Re: Learning about server

[John Craig]

Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone 
recently about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest 
there would be, but here is the current list of possible topics;


Basic .lc server scripts
Sessions
Basic logging in and out with sessions
SQL primer
Server scripts with MySQL
Logging in and out with a database
Web applications
User and group permissions
Javascript
AJAX
Web APIs
Push notifications: iOS/Android
Basic record versioning with AJAX


With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, 
delivery could be fun..



On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:

I would like to learn about server.

But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.

Dar Scott


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Re: Learning about server

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

I, for one, would buy it.
Especially Push notifications would be more than interesting.

Regards,

Matthias

Am 10.06.2014 um 11:56 schrieb John Craig :

> Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone 
> recently about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest there 
> would be, but here is the current list of possible topics;
> 
> Basic .lc server scripts
> Sessions
> Basic logging in and out with sessions
> SQL primer
> Server scripts with MySQL
> Logging in and out with a database
> Web applications
> User and group permissions
> Javascript
> AJAX
> Web APIs
> Push notifications: iOS/Android
> Basic record versioning with AJAX
> 
> 
> With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery 
> could be fun..
> 
> 
> On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I would like to learn about server.
>> 
>> But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Dave Kilroy]

Well we have books on general LC from Mark, on Mobile from Colin, and on
gaming-making from Scott - but we have a gaping hole for LC Server just
waiting for someone to fill! With at least two customers :)

Actually it just occurs to me that we have another gaping lacuna in LC
books, concerning communication (serial, USB etc) - feeling strong Dar?

Dave



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Re: Learning about server

[Marc Van Cauwenberghe]

Hi John,,
I would pre-order!

Best regards,
Marc

Op 10-jun.-2014, om 11:56 heeft John Craig  het volgende 
geschreven:

> Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone 
> recently about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest there 
> would be, but here is the current list of possible topics;
> 
> Basic .lc server scripts
> Sessions
> Basic logging in and out with sessions
> SQL primer
> Server scripts with MySQL
> Logging in and out with a database
> Web applications
> User and group permissions
> Javascript
> AJAX
> Web APIs
> Push notifications: iOS/Android
> Basic record versioning with AJAX
> 
> 
> With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery 
> could be fun..
> 
> 
> On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I would like to learn about server.
>> 
>> But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Simon Smith]

I have been working on a general guide on LC server - its been a great way
to figure out how everything works. There is a still a ton of stuff I would
like to still add ... but if its helps people in the interim I am happy to
share. I'll take a look when I am at home this evening and see if its a
state I share.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Dave Kilroy 
wrote:

> Well we have books on general LC from Mark, on Mobile from Colin, and on
> gaming-making from Scott - but we have a gaping hole for LC Server just
> waiting for someone to fill! With at least two customers :)
>
> Actually it just occurs to me that we have another gaping lacuna in LC
> books, concerning communication (serial, USB etc) - feeling strong Dar?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>
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Re: Learning about server

[rjd318]

Ditto! In for one on a server book =)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Marc Van Cauwenberghe 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,,
> I would pre-order!
> 
> Best regards,
> Marc
> 
>> Op 10-jun.-2014, om 11:56 heeft John Craig  het volgende 
>> geschreven:
>> 
>> Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone 
>> recently about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest 
>> there would be, but here is the current list of possible topics;
>> 
>> Basic .lc server scripts
>> Sessions
>> Basic logging in and out with sessions
>> SQL primer
>> Server scripts with MySQL
>> Logging in and out with a database
>> Web applications
>> User and group permissions
>> Javascript
>> AJAX
>> Web APIs
>> Push notifications: iOS/Android
>> Basic record versioning with AJAX
>> 
>> 
>> With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery 
>> could be fun..
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:
>>> I would like to learn about server.
>>> 
>>> But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.
>>> 
>>> Dar Scott
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Dar Scott]

My immediate need would not be a way to deliver web content, but just as a way 
to make a console application on Windows.  But, I can see the former in my 
future.

Dar


On Jun 10, 2014, at 3:56 AM, John Craig  wrote:

> Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone 
> recently about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest there 
> would be, but here is the current list of possible topics;
> 
> Basic .lc server scripts
> Sessions
> Basic logging in and out with sessions
> SQL primer
> Server scripts with MySQL
> Logging in and out with a database
> Web applications
> User and group permissions
> Javascript
> AJAX
> Web APIs
> Push notifications: iOS/Android
> Basic record versioning with AJAX
> 
> 
> With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery 
> could be fun..
> 
> 
> On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I would like to learn about server.
>> 
>> But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Dar Scott]

Thanks for the kind encouragement.  I am pondering this.

Dar


On Jun 10, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:

> Well we have books on general LC from Mark, on Mobile from Colin, and on
> gaming-making from Scott - but we have a gaping hole for LC Server just
> waiting for someone to fill! With at least two customers :)
> 
> Actually it just occurs to me that we have another gaping lacuna in LC
> books, concerning communication (serial, USB etc) - feeling strong Dar?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> 
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Help with hosed LC UI on Ubuntu

[Richard Gaskin]

I've been using LC on Ubuntu for years, and while there are a few 
details where it's not quite HIG-savvy it's generally been pretty good.


But I recently did a clean install of Ubuntu 14.04, and now LC 6.6.2 
looks horrible.



The Problem
---
This screen shot shows both LC and GEdit side by side, so we can see 
that the Ubuntu theme is reflected well in GEDit, but at the moment LC 
looks like merde, with:


- Menus and menu items with white text and no hilite (used to have
  orange hilite per the OS theme)

- Controls look bland, not using theme settings



Even the Save As dialog (not shown there) looks like the rest of LC's 
own controls, suggesting that somehow LC just isn't initializing support 
for the current theme, in a way that affects everything it touches.


I've checked the lookAndFeel property and it's not "Motif" but 
"Appearance Manager" as we would normally expect.


And on another machine here running Lubuntu 14.04, the same build of LC 
reflects the current theme just fine.


So I'm at a loss to explain how to fix this.   It seems to be specific 
to my Ubuntu install, but only affects LC.



What's Different

Historically, the only way I could get LC to run in any 64-bit Linux is 
to install ialibs-32, but as many of you know that's no longer supported 
by Ubuntu.


This post from Neil in the forums suggested a simpler alternative:


Namely:

sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386

So the difference with my current Ubuntu over previous installs is that 
I don't have ialibs-32 installed, but I have installed libgtk2.0.


FWIW, I've run LC with ldd and it appears that all library dependencies 
are being met.


LC runs (quite well actually in terms of functionality) but it's so 
darned ugly right now it's just not much fun.


And I'm guessing I'm not the only person seeing LC this way, which if 
true would be dismaying since I'd like LC to be something I'm proud to 
share with my Ubuntu friends.



Next Steps
--

1. Anyone here seen this with LC before?

2. Anyone here have suggestions on how to fix it?


Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer -

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Re: Learning about server

[Earthednet-wp]

Dar,
I'd definitely buy your book. Some of the things I would be interested in is 
how to create a reasonable looking ui, which will require html5, JavaScript,  
and css3. I've dabbled in all 3 of these but since I use them rarely, it's a 
pain to use them. It would be nice to have a prescription for how to create 
commonly used interface elements.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jun 10, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Dar Scott  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the kind encouragement.  I am pondering this.
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>> 
>> Well we have books on general LC from Mark, on Mobile from Colin, and on
>> gaming-making from Scott - but we have a gaping hole for LC Server just
>> waiting for someone to fill! With at least two customers :)
>> 
>> Actually it just occurs to me that we have another gaping lacuna in LC
>> books, concerning communication (serial, USB etc) - feeling strong Dar?
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
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>> them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi Simon

I remember you posted something about a server book a while ago - if it's
still on the cards I'll buy your book AND John's!

If you're not at that stage yet then I'm sure there would be a lot of
interest in anything you might want to share   - actually, even helping
produce up-to-date docs on how to install LC Server would be great :)

Kind regards



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Re: Learning about server

[Richard Gaskin]

Dar wrote:
> My immediate need would not be a way to deliver web content, but just
> as a way to make a console application on Windows.  But, I can see
> the former in my future.

There are so many useful and interesting things to do with LiveCode 
Server, and even standalones on servers, it's almost overwhelming.


These days a majority of the work I do is making client-server apps 
where LiveCode runs both sides.  I currently have only one site where LC 
is used to generate output for the Web - everything else is either APIs 
for other services, or the backend for LC-based clients used in 
workgroup settings.


Given the wide range of ways LC is useful on servers, with all due 
respect to the ambitions of those interested in writing a book on it, it 
would be a big one.


Last month I outlined my plans for the LiveCode Server Center, in the 
works for LiveCode Journal now that I finally put a CMS in place there 
(and of course the CMS is made with LiveCode, all the way down to the 
data store):



As I wrote then, I don't mean to discourage anyone from writing a book, 
and indeed there is likely a good audience for it.


But given the scope of what LC Server can do, and the many other aspects 
that come into play with using it well (the critical role of performance 
in the inherently-short CGI runtime lifecycle, how mod_rewrite works, 
SSH keys, bash, rsync, custom servers like looping CLI daemons and 
simpler GUI apps, REST API design, and more), it would be nice if there 
were also a community-driven effort to provide as much material as we 
can in a format that's as free and open as LiveCode itself.


That said, books also play a useful role in evangelizing LiveCode as a 
platform, esp. when they come from established publishers.   A good 
publisher can do wonders for reinforcing a strong image of LiveCode and 
its ever-expanding third-party ecosystem.  I have some contacts at 
publishers and would be happy to provide introductions if useful.


And the upside for book publishing is that with RunRev's newsletters 
having displaced much of the energy that used to go into LiveCode 
Journal, at this point LCJ is mostly a one-man show.  Being heavily 
booked with client commitments, devoting time to fleshing out what can 
go there has been challenging, and somewhat slow.


Still, I felt obliged to note what's coming with the LiveCode Server 
Center at LCJ (hopefully sooner than later), and to extend an invitation 
for anyone interested in sharing free learning materials to consider 
LiveCodeJournal.com as an available venue for community resources, not 
only for LiveCode Server but anything else you feel would be of interest 
to the community.


We have all the infrastructure Dreamhost provides, and plenty of disk 
space and bandwidth, all there for use by the LiveCode community.


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Re: Help with hosed LC UI on Ubuntu

[Mark Talluto]

On Jun 10, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> 1. Anyone here seen this with LC before?
> 
> 2. Anyone here have suggestions on how to fix it?


This is a view of 6.6.2 RC6 on my Mint installation via VMware Fusion.  
http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/mint%20linux.png

I get a little of topic below.

Ever since I changed over to Mint, I have been much happier with Linux.  This 
does not explain how to fix Ubuntu though.  But it is another justification of 
why I am not using Ubuntu for anything more than checking how things work.  
Lately I have been doing more server type work regarding Linux.  I want to use 
the standard LiveCode vs the server iteration of LiveCode.  

Getting the standard version of LiveCode to install on a headless server is a 
lot of work.  Each server is a unique Alice and Wonderland experience to get 
things working.  It is very important that LiveCode runs well on Linux.  The 
server world is all about Linux.  We need to elegantly be able to support 
running LiveCode on 64 bit, headless installations of Linux.  

Any work that the team can do to improve the look and compatibility issues we 
are facing would be much appreciated.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
CanelaSoftware.com
LiveCloud.io

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Re: Learning about server

[dunbarx]

I would pre- order two copies.


Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Marc Van Cauwenberghe 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Jun 10, 2014 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Learning about server


Hi John,,
I would pre-order!

Best regards,
Marc

Op 10-jun.-2014, om 11:56 heeft John Craig  het volgende 
geschreven:

> Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone 
> recently 
about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest there would be, 
but here is the current list of possible topics;
> 
> Basic .lc server scripts
> Sessions
> Basic logging in and out with sessions
> SQL primer
> Server scripts with MySQL
> Logging in and out with a database
> Web applications
> User and group permissions
> Javascript
> AJAX
> Web APIs
> Push notifications: iOS/Android
> Basic record versioning with AJAX
> 
> 
> With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery 
could be fun..
> 
> 
> On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I would like to learn about server.
>> 
>> But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
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Re: Help with hosed LC UI on Ubuntu

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Talluto wrote:

> This is a view of 6.6.2 RC6 on my Mint installation via VMware
> Fusion.
> http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/mint%20linux.png

Looks like you're getting theme adoption there, so that much is good.

And thankfully Hanson at RunRev confirmed my issue this morning, so at 
least it's not me:



Now that they have the issue reproduced, no doubt Fraser or Mark will be 
able to figure out how to handle the new UI libs for Ubuntu in 14.04 
(doesn't happen in earlier Ubuntu versions).



> It is very important that LiveCode runs well on Linux.  The server
> world is all about Linux.  We need to elegantly be able to support
> running LiveCode on 64 bit, headless installations of Linux.

And as important as it is for servers, there's enough of an audience 
using desktop Linux (far more than the number of Mac users when Steve 
Jobs returned to Apple) that an open source toolkit could do wonders in 
the many charter schools and other places where Linux is very widely used.



> Any work that the team can do to improve the look and compatibility
> issues we are facing would be much appreciated.

See my comment #8 at the bug report linked to above.

I've discussed this in my Community meetings with the team as well, and 
they see the value in using Linux themselves more in-house, but haven't 
yet felt comfortable taking on what will be initially a productivity hit.


For the others here who don't use Linux daily, let me clarify that the 
productivity hit is with using LiveCode on Linux, not with Linux itself.


Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, Blender - pretty much every multi-platform 
app is as graceful to use on Linux as it is on OS X and Windows.


But due to historical considerations, the LC Linux engine has been slow 
to adopt newer UI stuff on Linux, and in many cases this has left us 
with IDE limitations in areas where the engine was fixed long ago but 
the IDE not brought up to date to take advantage of it.


For example, imagine how tedious it would be if every click in LC's 
Tools palette had to be made twice.  On OS X and Windows we click only 
once because the raisePalettes is set to true by default, but on Linux 
raisePalettes it set to false (no, really) so we click once to bring the 
window forward and a second time to activate what we're clicking on.


A very long time ago there were issues with raisePalettes in some 
environments, but those apparently went away a long time ago.


If at least one person on the IDE team used Linux daily, all these 
little things would be seen and addressed.


Hopefully that'll happen soon.


--
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 Fourth World
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aligning text in columns

[Chris Sheffield]

Do we have the ability yet to set the text alignment for individual columns in 
a table field?

I have a very simple field with just two columns. I want the alignment of the 
first one to be left, and the second one to be right. A data grid is overkill, 
otherwise I’d go with that. I couldn’t remember if, with all the new field 
changes, that was added or not. I can’t seem to find any obvious properties, 
but I could be missing something.

Or would it be best to just use two separate fields for this?

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: aligning text in columns

[Richard Gaskin]

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> Do we have the ability yet to set the text alignment for individual
> columns in a table field?

My understanding is that the work has been done, and it will be in a new 
build of 7.0dp soon.


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Best approach to introduce students in programing to LC ?

[jbv]

Hi list,
Starting next september I might have the opportunity to give
a few hours of teaching at the local technology institute for
students in their 1st and 2nd year of learning techniques of
internet, multimedia and programming.
Of course the first idea that crossed my mind was to introduce
them to LC, as a recent discussion with some of their teachers
showed clearly that almost nobody there was aware of it, and
those who knew about LC haven't found the time to test it...
I might be wrong, but the best / most attractive approach seems
to be "code once deploy many"...
Do you guys have some suggestions about what the main
chapters of such a teaching should be ?
I'll also try to find the time to search the archives, as I'm sure
that topic has already been discussed...

Thanks
jbv


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Re: Learning about server

[Dave Kilroy]

Richard your LiveCode Server Center sounds
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!



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Re: Learning about server

[John Craig]

I wasn't thinking about writing "the big book of everything you can 
conceivably do with LiveCode Server"  :D
More like "The Hitchhiker's Guide To LiveCode Server"... with some 
suitably large, friendly message on the cover ...


I still buy books - I'd rather leaf through a hard copy after staring at 
a screen all day.  One of the first things I did after discovering 
Revolution was to search for books, and - sadly - there were none.



On 10/06/2014 16:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Dar wrote:
> My immediate need would not be a way to deliver web content, but just
> as a way to make a console application on Windows.  But, I can see
> the former in my future.

There are so many useful and interesting things to do with LiveCode 
Server, and even standalones on servers, it's almost overwhelming.


These days a majority of the work I do is making client-server apps 
where LiveCode runs both sides.  I currently have only one site where 
LC is used to generate output for the Web - everything else is either 
APIs for other services, or the backend for LC-based clients used in 
workgroup settings.


Given the wide range of ways LC is useful on servers, with all due 
respect to the ambitions of those interested in writing a book on it, 
it would be a big one.


Last month I outlined my plans for the LiveCode Server Center, in the 
works for LiveCode Journal now that I finally put a CMS in place there 
(and of course the CMS is made with LiveCode, all the way down to the 
data store):



As I wrote then, I don't mean to discourage anyone from writing a 
book, and indeed there is likely a good audience for it.


But given the scope of what LC Server can do, and the many other 
aspects that come into play with using it well (the critical role of 
performance in the inherently-short CGI runtime lifecycle, how 
mod_rewrite works, SSH keys, bash, rsync, custom servers like looping 
CLI daemons and simpler GUI apps, REST API design, and more), it would 
be nice if there were also a community-driven effort to provide as 
much material as we can in a format that's as free and open as 
LiveCode itself.


That said, books also play a useful role in evangelizing LiveCode as a 
platform, esp. when they come from established publishers. A good 
publisher can do wonders for reinforcing a strong image of LiveCode 
and its ever-expanding third-party ecosystem.  I have some contacts at 
publishers and would be happy to provide introductions if useful.


And the upside for book publishing is that with RunRev's newsletters 
having displaced much of the energy that used to go into LiveCode 
Journal, at this point LCJ is mostly a one-man show.  Being heavily 
booked with client commitments, devoting time to fleshing out what can 
go there has been challenging, and somewhat slow.


Still, I felt obliged to note what's coming with the LiveCode Server 
Center at LCJ (hopefully sooner than later), and to extend an 
invitation for anyone interested in sharing free learning materials to 
consider LiveCodeJournal.com as an available venue for community 
resources, not only for LiveCode Server but anything else you feel 
would be of interest to the community.


We have all the infrastructure Dreamhost provides, and plenty of disk 
space and bandwidth, all there for use by the LiveCode community.


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Re: Best approach to introduce students in programing to LC ?

[Richard Gaskin]

jbv wrote:

> Starting next september I might have the opportunity to give
> a few hours of teaching at the local technology institute
> for students in their 1st and 2nd year of learning techniques
> of internet, multimedia and programming.
> Of course the first idea that crossed my mind was to introduce
> them to LC, as a recent discussion with some of their teachers
> showed clearly that almost nobody there was aware of it, and
> those who knew about LC haven't found the time to test it...
> I might be wrong, but the best / most attractive approach seems
> to be "code once deploy many"...
> Do you guys have some suggestions about what the main
> chapters of such a teaching should be ?
> I'll also try to find the time to search the archives, as I'm
> sure that topic has already been discussed...

Email lists are good for many things, but preserving conversational 
threads isn't one of them.


Google doesn't bother indexing everything that happens here, so I've 
found GMane a better list archive search:



But this may be a case where the forums can be useful, with categorized 
conversations that include a section on LiveCode in Education, and a 
topic devoted exclusively to Teaching with LiveCode:



Every person I know who teaches and knows LiveCode readily grasps LC's 
relevance for a beginner's CS curriculum.  Squeak is outgrown too 
quickly, and Java takes too long before it becomes fun.  LC is the 
perfect fit in between - hopefully we can get some empowering exchanges 
happening in the LC EDU community to make this happen more now that LC 
is free and open.


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Re: aligning text in columns

[Chris Sheffield]

Thanks, Richard. Good to know.

On Jun 10, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> Chris Sheffield wrote:
> > Do we have the ability yet to set the text alignment for individual
> > columns in a table field?
> 
> My understanding is that the work has been done, and it will be in a new 
> build of 7.0dp soon.
> 
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> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Simon Smith]

Hi Richard

I would be happy to contribute to LCJ and it will be interesting to see
what you have setup.

Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would truly
be a labour of love :)

But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and
hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a bit on
the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.

Kind Regards
Simon

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Dar wrote:
> > My immediate need would not be a way to deliver web content, but just
> > as a way to make a console application on Windows.  But, I can see
> > the former in my future.
>
> There are so many useful and interesting things to do with LiveCode
> Server, and even standalones on servers, it's almost overwhelming.
>
> These days a majority of the work I do is making client-server apps where
> LiveCode runs both sides.  I currently have only one site where LC is used
> to generate output for the Web - everything else is either APIs for other
> services, or the backend for LC-based clients used in workgroup settings.
>
> Given the wide range of ways LC is useful on servers, with all due respect
> to the ambitions of those interested in writing a book on it, it would be a
> big one.
>
> Last month I outlined my plans for the LiveCode Server Center, in the
> works for LiveCode Journal now that I finally put a CMS in place there (and
> of course the CMS is made with LiveCode, all the way down to the data
> store):
> 
>
> As I wrote then, I don't mean to discourage anyone from writing a book,
> and indeed there is likely a good audience for it.
>
> But given the scope of what LC Server can do, and the many other aspects
> that come into play with using it well (the critical role of performance in
> the inherently-short CGI runtime lifecycle, how mod_rewrite works, SSH
> keys, bash, rsync, custom servers like looping CLI daemons and simpler GUI
> apps, REST API design, and more), it would be nice if there were also a
> community-driven effort to provide as much material as we can in a format
> that's as free and open as LiveCode itself.
>
> That said, books also play a useful role in evangelizing LiveCode as a
> platform, esp. when they come from established publishers.   A good
> publisher can do wonders for reinforcing a strong image of LiveCode and its
> ever-expanding third-party ecosystem.  I have some contacts at publishers
> and would be happy to provide introductions if useful.
>
> And the upside for book publishing is that with RunRev's newsletters
> having displaced much of the energy that used to go into LiveCode Journal,
> at this point LCJ is mostly a one-man show.  Being heavily booked with
> client commitments, devoting time to fleshing out what can go there has
> been challenging, and somewhat slow.
>
> Still, I felt obliged to note what's coming with the LiveCode Server
> Center at LCJ (hopefully sooner than later), and to extend an invitation
> for anyone interested in sharing free learning materials to consider
> LiveCodeJournal.com as an available venue for community resources, not only
> for LiveCode Server but anything else you feel would be of interest to the
> community.
>
> We have all the infrastructure Dreamhost provides, and plenty of disk
> space and bandwidth, all there for use by the LiveCode community.
>
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>   LiveCode Community Manager
>   rich...@livecode.org
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Re: Learning about server

[John Craig]

Maybe we should all have a hangout some time and chew over a few ideas?


On 10/06/2014 17:28, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

I would pre- order two copies.


Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Marc Van Cauwenberghe 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Jun 10, 2014 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Learning about server


Hi John,,
I would pre-order!

Best regards,
Marc

Op 10-jun.-2014, om 11:56 heeft John Craig  het volgende
geschreven:


Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone recently

about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest there would be,
but here is the current list of possible topics;

Basic .lc server scripts
Sessions
Basic logging in and out with sessions
SQL primer
Server scripts with MySQL
Logging in and out with a database
Web applications
User and group permissions
Javascript
AJAX
Web APIs
Push notifications: iOS/Android
Basic record versioning with AJAX


With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery

could be fun..


On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:

I would like to learn about server.

But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.

Dar Scott


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Re: Learning about server

[Simon Smith]

I'm game :)


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:03 PM, John Craig  wrote:

> Maybe we should all have a hangout some time and chew over a few ideas?
>
>
>
> On 10/06/2014 17:28, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I would pre- order two copies.
>>
>>
>> Craig Newman
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marc Van Cauwenberghe 
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 10, 2014 9:01 am
>> Subject: Re: Learning about server
>>
>>
>> Hi John,,
>> I would pre-order!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Marc
>>
>> Op 10-jun.-2014, om 11:56 heeft John Craig  het
>> volgende
>> geschreven:
>>
>>  Any areas in particular that interest you?  I was speaking to someone
>>> recently
>>>
>> about writing a book on LC server - not sure how much interest there
>> would be,
>> but here is the current list of possible topics;
>>
>>> Basic .lc server scripts
>>> Sessions
>>> Basic logging in and out with sessions
>>> SQL primer
>>> Server scripts with MySQL
>>> Logging in and out with a database
>>> Web applications
>>> User and group permissions
>>> Javascript
>>> AJAX
>>> Web APIs
>>> Push notifications: iOS/Android
>>> Basic record versioning with AJAX
>>>
>>>
>>> With hangouts / skype and all the other wonders of the interweb, delivery
>>>
>> could be fun..
>>
>>>
>>> On 10/06/2014 04:00, Dar Scott wrote:
>>>
 I would like to learn about server.

 But, as Frodo would way, I don’t know the way.

 Dar Scott


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Re: Learning about server

[Richard Gaskin]

Simon Smith wrote:


Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would truly
be a labour of love :)


It would indeed.  I've known enough people in the book business that I 
stay with software. :)



But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and
hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a bit on
the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.


Nice, Simon!  I hadn't come across that before - well done.

I just sent that URL to Heather to forward to the Web team so it can be 
added to the Resources page at LiveCode.com.  Hopefully we'll see it 
linked there soon - good resource, thanks for putting that together.


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Re: Running an LC app from the command line

[Ben Rubinstein]

On 05/06/2014 17:46, Mark Talluto wrote:

On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Peter Haworth  wrote:


Thanks everyone.  SOunds like hiding and positioning off screen is the way
to go, particularly since I need this to work on Windows as well as Mac and
I think -ui is Mac only (and possibly Linux?)


You can always just set the vis of the stack to false and leave it where you 
like.


FWIW, I have an app which runs fine as standalone or CLI, on Mac Windows and 
Linux.  Originally developed for the former, it took quite a bit of work to 
get it stable CLI.


When it starts up, it hides the main stack if it's in CLI mode; and also needs 
to check in various places if it is in CLI mode to avoid performing other 
graphic operations, which would indeed lead to an early and immediate exit. 
Also - it may be obvious! - to ensure that when unusual things happen which 
would normally throw up a dialog box, they instead write something to the console.


The code to check if it's in CLI mode used to just check "the environment" - 
but a note in my code records that this ceased to return the correct value 
sometime between version 3.5 and 4.6 (I haven't checked if it's been fixed 
since).  It now checks the environment (= "command line"?), the windowID of 
the main stack (= 1?) and finally $1 ( = "headless" ?) and if any of those are 
true considers that it must be in CLI mode.  It's so long ago that I don't 
recall, but I assume that the last of these tests was a desperation move 
allowing me to force it into that mode.


Ben

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Re: Learning about server

[Simon Smith]

Thanks, much appreciated.

Only put it live a few minutes ago, there is no time like the present and
if I don't do it now - then I probably never will. It is also a great
motivation to work on it and try to complete everything that is missing.

Simon


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Simon Smith wrote:
>
>  Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
>> certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would truly
>> be a labour of love :)
>>
>
> It would indeed.  I've known enough people in the book business that I
> stay with software. :)
>
>
>  But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
>> http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and
>> hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a bit
>> on
>> the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.
>>
>
> Nice, Simon!  I hadn't come across that before - well done.
>
> I just sent that URL to Heather to forward to the Web team so it can be
> added to the Resources page at LiveCode.com.  Hopefully we'll see it linked
> there soon - good resource, thanks for putting that together.
>
>
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[OT] Remember Be?

[Scott Rossi]

There's a woman speaking at a local CHI event here tonight whose UX career
started at Be, Inc.  If you don't remember Be, it was an alternative
operating system and hardware platform started in the early 90s, by ex
Apple exec Jean-Louis Gassée.  Be eventually became one of the options
considered to replace Apple's OS at the time (Next was the other option).

Reading up on the Be's fate on Wikipedia, this tidbit on Be's name was
mentioned:

"According to several sources including Macworld UK, the company name "Be"
had its origin in a conversation between Gassée and Be co-founder Steve
Sakoman. Gassée originally thought the company should be called "United
Technoids Inc.", but Sakoman disagreed and said he would start looking
through the dictionary for a better name. A few days later, when Gassée
asked if he had made any progress, Sakoman replied that he had got tired
and stopped at "B." Gassée said, "Be is nice. End of story."


:-)

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Re: Learning about server

[Scott Rossi]

Bookmarked :-)  Thanks for this.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 6/10/14 12:49 PM, "Simon Smith"  wrote:

>Thanks, much appreciated.
>
>Only put it live a few minutes ago, there is no time like the present and
>if I don't do it now - then I probably never will. It is also a great
>motivation to work on it and try to complete everything that is missing.
>
>Simon
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin
>
>wrote:
>
>> Simon Smith wrote:
>>
>>  Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
>>> certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would
>>>truly
>>> be a labour of love :)
>>>
>>
>> It would indeed.  I've known enough people in the book business that I
>> stay with software. :)
>>
>>
>>  But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
>>> http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and
>>> hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a
>>>bit
>>> on
>>> the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.
>>>
>>
>> Nice, Simon!  I hadn't come across that before - well done.
>>
>> I just sent that URL to Heather to forward to the Web team so it can be
>> added to the Resources page at LiveCode.com.  Hopefully we'll see it
>>linked
>> there soon - good resource, thanks for putting that together.
>>
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   LiveCode Community Manager
>>   rich...@livecode.org



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Re: Learning about server

[William Prothero]

Simon:
Re the server installation, one thing that worries me is the server load. As a 
cgi, the livecode app needs to be loaded for every call, AFAIK, and would 
demand a lot from the server. It seemed that the installation where it is 
integrated into the Apache configuration would be best, but I was worried that 
I would screw up the other configuration items. like the php and sql 
configuration directives. So, I installed it, for test purposes, as a cgi.

This issue should be addressed in installation tutorials. FYI, I have a VPS 
hosted by liquidweb, which has fantastic customer support and reliability.

Bill


On Jun 10, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> Bookmarked :-)  Thanks for this.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/10/14 12:49 PM, "Simon Smith"  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, much appreciated.
>> 
>> Only put it live a few minutes ago, there is no time like the present and
>> if I don't do it now - then I probably never will. It is also a great
>> motivation to work on it and try to complete everything that is missing.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Simon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>> Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
 certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would
 truly
 be a labour of love :)
 
>>> 
>>> It would indeed.  I've known enough people in the book business that I
>>> stay with software. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
 http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and
 hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a
 bit
 on
 the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.
 
>>> 
>>> Nice, Simon!  I hadn't come across that before - well done.
>>> 
>>> I just sent that URL to Heather to forward to the Web team so it can be
>>> added to the Resources page at LiveCode.com.  Hopefully we'll see it
>>> linked
>>> there soon - good resource, thanks for putting that together.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  LiveCode Community Manager
>>>  rich...@livecode.org
> 
> 
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Re: Learning about server

[Simon Smith]

Hi William

It will live quiet happily with php and mysql and should not cause any
problems.

I remember reading (think it was a forum post Richard commented on) where
there was a question re: cgi vs fast cgi (with fast cgi there is only a
single process so it speeds up execution) He mentioned the disadvantages of
running Fast CGI - if there is a problem and the process gets blocked, it
can kill it for everything on the server, where the LiveCode CGI is pretty
small and executes very quickly and should handle a relatively large load.

I am not certain if there are plans to port LiveCode Server to fast cgi.

I have not come across any benchmarks comparing LCServer to the likes of
php - that would be an interesting experiment to see what the capabilities
of it is.

Something I want to look at (not had a chance yet) is to setup a vps
running the hiawatha webserver (hiawatha-webserver.org). It is smaller than
apache and should run faster as its designed for older servers. That
combined with something like maria db instead of mysql should let you get
quiet a bit out of a small server.

Kind regards
Simon


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:21 PM, William Prothero 
wrote:

> Simon:
> Re the server installation, one thing that worries me is the server load.
> As a cgi, the livecode app needs to be loaded for every call, AFAIK, and
> would demand a lot from the server. It seemed that the installation where
> it is integrated into the Apache configuration would be best, but I was
> worried that I would screw up the other configuration items. like the php
> and sql configuration directives. So, I installed it, for test purposes, as
> a cgi.
>
> This issue should be addressed in installation tutorials. FYI, I have a
> VPS hosted by liquidweb, which has fantastic customer support and
> reliability.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
>
> > Bookmarked :-)  Thanks for this.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott Rossi
> > Creative Director
> > Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/10/14 12:49 PM, "Simon Smith"  wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Only put it live a few minutes ago, there is no time like the present
> and
> >> if I don't do it now - then I probably never will. It is also a great
> >> motivation to work on it and try to complete everything that is missing.
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Simon Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
>  certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would
>  truly
>  be a labour of love :)
> 
> >>>
> >>> It would indeed.  I've known enough people in the book business that I
> >>> stay with software. :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
>  http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and
>  hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a
>  bit
>  on
>  the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Nice, Simon!  I hadn't come across that before - well done.
> >>>
> >>> I just sent that URL to Heather to forward to the Web team so it can be
> >>> added to the Resources page at LiveCode.com.  Hopefully we'll see it
> >>> linked
> >>> there soon - good resource, thanks for putting that together.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>  Richard Gaskin
> >>>  LiveCode Community Manager
> >>>  rich...@livecode.org
> >
> >
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Re: Best approach to introduce students in programing to LC ?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi JBV,

I could imagine that first-year students have no or almost no experience 
with programming. They might need to get acquainted with concepts such 
as abstract thinking, logic, recursion and perhaps GUI design. 
Additionally, they will need to learn elementary syntax, and how to use 
variables and other containers.


Not very long ago, I announced that I'm working on a new book. While my 
current book might be useful --specifically for second-year students-- 
the new book is probably more suitable for your first-year students. 
This new book will deal with all basic concepts mentioned in the above 
and leave out all advanced subjects, which a teacher could still add to 
the course as a bonus.


I'm looking for people who want to review this book and you might want 
to join. Perhaps we can arrange something, so you'll be able to use it 
in September.


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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

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On 6/10/2014 20:24, j...@souslelogo.com wrote:

Hi list,
Starting next september I might have the opportunity to give
a few hours of teaching at the local technology institute for
students in their 1st and 2nd year of learning techniques of
internet, multimedia and programming.
Of course the first idea that crossed my mind was to introduce
them to LC, as a recent discussion with some of their teachers
showed clearly that almost nobody there was aware of it, and
those who knew about LC haven't found the time to test it...
I might be wrong, but the best / most attractive approach seems
to be "code once deploy many"...
Do you guys have some suggestions about what the main
chapters of such a teaching should be ?
I'll also try to find the time to search the archives, as I'm sure
that topic has already been discussed...

Thanks
jbv



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RE: Learning about server

[Nakia Brewer]

This is good!



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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Rossi
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2014 6:13 AM
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Subject: Re: Learning about server

Bookmarked :-)  Thanks for this.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 6/10/14 12:49 PM, "Simon Smith"  wrote:

>Thanks, much appreciated.
>
>Only put it live a few minutes ago, there is no time like the present 
>and if I don't do it now - then I probably never will. It is also a 
>great motivation to work on it and try to complete everything that is missing.
>
>Simon
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin 
>
>wrote:
>
>> Simon Smith wrote:
>>
>>  Writing a book would be a mammoth task - and I for one, would not be
>>> certain just how large a target market there would be, so they would 
>>>truly  be a labour of love :)
>>>
>>
>> It would indeed.  I've known enough people in the book business that 
>> I stay with software. :)
>>
>>
>>  But for now - this is something I have been dabbling with,
>>> http://activethought.net/livecode-server/ its far from complete and  
>>>hopefully not to many errors and spelling mistakes. It is probably a 
>>>bit  on  the simple side - but if it helps one person, then I would 
>>>be happy.
>>>
>>
>> Nice, Simon!  I hadn't come across that before - well done.
>>
>> I just sent that URL to Heather to forward to the Web team so it can 
>>be  added to the Resources page at LiveCode.com.  Hopefully we'll see 
>>it linked  there soon - good resource, thanks for putting that 
>>together.
>>
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   LiveCode Community Manager
>>   rich...@livecode.org



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[ANN] More info about the LC meeting in Switzerland

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi everyone,

On Saturday, 28th June 2014, Björnke von Gierke and Mark Schonewille 
will organise a LiveCode meeting. On this day, we'll welcome you at the 
Zentrum Karl der Grosse (Charles the Great Centre) in Zurich, 
Switzerland. We can now provide you with a little more info about the 
meeting.



*Agenda*

While the agenda for the meeting hasn't been decided on, we can already 
mention a few items that are likely to be included:


1) Opening at 13:00h.

2) A discussion about the question why LiveCode "doesn't catch on", or 
why people "don't get it".


3) A raffle with great prizes, including a SuperCard license, a copy of 
the book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner, a Charts Engine 
license, an Animation Engine license and more.


4) We will have a goodie bag (or envelope) containing a coupon code for 
a 30% discount on a LiveCode license and a 50% discount in Installer 
Maker. We are still looking for more items in the goodie bag; let us 
know if you want to add something.


5) Closing at 17:00h.

6) Dinner on the premises at 18:00h.

There is plenty of time left in our schedule and we invite you to send 
in proposals for discussion topics and presentations. If you have been 
struggling with a question for a long time, you can ask the attendants 
for an answer; if you have a cool trick, you can show us; if you have a 
product to announce, you can give a demonstration; etc. Obviously, you 
can also just attend the meeting.



*Registration and participation*

Because there is limited space on the premises where we hire a 
conference room, we would like you to register as soon as possible by 
sending an e-mail to Björnke at b...@mac.com .


While entry is free, you'll need to bring sufficient cash for drinks and 
dinner. We will provide coffee and tea. The hotel will be at your own 
expense. We can recommend a hotel on request.



*Important info:*

Meeting: Saturday 28 June 2014, from 13:00 to 17:00h.
Dinner: Saturday 28 June 2014, from 18:00h.

Address:
Zentrum Karl der Grosse
Kirchgasse 14
8001 Zürich
Map: https://goo.gl/maps/BqqKz
Picture of conference room: http://i.imgur.com/r6KlUeD.jpg


*Current sponsors/products*

RunRev  
http://www.livecode.com

SuperCard   
http://www.supercard.us

Animation Engine
https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/animation-engine-5/

Charts Engine   
https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/charts-engine-1-2-1/

Installer Maker 
http://rrinstallermaker.economy-x-talk.com

Programming LiveCode... 
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com/

Datagrid Helper
http://www.aslugontheroad.com/ourproducts/2-what-is-dgh

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Re: Learning about server

[Kay C Lan]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Simon Smith  wrote:
 but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.

Well it helped me, so please be happy.

Now to make you sad. I'm surprised that security didn't make a mention
in John's lists of topics, nor is it an obvious link on your page. I
know there are many posts on this list that cover the topic and
there's probably a books worth of detail on this one subject alone,
but it would be really nice if, when you cross that bridge, you were
to add a Hitch Hiker's Guide on how to keep data private as it travels
back and forth between LC standalones and LC Server. For me, once I've
got past step one of the installation of LC Server the very next
hurdle would be to keep all comms secure, or which comms do I need to
keep secure and which ones I need not waste time worrying about.

But again, thanks for the link!

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Re: Learning about server

[Simon Smith]

Thanks Kay :)

I would love to look at the security side of things sometime - it seems to
be something a lot of developers take less seriously now days. One of the
things I like about LiveCode is how easy it makes it to work with
encryption.

LiveCode has added support for Open SSL & encryption support for iOS and
Android - so that would be the place to start.

Simon


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Kay C Lan  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Simon Smith  wrote:
>  but if it helps one person, then I would be happy.
>
> Well it helped me, so please be happy.
>
> Now to make you sad. I'm surprised that security didn't make a mention
> in John's lists of topics, nor is it an obvious link on your page. I
> know there are many posts on this list that cover the topic and
> there's probably a books worth of detail on this one subject alone,
> but it would be really nice if, when you cross that bridge, you were
> to add a Hitch Hiker's Guide on how to keep data private as it travels
> back and forth between LC standalones and LC Server. For me, once I've
> got past step one of the installation of LC Server the very next
> hurdle would be to keep all comms secure, or which comms do I need to
> keep secure and which ones I need not waste time worrying about.
>
> But again, thanks for the link!
>
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Re: Best approach to introduce students in programing to LC ?

[jbv]

Mark,
Thanks for the offer, I will be glad to review your new book.
Although I think you might be somewhat wrong about those students' needs.
These people are 18 to 20 years old and have already been exposed to the
basic concepts of coding in highschool or are self-educated on these matters.
Furthermore, they'll have other teachers talking about css, js, php, java and
other similar stuff. IOW they don't need me to introduce them to coding
through
LC; the question is rather : how could I use LC to put a few things in
perspective
and introduce them to other options... Those few hours of teaching should
rather
be viewed as an add-on that the regular teachers will accept to include in
the
regular program because it brings useful content...
I hope I'm making myself clear enough.

Best,
jbv

> Hi JBV,
>
> I could imagine that first-year students have no or almost no experience
> with programming. They might need to get acquainted with concepts such
> as abstract thinking, logic, recursion and perhaps GUI design.
> Additionally, they will need to learn elementary syntax, and how to use
> variables and other containers.
>
> Not very long ago, I announced that I'm working on a new book. While my
> current book might be useful --specifically for second-year students--
> the new book is probably more suitable for your first-year students.
> This new book will deal with all basic concepts mentioned in the above
> and leave out all advanced subjects, which a teacher could still add to
> the course as a bonus.
>
> I'm looking for people who want to review this book and you might want
> to join. Perhaps we can arrange something, so you'll be able to use it
> in September.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 6/10/2014 20:24, j...@souslelogo.com wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> Starting next september I might have the opportunity to give
>> a few hours of teaching at the local technology institute for
>> students in their 1st and 2nd year of learning techniques of
>> internet, multimedia and programming.
>> Of course the first idea that crossed my mind was to introduce
>> them to LC, as a recent discussion with some of their teachers
>> showed clearly that almost nobody there was aware of it, and
>> those who knew about LC haven't found the time to test it...
>> I might be wrong, but the best / most attractive approach seems
>> to be "code once deploy many"...
>> Do you guys have some suggestions about what the main
>> chapters of such a teaching should be ?
>> I'll also try to find the time to search the archives, as I'm sure
>> that topic has already been discussed...
>>
>> Thanks
>> jbv
>>
>
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Re: [OT] Remember Be?

[jbv]

Yep, I do remember Be.
AFAIR it could be installed on Macintosh clones made by other
manufactors back then... They had a very specific icons design
and there was a kind of freeware that could be installed on
Mac OS to make the GUI look like Be...

Best,
jbv


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