers from major 
vendors they've worked with that have undergone their certification process:

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification

Note that that's only a subset of computers Ubuntu is compatible with. 
There are only so many hours in the day, and even a billionaire like 
Mark Shuttleworth can't afford to certify everything it runs on.



One upside to Linux being mostly installed on computers designed for 
some other OS is that it expects that challenge and usually meets it 
pretty well.   In my own experience, every machine I've installed it on 
has worked great out of the box.  The only time I needed a special 
driver was for the NVideo card on my Dell Vostro, and Ubuntu identified 
that and prompted me to install it with one click on first boot.



 I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the
 LC apps I develop on my Mac.  I don't really want another computer.
 It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything
 but OS X on their computers.  Can I install Linux on my Windows
 computer a dual boot it somehow?

And even on your Mac.  Apple's OS X EULA only prevents you from legally 
installing it on anything other than an Apple branded computer, but 
their computers are frequently used by members of the Ubuntu forum for 
running Linux.  Boot camp is a natural fit for that sort of thing.


Because Apple tends to get specialized components, it can sometimes be 
trickier to get a solid install on a Mac than on popular PCs where the 
components are in such wide use that there are plenty of good drivers 
for them.


Dual-booting with Windows is a popular option, esp. among gamers because 
Windows still rules the roost with the games market.  I've set up 
dual-boot systems before and it's not hard (the Ubuntu installer 
includes options for that), but personally I found I was booting into 
Windows so rarely that I ditched that partition and put Windows into a 
VM within Ubuntu.


In general, the sweet spot for Linux is computers between two and six 
years old.  It can often run on newer systems, and even most older ones 
(Puppy Linux can run on darn near anything), but if a computer's too old 
it won't have the horsepower to deliver a great experience with the 
latest Linux distros, and if it's too new there's a chance of needing a 
driver that hasn't been made available yet.  Even then there's almost 
always a way to get things to work, but for a simple first-time 
experience the two-to-six years guideline may be helpful for systems 
that haven't been certified.


Most of the popular distros allow an option to run the OS from CD or USB 
drive, so you can try it out on a machine without having to install 
anything.


If you grab the Ubuntu ISO disk image here and burn it do CD, you can 
boot from that CD and see what works and what doesn't on your machine:

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

If you decide to install, the lovely Nixie Pixel teaches you how in her 
five-minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhnLk3gviWY

:)

Nixie's fun, but really the Ubuntu installer is so simple you probably 
won't need any help with that.  I find it very similar to the OS X 
installer, and much simpler than installing Windows.


Another way to explore Linux is in a VM.  I use VirtualBox on all my 
systems (thanks to Mark Weider for the recommendaton), and here it 
outperforms Parallels in restoring sessions, taking less than half the 
time.  Doesn't hurt that it's also free (in both senses of the word):

https://www.virtualbox.org/


If

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

Thanks for the reminder Jacque. I had some not-so-grat experiences a few
years back running emulators on a Mac so that's coloring my opinion, but
they've probably improved a lot since then.
Pete

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:21 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

On 3/24/12 5:48 PM, Pete wrote:

I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC
apps
I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like
Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their
computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it
somehow?

I've had very good luck with Parallels. And lots of people are using
several other emulators too with good results, and many are free. I run Win
XP, Vista, Ubuntu (sort of, I'm way behind on that,) and Mac OS X all from
my iMac.

I don't see any reason these days to have several computers just to use
different operating systems.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

Thanks Warren. As you and Jacque both pointed out the VM approach solves
the hardware problem. So now I'm left with the question of which Linux
distro to go for
Pete

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Warren Samples war...@warrensweb.uswrote:

On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote:

If you have enough memory, it may be more useful, and simpler, to run a
Linux distro inside VirtualBox or VMWare. To make that even easier, you can
find, using your favorite search engine, downloadable, ready to go virtual
machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and older
versions. For casual use, this would be my recommendation.

Good luck,

Warren

Re: Specify file download path with irev/revignitor

2012-03-24 Thread Tim Selander

Thanks for your reply, Stephen.

Sorry for not being clear. I'm wanting to do this from a web page
hosted on the on-rev.com site, using the ?irev scripting
language with the revignitor framework. The clients have no LC
client installed other than a web browser.

One of my frustrations of using on-rev and the scripting language
is that there does not seem to be any documentation clearly
showing what LC features are _not_ available through the server
scripting language. But it is still far easier for me to use than
php.

I have tried, of course, setting the full path/filename of the
files I want to download, but it has not worked correctly so
far... hence the post!

Many thanks,

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 3/25/12 1:29 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

not clear about your methodology on the download.. you might need to set
the defaultFolder

are use using RevBrowser in some way or is this a LC client app on the
client and RevIgniter on the host?

anyway for detection of a folder on the client machine (from the docs)
if there is a folder [filepath] then go card ID 3445

The folderPath specifies the name and locationglossary/f/200.xml of a
folderdictionary/property/1981.xml you want to check. If you specify a
name but not a location, LiveCode looks for the
folderdictionary/property/1981.xmlin the
defaultFolderdictionary/property/1981.xml.

Delete works the same way:

delete file My Test.rev

the defaultFolder works for this command too. Errors should be in the
result - this deletes immediately, and file is not put into the trash.

On 24 March 2012 00:29, Tim Selanderselan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote:

Hi,

Have wasted enough hours -- time to ask the pros on the list!

We are passing out free, promotional MP3 players to our customers.

Want to check for the volume's existence (player is/is not mounted on
computer) and then download the list of mp3s to it, failing with an error
message if the player is full.

I can get the files to download, but only to the download folder specified
by the browser.

Any help appreciated.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

Thanks for all the info Richard. I'm already feeling SO superior to all
those morons who don't run Ubuntu!

I will probably try out VirtualBox since it's free and probably also a dual
boot on my Windows 7 box since the only thing I ever do on Windows is test
out LC apps developed on my Mac, although it is a pretty new computer so I
may run into the driver issues you mentioned.

Pete

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:

Pete wrote:

Hi Richard,
This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering
getting a computer to run Linux.
...

But where do I buy a computer that runs Linux and what version of
Linux (if that's the right term) I need?

Every distro has its fans, some quite passionate. There's a running gag
in the Ubuntu forums that whenever someone encounters an issue that's hard
to solve, the answer is use Arch. :)

Personally I like Ubuntu, and as a developer it's important to me that I'm
working with the most popular distro (an estimated one-third of Linus
desktops are running Ubuntu). With its mandate of Linux for Human
Beings, it's provided a good experience for me.

Mark Weider uses Fedora, and I've enjoyed that one as well. Linux Mint
is another good choice.

Whichever you choose, be sure to post all over the Internet that users of
other distros or OSes are stupid fanbois who just don't get what Linux is
all about! That'll help keep the myth of the Linux community alive for
those who have no familiarity with it. :)

If you were in the market for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, these
companies are good options:

http://www.system76.com/
http://zareason.com
http://linucity.com

While all three are very reputable vendors, the last there, LinuCity, is
owned by my friend Aviv and I can personally vouch for the quality of
service he provides.

For more options, Canonical maintains a list of computers from major
vendors they've worked with that have undergone their certification process:
http://www.ubuntu.com/**certificationhttp://www.ubuntu.com/certification

Note that that's only a subset of computers Ubuntu is compatible with.
There are only so many hours in the day, and even a billionaire like Mark
Shuttleworth can't afford to certify everything it runs on.

One upside to Linux being mostly installed on computers designed for some
other OS is that it expects that challenge and usually meets it pretty
well. In my own experience, every machine I've installed it on has worked
great out of the box. The only time I needed a special driver was for the
NVideo card on my Dell Vostro, and Ubuntu identified that and prompted me
to install it with one click on first boot.

I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the
LC apps I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer.
It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything
but OS X on their computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows
computer a dual boot it somehow?

And even on your Mac. Apple's OS X EULA only prevents you from legally
installing it on anything other than an Apple branded computer, but their
computers are frequently used by members of the Ubuntu forum for running
Linux. Boot camp is a natural fit for that sort of thing.

Because Apple tends to get specialized components, it can sometimes be
trickier to get a solid install on a Mac than on popular PCs where the
components are in such wide use that there are plenty of good drivers for
them.

Dual-booting with Windows is a popular option, esp. among gamers because
Windows still rules the roost with the games market. I've set up dual-boot
systems before and it's not hard (the Ubuntu installer includes options for
that), but personally I found I was booting into Windows so rarely that I
ditched that partition and put Windows into a VM within Ubuntu.

In general, the sweet spot for Linux is computers between two and six
years old. It can often run on newer systems, and even most older ones
(Puppy Linux can run on darn near anything), but if a computer's too old it
won't have the horsepower to deliver a great experience with the latest
Linux distros, and if it's too new there's a chance of needing a driver
that hasn't been made available yet. Even then there's almost always a way
to get things to work, but for a simple first-time experience the
two-to-six years guideline may be helpful for systems that haven't been
certified.

Most of the popular distros allow an option to run the OS from CD or USB
drive, so you can try it out on a machine without having to install
anything.

If you grab the Ubuntu ISO disk image here and burn it do CD, you can boot
from that CD and see what works and what doesn't on your machine:
http://www.ubuntu.com/**download/ubuntu/downloadhttp://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

If you decide to install, the lovely Nixie Pixel teaches you how in her

Displaying PDF files in an LC stack

In another thread, I've been soliciting advice about tools to use for Help
Text preparation and display.  One of the options was to go with a pdf file
and display it using revBrowser.  Been having some issues getting that to
work but even if it did work, I don't think it will satisfy my needs.  I
want to use the pdf feature of showing bookmarks in a navigation pane (like
the datagrid manual) and apparently that won't happen, at least on a Mac.

I could, of course, simply launch the pdf file as a separate process but
I'd really like to keep the help file within my LC stack if possible.  Are
there any other ways of displaying a pdf file within LC other than using
revBrowser?  I though I remembered seeing some sort of plugin but a quick
search didn't come up with anything.

I am still looking into ScreenSteps and WordLib.


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RE: Displaying PDF files in an LC stack

2012-03-24 Thread Ralph DiMola

I've been looking for a way to display PDFs in LC in a mobile app. The
browser window is not even an option for Android because the Android browser
will not render PDFs natively. I have not tried iOS yet but I am told that
Safari can render a PDF. Then there's the java support. That's another can
of worms. The PDF spec is like 6,000 pages. Adobe has an SDKs for rendering
PDFs on both Android and iOS. With an external for each mobile platforms it
might be possible to render and support interactive PDFs for mobile. For
desktop Adobe also has free SDKs.

Just a thought..

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:11 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Displaying PDF files in an LC stack

In another thread, I've been soliciting advice about tools to use for Help
Text preparation and display.  One of the options was to go with a pdf file
and display it using revBrowser.  Been having some issues getting that to
work but even if it did work, I don't think it will satisfy my needs.  I
want to use the pdf feature of showing bookmarks in a navigation pane (like
the datagrid manual) and apparently that won't happen, at least on a Mac.

I could, of course, simply launch the pdf file as a separate process but
I'd really like to keep the help file within my LC stack if possible.  Are
there any other ways of displaying a pdf file within LC other than using
revBrowser?  I though I remembered seeing some sort of plugin but a quick
search didn't come up with anything.

I am still looking into ScreenSteps and WordLib.


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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49

2012-03-24 Thread Roger Guay

Tim,

I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making 
assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the number 
of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature of our 
species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation?

I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature 
off-list.

Cheers,
Roger


On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Message: 9
 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700
 From: Tim Jones tolis...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
 Message-ID: dabd6b02-27fe-40e6-8df5-3144fce87...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Ready to defend your thesis?  Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi antithesis to 
 your points below -
 
 How have we determined how long the relatively short duration of the radio 
 stage of any societies is?
 
 How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into account, that 
 humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the nearby galaxy?
 
 :-)
 
 Tim
 
 
 On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
 
 Hi all,
  
 The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico 
 Fermi's question asked in the 1940's, Where is everybody? is still germane 
 today.
 
 I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two criteria 
 relevant to this SETI problem: 1) The asynchronous evolution of 
 intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short 
 duration of the radio stage of alien technologies.
 
 You can download this stack at:
 
  
 https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode
 
 I welcome any feedback.
 
 Thanks and cheers,
 Roger Guay
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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability


On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote:

the VM approach solves
the hardware problem.  So now I'm left with the question of which Linux
distro to go for
Pete



Since you can test them so easily, I would suggest firstly not to be too 
anxious about making the best decision. You don't have to decide 
Before you start; you can decide as you go. Again, you can download 
either fully set up virtual machine disks or run almost any distro from 
a liveCD, which is also a fabulously easy way to trial a distro. I run 
openSUSE, currently and ran Mint 9 and 10 before that. For what you 
expect to be casual use, I would think that the Desktop Environment (the 
Unity, KDE, Gnome, Enlightment, XFCE, LXDE things that people talk about 
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment) will be the most 
important consideration. You will need to find the one that is the most 
intuitive to you. After that, the software management aspect may be the 
second most important. This was much simpler in Mint than it is in 
openSUSE.


I would recommend you try a Mint version first. I have no experience 
with Gnome 3, but Mint 9 is the long term support version of that distro 
and uses gnome 2. Mint 10 was very pleasant to use but it will lose 
support next month. I had bad experience with KDE under Mint and Kubuntu 
has a very poor reputation, so it's hard to recommend KDE in those 
distros. Do a little research about desktop variants of whatever disto 
you are gravitating to and (taking everything with heaping spoonfuls of 
salt) you should find some helpful info.


Inside VirtualBox, you will probably find your desktop doesn't run with 
effects (Compiz, KWin) so you save some memory. This somewhat equalizes 
the playing field between the heavy feature-full (aka bloated) Desktop 
Environments and the light nimble (aka primitive) ones. That *should* 
mean you won't be making as many performance/feature sacrifices as you 
look for what best suits your taste.


Good luck!

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability


On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote:

So now I'm left with the question of which Linux
distro to go for



FWIW:

http://dt.deviantart.com/journal/poll/1202084/

http://enigmacommunity.org/forums/topic/1099-whats-your-favorite-linux-desktop-environment/

http://www.muktware.com/survey/3444/poll-which-de-you-use

Warren

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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49

I didn't take either comment as overly argumentative but more like a challenge 
(which we tend to do on this list from time to time). For me, coming up with 
two criteria is intriguing and caught my interest. I would love to see more on 
the validity of those two criteria, but what really interested me was how Roger 
translated those to an interesting LC project. Very cool. I would love to hear 
more about that.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgr...@comcast.net

On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

 Tim,
 
 I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making 
 assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the 
 number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature of 
 our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation?
 
 I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature 
 off-list.
 
 Cheers,
 Roger
 
 
 On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 Message: 9
 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700
 From: Tim Jones tolis...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
 Message-ID: dabd6b02-27fe-40e6-8df5-3144fce87...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Ready to defend your thesis?  Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi antithesis to 
 your points below -
 
 How have we determined how long the relatively short duration of the radio 
 stage of any societies is?
 
 How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into account, that 
 humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the nearby galaxy?
 
 :-)
 
 Tim
 
 
 On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico 
 Fermi's question asked in the 1940's, Where is everybody? is still 
 germane today.
 
 I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two criteria 
 relevant to this SETI problem: 1) The asynchronous evolution of 
 intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short 
 duration of the radio stage of alien technologies.
 
 You can download this stack at:
 
 
 https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode
 
 I welcome any feedback.
 
 Thanks and cheers,
 Roger Guay
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Re: Displaying PDF files in an LC stack

2012-03-24 Thread Colin Holgate

I don't remember that part. My suggestion was to read the PDF in a player 
object, by setting its filename property.


On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Pete wrote:

 In another thread, I've been soliciting advice about tools to use for Help
 Text preparation and display.  One of the options was to go with a pdf file
 and display it using revBrowser. 

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Re: Source of corruption

2012-03-24 Thread dunbarx

Richard.


Since I was keeping a string of backups in reseerve, I would dump the stack 
that became unusable and bring up the next one. After digging in various places 
while still trying to use the stack itself, I noticed the errant mainstack 
reference.


I am aware of the ease in which one can accidentally change the name of a stack 
in the inspector when you think you are typing somewhere else. This is a bit 
insidious. But this was the pulldown to set the mainstack. Though this property 
is settable by command, I am positive I never did this.


I could be wrong. Anyway, there is only that one stack in the file.


Why this spurious mainstack reference makes all that trouble, is a mystery to 
me. I am just glad it's over. I might play around with misnaming the mainstack 
again in another stack or a copy of this one just to see if I can really 
duplicate the old issue. Not sure I shouldn't leave well enough alone, though.


Craig



-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com
To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: Source of corruption


dunbarx wrote:

 I had posted earlier about a stack I use that became neurotic. If launched in 
a new session from the finder, no problem. But if closed,
 it could not be reopened in the same session. The stacks showed no 
 reference 
to it at all soemtimes, though at other times it was
 indeed listed, albeit still not visible. In those cases I could get and set 
its loc and other properties, I just could not see it.
 
 Lately it had become intermittantly corruptible, with a dialog telling me so, 
and recomending using a back-up copy. In those cases it would not even
  open with a fresh start, and I had to trash it and start over with a backup. 
Thank you, Mozy.
 
 It turns out that the stack had inexplicably had its mainstack reference 
changed to another stack.

How were you able to determine that, and fix it, if it was unopenable?

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Re: Collisions

2012-03-24 Thread Roger Eller

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard MacLemale wrote:

 I'm working on a very simple iPad app where 4 large shapes randomly float
 around on the screen.  What I'd like to do is have them be able to bounce
 off each other if they happen to touch.  Are there any tutorial pages or
 sample stacks out there that anyone knows of that I could use as a starting
 point?  I can do collision detection with intersect, but before I spend
 countless hours reinventing the wheel, I thought I'd ask.

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 Music = http://www.richardmac.com
 Programming = http://www.macandchee.se


In LiveCode, go to the Resource Center, Sample Projects, Bouncy (uses
gravity to bounce a single object of the walls of the screen).  This may be
a good place to start.  The commercial product Animation Engine is
another.

~Roger
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Re: Displaying PDF files in an LC stack

Thanks for the reminder Colin, forgot about that.  I'll give that a try.
Pete

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:

 I don't remember that part. My suggestion was to read the PDF in a player
 object, by setting its filename property.


 On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Pete wrote:

  In another thread, I've been soliciting advice about tools to use for
 Help
  Text preparation and display.  One of the options was to go with a pdf
 file
  and display it using revBrowser.

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Compiling with XCode 10.4.2, LC 5.0.2 on OSX 10.6.8

2012-03-24 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi (again),

I asked this some time ago and haven't solved this problem yet. Does that mean 
that absolutely no one on this list has any clue whatsoever?

I'm trying to build an external for Mac OS X (not iOS) using 
ExternalsEnvironmentV3, XCode 10.4.2 and LiveCode 5.0.2 on Mac OS X 10.6.8. I'm 
getting many error messages complaining about SDK's that are too new and 
compilers that are too new and when I think that everything should work I get 
the error Building for Intel is not supported in 10.3.9 SDK (obviously). 
Could someone tell me what I need to change in the build settings of the 
project and the targets to get my external to compile?

I've posted this on the forum as well: http://qery.us/1vf

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Re: Specify file download path with irev/revignitor

2012-03-24 Thread stephen barncard

Ah - well that's the thing - the security features of web browsers strictly
don't allow control of the user's machine from the server side - that's
what those warnings for the user for plug-ins like flash and the livecode
plug-in are about. Changing stuff on a remote machine by a server is
forbidden for users' protection - otherwise the web would be unworkable
thanks to the criminal element. Those same protections are built-in by
design for Javascript on the browser side for the same reason. Hence the
invention of the Livecode plug-in.

That's why I thought you had a 'thin' client on the user's side that could
do what you want; your mentioning of sending out players.  You could do
this with a Livecode plugin, but that would require users to install
something on their machines anyway, and the future of this plugin has not
been defined lately, hence the recent discussions online. I feel a thin
client can give a better UI experience anyway and a lot easier to maintain
and support.

Your comment about the online documentation of Livecode server is correct -
a lot of new info is available with the version notes of the latest version
(5.0.2), but I get those through my involvement as a purchaser of the
server product to run on my own web host. I assume you've seen what the
Runrev site offers:
http://www.runrev.com/developers/documentation/server/

These limitations that web browsers have do not diminish the coolness of
Livecode server; it just requires being open to do it another more secure
way. You never want to do stuff without the permission of your users, that
would definitely creep them out.

Depending on the scope of your project, number of users, etc, is it
possible you could do this entirely 'in the cloud'? That way you could
control the addition and deletion of files, giving each user their own
space for files, and provide the player in a browser.

Otherwise I'd suggest you build a thin user client for her to download and
live on her machine. Or possibly use a 'splash screen' approach where a
small compiled application would hold the basic livecode 'stuff', and a
script could do a

go URL http://musicsource/playerstack.lc;  on startup

thereby loading your latest stack version of your player that could be
'updated in the store' anytime you wish, as that stack would live on your
server. Yet this client could have access to any folder your user has
access to on her machine. This thin client can then easily manage the audio
files in the user-selected (or default) folder.

I've done this myself as a convenience to run many utility stacks that I
store on my server, and run on one of my several machines, a kind of
network based Livecode stack player. Mine is a network variation of Ken
Ray's 
Stackrunner.http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/StackRunner.htm

It sounds like a cool project - being open and controlling expectation of
what can be and can't be done is the key, work around those limitations
(that everyone else has to deal with), and move forward. Livecode gives us
many ways to create the solution to our problems.

hope this helps.

On 24 March 2012 17:00, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote:

 Thanks for your reply, Stephen.

 Sorry for not being clear. I'm wanting to do this from a web page hosted
 on the on-rev.com site, using the ?irev scripting language with the
 revignitor framework. The clients have no LC client installed other than
 a web browser.

 One of my frustrations of using on-rev and the scripting language is that
 there does not seem to be any documentation clearly showing what LC
 features are _not_ available through the server scripting language. But it
 is still far easier for me to use than php.

 I have tried, of course, setting the full path/filename of the files I
 want to download, but it has not worked correctly so far... hence the post!

 Many thanks,

 Tim Selander
 Tokyo, Japan


Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar
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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Roger Eller

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Pete wrote:

 I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps
 I develop on my Mac.  I don't really want another computer.  It seems like
 Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their
 computers.  Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it
 somehow?

 Pete


The easiest way for a beginner is a WUBI installation.  You don't need an
emulator or virtual box or parallels, etc.  Just a PC that is already
running Windows.  When you install Ubuntu via WUBI, it is just a series of
folders on the hard-drive (no dedicated partition necessary).  This method
sets it up to dual-boot, so you just choose which OS to run when you turn
the computer on.  To remove it, you just uninstall it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYw6dOXw3pc

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer

~Roger
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Re: Specify file download path with irev/revignitor


On 3/24/12 7:00 PM, Tim Selander wrote:

Thanks for your reply, Stephen.

Sorry for not being clear. I'm wanting to do this from a web page hosted
on the on-rev.com site, using the ?irev scripting language with the
revignitor framework. The clients have no LC client installed other
than a web browser.

One of my frustrations of using on-rev and the scripting language is
that there does not seem to be any documentation clearly showing what LC
features are _not_ available through the server scripting language. But
it is still far easier for me to use than php.

I have tried, of course, setting the full path/filename of the files I
want to download, but it has not worked correctly so far... hence the post!


I don't think you can control where the user downloads files. You can 
only control the server side; the browser controls the client side. 
That's actually good, because otherwise any web page could install 
things in places the user didn't know about.


The only things you can control in a web page, no matter what language 
you're using, are things that happen on the page itself, or which are 
related to the server that hosts the page. Once you send data to the 
user, it's out of your hands. You have no control over their machine, 
their file system, or their applications.


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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability


On 03/24/2012 09:44 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

The easiest way for a beginner is a WUBI installation.  You don't need an
emulator or virtual box or parallels, etc.  Just a PC that is already
running Windows.  When you install Ubuntu via WUBI, it is just a series of
folders on the hard-drive (no dedicated partition necessary).  This method
sets it up to dual-boot, so you just choose which OS to run when you turn
the computer on.  To remove it, you just uninstall it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYw6dOXw3pc

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer

~Roger



That's interesting. I had never seen this. It seems a really simple and 
great way to deal with dual-boot installation, provided that one wants 
to run Ubuntu. However a dual-boot system is not nearly as convenient 
for many purposes, such as let me see real quick how this looks/works 
on Linux and Windows. I see that convenience as a big plus for virtual 
machines. Although I recognize the advantages of running the OS 
natively, for a lot of purposes this is moot. Maybe it's a case of 
choose the tool that lets you do the job the way you want it done ;)


Warren

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Re: Source of corruption


On 3/24/12 8:11 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:


I am aware of the ease in which one can accidentally change the name
of a stack in the inspector when you think you are typing somewhere
else. This is a bit insidious. But this was the pulldown to set the
mainstack. Though this property is settable by command, I am positive
I never did this.


I should have been more clear that the mixup doesn't just happen with 
the message box (which is why I ended up changing standalone settings 
for the wrong stack.) It also happens with the property inspector or any 
other IDE component that needs to look for a topstack. In my case, the 
working stack was modeless and my utility stack was invisible but 
toplevel. The utility stack had precedence in this case and not only the 
standalone settings dialog, but also all property inspectors, were 
targeting my utility stack. I usually noticed the wrong name in the 
inspector but breezed right past it in the standalone settings.


If at any point your wonky stack was displayed at a lower mode than 
another stack, it would be the target stack for IDE tools. If you were 
trying to set the mainstack on a modeless or palette stack, and didn't 
notice your corrupted toplevel stack was the target, it would get its 
mainstack changed.


That may not be what happened in your case, but it's been biting me a 
lot lately. I've been working on a modeless stack and I always have my 
utility stack open too. I have to keep remembering to make my modeless 
stack toplevel.




Why this spurious mainstack reference makes all that trouble, is a
mystery to me.


I don't know why either, but it makes a sort of sense. If a piece of the 
message path is missing (the parent stack) then who knows what could 
short-circuit in the engine.


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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability