Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 4/5/12 2:18 AM, "Bob Sneidar"  wrote:

> So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses Valentina DB is dead on
> arrival?? ;-)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> 
>> At Paradigma, we have to have our own definitions as well, though more
>> narrow. Pretty much anything that would duplicate a "Filemaker" type product
>> or a "Filemaker Server" type product is forbidden.
 
Lynn, I believe you mean this is prohibited by our regular royalty free
license.

It will be strange if e..g the same FaileMaker corp will take for 200$
Valentina engine, will integrate it into own IDE and start sale a lots of
copies royalty free.

Right?

This is why exists such limitations in EULA.
But if somebody will very want do that he still can make separate agreement
with Paradigma.



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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 4/4/12 11:24 PM, Richmond wrote:

On 04/05/2012 06:56 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses
Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)

MileFaker Pro? Isn't that like a pedometer program that lies?


No, it's something more like Shotoflop, Agitator Pro, Quacktime,
Microsquash Sentence or Pornographer Home Edition!


Richmond. Don't drink and post.

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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/05/2012 06:56 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses
Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)

MileFaker Pro? Isn't that like a pedometer program that lies?


No, it's something more like Shotoflop, Agitator Pro, Quacktime, 
Microsquash Sentence or Pornographer Home Edition!




"Yeah, you just did 10 miles! Reward yourself at the Starbucks, 20 feet
ahead on your right..."

Best regards,

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President
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RE: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses 
> Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)

MileFaker Pro? Isn't that like a pedometer program that lies? 

"Yeah, you just did 10 miles! Reward yourself at the Starbucks, 20 feet
ahead on your right..."

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: [OT] Congrats to Trevor - Macworld Clarify Review

2012-04-04 Thread Marty Knapp
The magazine review is pretty brief compared to the online review, 
though also written by Dan Frakes.


Marty

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Marty Knapp  wrote:


Congratulations to Trevor DeVore for the great review of Clarify in the
new issue of MacWorld.


Thanks Marty. I didn't know a review was going to show up in the magazine.
I imagine it is the same one that is online. Is that the case?

http://www.macworld.com/article/1165132/clarify_makes_it_easy_to_create_annotated_images_and_how_to_documents.html




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Re: [OT] Congrats to Trevor - Macworld Clarify Review

2012-04-04 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Marty Knapp  wrote:

> Congratulations to Trevor DeVore for the great review of Clarify in the
> new issue of MacWorld.
>

Thanks Marty. I didn't know a review was going to show up in the magazine.
I imagine it is the same one that is online. Is that the case?

http://www.macworld.com/article/1165132/clarify_makes_it_easy_to_create_annotated_images_and_how_to_documents.html

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Re: Forwarded from Grandpa L

2012-04-04 Thread Robert Mann
Many thanks for this great link. 

How to improve teaching? How to self teach yourself? This is one of the
greatest question... (the next one being :: what for? what to do with
knowledge!?)

Episode 1 : Its a long time since I had the intuition that videos could
serve to a great extend. I launched videos for french kids to learn english
a while ago. But I did not get the right to expand and add some tools to
help kids actually learn from them. I was a bit.. frustrated, because I
"felt" videos on their own would not be enough.

Episode 2 - That initial enthusiasm was later on counterbalanced by
"scientific" studies that concluded that, to the majority of viewers and
particularly children, their mind where distracted by the artefact of the
videos and that they would not use the backward/forward facility to adapt
the videos to their learning pace. The result being that they would not
learn much from videos. Also it was put forward that a human interaction was
key to the memorizing process. So I thought it was not such a great idea to
put children in front of a tv even if it was to train their french ears to
the esoteric sound of english...

So I also set aside some other projects I had, to expand this educative
video business and eventually killed it (also for other personnal reasons).

Episode 3 - That breathtaking video... and site etc.. does bring something
really knew on the subject for me.
The radical way of thinking is : make good use of time spent in front of a
tv, get the lectures there AND maximize in quality the time spent with the
teachers and classmates... thus boosting this essential human relation in
the learning process :: whouaouu THis seems like a great solution to
several huge problems.

As far as runrev - revolution is concerned and this list, It could well be
that an educative free limited entry point to xtalk programming would
encourage lots of students to co-develop little learning applications and
then later on pick up with full version... I do not know if it would be a
sound commercial way to go, but at least it would be a great humanitarian
way to go... and why not hand in hand with www.khanacademy.org ??



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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Bob Sneidar
So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses Valentina DB is dead on 
arrival?? ;-)

Bob


On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> At Paradigma, we have to have our own definitions as well, though more
> narrow. Pretty much anything that would duplicate a "Filemaker" type product
> or a "Filemaker Server" type product is forbidden. 


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RE: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> ...and the Tigbyte site says:
> 
> HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
> run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
> high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
> tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
> text processing and graphics.

I cannot answer in the specific here, but there was a thread recently on the
RB list about developing competing or overlapping products with RB, that its
possible to work out a payment plan with REAL. The "nut" of the argument was
how they defined a development tool, which to me seemed overly broad at the
time and encompassed technologies that had little to do with RB - don't take
my word on the specifics though, if its important to you, they have
archives. I can't think of a more fitting example of conflict with RB, so my
guess is that they worked something out.

At Paradigma, we have to have our own definitions as well, though more
narrow. Pretty much anything that would duplicate a "Filemaker" type product
or a "Filemaker Server" type product is forbidden. On the other hand, we
have plenty of customers who make specialized data management tools for
vertical markets, integration or BI tools that are totally cool with our
license.

Dave Simpson wrote an interesting article on making code generation apps
with LiveCode for the Omegabundle which really set me thinking about this.

There are some companies that might not allow this sort of thing, or they
could be very vague about it in their EULA and then try to squeeze you for
royalties because it "might" overlap in some way. That's a really bad sign -
a sign that their technology is past its prime and they are a bottomfeeding
type company. They exist. Beware. They have tiny, evil eyes, hide in the
darkness and have funnel like mouths like lampreys...

Best regards,

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President
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[OT] Congrats to Trevor - Macworld Clarify Review

2012-04-04 Thread Marty Knapp
Congratulations to Trevor DeVore for the great review of Clarify in the 
new issue of MacWorld.


Marty Knapp

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Forwarded from Grandpa L

2012-04-04 Thread Paul Looney
Amber,
This was on one of the lists I follow.
Bob Earp is a fellow programmer who lives in British Columbia. I've met him 
several times and he seems like a sharp fellow.
You might be interested in the link he provided:

> www.khanacademy.org


Grandpa


On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Earp wrote:

> For those "technology in the classroom" nay-sayers on the list, and everybody 
> else for that matter who has not taken a look at the success schools and 
> individuals are having with Salman Khan's model, go take a look first at 
> http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk 
> 
> Then explore www.khanacademy.org where there is literally thousands of 
> educational snippets from the basics of math to such obtuse things as Apsidal 
> Precession (Perihelion Precession) and Milankovitch Cycles, all for free.
> 
> What's more, there is a built-in self paced educational model that seems to 
> be having great success through all ages,  but especially K - 12.
> 
> As proof of success, in the last two days I have had grandchildren call and 
> boast how they can do things that they have not been taught in the classroom 
> yet, and their parent report that they are coming home and studying these 
> things persistently and without encouragement.
> 
> Seem like teachers are finally getting a break to spend time teaching, or 
> rather managing teaching, to the individual level rather than the mean.
> 
> I'm sold !!
> 
> best, Bob...
> 
> 
> Bob Earp
> White Rock, British Columbia.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: LC 5.5 stability?

2012-04-04 Thread Mark Talluto
On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Also, try suspending and restoring development tools whenever you get weird 
> behavior like that. 
> 

I will give that a try.


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SOT - Technology in the classroom success

2012-04-04 Thread Bob Earp
For those "technology in the classroom" nay-sayers on the list, and everybody 
else for that matter who has not taken a look at the success schools and 
individuals are having with Salman Khan's model, go take a look first at 
http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk 

Then explore www.khanacademy.org where there is literally thousands of 
educational snippets from the basics of math to such obtuse things as Apsidal 
Precession (Perihelion Precession) and Milankovitch Cycles, all for free.

What's more, there is a built-in self paced educational model that seems to be 
having great success through all ages,  but especially K - 12.

As proof of success, in the last two days I have had grandchildren call and 
boast how they can do things that they have not been taught in the classroom 
yet, and their parent report that they are coming home and studying these 
things persistently and without encouragement.

Seem like teachers are finally getting a break to spend time teaching, or 
rather managing teaching, to the individual level rather than the mean.

I'm sold !!

best, Bob...


Bob Earp
White Rock, British Columbia.




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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 10:36 PM, Tim Jones wrote:

On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Richmond wrote:


Interesting enough, he mentioned to me that he had had great problems to do 
with getting a Linux port of HyperNext off the ground,
and stated:

"With hindsight I should have kept developing the Pascal version of HyperNext"

which seems most odd indeed.

I suspect that this is because the older version of RS he's using to get the 
PPC / OS9 compatibility dates back to the 5.0 release days and things on Linux 
were very fresh and depended on a very archaic (now) version of GTK.

The later versions of RS are much more complete and completely on par with the 
other platforms.

Tim


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You are quite right; I just had this from the HyperNext chap:

"we are legally safe because we are still using RB 555 from a long time 
ago and when we started they had no such constraints.We still have the 
original license agreements"


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Re: iOS - picking from a scrolling list

2012-04-04 Thread Chris Sheffield
You can change the appearance. So it can be a picker wheel or a scrolling list 
of values to pick from, much like you described in your initial post. At least 
on the iPad. Maybe the appearance is always the same on an iPhone/iPod Touch. 
Not totally sure. Anyway, I have an iPad app where I've used the scrolling list 
version and it works well. It would be nice if it had some other options 
available, like being able to set the position or being able to apply text 
styles.

Chris

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On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Chris, thanks. I have had a look at this (I did not know about it at all) but 
> it isn't really what I had in mind. I want a long list like a set of names in 
> a notebook, so the style I'm looking for is much more like Apple's Contacts 
> app, which does present such a list and allows one to pick from it, rather 
> than a wheel where one sees very few names at any one time, and it is quite 
> hard to whizz from one end of say a 100-item list to another. I'm pleased to 
> say that I've had a reply from MobGUI and I'll see what that looks like and 
> report back.
> 
> Graham
> 
> OnWed, 04 Apr 2012 10:42:51 -0600, Chris Sheffield  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That 
>> should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Read Naturally, Inc.
>> www.readnaturally.com
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> 
>>> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list 
>>> where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) 
>>> but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is 
>>> permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
> [snip]
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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Tim Jones
On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Interesting enough, he mentioned to me that he had had great problems to do 
> with getting a Linux port of HyperNext off the ground,
> and stated:
> 
> "With hindsight I should have kept developing the Pascal version of HyperNext"
> 
> which seems most odd indeed.

I suspect that this is because the older version of RS he's using to get the 
PPC / OS9 compatibility dates back to the 5.0 release days and things on Linux 
were very fresh and depended on a very archaic (now) version of GTK.

The later versions of RS are much more complete and completely on par with the 
other platforms.

Tim


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richard Gaskin

stephen barncard wrote:


to me: Native means "look and feel that appear on respective OSs, usually
as a binary call to the OS's toolbox or libraries"

obviously one's milage will vary with Linux.


I think the definition is somewhat subject to personal interpretation.

On Linux, Windows, and OS X, changes in the Appearance control panel 
which can affect controls are reflected in controls rendered in 
LiveCode, so clearly there's at least some dependency on the OS APIs.


But I also see that font metrics and text placement in LiveCode controls 
is sometimes off a pixel or so, at least in tab controls in OS X and few 
other cases.


I suspect the rendering of text for such controls is handled internally 
in the engine, perhaps using the OS to render the control itself and 
then overlaying the text in the control's compositing buffer before 
blitting it to the screen.


In RB, I would imagine that the tool doesn't require developers to use 
only the OS APIs directly, but provides some libraries for common 
behaviors.  Indeed, without such support its usefulness as a 
cross-platform tool would be close to NIL.


So it seems both LiveCode and RealBASIC use a mix of OS APIs and 
vendor-supplied code to allow their developers to build cross-platform 
apps radidly, leaving us with the question:


What is a "native control"?

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Re: iOS - picking from a scrolling list

2012-04-04 Thread Graham Samuel
Chris, thanks. I have had a look at this (I did not know about it at all) but 
it isn't really what I had in mind. I want a long list like a set of names in a 
notebook, so the style I'm looking for is much more like Apple's Contacts app, 
which does present such a list and allows one to pick from it, rather than a 
wheel where one sees very few names at any one time, and it is quite hard to 
whizz from one end of say a 100-item list to another. I'm pleased to say that 
I've had a reply from MobGUI and I'll see what that looks like and report back.

Graham

OnWed, 04 Apr 2012 10:42:51 -0600, Chris Sheffield  wrote:

> 
> Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That 
> should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
>> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where 
>> the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can 
>> also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in 
>> iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
[snip]

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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread stephen barncard
to me: Native means "look and feel that appear on respective OSs, usually
as a binary call to the OS's toolbox or libraries"

obviously one's milage will vary with Linux.

On 4 April 2012 12:08, Richmond  wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 07:04 PM, René Micout wrote:
>
>> Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:58, Tim Jones a écrit :
>>
>>  Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true
>>> claim as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms
>>> (web is another story).
>>>
>> Unfortunately, it is true...
>>
>
> Pardon my naivety, but what, exactly are "native controls"?
>
> Certainly (LC 4.5) buttons and fields look like buttons and fields on Mac,
> Win and Lin to me.
>
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 07:04 PM, René Micout wrote:

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:58, Tim Jones a écrit :


Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true claim 
as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms (web is 
another story).

Unfortunately, it is true...


Pardon my naivety, but what, exactly are "native controls"?

Certainly (LC 4.5) buttons and fields look like buttons and fields on 
Mac, Win and Lin to me.



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Re: Apple/IOS Developer Program Renewal

2012-04-04 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi sqb,

I think I get those messages 6 to 8 weeks in advance, but they never say "5 
days left" (I checked it).

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On 4 apr 2012, at 21:00, stephen barncard wrote:

> Has anyone else here received a *premature* "5 days left to renew your Mac
> Developer Program membership" message from Apple? Both my Mac and IOS
> memberships have more than two months to go, and expire on June 7. This
> seems wrong. And annoying.
> 
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Apple/IOS Developer Program Renewal

2012-04-04 Thread stephen barncard
Has anyone else here received a *premature* "5 days left to renew your Mac
Developer Program membership" message from Apple? Both my Mac and IOS
memberships have more than two months to go, and expire on June 7. This
seems wrong. And annoying.

sqb

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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 09:43 PM, Tim Jones wrote:

On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Richmond wrote:


On 04/04/2012 08:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:


I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
language. Still, it is FREE:

http://tigabyte.com/

Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA includes:

   You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
   purpose, provides your application's end user with access
   to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
   through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
   framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
   and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
   Agreement.

...and the Tigbyte site says:

   HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
   run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
   high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
   tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
   text processing and graphics.


Might not be a bad idea to point that out to the Tigabyte chap directly.

It looks like they are using an older version of Real Studio that came before 
that EULA change to create HyperNext.  That's the unfortunate thing about 
license agreements -


I don't think that is unfortunate at all.

This would be rather like my trying to use 21st century copyright law to 
protect a book written by some relative of mine in the

eighteenth century.

What does interest me is that the HyperNext chap is doing all this for 
nothing (HyperNext is FREE); so, not only is he
getting no revenue for his work, but, arguably, he is directly competing 
with RealBASIC who are losing revenue with

people using his product rather than theirs.

Interesting enough, he mentioned to me that he had had great problems to 
do with getting a Linux port of HyperNext off the ground,

and stated:

"With hindsight I should have kept developing the Pascal version of 
HyperNext"


which seems most odd indeed.


  while you can create a new agreement that applies to new versions of you 
product, you can't make that new agreement retroactive to old versions of your 
product.

I surmise this because they're still building for PPC and pre-OS X platforms.

Tim


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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Tim Jones
On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 08:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
>>> whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
>>> language. Still, it is FREE:
>>> 
>>> http://tigabyte.com/
>> 
>> Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA 
>> includes:
>> 
>>   You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
>>   purpose, provides your application's end user with access
>>   to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
>>   through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
>>   framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
>>   and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
>>   Agreement.
>> 
>> ...and the Tigbyte site says:
>> 
>>   HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
>>   run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
>>   high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
>>   tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
>>   text processing and graphics.
>> 
> 
> Might not be a bad idea to point that out to the Tigabyte chap directly.

It looks like they are using an older version of Real Studio that came before 
that EULA change to create HyperNext.  That's the unfortunate thing about 
license agreements - while you can create a new agreement that applies to new 
versions of you product, you can't make that new agreement retroactive to old 
versions of your product.

I surmise this because they're still building for PPC and pre-OS X platforms.

Tim


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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 08:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:


I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
language. Still, it is FREE:

http://tigabyte.com/


Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA 
includes:


   You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
   purpose, provides your application's end user with access
   to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
   through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
   framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
   and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
   Agreement.

...and the Tigbyte site says:

   HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
   run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
   high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
   tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
   text processing and graphics.



Might not be a bad idea to point that out to the Tigabyte chap directly.

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Re: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Richard Gaskin

Richmond wrote:


I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
language. Still, it is FREE:

http://tigabyte.com/


Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA 
includes:


   You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
   purpose, provides your application's end user with access
   to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
   through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
   framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
   and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
   Agreement.

...and the Tigbyte site says:

   HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
   run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
   high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
   tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
   text processing and graphics.


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Thierry Douez
Le 4 avril 2012 18:32, René Micout  a écrit :

>
> Le 4 avr. 2012 à 18:24, Thierry Douez a écrit :
>
> > Wings or Garlic ?
>
> Garlic or Gaelic ?
>

Mais c'est bien sur :)

Bonjour Thierry !
>

Ca  Swing toujours a Paris ?   :)

Cordialement,

Thierry
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Bob Sneidar
My understanding (typically flawed): 

Implicit Inheritance, as in creating an object or instance that is a child of 
another object, and changes to the parent or children affect the children and 
instances of the children. LC does no such thing. 

Not sure what polymorphism is, and I don't want to read up on it. 

I am not sure what OO objects there can be that are not GUI objects, unless 
something like a property or a database can be an object. 

I do see a difference between LC and an Object Oriented environment, as I 
looked at, but didn't touch Visual Foxpro some years back. I got how it can be 
very powerful once you set up your objects and inheritances, but there is a lot 
of groundwork with OO dev that has to be done, and a great deal of planning 
beforehand if you want to do anything complex. Not so much with LC. 

Bob


On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> LC isn't really OO.
>> 
> 
> OK: so to Wikipedia:
> 
> Object-based programming:
> "A somehow limited version of object-oriented programming 
> , where one or more 
> of the following restrictions applies:
> 
> "(a) There is no implicit inheritance 
> , 
> 
> "(b) there is no polymorphism 
> ,
> 
> "(c) only a very reduced subset of the available values are objects 
>  (typically the GUI 
> components)."
> 
> I wonder in which of the 3 Livecode differs from an Object-Oriented language?
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Re: LC 5.5 stability?

2012-04-04 Thread Bob Sneidar
Also, try suspending and restoring development tools whenever you get weird 
behavior like that. 

Bob


On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> On Apr 4, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
>> I am getting lots of hangs and crashes while trying to develop an iOS app on 
>> my Mac (with Lion 10.7.3). The version of LC 5.5 is 1479. The hangs seem to 
>> be when I do stuff in the IDE, and the crashes when I run my own scripts. 
>> One crash was caused by an attempt to set the layer of a background on a 
>> card other than 'this' card, which may be illegal (why?) but shouldn't have 
>> caused a crash.
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone else is having this experience, or whether it's just 
>> something in my setup. If others report similar experiences, I will try to 
>> get a couple of recipes to send to RR Support.
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> I am seeing a lot of strange slow downs as well.  I too am trying to come up 
> with a good recipe to demonstrate the issue.  It seems very random at the 
> moment.  I get them most often when I save and then try to access a LC menu 
> item.  
> 
> If I let it sit for up to a minute, LC usually recovers and works until the 
> next time it happens.  I have tried turning off all my plugins to see if that 
> helps.  The jury is still out on that one.  
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
> 
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Re: iOS - picking from a scrolling list

2012-04-04 Thread Chris Sheffield
Graham,

Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That 
should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.

Chris


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On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where 
> the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can 
> also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in 
> iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
> 
> I have looked at the latest iOS notes for LC5.5 (Scroller Control - 
> UIScrollView) and I can't understand how the textual list (like an ordinary 
> LC scrolling field) would come in to the scroller; I'm also just beginning to 
> use MobGUI to introduce some native controls, and that has a scroller object 
> too. It is  complex and consists of a group into which it is possible to 
> introduce such an LC field, but in that case it is sensitive to touches, but 
> not to dragging/scrolling - I tried setting the parameter 'delay touches' but 
> it didn't seem to change anything. 
> 
> Obviously I have missed some underlying concept here. The LC iOS doc says 
> that a scroller isn't a container for other controls, but I don't know what 
> that means. It seems a gnomic pronouncement rather on the lines of "Light is 
> not a thing" or “Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.” Sounds terrific, but 
> what does it actually mean?
> 
> I also tried reading the UIScrollView section of Apple's documentation. It's 
> promising in a way (it mentions the need to do the kind of thing I'm talking 
> about) but it doesn't help me enough to allow me to proceed.
> 
> Does anyone know how to do this? I have asked MobGUI support, but I don't 
> know how reactive they are.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread René Micout

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 18:24, Thierry Douez a écrit :

> Wings or Garlic ?

Garlic or Gaelic ?
Bonjour Thierry !
;-)
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iOS - picking from a scrolling list

2012-04-04 Thread Graham Samuel
In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where 
the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can 
also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in 
iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.

I have looked at the latest iOS notes for LC5.5 (Scroller Control - 
UIScrollView) and I can't understand how the textual list (like an ordinary LC 
scrolling field) would come in to the scroller; I'm also just beginning to use 
MobGUI to introduce some native controls, and that has a scroller object too. 
It is  complex and consists of a group into which it is possible to introduce 
such an LC field, but in that case it is sensitive to touches, but not to 
dragging/scrolling - I tried setting the parameter 'delay touches' but it 
didn't seem to change anything. 

Obviously I have missed some underlying concept here. The LC iOS doc says that 
a scroller isn't a container for other controls, but I don't know what that 
means. It seems a gnomic pronouncement rather on the lines of "Light is not a 
thing" or “Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.” Sounds terrific, but what 
does it actually mean?

I also tried reading the UIScrollView section of Apple's documentation. It's 
promising in a way (it mentions the need to do the kind of thing I'm talking 
about) but it doesn't help me enough to allow me to proceed.

Does anyone know how to do this? I have asked MobGUI support, but I don't know 
how reactive they are.

TIA

Graham
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 07:15 PM, René Micout wrote:

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 18:05, Richmond a écrit :


Gallic Egoism for a start . . . avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.

Gauls and Scots are not they cousins?
;-)



The Old Alliance!


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Thierry Douez
>
> Le 4 avr. 2012 à 18:05, Richmond a écrit :
>
> > Gallic Egoism for a start . . .
>  avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.
>

^-

Wings or Garlic ?

All the best

Thierry
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread René Micout

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 18:05, Richmond a écrit :

> Gallic Egoism for a start . . . avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.

Gauls and Scots are not they cousins?
;-)


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Marian Petrides, M.D.
Ad writers have no ethics, that's  how :-)
On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Richmond wrote:

> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development 
> tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native 
> applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
> 
> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
> 
> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
> 
> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 07:01 PM, René Micout wrote:

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:56, Richmond a écrit :


Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences between 
the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
that we don't know . . .  :)

I personally know several !
;-)


Gallic Egoism for a start . . . avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread René Micout

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:58, Tim Jones a écrit :

> Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true claim 
> as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms (web is 
> another story).

Unfortunately, it is true...
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

LC isn't really OO.



OK: so to Wikipedia:

Object-based programming:
"A somehow limited version of object-oriented programming 
, where one or 
more of the following restrictions applies:


"(a) There is no implicit inheritance 
, 



"(b) there is no polymorphism 
,


"(c) only a very reduced subset of the available values are objects 
 (typically the 
GUI components)."


I wonder in which of the 3 Livecode differs from an Object-Oriented 
language?

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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread René Micout

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:56, Richmond a écrit :

> Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences 
> between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
> that we don't know . . .  :)

I personally know several !
;-)
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Ken Corey

On 04/04/2012 16:54, Richmond wrote:

On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

LC isn't really OO.



Well, I, for one, could never quite work out what is the difference
between Object-Based (LC ?)
and Object-Oriented (RB).

Would be most grateful if you could tell me.


I'd expect RB would bring out a computer language guru who'd rabbit on 
about LC not having "proper" inheritance, and class hierarchies.


Nevermind that you can usually get what you want done with LC.

This is all marketing and seeing just how high up a tree one can pee.

Nothing worth talking about here.  Move along.

-Ken

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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Tim Jones
On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 06:53 PM, René Micout wrote:
>> On the French site there is not the term "only" (le "seul" environnement)...
> 
> Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences 
> between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
> that we don't know . . .  :)

The RS team have French team members who catch that stuff :-)

Tim


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Tim Jones
On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Richmond wrote:

> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development 
> tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native 
> applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
> 
> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
> 
> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
> 
> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?

Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true claim 
as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms (web is 
another story).

I use both for very different purposes, but aside from very custom UIs, a LC 
app versus a RS app reveals the significant work that the RS team have put into 
their frameworks and what's lacking in LC.

Just look at the Linux discussion of late as an example; there's a huge 
disparity between Linux and the Windows/Mac options.  We have an enterprise app 
that we wrote in RS that runs with a proper native look and feel on all three 
platforms.  When I tried to do something similar using LC, the results were 
less than attractive.

One big issue for us is the lack of an interactive / asynchronous shell class.  
For now, when you execute something in a shell in LC, your app blocks until the 
shelled process returns.  This makes writing wrappers for long running 
background process much more work than it should be in LC.

I've discussed this with the LC team and while 5.5 gets us closer, they're not 
there yet IMO.

Tim


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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 06:53 PM, René Micout wrote:

On the French site there is not the term "only" (le "seul" environnement)...


Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences 
between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world

that we don't know . . .  :)



Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:47, Richmond a écrit :


"Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development tool 
that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native applications for 
Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."

http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/

I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?

I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?

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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

LC isn't really OO.



Well, I, for one, could never quite work out what is the difference 
between Object-Based (LC ?)

and Object-Oriented (RB).

Would be most grateful if you could tell me.

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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread René Micout
On the French site there is not the term "only" (le "seul" environnement)...

Le 4 avr. 2012 à 17:47, Richmond a écrit :

> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development 
> tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native 
> applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
> 
> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
> 
> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
> 
> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?
> 
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Re: [OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Mike Kerner
LC isn't really OO.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
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[OT] Justified boast?

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond
"Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software 
development tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, 
stand-alone, native applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."


http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/

I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?

I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?

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Re: alternative libURL functionality on Server

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond

"the documentation needs to be corrected"

All over the place . . .

While we are talking about feature parity, price parity and so forth, 
how about

selling a properly documented product?


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alternative libURL functionality on Server

2012-04-04 Thread Roger B. Marks
Back in January, I asked LiveCode why I can't get the libURL library to 
function on the Server, even though the documentation says that it is 
supported. The answer was that the documentation needs to be corrected to show 
that libURL library is not supported on the Server. [I'm withholding comment on 
how I feel about this.]

The key current implication for me is that I can't find a way to have the 
server retrieve data from another server that places cookies.

I'm wondering, ignorantly, how I might get around this problem. One naive idea 
is to build a functional LiveCode Linux standalone, put it on On-Rev, and 
somehow get the Server script to call the standalone. But I really have no idea 
whether that's possible or how to go about it. Does it make any sense? Is there 
another way?

Thanks,

Roger
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Re: LC 5.5 stability?

2012-04-04 Thread Mark Talluto
On Apr 4, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I am getting lots of hangs and crashes while trying to develop an iOS app on 
> my Mac (with Lion 10.7.3). The version of LC 5.5 is 1479. The hangs seem to 
> be when I do stuff in the IDE, and the crashes when I run my own scripts. One 
> crash was caused by an attempt to set the layer of a background on a card 
> other than 'this' card, which may be illegal (why?) but shouldn't have caused 
> a crash.
> 
> I wonder if anyone else is having this experience, or whether it's just 
> something in my setup. If others report similar experiences, I will try to 
> get a couple of recipes to send to RR Support.

Hi Graham,

I am seeing a lot of strange slow downs as well.  I too am trying to come up 
with a good recipe to demonstrate the issue.  It seems very random at the 
moment.  I get them most often when I save and then try to access a LC menu 
item.  

If I let it sit for up to a minute, LC usually recovers and works until the 
next time it happens.  I have tried turning off all my plugins to see if that 
helps.  The jury is still out on that one.  


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


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[OT] HyperNext Android Creator

2012-04-04 Thread Richmond
I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder 
whether it
is worth the investment of learning a new programming language. Still, 
it is FREE:


http://tigabyte.com/

and worth a look (more than Danton's head, and less bloody).

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LC 5.5 stability?

2012-04-04 Thread Graham Samuel
I am getting lots of hangs and crashes while trying to develop an iOS app on my 
Mac (with Lion 10.7.3). The version of LC 5.5 is 1479. The hangs seem to be 
when I do stuff in the IDE, and the crashes when I run my own scripts. One 
crash was caused by an attempt to set the layer of a background on a card other 
than 'this' card, which may be illegal (why?) but shouldn't have caused a crash.

I wonder if anyone else is having this experience, or whether it's just 
something in my setup. If others report similar experiences, I will try to get 
a couple of recipes to send to RR Support.

Graham

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Re: Visual effect push left broken in LC 5.5 GM3?

2012-04-04 Thread William de Smet
Hi John,

Thanks for your suggestion.
It works now!

greetings,

William



2012/4/4 John Dixon :
>
>
>      William ...
>
> try something like this... have a look at 'lock screen' and 'visual effects' 
> in the dictionary, I can't remember if this was in the iOS release notes as 
> well, but the syntax has changed. This is fine for me in 5.5...
>
>      lock screen for visual effect
>      go next card
>      unlock screen with push left very fast
>
> Dixie
>
>
>> I am testing my next iOS app on my iPad and I am noticing a strange thing.
>> 'Visual effect push left' shows the effect then stops and shows the
>> next card (the card doesn't slide in).
>> I just use:
>> on mouseup
>> visual effect push left
>> go cd "choice"
>> end mouse up
>>
>> The code is on a grouped image and field.
>> I copied the code to a new button but the same thing happens.
>> On another image I use: 'visual effect push right' and that works fine.
>> Even more strange is that on another card the same code (visual effect
>> push left) works just fine on a transparent button.
>>
>> I am using LC 5.5 GM3 en my iPad is on iOS 5.1 That stack was earlier
>> made with LC 5.02 and the effect was fine on other apps.
>> The iPad Simulator 5.1 shows the same thing.
>>
>> Is this a bug? Or is this due to the new field?
>> Anyone else having the same thing?
>>
>>
>> greetings,
>>
>> William
>>
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RE: Visual effect push left broken in LC 5.5 GM3?

2012-04-04 Thread John Dixon


  William ...

try something like this... have a look at 'lock screen' and 'visual effects' in 
the dictionary, I can't remember if this was in the iOS release notes as well, 
but the syntax has changed. This is fine for me in 5.5...

  lock screen for visual effect 
  go next card 
  unlock screen with push left very fast

Dixie


> I am testing my next iOS app on my iPad and I am noticing a strange thing.
> 'Visual effect push left' shows the effect then stops and shows the
> next card (the card doesn't slide in).
> I just use:
> on mouseup
> visual effect push left
> go cd "choice"
> end mouse up
> 
> The code is on a grouped image and field.
> I copied the code to a new button but the same thing happens.
> On another image I use: 'visual effect push right' and that works fine.
> Even more strange is that on another card the same code (visual effect
> push left) works just fine on a transparent button.
> 
> I am using LC 5.5 GM3 en my iPad is on iOS 5.1 That stack was earlier
> made with LC 5.02 and the effect was fine on other apps.
> The iPad Simulator 5.1 shows the same thing.
> 
> Is this a bug? Or is this due to the new field?
> Anyone else having the same thing?
> 
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William
> 
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Visual effect push left broken in LC 5.5 GM3?

2012-04-04 Thread William de Smet
Hi there,

I am testing my next iOS app on my iPad and I am noticing a strange thing.
'Visual effect push left' shows the effect then stops and shows the
next card (the card doesn't slide in).
I just use:
on mouseup
visual effect push left
go cd "choice"
end mouse up

The code is on a grouped image and field.
I copied the code to a new button but the same thing happens.
On another image I use: 'visual effect push right' and that works fine.
Even more strange is that on another card the same code (visual effect
push left) works just fine on a transparent button.

I am using LC 5.5 GM3 en my iPad is on iOS 5.1 That stack was earlier
made with LC 5.02 and the effect was fine on other apps.
The iPad Simulator 5.1 shows the same thing.

Is this a bug? Or is this due to the new field?
Anyone else having the same thing?


greetings,

William

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