date:20120621


Andre Garzia wrote:


I don't know who I like less: Balmer or Leo...


You might want to add Larry Ellison to that list, a true contender for 
the Most FUBAR CEO award, with special achievements in the area of 
Annoying the Open Source Community with his Open Office shenanigans, and 
in the Wasteful Litigation category with his multimillion dollar attack 
on Android.


His monkeying with Open Office ultimately prompted all the major distros 
to fund the now-much-better fork, Libre Office.


And with Android, rather than the billions he was hoping for it looks 
like he'll be paying Google's court costs.


Annoying that many people and wasting so much money isn't an easy thing 
to do, possibly warranting a special Lifetime Achievement Award.


What else would we expect from a company that makes its living not from 
innovation, but from a single product it made many years ago which 
they've successfully lobbied, and traded personnel with, the major 
auditing firms to support his DB exclusively, so big corps have no 
alternative but to risk failing audits.


On second thought, while that may not be the sort of innovation we 
normally expect from a tech company, it is a most inventive strategy. ;)


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Re: Archiving Eudora?

2012-06-21 Thread william humphrey

Who is supporting Frederic Rinaldi's stuff like FastMailBase? That is such
an excellent program but it was made into an app that wasn't universal. I'd
like to update my copy.
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Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]


Richmond wrote:

 I would characterise RunRev as a company that produces a super
 product, but is signally bad at follow-up with bug reports and
 maintenance of components (such as Rev-Online and RevNet)...

To clarify, RevNet is not a product of RunRev Ltd., but was created and 
is maintained by myself and others who contribute to it from time to time.


Like the other third-party plugins included with the LiveCode IDE, 
RunRev Ltd. has no support obligation for those plugins.


I've not had bug reports for RevNet for a few years, but if you've come 
across an issue with it please email me and let me know so I can address it.


Thanks -

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[OT]: Travelling to RunRev Live - advice re VPN services

2012-06-21 Thread Martin Koob

Hi

I am going to to be travelling to RunRev Live and will be using wifi onsite
and offsite to avoid roaming data charges (Canadian ISPs roaming charges are
expensive! $10 for 1 day for 10 MB)  I have been thinking of using a VPN
service to secure my public wifi connections.  I am looking at  couple of
options. One is a software package that runs on iOS or Mac OS X called
HotSpot Shield.

http://hotspotshield.com/hss1/ 

The second are VPN services like some of the ones listed here that use PPTP.

http://www.bestvpnservice.com/blog/best-iphone-vpn-service-top-10-vpn

Do any of you seasoned world travellers have any advice on which way to go?

Thanks

Martin




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Re: Does a LC standalone run from a flash drive on a WIN PC


Mark Rauterkus wrote:

Does a Livecode standalone application run on a PC with WIN from a flash drive?


Indeed it does.  LiveCode apps are generally self-contained, with 
everything they need in a single folder, so they can be run from nearly 
anything.


In fact, one of the products I manage has an option to install to either 
the user's hard drive or to a USB flash drive, so the user can take not 
only their data with them anywhere they go, but also the application so 
they can work on any machine available to them.


Works from network-mounted volumes as well.

One of the most frequent support questions I get from IT staff where our 
products are deployed is about configuration:  they simply can't believe 
that all they need to do is share the volume and it all just works. 
They keep expecting some need to install DLLs all over the user's 
system, and they just won't accept our simple installation guide at face 
value.  They call, and I explain that's all there is to it, and once 
they try it they're amazed.


We take such simplicity for granted, but apparently Win apps are still 
to this day so commonly replete with DLL hell that the beautifully 
self-contained nature of LiveCode apps is a rare thing, rare enough to 
confuse even the most experience IT staff who insist that it must be 
more difficult than we describe. :)


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Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]

2012-06-21 Thread Tim Jones

Not what I meant - it's easy to miss reports in a feedback system.  I was 
asking if you've contacted one of the staff directly.  Much harder to miss such 
a request.

Tim

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 Yes, but even if they had not, they posted to the quality center which is 
 actually where they are supposed to. They are saying that no response has 
 come to those posts. It would be better if someone came back and said, We 
 really do not have time at present to address this issue. or else, We plan 
 on fixing that within the next six months. 
 
 Bob
 
 
 On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
 
 I don't mean to play Obvious Man here, but has anyone actually contacted 
 Heather, et al and asked for it to be fixed?


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Re: Rev Online

2012-06-21 Thread Paul Hibbert

I've never tried uploading to RevOnline before, mainly because I didn't have 
anything worthwhile to contribute. After reading so many reports that it was 
broken I decided to see if I could log on and see where the issues are, then at 
least I would know what people were talking about.

I couldn't log on initially with my normal Rev user/password, so I used the 
'Forgot your password?' option and soon received a new password, then I could 
Log-in OK.

I built a very small test stack to try the upload and it failed with an error 
that told me it couldn't report the error because the script was locked! So not 
wanting to be beaten I tried a few different things and eventually it worked. 
The mistake I was making originally was to try to add an image at the same time 
as uploading the stack, so once I uploaded a stack first and then used 'Edit 
Stack' to add the preview image everything worked fine.

If the upload failed RevOnline seemed to throw a wobbly, so I did log out and 
log back in again after each failed attempt.

I am currently using a 2009 iMac on Lion 10.7.4 and LC 5.5.1 on a very slow 
cable connection. The stack was very small (9.3KB) and the preview image is a 
Jpeg file.

Maybe something was fixed recently (I know I'm much happier with some of the 
bug fixes in LC 5.5.1), but if anybody is waiting to upload stacks to RevOnline 
it could be worth trying again.

I hope this helps someone.

Paul
--

On 2012-06-21, at 12:09 AM, René Micout wrote:

 
 Le 20 juin 2012 à 21:38, Mark Wieder a écrit :
 
 The issue isn't whether you or any other third party can come up with
 an alternative... it looks bad for the official company-sponsored way
 to share content and show off what can be done with their flagship
 product to be broken for over six months, and no response from them
 about fixing things or even acknowledging a problem.
 
 Hello,
 December/09/2011 17:06:42 HNEC I had this response :
 
 [Ticket#2011120810003644] Re: RevOnline
 
 Dear René Micout,
 Thank you for your request.
 We are taking a look at this, we will get back to you.
 Regards,
 
 Karthik Sukumaran
 --
 RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com 
 LiveCode – Realize fast, compile-free coding
 --
 
 december/08/2011 16:39 - René Micout wrote:
 
 Good evening,
 I have some difficulties to upload a stack on RevOnline...
 Can you look if there is some problem with it ?
 Thank you
 René Micout
 
 
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Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]


Alex Tweedly wrote:


On 20/06/2012 15:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:

On-Rev is still in business as a shared hosting alternative with
RevServer preinstalled, and RevServer itself is kinda nifty and also
remains available, currently at v5.0.1 (understandable that it's not
using 5.5 since most of the additions are for the field object and
mobile, neither of which is particularly useful on a server).


But it's a pain having RevServer stuck in an older version, because the
stack format changed. If you have library stacks that you use in both
desktop apps and revServer (and of course that's one of the advantages
of Livecode), then you need to remember which version of LiveCode to use
when editing them. In theory you can just always remember to Save As
... and change the format - but I know from experience how easy it is
to forget that :-)


True, dat.  Being a lazy person I updated the Save button in my devo 
palette so that it now looks for a stack property called 
ufwStackFileVersion, and if present uses that value to set the 
stackFileVersion global property to save the stack, restoring the 
default when it's done.


There aren't many stacks I work on which need to go backwards, but at 
least using this allows me to set it once and forget about it, a bit of 
extra work but less so than trying to remember to use Save As


FWIW the latest version of the 4wDevolution tool palette is available in 
the Stack section of RevNet, but be forewarned: it was originally 
designed for use within the MetaCard IDE, and when using it with 
LiveCode it's not fully functional and may at times throw an error when 
it expects to find MC-specific stacks.  When I get some spare time 
(yeah, right, that'll happen soon) I'll update it for full LiveCode 
compatibility, but in the meantime at least some of it is useful now. 
Well, at least Andre seems to like it. :)


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ANN: PreOrder FieldTrip (62%)

2012-06-21 Thread Curry Kenworthy



Wow! I woke up to find us 62% of the way toward our crucial funding. 
Thanks to one and all, and extra thanks to those who bought at the 
FieldTripper and BigFan levels.


There's still a third to go, and this is all still in the crucial stage 
of funding, not just the nice to have but the gotta have features! 
To make this field just as good for word processing on mobile as it is 
on desktop adds to the challenge, and we have our work cut out for us to 
stylishly support all those amazing LiveCode 5.5 text features!


So if you still haven't preordered, here's your chance. This field and 
toolbar is almost like having your own little MS Word or Pages interface 
to drop in your app. For yourself, for your end users...either way it'll 
spruce up content like never before!


If you've ordered at the entry level and would like to upgrade to a 
FieldTripper or above to have more input, it's not too late...just 
PayPal me the difference to my email address.


And we still don't have anyone at the RichTextHero level...that could be 
you! (We do have a BigFan, whom we greatly appreciate.) Those who order 
at higher levels, be sure to let us know which features are most 
important to you. Big or small, we appreciate every order and we will 
enjoy delivering a top-notch addon to our preorder customers.


To reserve your copy of FieldTrip, click here:

http://www.curryk.com/fieldtrip-preorder.html

Thank you.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
(Author of WordLib, WordReport, SpreadLib, etc. ...)

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Re: simple (?): how to test menus after building them

2012-06-21 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 6/21/12 9:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Actually, you can share groups from a mainstack to any of its substacks.


How?  I've been wanting to do that for years


You've probably already seen my retraction. Last year I worked on a 
stack that shared a menu bar with multiple substacks, and that's what I 
was thinking of. I had to go look -- I was setting the default menubar, 
not placing a menu group. Ergo, thinko.


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Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]


Alex Tweedly wrote:


On 20/06/2012 01:23, Richard Gaskin wrote:

In LiveCode, see Development-Plugins-GoRevNet, and once there see
the Stacks section.

RevNet was the first community-based stack sharing service, later
somewhat displaced by the advent of RevOnline two years later.

It all still works, and I would be happy to work with anyone here to
expand it to be even more useful.


Richard,

you are absolutely correct - RevNet is exactly the kind of thing I was
thinking of, I'd simply forgotten about it because it got pushed aside
by revonline. Most of the stacks available through RevNet have been, or
still are, here on my system.

I think it could benefit from some additional features (mostly seeon on
revonline, such as finer granularity of categories, or keyword tags, or
search by author, or ) (and I'll email you off-list about spending
some of my copious spare time on those).


Thanks - I've just added a new section for RevNet to the LiveCode 
Journal forums:

http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28

I hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of copying your post 
there to kick off that discussion.


The LiveCode Journal forums are new and still not linked into the main 
site yet - I need to do that, but first I need to revamp the main menu 
buttons using x-plat tools (I made those with Fireworks but now I spend 
more time with Linux and since LC now has nice graphic effects I prefer 
to make such things in LC), and then link them in, and all of that will 
have to wait until I finish some client projects (been an unusually busy 
season here).


So for now just use http://livecodejournal.com/forum/, or the link 
above, and I'll link it in proper as soon as I get some time to do that.


Alternatively, if anyone here wants to help webmaster the LiveCode 
Journal site, let's talk.  There's a section in those forums for 
LiveCode Journal itself.




But RevNet also needs three other things:

  - publicity. It needs to become common to see a posting on the
use-list (or in the forums) that says I've just posted a little stack
to RevNet to do ...

  - it needs to become slightly less imposing. It was always clear that
revonline was for everyone to use - and many people would post things on
there. RevNet looks a little bit too much like only experts put stuff
there. It's probably a combination of the style, and maybe the language
(e.g. calling them resources rather than sample stacks) and probably
just gathering more usage.

  - more stacks.

So - unless a better alternative appears in the next day or two - I'd
urge everyone who has posted stacks to revonline to also add them to
RevNet. I'll be doing that with the stacks I used to have on revonline
(though I'll probably take the opportunity to tidy them up a bit first
-some of them are a bit old :-).


All good suggestions, but to be honest once RevOnline was born I started 
thinking about RevNet in different ways, moving beyond the stack-sharing 
that RevOnline is focused on into other types of resources useful to 
developers.


As long as RevOnline exists, it simply needs to be fixed. It's the most 
popular solution for sharing stacks, and I would only put a lot of time 
into RevNet's Stacks section if RevOnline were to become EOL'd.  While 
there may be some merit to double-posting to RevNet in addition to 
RevOnline, in truth that's only because RevOnline needs to be fixed; 
once fixed, that section of RevNet becomes a redundancy.


So the key here is to try to get a realistic estimate from RunRev about 
when RevOnline will be fixed, or whether it will be EOL'd.  I've written 
Support this morning to find out.


That said, there are other ways RevNet can be useful to the community. 
They key element is time:  so far it's been just me with occasional help 
from a few others (like Chipp and Jerry who've helped in the past).


There is some foundational work which could/should arguably be done to 
simplify how it downloads stacks - I've learned a lot since I first 
launched RevNet on Christmas day in 2002.


But again, the key is time.  Right now I'm committed to client projects, 
which must take priority over volunteer efforts like RevNet.


So while I have some ambitious plans and a fair amount of prep work done 
for new RevNet features in the future, for now moving it forward will 
have to rely on contributions from others in the community, at least 
until the end of summer when my schedule begins to lighten up.


Anyone interested is welcome to join the discussion in the LiveCode 
Journal forum:

http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28


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What about image file names with a space -- will that be a problem later?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Rauterkus

Hi,

Building the camp attendance application with LC Win and wonder about
the use of a space in a file name of an image. Is that going to cause
troubles later?

I've got the record for each student as a two words with a space
between. That then becomes the card name. (example, Roberto
Clemente).

I'll take photos of the kids and then rename the file, from the
digital camera, imagex.jpg to Roberto Clemente.jpg. Then I'll get
the photo of the person and have it show in the record, etc.

Am I going to run into problems with the finder or such with that
space between the FirstName and LastName?

Should I do something else, like name the files with an UNDERLINE character?

Does anyone have a LC card or button routine that can surf a directory
of photos and rename the file names. Image #25 is Sally Smith. --
filename changed to Sally Smith.jpg.


--
Ta.


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Re: Somewhat OT: Windows Phone 8

My niece got me a cover like that for my iPad. The inserts were made of 
cardboard however, and it fell to pieces in 6 to 8 months and I didn't use it 
all that hard. 

Bob


On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 I have an iPad cover, and it sort of can act like a stand, but it's not so 
 strong, especially after a few months. The Microsoft tablet has a cover that 
 doubles as a keyboard, and it has a separate flat to prop up the screen.
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Linux: answer file always shows hidden files?

It seems that LiveCode's answer file command on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) 
always shows hidden files, regardless of whether I have that setting 
turned on in the file manager.


Is there some secret param I can use to turn that off?

If not, I'll file a bug report.

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Re: Linux: answer file always shows hidden files?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Wieder

Richard Gaskin ambassador@... writes:

 
 It seems that LiveCode's answer file command on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) 
 always shows hidden files, regardless of whether I have that setting 
 turned on in the file manager.

The file manager is an application. Changing its preferences shouldn't change
the behavior of linux itself.

 
 Is there some secret param I can use to turn that off?

put the files into tFiles
filter tFiles without .*

then put tFiles into a custom Answer File dialog

 If not, I'll file a bug report.

I don't think this qualifies as a bug. It doesn't seem that any application
should rely on the preferences of a different application.

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Re: What about image file names with a space -- will that be a problem later?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Wieder

Mark Rauterkus mark.rauterkus@... writes:

 I've got the record for each student as a two words with a space
 between. That then becomes the card name. (example, Roberto
 Clemente).

 ...Should I do something else

Yes.

It's bad database design to have real data used as an index. What if you happen
to end up over time with two students named Roberto Clemente? What if someone
makes a mistake in spelling when creating the card in the first place and then
later on you have to correct not just the card but all the files you just
created based on the card name?

If you're going to use cards as a database (not a bad idea until you get too
many to deal with in a realistic time frame), and you want to index by card
name, then consider giving each new student a unique ID and naming the card by
that ID. Then have one card with the list of IDs/student names, and you can look
them up that way.

Personally, I would use a database for this type of application, but...

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Re: Linux: answer file always shows hidden files?

2012-06-21 Thread Warren Samples


On 06/21/2012 11:39 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

It seems that LiveCode's answer file command on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04)
always shows hidden files, regardless of whether I have that setting
turned on in the file manager.

Is there some secret param I can use to turn that off?

If not, I'll file a bug report.

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to expand a tiny bit... I have my file manager, Dolphin in KDE, set to 
show hidden files but they do not appear in the file selector dialog 
displayed by answer file.


Warren

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Re: Archiving Eudora?

2012-06-21 Thread stephen barncard

nice to see a 4 year old thread pop up. This is OP when I was still using
Eudora, before I discovered the spam filters in gMail.

An app like this could be valuable in the future if people want to recover
their old mail records from gMail (and of course old Eudora data ) and want
to move somewhere else.

William - Rinaldi is on this list sometimes, or visits the forums. He might
sell/give/license his old code.  I'm sure you could find his direct email
without too much trouble - he posted to this list only a couple of months
ago and there is an email link at http://rinaldicollection.free.fr.

I could speak volumes about Frederick Rinaldi - how his externals (like
ListSelect and Serial ) saved my corporate bacon back in 1989 and enabled
the creation of an odd hardware-software rube-goldberg machine called AM
Tape Copy http://amstudios.net/htdoc/Pages/welcome_PP.html. This guy
 gives back a lot to the Mac community.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:37 AM, william humphrey 
b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote:

 FastMailBase




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Re: Archiving Eudora?

2012-06-21 Thread Pierre Sahores

And Fred is a really a gentle and amazing person, even if he use, time ago, to 
work teen years for Apple France ;-)))

Fred, if you are around on list ;D

Pierre

Le 21 juin 2012 à 19:11, stephen barncard a écrit :

 nice to see a 4 year old thread pop up. This is OP when I was still using
 Eudora, before I discovered the spam filters in gMail.
 
 An app like this could be valuable in the future if people want to recover
 their old mail records from gMail (and of course old Eudora data ) and want
 to move somewhere else.
 
 William - Rinaldi is on this list sometimes, or visits the forums. He might
 sell/give/license his old code.  I'm sure you could find his direct email
 without too much trouble - he posted to this list only a couple of months
 ago and there is an email link at http://rinaldicollection.free.fr.
 
 I could speak volumes about Frederick Rinaldi - how his externals (like
 ListSelect and Serial ) saved my corporate bacon back in 1989 and enabled
 the creation of an odd hardware-software rube-goldberg machine called AM
 Tape Copy http://amstudios.net/htdoc/Pages/welcome_PP.html. This guy
 gives back a lot to the Mac community.
 
 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:37 AM, william humphrey 
 b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote:
 
 FastMailBase
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco Ca. USA
 
 more about sqb  http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar
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Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]

2012-06-21 Thread Richmond


On 06/21/2012 05:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:

 I would characterise RunRev as a company that produces a super
 product, but is signally bad at follow-up with bug reports and
 maintenance of components (such as Rev-Online and RevNet)...

To clarify, RevNet is not a product of RunRev Ltd., but was created 
and is maintained by myself and others who contribute to it from time 
to time.


Aah; well that puts a diferent perspective on revNet altogether, and for 
that I retract my criticism on that point.


Like the other third-party plugins included with the LiveCode IDE, 
RunRev Ltd. has no support obligation for those plugins.


I've not had bug reports for RevNet for a few years, but if you've 
come across an issue with it please email me and let me know so I can 
address it.


Nothing is intrinsically wrong with RevNet, it is just very out-of-date.



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Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]


Richmond wrote:

Nothing is intrinsically wrong with RevNet, it is just very out-of-date.


Agreed.  It could use some pruning of the stacks it has access to, and a 
freshened appearance.


Those and more are on my to-do list, but client work pays for that so I 
must continue to give priority to shipping those client projects for 
now, in hopes of a nifty new revamp for RevNet toward the end of summer.


If anyone wants to contribute to either RevNet or LiveCode Journal, both 
are community efforts and your participation is welcome:


http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28

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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Roger Guay

Thanks so much for you patience, Chris . . . I'm learning a lot from you, but 
unfortunately, I'm still not able to play sounds in iOS. In answer to your 
questions and points:

I am not able to play sounds in either the simulator nor my iPad.

The answer command you suggest (very clever!) returns false in the simulator 
and on my iPad. Yet, I have verified the files are sitting in plain site of 
Show Package Contents folder of the standalone

You mention that You can also verify the path by looking at the path as it's 
listed in Standalone Application Settings. Where is that? I can't seem to find 
anything except the Default build folder, which in my case is my desktop. 
Doesn't the engine folder take care of path automatically when running on the 
device?

Thanks again,

Roger


On Jun 20, 2012, at 3:12 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Message: 10
 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:14:11 -0600
 From: Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Playing Sounds in iOS
 Message-ID: d9e8907f-8aff-48c5-bd78-b900bc68b...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Your code seems okay as far as I can tell. I'm guessing the path is not 
 getting set correctly. Are you running this in the simulator or on a device?
 
 One really quick way to verify the path of a file, especially if you're 
 running in the simulator, is to simply place an answer command right before 
 the call to mobilePlaySoundOnChannel to check the existence of the file 
 you're trying to play. So something like:
 
 answer there is a file tSoundFile
 
 This will return true if the file exists, false otherwise. If your app is 
 built for a device and you want to make sure the file are copying into the 
 bundle correctly, in the Finder, right click on the bundle and choose Show 
 Package Contents. Your files will either be right inside that folder or 
 inside a sub folder. So just make sure to set the path accordingly. You can 
 also verify the path by looking at the path as it's listed in Standalone 
 Application Settings. If there are any folder names as part of the path, 
 those folders will be created inside your app bundle and need to be included 
 when building paths for the sound files.
 
 So if you've verified the path and things are still not working, the only 
 other thing I can think of is that you've got files that are not compatible 
 with iOS for whatever reason, though I believe those file types are.
 
 Chris


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Re: Archiving Eudora?

2012-06-21 Thread william humphrey

Thanks. I was worried about him as his websites all stop at 2004

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.comwrote:

 And Fred is a really a gentle and amazing person, even if he use, time
 ago, to work teen years for Apple France ;-)))

 Fred, if you are around on list ;D

 Pierre

 Le 21 juin 2012 à 19:11, stephen barncard a écrit :

  nice to see a 4 year old thread pop up. This is OP when I was still using
  Eudora, before I discovered the spam filters in gMail.
 
  An app like this could be valuable in the future if people want to
 recover
  their old mail records from gMail (and of course old Eudora data ) and
 want
  to move somewhere else.
 
  William - Rinaldi is on this list sometimes, or visits the forums. He
 might
  sell/give/license his old code.  I'm sure you could find his direct email
  without too much trouble - he posted to this list only a couple of months
  ago and there is an email link at http://rinaldicollection.free.fr.
 
  I could speak volumes about Frederick Rinaldi - how his externals (like
  ListSelect and Serial ) saved my corporate bacon back in 1989 and enabled
  the creation of an odd hardware-software rube-goldberg machine called
 AM
  Tape Copy http://amstudios.net/htdoc/Pages/welcome_PP.html. This guy
  gives back a lot to the Mac community.
 
  On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:37 AM, william humphrey 
  b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote:
 
  FastMailBase
 
 
 
 
  --
 
 
 
  Stephen Barncard
  San Francisco Ca. USA
 
  more about sqb  http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar
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Re: Linux: answer file always shows hidden files?


Mark Wieder wrote:

 put the files into tFiles
 filter tFiles without .*

 then put tFiles into a custom Answer File dialog

That allows me to alter the results of the dialog, but doesn't affect 
the non-standard appearance of the files within it.


My goal is to have a UI consistent with others on Ubuntu, and most of 
them do not show hidden files unless you specifically select an option 
to do that.



 I don't think this qualifies as a bug. It doesn't seem that any
 application should rely on the preferences of a different application.

Actually, it seems to be somewhat common on Ubuntu, and possibly other 
Debian-based systems.  There's a subsystem designed specifically for 
that, gconf on older systems and later replaced with dconf, so that apps 
can interoperate.


But whether the LiveCode call to the answer file dialog uses dconf 
isn't as important to me as that it simply exhibit behavior that more 
closely matches the de facto conventions on that platform.


Ideally it could provide a flag for us to determine whether we want to 
give the user access to hidden files, so we can use it for more normal 
productivity apps and also for apps that may modify config files.



Warren Samples wrote:

 Hidden files are not shown here openSUSE, Livecode 5.5.1.
 ...I have my file manager, Dolphin in KDE, set to show hidden
 files but they do not appear in the file selector dialog
 displayed by answer file.

Very helpful.  Looks like it's specific to Ubuntu, or perhaps to all 
Debian-based distros, or maybe to Gnome, but at least we can distinguish 
openSUSE and/or KDE.


Before I file a feature request for this it would be helpful to get 
input from others:


If any of you are using Linux it would be helpful to know which distro 
and version, which desktop environment, and whether using the answer 
file command shows hidden files in its listing.


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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Devin Asay

Roger,

Maybe you've done this, but keep in mind that the iOS file system is case 
sensitive, unlike the OS X file system. Could there be case mismatches in your 
file paths and/or names?

Devin


On Jun 21, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Roger Guay wrote:

 Thanks so much for you patience, Chris . . . I'm learning a lot from you, but 
 unfortunately, I'm still not able to play sounds in iOS. In answer to your 
 questions and points:
 
 I am not able to play sounds in either the simulator nor my iPad.
 
 The answer command you suggest (very clever!) returns false in the simulator 
 and on my iPad. Yet, I have verified the files are sitting in plain site of 
 Show Package Contents folder of the standalone
 
 You mention that You can also verify the path by looking at the path as it's 
 listed in Standalone Application Settings. Where is that? I can't seem to 
 find anything except the Default build folder, which in my case is my 
 desktop. Doesn't the engine folder take care of path automatically when 
 running on the device?
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Roger
 
 
 On Jun 20, 2012, at 3:12 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 Message: 10
 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:14:11 -0600
 From: Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Playing Sounds in iOS
 Message-ID: d9e8907f-8aff-48c5-bd78-b900bc68b...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Your code seems okay as far as I can tell. I'm guessing the path is not 
 getting set correctly. Are you running this in the simulator or on a device?
 
 One really quick way to verify the path of a file, especially if you're 
 running in the simulator, is to simply place an answer command right before 
 the call to mobilePlaySoundOnChannel to check the existence of the file 
 you're trying to play. So something like:
 
 answer there is a file tSoundFile
 
 This will return true if the file exists, false otherwise. If your app is 
 built for a device and you want to make sure the file are copying into the 
 bundle correctly, in the Finder, right click on the bundle and choose Show 
 Package Contents. Your files will either be right inside that folder or 
 inside a sub folder. So just make sure to set the path accordingly. You can 
 also verify the path by looking at the path as it's listed in Standalone 
 Application Settings. If there are any folder names as part of the path, 
 those folders will be created inside your app bundle and need to be included 
 when building paths for the sound files.
 
 So if you've verified the path and things are still not working, the only 
 other thing I can think of is that you've got files that are not compatible 
 with iOS for whatever reason, though I believe those file types are.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: Somewhat OT: Windows Phone 8

I have said before, but it bears repeating, the thing that makes mobile devices 
appealing to use with a touch interface, is that the apps do not have nearly 
the functionality that a full blown laptop or workstation does, and therefore 
less things to touch. Using a touch interface in OS X or Windows will tire 
someone out in a hurry, if the task requires a lot of interaction. 

I think a touchair would be a mistake on Apple's part. 

Bob


On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

 
 On 21/06/2012, at 01:18 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
 
 I never was too crazy on those new magnetic iPad covers. I like mine more:
 http://www.speckproducts.com/tablet-ipad-cases/magfolio-for-ipad2.html
 
 STM Skinny.
 
 And, I don't know if a flex keyboard will work, but this one seems to, so
 perhaps MS's will:
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/740785012/touchfire-the-screen-top-keyboard-for-ipad
 
 It sits over the screen though.
 
 For mine, the keyboard/cover is the one really good idea that the Surface 
 brings to the tablet space. Apparently the hinge arrangement is flexible 
 enough to allow the cover to be folded to the back of the device, and when in 
 this position the keys are disabled.
 
 Perhaps Apple could counter with an Air with a touch screen and a removable 
 keyboard that could be snapped over the back of the screen when not in use. 
 Add in the ability to run virtualised iOS apps and I'll definitely buy one.
 
 Terry...
 
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 Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
 Medical Eduction Unit
 Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry  Health Sciences
 The University of Melbourne
 
 
 
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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 6/21/12 12:43 PM, Roger Guay wrote:


I am not able to play sounds in either the simulator nor my iPad.


I looked back in the thread and saw you are using sound files of type 
.caf. Try a different format and see if it works.


From the Apple developer notes:

The audio technologies in iOS support the following audio formats:

AAC

Apple Lossless (ALAC)

A-law

IMA/ADPCM (IMA4)

Linear PCM

µ-law

DVI/Intel IMA ADPCM

Microsoft GSM 6.10

AES3-2003

http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Miscellaneous/Conceptual/iPhoneOSTechOverview/MediaLayer/MediaLayer.html

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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

That is not entirely accurate. The Mac file system can be formatted as case 
sensitive or not. The default is not, and there probably isn't a single person 
in the world who uses case sensitivity, but hey, I'm in developer mode. 

Bob


On Jun 21, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

 Roger,
 
 Maybe you've done this, but keep in mind that the iOS file system is case 
 sensitive, unlike the OS X file system. Could there be case mismatches in 
 your file paths and/or names?
 
 Devin


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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Colin Holgate

He did say that he was trying WAV too, which ought to come under the Linear PCM 
ability.


On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:46 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:

 I looked back in the thread and saw you are using sound files of type 
 .caf. Try a different format and see if it works.

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Re: Linux: answer file always shows hidden files?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Wieder

Richard Gaskin ambassador@... writes:

 If any of you are using Linux it would be helpful to know which distro 
 and version, which desktop environment, and whether using the answer 
 file command shows hidden files in its listing.

After caffeine, I realize that the answer file dialog does indeed invoke the
File Manager, and so you're quite correct in that the File Manager preferences
should be respected. It is working as designed on Fedora 16/xfce spin, where the
hidden files are not shown if I disable them from the File Manager. Getting the
files does give the entire list, including the hidden files. So it appears that
Ubuntu is at fault here.

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Re: ANN: PreOrder FieldTrip (Features)

2012-06-21 Thread Curry Kenworthy




I am theoretically interested, but I feel underinformed to actually do a buy 
decision. Can you show some more screenshots, or maybe talk a bit more about 
features of the GUI, how they're done, and what that might be expected but 
probably missing in 1.0?


Howdy Björnke,

Thanks for the question! FieldTrip is a rich text editor that is 
basically a word processor field, revealing the LiveCode text styling 
features with a nice toolbar.


Of course it has all the B I U simple styling, paragraph alignment and 
so on, and it will have a tab bar for tabs and margins, and list support.


Working on mobile is a major focus, we've got it running on our tablets 
and it also allows the end user to resize and move the field easily on 
mobile, if that's relevant to your app and you enable that feature. 
We're planning flexible options for skinning.


What features exactly will be in 1.0 and what will be still to do depend 
entirely on this preorder drive, so that's as far as I'm going at the 
moment.


We greatly appreciate the preorders and I am committed to giving our 
precustomers something truly special, such as prior access a month 
before anyone else, or extra features; still to be determined, but 
definitely they will have perks!


Those who order above the base level will also be able to specify the 
features important to them, and I will commit a corresponding amount of 
time to those features.


So, I encourage you to order during this phase and be one of our 
extra-cool special customers! :)


To reserve your copy of FieldTrip, click here:

http://www.curryk.com/fieldtrip-preorder.html

Thank you.

Best wishes,

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(Author of WordLib, WordReport, SpreadLib, etc. ...)


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Re: Archiving Eudora?

I hadn't come across this collection before and the names of the downloads
are enticing!  I downloaded CreateAlias and CopyFolder, expanded them
with Stuffit Expander, and they came out as Unix executable files, even
thought the RR column is checked which I thought meant they were
Revolution/Livecode script files.

I'm obviously missing something here and hope someone can enlighhten me.

Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com



On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 William - Rinaldi is on this list sometimes, or visits the forums. He might
 sell/give/license his old code.  I'm sure you could find his direct email
 without too much trouble - he posted to this list only a couple of months
 ago and there is an email link at http://rinaldicollection.free.fr.

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Table field

Bill Vlahos' lcTaskList and the Bernd's table stack have inspired me to
play around with tables more than I have in the past.

I've implemented coloring of alternate rows but I noticed that the
highlighting of the alternate rows starts a few pixels in from the left
side of the line and stops a few pixels short of the vertical scrollbar at
the right side of the line.  Any suggestions as to how to make the
highlight extend across the full width of a line?

Thanks,

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Re: Archiving Eudora?

2012-06-21 Thread Klaus on-rev

Hi Pete,

Am 21.06.2012 um 21:18 schrieb Peter Haworth:

 I hadn't come across this collection before and the names of the downloads
 are enticing!  I downloaded CreateAlias and CopyFolder, expanded them
 with Stuffit Expander, and they came out as Unix executable files, even
 thought the RR column is checked which I thought meant they were
 Revolution/Livecode script files.
 
 I'm obviously missing something here

yep, that fact that these are PPC externals, as indicated on that page ;-)
I don't think you can use them with a recent version of LiveCode.

The column RR means that these externals have been part of earlier
distributions of Revolution, at least 10 years ago :-D

 and hope someone can enlighhten me.
 
 Pete
 lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com
 
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, stephen barncard 
 stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
 
 William - Rinaldi is on this list sometimes, or visits the forums. He might
 sell/give/license his old code.  I'm sure you could find his direct email
 without too much trouble - he posted to this list only a couple of months
 ago and there is an email link at http://rinaldicollection.free.fr.

Best

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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Chris Sheffield

Roger,

Try this. Open the Standalone Application Settings dialog. Click on Copy Files. 
Look at your list of files and/or folders. Did you add files individually? Did 
you add an entire folder of files? Check the paths of these files/folders? Do 
these paths contain any subfolders relative to your stack file? For example, if 
you added an entire folder containing sound files, it might be listed as [some 
folder]/*. If you added individual files, they might be listed as [some 
folder]/mySound.wav. If that's the case, you have to include those folder 
names in your code when creating the path to the files. Using the engine 
folder will not automatically add those sub folder names. So that's the first 
thing to check.

If that all looks good, make a slight mod to the answer command so that it's 
answer tSoundFile. This way you can verify the path is what you expect it to 
be. In the simulator, that path will be fairly long most likely. If that path 
looks okay, then it may just be that the files are not compatible. Do they play 
okay on your computer? Verify that it's a supported file type on iOS using the 
list Jacque provided.

Hopefully I'm being helpful and not just causing more confusion. Sometimes I'm 
not very good at explaining things. Let me know if you still have questions. 
Also, like Devin said, the iOS file system is case sensitive, where the Mac OS 
file system may or may not be. So make sure file and folder names in your code 
match case exactly as it is on disk. I've gotten bit by that a few times.

Chris


On Jun 21, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Roger Guay i...@mac.com wrote:

 Thanks so much for you patience, Chris . . . I'm learning a lot from you, but 
 unfortunately, I'm still not able to play sounds in iOS. In answer to your 
 questions and points:
 
 I am not able to play sounds in either the simulator nor my iPad.
 
 The answer command you suggest (very clever!) returns false in the simulator 
 and on my iPad. Yet, I have verified the files are sitting in plain site of 
 Show Package Contents folder of the standalone
 
 You mention that You can also verify the path by looking at the path as it's 
 listed in Standalone Application Settings. Where is that? I can't seem to 
 find anything except the Default build folder, which in my case is my 
 desktop. Doesn't the engine folder take care of path automatically when 
 running on the device?
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Roger
 
 
 On Jun 20, 2012, at 3:12 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 Message: 10
 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:14:11 -0600
 From: Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Playing Sounds in iOS
 Message-ID: d9e8907f-8aff-48c5-bd78-b900bc68b...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Your code seems okay as far as I can tell. I'm guessing the path is not 
 getting set correctly. Are you running this in the simulator or on a device?
 
 One really quick way to verify the path of a file, especially if you're 
 running in the simulator, is to simply place an answer command right before 
 the call to mobilePlaySoundOnChannel to check the existence of the file 
 you're trying to play. So something like:
 
 answer there is a file tSoundFile
 
 This will return true if the file exists, false otherwise. If your app is 
 built for a device and you want to make sure the file are copying into the 
 bundle correctly, in the Finder, right click on the bundle and choose Show 
 Package Contents. Your files will either be right inside that folder or 
 inside a sub folder. So just make sure to set the path accordingly. You can 
 also verify the path by looking at the path as it's listed in Standalone 
 Application Settings. If there are any folder names as part of the path, 
 those folders will be created inside your app bundle and need to be included 
 when building paths for the sound files.
 
 So if you've verified the path and things are still not working, the only 
 other thing I can think of is that you've got files that are not compatible 
 with iOS for whatever reason, though I believe those file types are.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: Archiving Eudora?

Thanks Klaus.
Pete
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.comwrote:

 Hi Pete,

 Am 21.06.2012 um 21:18 schrieb Peter Haworth:

  I hadn't come across this collection before and the names of the
 downloads
  are enticing!  I downloaded CreateAlias and CopyFolder, expanded them
  with Stuffit Expander, and they came out as Unix executable files, even
  thought the RR column is checked which I thought meant they were
  Revolution/Livecode script files.
 
  I'm obviously missing something here

 yep, that fact that these are PPC externals, as indicated on that page ;-)
 I don't think you can use them with a recent version of LiveCode.

 The column RR means that these externals have been part of earlier
 distributions of Revolution, at least 10 years ago :-D

  and hope someone can enlighhten me.
 
  Pete
  lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com
 
 
 
  On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, stephen barncard 
  stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
 
  William - Rinaldi is on this list sometimes, or visits the forums. He
 might
  sell/give/license his old code.  I'm sure you could find his direct
 email
  without too much trouble - he posted to this list only a couple of
 months
  ago and there is an email link at http://rinaldicollection.free.fr.

 Best

 Klaus

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Re: ANN: PreOrder FieldTrip (Features)

2012-06-21 Thread Björnke von Gierke

I guess my questions where too general, so here some specifics. It's ok to say 
no idea about that, it's too early of course :)

How much is the minimal amount of the buttons at the top for desktop, in pixels 
and in amount of buttons?

Will there be buttons for usual file handling like open, save and print?

Do you plan that people could make their own buttons and functionality for the 
toolbar?

Can the user add or remove buttons from the toolbar (like Word used to have 
before the ribbon)?

Will the toolbar be like old Word, or more like the modern Ribbon?

Can I show and hide parts or all of the toolbar per script?

Can the field still be used by my own code, for example for code coloring and 
intendation?

Still would prefer some screenshots.

Will you be at the conference next week? Maybe you can simple show your stuff 
to me there, and then I can decide :)

On 21.06.2012, at 21:13, Curry Kenworthy wrote:

 
 I am theoretically interested, but I feel underinformed to actually do a buy 
 decision. Can you show some more screenshots, or maybe talk a bit more about 
 features of the GUI, how they're done, and what that might be expected but 
 probably missing in 1.0?
 
 Howdy Björnke,
 
 Thanks for the question! FieldTrip is a rich text editor that is basically a 
 word processor field, revealing the LiveCode text styling features with a 
 nice toolbar.
 
 Of course it has all the B I U simple styling, paragraph alignment and so on, 
 and it will have a tab bar for tabs and margins, and list support.
 
 Working on mobile is a major focus, we've got it running on our tablets and 
 it also allows the end user to resize and move the field easily on mobile, if 
 that's relevant to your app and you enable that feature. We're planning 
 flexible options for skinning.
 
 What features exactly will be in 1.0 and what will be still to do depend 
 entirely on this preorder drive, so that's as far as I'm going at the moment.
 
 We greatly appreciate the preorders and I am committed to giving our 
 precustomers something truly special, such as prior access a month before 
 anyone else, or extra features; still to be determined, but definitely they 
 will have perks!
 
 Those who order above the base level will also be able to specify the 
 features important to them, and I will commit a corresponding amount of time 
 to those features.
 
 So, I encourage you to order during this phase and be one of our extra-cool 
 special customers! :)
 
 To reserve your copy of FieldTrip, click here:
 
 http://www.curryk.com/fieldtrip-preorder.html
 
 Thank you.
 
 Best wishes,
 
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 (Author of WordLib, WordReport, SpreadLib, etc. ...)
 
 
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Re: ANN: PreOrder FieldTrip (Features)

2012-06-21 Thread François Chaplais

Last but not the least, do you have a planned price for those who prefer to 
wait for this to get real? In other words, how much can one *expect* to gain by 
buying in advance? It can be a very good selling point.
cheers,
François
Le 21 juin 2012 à 21:57, Björnke von Gierke a écrit :

 I guess my questions where too general, so here some specifics. It's ok to 
 say no idea about that, it's too early of course :)
 
 How much is the minimal amount of the buttons at the top for desktop, in 
 pixels and in amount of buttons?
 
 Will there be buttons for usual file handling like open, save and print?
 
 Do you plan that people could make their own buttons and functionality for 
 the toolbar?
 
 Can the user add or remove buttons from the toolbar (like Word used to have 
 before the ribbon)?
 
 Will the toolbar be like old Word, or more like the modern Ribbon?
 
 Can I show and hide parts or all of the toolbar per script?
 
 Can the field still be used by my own code, for example for code coloring and 
 intendation?
 
 Still would prefer some screenshots.
 
 Will you be at the conference next week? Maybe you can simple show your stuff 
 to me there, and then I can decide :)
 
 On 21.06.2012, at 21:13, Curry Kenworthy wrote:
 


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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Roger Guay

Heaps of praise be unto Devin! It was a case mismatch that caused my problem. 
Interesting though that the answer there is a tSoundFIle command is still 
returning false??



On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:57 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Message: 12
 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:16:54 +
 From: Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Playing Sounds in iOS
 Message-ID: 992fa676-ef2c-4e3e-a097-d1f1260e8...@byu.edu
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 Roger,
 
 Maybe you've done this, but keep in mind that the iOS file system is case 
 sensitive, unlike the OS X file system. Could there be case mismatches in 
 your file paths and/or names?
 
 Devin
 


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Re: Somewhat OT: Windows Phone 8


Bob Sneidar wrote:

 I have said before, but it bears repeating, the thing that makes
 mobile devices appealing to use with a touch interface, is that
 the apps do not have nearly the functionality that a full blown
 laptop or workstation does, and therefore less things to touch.
 Using a touch interface in OS X or Windows will tire someone out
 in a hurry, if the task requires a lot of interaction.

 I think a touchair would be a mistake on Apple's part.

At one time I felt the same way.

Then I got the Asus Transformer.  It's well-named:  it totally 
transformed my expectations for touch devices.


As both a tablet and a netbook in a single device, it's become my 
favorite in both categories.


Months of much enjoyment with it later, now and then when I'm using my 
regular laptop I find myself touching the screen, only to be 
disappointed that I get no response.


Personally, I see a TouchAir as inevitable, every bit as much as the 
eventual merging of OS X and iOS into a single omni-device OS, much like 
Win8 and Ubuntu today.


As form factors continue to diversify, the capabilities of what is 
currently seen as two categories of devices will continue to overlap and 
merge, eventually reaching the point where such division will no longer 
have any meaning.


If Apple doesn't have a plan for this, they'll find themselves playing 
catch-up with wearables or whatever the next big form factor frenzy is.


But I suspect they already do.

In March they took out another patent related to wearables.

The future belongs to single-OS ecosystems, which are nimble, scalable, 
and adaptable across a wider range of devices than we see today.


The tablet is not the end of the road, but just a mid-point to 
increasing ubiquity of computing and the Internet


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Re: Linux: answer file always shows hidden files?

2012-06-21 Thread Warren Samples

On 06/21/2012 02:01 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richard Gaskin ambassador@... writes:

If any of you are using Linux it would be helpful to know which distro
and version, which desktop environment, and whether using the answer
file command shows hidden files in its listing.

After caffeine, I realize that the answer file dialog does indeed invoke the
File Manager, and so you're quite correct in that the File Manager preferences
should be respected. It is working as designed on Fedora 16/xfce spin, where the
hidden files are not shown if I disable them from the File Manager. Getting the
files does give the entire list, including the hidden files. So it appears that
Ubuntu is at fault here.

Like so many other things Linux, it may be a little more complicated
than that. Under KDE (on my system) the file selector used by Livecode
is not the default KDE one. Rather, it's the GTK one, which makes sense
and (some) other GTK apps, such as AbiWord use it as well. There is no
way I find to toggle the display of hidden files although they can be
found by toggling the search bar in the dialog and typing .. I
installed Thunar and setting its prefs to display hidden files has no
effect on this behavior.

The KDE file selector can be evoked from the shell, with arguments and
could be offered to KDE users of Livecode apps as a preference. ('if
there is a file /usr/bin/kdialog then give them a choice') This dialog
has a setting to toggle hidden files it operated independently of
Dolphin's settings, in my experiments. The shell call

'put shell(kdialog --getopenfilename .)'

returns three lines of sausage making and a fourth line that is the file
selected - again, on my system.

More info on 'kdialog' is here:

http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Shell_Scripting_with_KDE_Dialogs#File_Selection_Dialogs

It appears you can use many if not all these available dialogs within
Livecode using shell(), including the password dialog which returns the
value entered to Livecode. (This is the only other one I tried :D). The
only thing to keep in mind would be that the dialogs will lock up your
app until they are dismissed because of the blocking nature of the
shell() function.

Warren

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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Roger Guay

Thanks, Chris.

Au contraire, your posts are very clear and not the least confusing. 

Interesting though that the answer command that you suggested is still 
returning false. 

I'm finding that paying attention to the case sensitivity solved my and .wav 
files work in the IDE, the simulator and my iPad

Thanks to all who responded to my problem. I don't ordinarilly even think about 
case sensitivity!!

Cheers,
Roger


On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:57 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Message: 23
 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:48:08 -0600
 From: Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Playing Sounds in iOS
 Message-ID: 93e8fdec-befe-4cef-bbf5-058025dcd...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Roger,
 
 Try this. Open the Standalone Application Settings dialog. Click on Copy 
 Files. Look at your list of files and/or folders. Did you add files 
 individually? Did you add an entire folder of files? Check the paths of these 
 files/folders? Do these paths contain any subfolders relative to your stack 
 file? For example, if you added an entire folder containing sound files, it 
 might be listed as [some folder]/*. If you added individual files, they 
 might be listed as [some folder]/mySound.wav. If that's the case, you have 
 to include those folder names in your code when creating the path to the 
 files. Using the engine folder will not automatically add those sub folder 
 names. So that's the first thing to check.
 
 If that all looks good, make a slight mod to the answer command so that it's 
 answer tSoundFile. This way you can verify the path is what you expect it 
 to be. In the simulator, that path will be fairly long most likely. If that 
 path looks okay, then it may just be that the files are not compatible. Do 
 they play okay on your computer? Verify that it's a supported file type on 
 iOS using the list Jacque provided.
 
 Hopefully I'm being helpful and not just causing more confusion. Sometimes 
 I'm not very good at explaining things. Let me know if you still have 
 questions. Also, like Devin said, the iOS file system is case sensitive, 
 where the Mac OS file system may or may not be. So make sure file and folder 
 names in your code match case exactly as it is on disk. I've gotten bit by 
 that a few times.
 
 Chris


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Re: Table field

2012-06-21 Thread BNig

Hi Peter,

here is my take on the alternating Lines. It uses a graphic with a
fillgradient that is behind the non-opaque table field.
I made a demo stack:

berndniggemann.on-rev.com/alternatingLines/alternatingLines.livecode.zip

Kind regards

Bernd


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Re: ANN: PreOrder FieldTrip (31%)

2012-06-21 Thread Thomas McGrath III

Done, can't wait to see it in action.

-- Tom McGrath III
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On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Curry Kenworthy wrote:

 
 We're now almost a third of the way on funding the most essential features 
 for FieldTrip! My heartiest thanks to this wonderful community. That's 
 extremely encouraging.
 
 We still have the larger portion yet to be raised. This will be a powerful 
 text editing solution to bring out the best in any app that needs more than 
 plain text, and with a design equally suited to mobile and desktop! Please 
 preorder to pave the way and ensure that this rich text editor addon can be 
 available soon with the most useful features.
 
 To reserve your copy of FieldTrip, click here:
 
 http://www.curryk.com/fieldtrip-preorder.html
 
 Thank you.
 
 Best wishes,
 
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 (Author of WordLib, WordReport, SpreadLib, etc. ...)
 
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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Chris Sheffield

Glad it's working for you now.

Chris

On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Roger Guay i...@mac.com wrote:

 Thanks, Chris.
 
 Au contraire, your posts are very clear and not the least confusing. 
 
 Interesting though that the answer command that you suggested is still 
 returning false. 
 
 I'm finding that paying attention to the case sensitivity solved my and .wav 
 files work in the IDE, the simulator and my iPad
 
 Thanks to all who responded to my problem. I don't ordinarilly even think 
 about case sensitivity!!
 
 Cheers,
 Roger
 
 
 On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:57 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 Message: 23
 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:48:08 -0600
 From: Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@me.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Playing Sounds in iOS
 Message-ID: 93e8fdec-befe-4cef-bbf5-058025dcd...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
 
 Roger,
 
 Try this. Open the Standalone Application Settings dialog. Click on Copy 
 Files. Look at your list of files and/or folders. Did you add files 
 individually? Did you add an entire folder of files? Check the paths of 
 these files/folders? Do these paths contain any subfolders relative to your 
 stack file? For example, if you added an entire folder containing sound 
 files, it might be listed as [some folder]/*. If you added individual 
 files, they might be listed as [some folder]/mySound.wav. If that's the 
 case, you have to include those folder names in your code when creating the 
 path to the files. Using the engine folder will not automatically add 
 those sub folder names. So that's the first thing to check.
 
 If that all looks good, make a slight mod to the answer command so that it's 
 answer tSoundFile. This way you can verify the path is what you expect it 
 to be. In the simulator, that path will be fairly long most likely. If that 
 path looks okay, then it may just be that the files are not compatible. Do 
 they play okay on your computer? Verify that it's a supported file type on 
 iOS using the list Jacque provided.
 
 Hopefully I'm being helpful and not just causing more confusion. Sometimes 
 I'm not very good at explaining things. Let me know if you still have 
 questions. Also, like Devin said, the iOS file system is case sensitive, 
 where the Mac OS file system may or may not be. So make sure file and folder 
 names in your code match case exactly as it is on disk. I've gotten bit by 
 that a few times.
 
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Re: Playing Sounds in iOS

2012-06-21 Thread Peter M. Brigham

I think this ought to be answer there is a file tSoundFile -- does that work? 
May be moot now that you've solved your problem

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On Jun 21, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

 Interesting though that the answer there is a tSoundFIle command is still 
 returning false??


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Re: Table field

Thanks Bernd, that looks very nice.
Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com



On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM, BNig niggem...@uni-wh.de wrote:

 Hi Peter,

 here is my take on the alternating Lines. It uses a graphic with a
 fillgradient that is behind the non-opaque table field.
 I made a demo stack:

 berndniggemann.on-rev.com/alternatingLines/alternatingLines.livecode.zip

 Kind regards

 Bernd


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Re: LiveCode 5.5.1 Released

2012-06-21 Thread Ken Corey


Here, here.  I'd definitely vote for this.

I mean, it's *so* bloody close:

1) Drop a label on your app that's inactive so you can see it, but it 
doesn't block events.


2) Define an error handler that prints the error message to the label 
(and truncates the label at xx lines).


All of this is possible in the existing Livecode, it's just translating 
the gobbeldygook into english that's troublesome. I've got a permanent 
bookmark to http://runrev.info/error.html, and it's pathetic that a 
third party needs to support such a tool.


If it can be done in the IDE, why can't that code be a library that's 
loaded for debugging in the device, and not loaded for release?


-Ken



On 21/06/2012 22:22, Graham Samuel wrote:

Nice to see some progress, but when are we going to get some help
from the IDE on debugging for iOS? I find the put thing (writes to
the Console) pretty much a blunt instrument - or have others evolved
a more sophisticated debugging strategy? Before you suggest it, I
think I've got beyond testing in desktop mode just to as to be able
to trace the execution of my code, since most of the important stuff
relates directly to iOS. If I did try to prolong testing within the
LC IDE then I would have to rethink my code pretty drastically,
writing handlers that hide/simulate anything that can only be
executed in iOS. I just hope I don't have to rethink my code design
in this way for the next app - I really want to see debugging info
coming directly out of apps running on the iOS Simulator. I don't see
why the next version can't be engineered to (at least) trap execution
errors and output meaningful text about them to the console.

Ah well, next time??


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Re: ANN: PreOrder FieldTrip (Features)

2012-06-21 Thread Curry Kenworthy




Will you be at the conference next week? Maybe you can simple show your stuff 
to me there, and then I can decide :)



do you have a planned price for those who prefer to wait for this to get real?


Thanks Guys,

O ye of little faith. :)

Yes the price will be more later, and yes it just might hopefully make 
an appearance at a demonstration in the conference.


But I'm committed that preorder folks will absolutely be the first to 
get their own copy of this, possibly a few weeks before anyone else, so 
there won't be a demo to download for a while. It is indeed a preorder 
and believers will be rewarded with some perks!


To reserve your copy of FieldTrip, click here:

http://www.curryk.com/fieldtrip-preorder.html

Thank you.

Best wishes,

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Re: LiveCode 5.5.1 Released

2012-06-21 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 6/21/12 4:22 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

I find the put thing (writes to
the Console) pretty much a blunt instrument - or have others evolved
a more sophisticated debugging strategy?


Keep an eye on the conference session on debugging for mobile. :)

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Re: LiveCode 5.5.1 Released