Re: OT: Hosting providers

[AndyP]

Yep, day 3 and no update. Just sent another request for an update on the
situation.

I also suggested that LiveCode should put into up on their server status
page.
http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/

No sites, no email, no information  poor show LiveCode !



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Re: Status of on-rev restore?

[Pierre Sahores]

Heather and David are, more than ever, on the bridge and I still hope they will 
agree for a Sunday's afternoon break …

> Le 3 mai 2015 à 03:20, Bruce Pokras  a écrit :
> 
> I spoke to Heather. The problem was not individualized. It was the entire 
> Pancake array.
> 
>> On May 2, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, Andy maybe go back to on-rev.com and make another urgent report? It may
>> be that Heather and David think there are no more bad accounts...
>> 
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Re: Status of on-rev restore?

[Pierre Sahores]

http://mergext.com/ is back to service. Hour after hour...

> Le 3 mai 2015 à 03:20, Bruce Pokras  a écrit :
> 
> I spoke to Heather. The problem was not individualized. It was the entire 
> Pancake array.
> 
>> On May 2, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, Andy maybe go back to on-rev.com and make another urgent report? It may
>> be that Heather and David think there are no more bad accounts...
>> 
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Re: documentation for open socket using certificate and key, sccept only ssl

[Mark Waddingham]

In a similar vein, is there any way to make "open socket" only accept
secure connections?  My workaround is to have the client send a message 
to

authenticate, and the server on connection uses "send in" to kill the
socket if this hasn't happened within a timeout period.


Using 'open socket' just creates a basic TCP/IP socket stream which is 
unencrypted. When you use 'open secure socket' it creates both the basic 
stream and then wraps it in the SSL/TLS protocol which is encrypted.


As the 'secure' layer is a protocol layered on top of the basic byte 
stream, it requires both sides to be talking the 'secure' protocol - in 
particular, there is a handshake at the start that must happen to 
establish the initial (symmetric) encryption keys, then these are 
refreshed periodically throughout the transaction period. In short, if 
you attempt to open a non-secure connection to a secured socket the 
connection will not occur and you will get an error. i.e. 'secure 
sockets' will only talk to other other 'secure sockets'.


I think this is the behavior you are looking for, so you shouldn't need 
to do anything to manage secure / insecure mixes - if someone attempts 
to connect to your server socket in a non-secure fashion, then the 
server won't understand what the client is trying to do and the 
connection will error.


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Re: documentation for open socket using certificate and key, sccept only ssl

[Mark Waddingham]

On 2015-05-03 01:31, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Wieder  
wrote:



Try 'secure socket' rather than 'open socket' (v6.6 and above)



According to the dictionary in 7.0.4, secure socket is used after the
socket is opened.

It also causes a sudden crash of livecode itself when attempting to 
execute

. . .

now  bug 15314 


The 'secure' socket syntax was added to support SSL over HTTP proxies 
which require an unencrypted stream to become a secure stream at a 
specific point. (This method essentially means, even over a proxy, any 
SSL stream is still between the two end-points, the proxy in the middle 
just becomes a transport for the encrypted data on which it cannot 
introspect).


It looks like you've hit a use-case which hasn't been tested - the proxy 
case is always the client calling 'secure socket' (as the server - the 
proxy - controls when it expects the SSL protocol to start). The example 
you've posted won't work, as the both sides need to 'secure' at the same 
time in the byte-stream - but it shouldn't crash :)


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DataGrid text colour when editing

[Terence Heaford]

I have just created a DataGrid which allows editing of cells.

When I double click on a cell to edit it’s contents the colour of the text is 
light grey when editing.

How do I change this colour please?


All the best

Terry



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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[Dave Kilroy]

Alex on Friday I opened an account with www.host.com (who have been
recommended by others on on this list, apart from anything else because they
have LiveCode Server preinstalled) - and within about 30 minutes I had
bought a domain and set it up with a stock installation of revigniter.

So far everything seems to be good and I'm happy with them (so far) - and
think I'll start migrating stuff to them in the by-and-by...

Kind regards

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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[Dave Kilroy]

...meant to say...

David and Heather temporarily moved me over to 'jasmine' but I got an email
from them today to day they are in the process of moving me to 'sage' (their
new replacement for pancake I guess). Both of them have been working like
trojans and deserve our thanks

I, like you Alex bought a founders package, and I like you am reluctant to
move away - but I can no longer justify having 'all my eggs in the on-rev
basket' (if you know what I mean)



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Re: LiveCode forums down today?

[Dave Kilroy]

forum is back up...



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Re: LiveCode forums down today?

[Simon]

And Pancake is back up... hmmm.

Simon



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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[Scott Rossi]

Hi Dave:

Maybe you meant to write hostm.com?  Host.com appears to be a squatting (for 
sale) domain.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design

> On May 3, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
> 
> Alex on Friday I opened an account with www.host.com (who have been
> recommended by others on on this list, apart from anything else because they
> have LiveCode Server preinstalled) - and within about 30 minutes I had
> bought a domain and set it up with a stock installation of revigniter.
> 
> So far everything seems to be good and I'm happy with them (so far) - and
> think I'll start migrating stuff to them in the by-and-by...
> 
> Kind regards
> 
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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi Scott - oops! 

Yes you are right (my fingers were typing faster than my brain could think)



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Re: LiveCode forums down today?

[Dave Kilroy]

Can you confirm it's pancake? They moved all my stuff temporarily to jasmine
and then I got an email today to say I was being moved to 'sage' (I had
heard they were buying a new server and guessed sage was pancake's
replacement - but maybe they just got an extra server to help with the load
[which would be a good idea] and have patched up pancake...



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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[Mike Doub]

I use hostm and would recommend them.  Great customer service 
-= Mike 








On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:41 AM -0700, "Scott Rossi"  
wrote:










Hi Dave:

Maybe you meant to write hostm.com?  Host.com appears to be a squatting (for 
sale) domain.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design

> On May 3, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
> 
> Alex on Friday I opened an account with www.host.com (who have been
> recommended by others on on this list, apart from anything else because they
> have LiveCode Server preinstalled) - and within about 30 minutes I had
> bought a domain and set it up with a stock installation of revigniter.
> 
> So far everything seems to be good and I'm happy with them (so far) - and
> think I'll start migrating stuff to them in the by-and-by...
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I used to use Dreamhost and was happy enough with them. Are there
> still issues with using Livecode server on dreamhost (shared hosting)
> accounts ?

Unfortunately, yes.

Under Dreamhost's current configuration LiveCode 7.0.x 64-bit is both 
required and also runs unusually slowly, taking a couple seconds for 
scripts that used to take a fraction of a second.   Previous DH configs 
were lightning fast, and testing the same scripts with LiveCode 7 on 
other shared hosting services also performs well, so this seems to be an 
issue not with LiveCode 7 nor with Ubuntu, but with something specific 
to DH's current setup.


Phil Davis and I have been working with a senior support rep at 
Dreamhost to try to pin down the cause, and while they've had some 
success getting at least one server to perform as fast as their earlier 
configs, they've not yet been able to find the specifics to replicate 
that success across the server farm.


Our diagnostic efforts with them are still ongoing, so while I think 
Dreamhost is a great company and would highly recommend them for 
traditional LAMP sites, if you need to use LiveCode (and possibly other 
less common CGI engines) I can't recommend Dreamhost until this issue is 
resolved.


They recently had a meeting with several engineers to explore this 
issue.  Fingers crossed that we'll hear back from them soon.



> Or is there another provider you'd recommend for low-priced web
> hosting ?

Over the years I've found it helps me sleep at night to split my web 
sites among multiple hosting companies.  I recently dropped one because 
they don't offer shell access (needed or serious work, IMO), and 
currently have two I work with daily.


In addition to Dreamhost (momentarily hampered for LC work) I have both 
shared hosting and a VPS at InterServer:


Shared Hosting @ >$5/mo


VPS @ $6/mo w/ 1 GB RAM, 25 GB HDD, 1 TB xfer


I don't need support from them often, but when I do their response time 
has been usually well under an hour, sometimes just a few minutes.


They don't have LC pre-installed, but that takes only a couple minutes 
anyway so that doesn't really matter much.  If any of you have any 
trouble setting up LiveCode on any commercial hosting service, drop a 
note here and we'll work it out to get you up and running quickly.


I'm also bringing a new VPS online for testing soon with a Los 
Angeles-based company, ChunkHost, which offers exclusively SSD storage 
for just $5/mo w/ 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, 4 TB xfer:




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recommend a service I don't honestly believe in, and the few referral 
fees that come in help offset my expenses in providing support for 
LiveCode on such hosting services here, in the forums, and elsewhere.


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Re: LC7 arrayEncode/Decode

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:

> I haven't come across that yet but probably because I base64 encode
> the array as well as array encode it and don't write to the file in
> binary mode.

Base64 might be useful for network transfer, but for local storage just 
reading/writing in binary mode will be simpler, faster, and result in a 
much smaller file.


> Which raises another question.  I'm converting the app to 7.0 to be
> unicode compliant.  The data in the array will have been textDecoded
> format. Do I need to textEncode it before base64/arrayencoding it?

LC 7's native array format accounts for Unicode.  It can also encode for 
earlier versions with an optional second argument to the arrayEncode 
function to specify the desired output version (e.g. "6.7").


When decoding arrays, LC 7 automatically detects the version from the 
data and uses the appropriate format, so we don't need to specify a form 
for arrayDecode.


Two tips for encoded arrays:

1. When writing code that needs to be compatible with both v6.7 and 7.0, 
the optional argument with arrayEncode does not throw an error in v6.7. 
 Of course that version can only write in the older format so that 
argument is effectively just ignored, but by not throwing an error you 
can move code back and forth between the two versions without having to 
resort to funky "do" commands.


2. The first byte of an old-format encoded array is numToByte(5), and 
the newer format uses numToByte(6).  It's rare that you'd need to know 
the version of an encoded array, but if you do you can determine it by 
reading and evaluating just the first byte.



PS - a nomenclature proposal:

Serializing memory-specific structures like arrays into bytestreams for 
storage and transport, like we do with arrayEncode, is popular in many 
languages.  JSON is probably the most common serialized format after 
XML, and a binary variant named BSON is growing in use as the MongoDB 
that relies on it becomes ever more popular.


Exploring BSON in detail (Wikipedia's always a good start: 
 ), we can see some similarities in 
structure, and many similarities in usage patterns, with LiveCode's 
encoded arrays.


Given the popularity of JSON and BSON, and the value of adopting 
standard-sounding nomenclature when discussing a new tool with others, I 
sometimes refer to LiveCode's encoded arrays as LSON.


It's only slightly shorter than typing "encoded array", but hey, every 
little bit helps. :)


I feel the bigger benefit comes from sounding familiar.  In 
conversations with professional developers who are accustomed to *SON it 
helps convey that our community is also aware of other common 
conventions, and while LiveCode is in many ways completely different 
from other languages at least some things can be described in ways that 
make them more readily accepted by newcomers with deep experience using 
other systems.


Do you feel adopting "LSON" for encoded arrays is helpful or distracting?

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Re: LiveCode forums down today?

[Simon]

Hi Dave,
Sorry I was just looking at the Status page, I have no true knowledge of
Pancake's functionality.

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Re: OT: Hosting providers

[J. Landman Gay]

I've been very satisfied with jaguarPC for the last 10 years or more. Never any 
down time other than pre-announced maintenance, runs LC server and CGIs well, 
and is reasonably priced. Support tickets are usually answered within an hour, 
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Re: LC7 arrayEncode/Decode

[Richard Gaskin]

William Prothero wrote:

> I found an oddity with arrayEncode and arrayDecode, When I saved an
> array to a file, first using arrayEncode(myArray), wrote it out as
>
> put arrayEncode(myArray) into theEncodedArray
> put theEncodedArray into URL(“binfile:”&myfile)
>
>  and then read it back in using
> put URL(“binfile:”&myFile) into theEncodedArray
> put arrayDecode(theEncodedArray) into myArray
>
> myArray has the first element as a blank entry. It’s not the same
> array as I started with.
>
> My array looks like myArray[1][“name”], myArray[2][“name”], etc
>
> This seems like a bug to me. I didn’t get any satisfaction when I set
> the storage method as text, but then again, I couldn’t find a lesson
> where that format was specified. But, it seems like whether it’s
> binary or not, it should still read back in and decode correctly.

It might be a bug, but like many here I do a LOT of work with arrays, 
and with so much user testing, combined with that part of the engine's 
code base being somewhat isolated, I'd double-check the recipe first 
before submitting a bug report.


Unexpected keys can sometimes arise from running split on data that's 
inconsistently formatted.


How is the array created?

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Re: documentation for open socket using certificate and key, sccept only ssl

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Mark Waddingham  wrote:

> As the 'secure' layer is a protocol layered on top of the basic byte
> stream, it requires both sides to be talking the 'secure' protocol - in
> particular, there is a handshake at the start that must happen to establish
> the initial (symmetric) encryption keys, then these are refreshed
> periodically throughout the transaction period. In short, if you attempt to
> open a non-secure connection to a secured socket the connection will not
> occur and you will get an error. i.e. 'secure sockets' will only talk to
> other other 'secure sockets'.
>

This is definitely what I want,

However, I don't see any way in "accept  connections" to *require* that the
connection come in as secure.  I'd love it to simply reject the connection,
so that I can assume I'm getting encrypted data.  At the moment, I'm using
RSA each way, but I assume that once I'm hosting servers, that's going to
multiply the number needed.


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OT : Hosting providers

[Alex Tweedly]

[apologies for starting a new thread, but I haven't received any email 
for days, so I can't respond within the thread :-( ]


Many thanks for the suggestions - I had found hostm.com (by googling 
"Livecode server hosting") and have started an account there - so it was 
comforting to then find them being recommended.


But I do need one more rant 

some of my sites are down (bad)
some have incomplete or old data (very bad)

but MUCH WORSE
some have their scripts and data in place, but LCServer isn't, so the 
scripts are being displayed to users rather than being executed.


So on some sites (I won't name them :-), you can go along and have a 
look at all my .lc scripts.
I suspect that might mean you can see my MySQL database names and 
passwords (since they are hard-coded into an LC script somewhere, which 
was acceptable because those scripts would never be viewable by any user).


So this isn't just poor service, this is a breach of my security.

/rant
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Re: OT : Hosting providers

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

> Am 04.05.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Alex Tweedly :
> 
> [apologies for starting a new thread, but I haven't received any email for 
> days, so I can't respond within the thread :-( ]
> 
> Many thanks for the suggestions - I had found hostm.com (by googling 
> "Livecode server hosting") and have started an account there - so it was 
> comforting to then find them being recommended.
> 
> But I do need one more rant 
> 
> some of my sites are down (bad)
> some have incomplete or old data (very bad)
> 
> but MUCH WORSE
> some have their scripts and data in place, but LCServer isn't, so the scripts 
> are being displayed to users rather than being executed.
> 
> So on some sites (I won't name them :-), you can go along and have a look at 
> all my .lc scripts.
> I suspect that might mean you can see my MySQL database names and passwords 
> (since they are hard-coded into an LC script somewhere, which was acceptable 
> because those scripts would never be viewable by any user).
> 
> So this isn't just poor service, this is a breach of my security.

To avoid that i got into the way of storing all my scripts outside the 
„public_html“ folder. I created a folder in my home folder  where i store all 
my scripts. In the public_html and its subfolders i just place scripts with an 
one liner which uses the include command to include the scripts outside the 
publicly accessible folders. So in any case Livecode server is not running, the 
users just see the script with my include command. Nothing else.



> 
> /rant
> -- Alex.
> 
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Re: LC7 arrayEncode/Decode

[Peter Haworth]

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Base64 might be useful for network transfer, but for local storage just
> reading/writing in binary mode will be simpler, faster, and result in a
> much smaller file.


Thanks Richard.

After my original post, I realized I didn't need the base64 stuff - this is
just for storing prefs data in a local file.  However, for backwards
compatibility purposes, I think I will leave it in place, especially since
arrayEncode will handle any Unicode for me.


Pete
lcSQL Software 
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Re: Status of on-rev restore?

[Monte Goulding]

> On 3 May 2015, at 7:12 pm, Pierre Sahores  wrote:
> 
> http://mergext.com/  is back to service. Hour after hour…

Yep we were out for a while… now moved to jasmine

Cheers

Monte

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