Re: What has changed in MacOS 10.12 in handling code pages?

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:52 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
 wrote:
>
> These are special font names introduced recently, explained in the
> dictionary under "fontnames".

Ah, I see, in the Dictionary entry for textFont I should have followed
the link to fontNames. Thanks for the heads up.

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Re: What has changed in MacOS 10.12 in handling code pages?

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
 wrote:
>So the issue is solved for my current
> development, but is a great annoyance for all my customers out there with
> old versions, because this bug makes my program unusable for all of them.

So isn't that normal software evolution? With every OS X upgrade most
software vendors have to tweak their product to make it compatible
with the latest and greatest. I usually wait until OS x.2 before
scanning the websites of my most needed software to confirm they are
compatible before I'll consider upgrading my OS.

I think some software developers bank on this 'need to update' to
maintain a revenue stream.

Granted, having fonts display abnormally isn't something I've ever
heard of before.

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AW: What has changed in MacOS 10.12 in handling code pages?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Sure, for me it is natural and I do those checks myself.

But not for most of my customers, who partially just know, where to turn
on/off their computer. Even in the system requirements I never write (as
most do) MIN OS X 10.x, but OS X 10.x to 10.y. But at last nobody ever reads
that or cares about that. They are just upset, if my software doesn't run
anymore on a new system, while "all other software runs fine" ...
So it's always my problem. But not to tell about development for Android...
Tiemo

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
 wrote:
>So the issue is solved for my current
> development, but is a great annoyance for all my customers out there 
>with  old versions, because this bug makes my program unusable for all of
them.

So isn't that normal software evolution? With every OS X upgrade most
software vendors have to tweak their product to make it compatible with the
latest and greatest. I usually wait until OS x.2 before scanning the
websites of my most needed software to confirm they are compatible before
I'll consider upgrading my OS.

I think some software developers bank on this 'need to update' to maintain a
revenue stream.

Granted, having fonts display abnormally isn't something I've ever heard of
before.

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[ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1 contains 83 bug fixes and stability improvements:

- Several crashes have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.2.6) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included.
- Xcode 8.2 and iOS 10.2 support is added.
- Several clipboard-related bugs have been fixed.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_3/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_3_rc_1.pdf

Important Note:
If you have already downloaded tsNet 1.2.6 from the tsNet downloads page,
please make sure you download a new copy now, since the existing tsNet
1.2.6 bundles have been replaced.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team

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Interesting Gotcha with Datagrids

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi all. 

I just tracked down a nasty gotcha (notice I didn't say 'bug') that can cause a 
crash to desktop when working with data grids. 

I have (for lack of a better term) a "searchbar" object with all the controls 
and scripts necessary for filtering a data grid. If you type text into the 
search field, it saves the dgData and the dgHilitedIndex in properties of the 
stack. It then sets the dgData of the datagrid to the filtered data, but DOES 
NOT set the dgHilitedIndex yet. The user does that, and when he does, that is 
when it gets interesting. 

In the selectionChanged handler of the datagrid I send a mouseUp to the Cancel 
button of the searchbar object which first resets the searchbar to an initial 
state, and then RESTORES THE SAVED DATA TO THE DATAGRID! This is where it 
crashes to desktop. A cookie to the first person who guesses why. 

No? Okay, so the datagrid selectionChanged handler calls a script in another 
control which then changes the contents of the data grid... WHICH CHANGES THE 
SELECTION, which of course then triggers selectionChanged... AGAIN. Endless 
loop. 

The fix for this was simple. Lock messages before I restore the contents of the 
datagrid. It might be nice however, if there was some kind of message or maybe 
a crash log that indicated that an endless loop was generated, instead of just 
crashing to desktop. Just a thot. Thinking about it, this may be the bulk of 
CTD complaints when using data grids. 

Bob S
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Panos,

> Am 20.01.2017 um 18:26 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
> 
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.

not there yet!? Or the page has not been updated?
https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

> 
> Release Contents
> 
> 
> LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1 contains 83 bug fixes and stability improvements:
> 
> - Several crashes have been fixed.
> - New version of tsNet (1.2.6) that addresses various network-related bugs
> is included.
> - Xcode 8.2 and iOS 10.2 support is added.
> - Several clipboard-related bugs have been fixed.
> 
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_3/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_3_rc_1.pdf
> 
> Important Note:
> If you have already downloaded tsNet 1.2.6 from the tsNet downloads page,
> please make sure you download a new copy now, since the existing tsNet
> 1.2.6 bundles have been replaced.
> 
> 
> Feedback
> 
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
> 
> 
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team

Best

Klaus

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Marvellous . . . now, let's see . . .

Love, Richmond.

On 1/20/17 7:26 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1 contains 83 bug fixes and stability improvements:

- Several crashes have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.2.6) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included.
- Xcode 8.2 and iOS 10.2 support is added.
- Several clipboard-related bugs have been fixed.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_3/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_3_rc_1.pdf

Important Note:
If you have already downloaded tsNet 1.2.6 from the tsNet downloads page,
please make sure you download a new copy now, since the existing tsNet
1.2.6 bundles have been replaced.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On 1/20/17 7:26 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.

Not yet, you can't . . .

Quo Vadis?

Richmond.



Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1 contains 83 bug fixes and stability improvements:

- Several crashes have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.2.6) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included.
- Xcode 8.2 and iOS 10.2 support is added.
- Several clipboard-related bugs have been fixed.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_3/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_3_rc_1.pdf

Important Note:
If you have already downloaded tsNet 1.2.6 from the tsNet downloads page,
please make sure you download a new copy now, since the existing tsNet
1.2.6 bundles have been replaced.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Sorry guys, my bad. Try now :)

Best,
Panos
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 1/20/17 7:26 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
>>
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
>> via
>> the automatic updater.
>>
> Not yet, you can't . . .
>
> Quo Vadis?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>> Release Contents
>> 
>>
>> LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1 contains 83 bug fixes and stability improvements:
>>
>> - Several crashes have been fixed.
>> - New version of tsNet (1.2.6) that addresses various network-related bugs
>> is included.
>> - Xcode 8.2 and iOS 10.2 support is added.
>> - Several clipboard-related bugs have been fixed.
>>
>> The full release notes are available from:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_3/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_3_rc_1.pdf
>>
>> Important Note:
>> If you have already downloaded tsNet 1.2.6 from the tsNet downloads page,
>> please make sure you download a new copy now, since the existing tsNet
>> 1.2.6 bundles have been replaced.
>>
>>
>> Feedback
>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>>
>>
>> Have fun!
>> The LiveCode Team
>>
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Add builtin implementation of field 'Select All' (8.1.3-rc-1)
The field control will now understand Cmd/Ctrl+A as the 'Select All' action - 
causing the whole text
of the field to be selected.

Nice. I had to workaround this. 

Bob S



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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi all,

> Am 20.01.2017 um 18:47 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Panos,
> 
>> Am 20.01.2017 um 18:26 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
>> the automatic updater.
> 
> not there yet!? Or the page has not been updated?
> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

ah, now its there! :-)


Best

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:26 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
>

I just downloaded 8.1.3 rc-1 Business and the IDE is acting up. None of my
plugins load, can’t open PI for objects or edit scripts. Anybody else
seeing issues? I’ve also tried Indy.

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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Jacque & Stephen,

Right now I’m running LC Server version 8.1.2 as it
is supposed to be set up from the mothership’s
perspective.

I’ve been looking at Jacque’s site.  The information there
seems a little old and dated.  Is the information there still
current enough to work?  

It also looks like the server as it comes from the company
is not set up as CGI out of the box, so I’m assuming that
I have to set it up according to Jacque’s website so that
whatever stack I designate with the "start using Stack (pathname)”
will work.

I’m surprised that the official LiveCode website doesn’t have a lot
more documentation and examples with a few example
images.  It looks like Jacque’s website is better although it
too lacks images.

From what I’m reading, what I’m looking to do sounds possible,
yet the example resources seem to need some updating before
it will all work as promised.  Suggestions?

Thank you for your help on this.

Rick

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> My site is focused on old-style CGI. It's an alternative to LC server 
> scripts, which act more like PHP,. Both are viable methods but slightly 
> different.
> 
> --
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> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
> 
> On January 8, 2017 2:49:16 PM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Jacque's site is a great resource for livecode server information.
>> 
>> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/scripts4.html
>> 
>> there doesn't appear to be many of us, but we who use LC server will
>> probably never have to use PHP very much any more for our web programming.
>> 
>> And the open source version is the only version!
>> 
>> I improperly credited John Craig for RevIgniter, which of course was
>> written by Ralf Bitter. Sorry about that.
>> 
>> --
>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>> mixstream.org
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Stephen Barncard 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> some stack use info as used in web app RevIgniter:
>>> 
>>> https://revigniter.com/userGuide/general/using_stacks.html
>>> 
>>> by the way, RevIgniter is a self-contained framework that you might find
>>> useful for all kinds of web development in livecode.
>>> 
>>> It might be a little different than your own programming style, but John
>>> Craig's creation is a living example of the "Model-View-Controller"
>>> concept.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>>> mixstream.org
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Stephen Barncard 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 here's some basics from the docs
 
 http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36656-how-do-i-use-stac
 ks-with-livecode-server
 
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 mixstream.org
 
 On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> That sounds promising.. do you know of any good examples?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> > On Jan 8, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > stacks are great with LC server. For instance, one can use custom
> > properties and libraries just by 'start using' that stack.
> >
> > I'm not sure about fields but I think they are accessible too.
> >
> > And one can test and edit everything 'on the ground' first.
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Trevor It works as expected for me, just tried Business and Indy in my
home laptop. What you describe sounds as a result of corrupted Prefs. Have
you tried trashing your existing Prefs?

(/Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode.rev and
/Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode7.rev)


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:26 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
> >
>
> I just downloaded 8.1.3 rc-1 Business and the IDE is acting up. None of my
> plugins load, can’t open PI for objects or edit scripts. Anybody else
> seeing issues? I’ve also tried Indy.
>
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[hlowe via use-livecode]

Trevor,

Using 8.1.3 (RC 1) under Mac OS 10.12.2, all of my plug-ins are missing.
Temporarily deleting preference file(s) did not help. All was well with
8.1.2.

Henry



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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Panos,

> Am 20.01.2017 um 18:26 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
> ...
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team

LC 8.1.3 RC1 does NOT show the user plugins, only LCs plugins inside of the app 
package!?
And these are not listed in the menu, only visible in the popup menu of the 
"Plug in settings" stack?

See screenshot:



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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

My previous message requires approval because I attached an image. So I
paste it here and put the image in a dropbox link:

=
Hmm, that's strange. Could it be the case that the path to
MyLiveCode/Plugins is somehow reset in the Prefs?

I have just added Richard Gaskin's plugin in my Plugins folder, then
restarted LC and it is shown as expected.

Moreover, the full list of Plugins is shown in "Development -> Plugins"
menu item.

See attached screenshot.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0xd5v0ic48iryne/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-20%20at%2019.05.02.png?dl=0

Best,
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:11 PM, panagiotis merakos 
wrote:

> Hmm, that's strange. Could it be the case that the path to
> MyLiveCode/Plugins is somehow reset in the Prefs?
>
> I have just added Richard Gaskin's plugin in my Plugins folder, then
> restarted LC and it is shown as expected.
>
> Moreover, the full list of Plugins is shown in "Development -> Plugins"
> menu item.
>
> See attached screenshot.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Panos,
>>
>> > Am 20.01.2017 um 18:26 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>> >
>> > Dear list members,
>> >
>> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1.
>> > ...
>> > Have fun!
>> > The LiveCode Team
>>
>> LC 8.1.3 RC1 does NOT show the user plugins, only LCs plugins inside of
>> the app package!?
>> And these are not listed in the menu, only visible in the popup menu of
>> the "Plug in settings" stack?
>>
>> See screenshot:
>> 
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.major-k.de
>> kl...@major-k.de
>>
>>
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:34 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Trevor It works as expected for me, just tried Business and Indy in my
> home laptop. What you describe sounds as a result of corrupted Prefs. Have
> you tried trashing your existing Prefs?
>
> (/Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode.rev and
> /Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode7.rev)


I removed the prefs but it didn’t make a difference. Odd thing is a I have
older 8.1.3 rc-1 build that works. It is just recent 8.1.3 builds that
don’t work for me. Is there some sort of log I can look at to see if an
error is occurring during startup?

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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

What jacque was referring to is a different animal. An executable set up as
a cgi, that (if I recall correctly has a startup script and that after
script completion, exits)
The lc server itself runs in cgi mode (as apposed to as a module I believe)
and unless you're using the earliest version (you're not) can access and
use stacks "out of the box."

A very simple example:

My lcserver script..
" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
   randomize
?>

Starts using a very very simple stack.
Shows the script of that stack.
executes the command "randomize" that is in the stack.

You can see it work here: http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc

You can of course also "go" to a stack.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Jacque & Stephen,
>
> Right now I’m running LC Server version 8.1.2 as it
> is supposed to be set up from the mothership’s
> perspective.
>
> I’ve been looking at Jacque’s site.  The information there
> seems a little old and dated.  Is the information there still
> current enough to work?
>
> It also looks like the server as it comes from the company
> is not set up as CGI out of the box, so I’m assuming that
> I have to set it up according to Jacque’s website so that
> whatever stack I designate with the "start using Stack (pathname)”
> will work.
>
> I’m surprised that the official LiveCode website doesn’t have a lot
> more documentation and examples with a few example
> images.  It looks like Jacque’s website is better although it
> too lacks images.
>
> From what I’m reading, what I’m looking to do sounds possible,
> yet the example resources seem to need some updating before
> it will all work as promised.  Suggestions?
>
> Thank you for your help on this.
>
> Rick
>
> > On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > My site is focused on old-style CGI. It's an alternative to LC server
> scripts, which act more like PHP,. Both are viable methods but slightly
> different.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 8, 2017 2:49:16 PM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jacque's site is a great resource for livecode server information.
> >>
> >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/scripts4.html
> >>
> >> there doesn't appear to be many of us, but we who use LC server will
> >> probably never have to use PHP very much any more for our web
> programming.
> >>
> >> And the open source version is the only version!
> >>
> >> I improperly credited John Craig for RevIgniter, which of course was
> >> written by Ralf Bitter. Sorry about that.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> >> mixstream.org
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Stephen Barncard  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> some stack use info as used in web app RevIgniter:
> >>>
> >>> https://revigniter.com/userGuide/general/using_stacks.html
> >>>
> >>> by the way, RevIgniter is a self-contained framework that you might
> find
> >>> useful for all kinds of web development in livecode.
> >>>
> >>> It might be a little different than your own programming style, but
> John
> >>> Craig's creation is a living example of the "Model-View-Controller"
> >>> concept.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> >>> mixstream.org
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Stephen Barncard <
> step...@barncard.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  here's some basics from the docs
> 
>  http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36656-how-do-i-use-stac
>  ks-with-livecode-server
> 
>  --
>  Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>  mixstream.org
> 
>  On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > That sounds promising.. do you know of any good examples?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > > On Jan 8, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > stacks are great with LC server. For instance, one can use custom
> > > properties and libraries just by 'start using' that stack.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about fields but I think they are accessible too.
> > >
> > > And one can test and edit everything 'on the ground' first.
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

The startup log is stored in /Users/your_user_name/
Library/Logs/RunRev/LiveCodeToolsLog.txt

This file should be quite large, so scroll down to see the most recent
startup log.

Since a couple of you guys are seeing your user Plugins not showing, I
would suggest you file a bug report so as we investigate this further.

@Trevor Are you still unable to open the PI for objects and edit scripts?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
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> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:34 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > @Trevor It works as expected for me, just tried Business and Indy in my
> > home laptop. What you describe sounds as a result of corrupted Prefs.
> Have
> > you tried trashing your existing Prefs?
> >
> > (/Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode.rev and
> > /Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode7.rev)
>
>
> I removed the prefs but it didn’t make a difference. Odd thing is a I have
> older 8.1.3 rc-1 build that works. It is just recent 8.1.3 builds that
> don’t work for me. Is there some sort of log I can look at to see if an
> error is occurring during startup?
>
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

Everything is working correctly for me with LC8.1.3 (rc-1) build 14015 on OSX 
Sierra 10.12.2. I don’t have too many plugins installed, but all the standard 
ones, my own and lcStackBrowser are all available and working as expected.

Paul

> On 20 Jan 2017, at 11:22, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:34 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> @Trevor It works as expected for me, just tried Business and Indy in my
>> home laptop. What you describe sounds as a result of corrupted Prefs. Have
>> you tried trashing your existing Prefs?
>> 
>> (/Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode.rev and
>> /Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences/RunRev/livecode7.rev)
> 
> 
> I removed the prefs but it didn’t make a difference. Odd thing is a I have
> older 8.1.3 rc-1 build that works. It is just recent 8.1.3 builds that
> don’t work for me. Is there some sort of log I can look at to see if an
> error is occurring during startup?
> 
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:32 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The startup log is stored in /Users/your_user_name/
> Library/Logs/RunRev/LiveCodeToolsLog.txt
>
> This file should be quite large, so scroll down to see the most recent
> startup log.
>
> Since a couple of you guys are seeing your user Plugins not showing, I
> would suggest you file a bug report so as we investigate this further.
>
> @Trevor Are you still unable to open the PI for objects and edit scripts?


I was able to get things working by doing the following:

1. Quit LiveCode
2. Duplicate my “plugins" folder to “plugins copy”.
3. Remove all files/folders from “plugins” folder.
4. Start LiveCode. Plugins that ship with LIveCode load again.
5. Quit LiveCode.
6. Start adding plugins from “plugins copy” folder to “plugins” folder and
relaunching LiveCode.

I was able to add every plugin back in and now everything works as before.
Plugins load, PI works, contextual menus work, etc.

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:32 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The startup log is stored in /Users/your_user_name/
> Library/Logs/RunRev/LiveCodeToolsLog.txt
>


Here is the error. I’ll submit a bug report, although I can’t reproduce it
now that I reset my plugins folder.

Enter Plug-Ins Initialisation
  Error 573,804,1,revSEObjectDeleted
  241,804,1,revIDEUpdateScriptEditorOnObjectDeletion
  353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Business 8.1.3 (rc
1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/libraries/revbackscriptlibrary.livecodescript"
  573,796,1,revIDEUpdateScriptEditorOnObjectDeletion
  241,796,1,revIDEHandleObjectDeleted
  353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Business 8.1.3 (rc
1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/libraries/revbackscriptlibrary.livecodescript"
  573,877,1,revIDEHandleObjectDeleted
  241,877,1,deleteStack
  353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Business 8.1.3 (rc
1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/libraries/revbackscriptlibrary.livecodescript"
  347,0,0,stack "rIDEtree" of stack
"/Users/trevordevore/Dropbox/LiveCode/plugins/rIDE.livecode"
  76,6472,1
  253,6472,1
  253,6472,1
  490,6472,1
  241,6453,1,revIDEUpdatePlugins
  353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Business 8.1.3 (rc
1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript"
  573,1635,1,revIDEUpdatePlugins
  241,1635,1,revInternal__InitialisePlugIns
  353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Business 8.1.3 (rc
1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/home.livecodescript"
  573,205,1,revInternal__InitialisePlugIns
  253,205,1

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Trevor DeVore 
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:32 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> The startup log is stored in /Users/your_user_name/
>> Library/Logs/RunRev/LiveCodeToolsLog.txt
>
>
> I’ll submit a bug report, although I can’t reproduce it now that I reset
> my plugins folder.
>

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19120

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[hlowe via use-livecode]

I followed the advice about emptying the Plugins folder then adding back my
user plugins. Everything works as expected until I add back the DataGrid
Helper plugin 'ASG_DataGrid_Helper 2.1.rev'. If that file is in my Plugins
folder the other user plugins will not load. DataGrid Helper was working
fine in 8.1.2. Perhaps this is an incompatibility between DataGrid Helper
and LC 8.1.3 (RC-1)?

Henry



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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

I was able to get your example to work fine,
so it proves that I’m touching the stack Ok,
but when I try to send a message to a 
handler script in the stack it doesn’t execute
the handler.

Example:

send “executeThis” to stack “teststack”

In the stack script of “teststack” the contents of
“executeThis”:

on executeThis

   answer "This is the script in the teststack”

end executeThis

I looked at the stack..
..and the stack did nothing.

What am I not doing properly here?

Thanks,

Rick


> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What jacque was referring to is a different animal. An executable set up as
> a cgi, that (if I recall correctly has a startup script and that after
> script completion, exits)
> The lc server itself runs in cgi mode (as apposed to as a module I believe)
> and unless you're using the earliest version (you're not) can access and
> use stacks "out of the box."
> 
> A very simple example:
> 
> My lcserver script..
>start using stack "teststack.livecode"
>   put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
>   randomize
> ?>
> 
> Starts using a very very simple stack.
> Shows the script of that stack.
> executes the command "randomize" that is in the stack.
> 
> You can see it work here: http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc
> 
> You can of course also "go" to a stack.
> 
> 

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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

The biggest problem I see is that you can't use "answer."  Answer is a gui
dialog box that requires action (click ok.)  If you want the text to show
up, use put.  (a put with no target container goes to stdout IE to the web
page)

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I was able to get your example to work fine,
> so it proves that I’m touching the stack Ok,
> but when I try to send a message to a
> handler script in the stack it doesn’t execute
> the handler.
>
> Example:
>
> send “executeThis” to stack “teststack”
>
> In the stack script of “teststack” the contents of
> “executeThis”:
>
> on executeThis
>
>answer "This is the script in the teststack”
>
> end executeThis
>
> I looked at the stack..
> ..and the stack did nothing.
>
> What am I not doing properly here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What jacque was referring to is a different animal. An executable set up
> as
> > a cgi, that (if I recall correctly has a startup script and that after
> > script completion, exits)
> > The lc server itself runs in cgi mode (as apposed to as a module I
> believe)
> > and unless you're using the earliest version (you're not) can access and
> > use stacks "out of the box."
> >
> > A very simple example:
> >
> > My lcserver script..
> >  >   start using stack "teststack.livecode"
> >   put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
> >   randomize
> > ?>
> >
> > Starts using a very very simple stack.
> > Shows the script of that stack.
> > executes the command "randomize" that is in the stack.
> >
> > You can see it work here: http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc
> >
> > You can of course also "go" to a stack.
> >
> >
>
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

I changed the script of the stack to match, but changed answer to put.
The script of the lc server page is now this:
   go stack "teststack.livecode" -- just to show that go works too
   put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
   send "executeThis" to stack "teststack"

As before, it will output the script from the stack in question, and then
sends "executeThis" to the stack. It was probably (kinda) working before,
you just couldn't see anything because its an answer dialog. (Though
perhaps its possible to grab a snapshot of the dialog, close it, and post
the pic to the page?  Not sure.)


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> The biggest problem I see is that you can't use "answer."  Answer is a gui
> dialog box that requires action (click ok.)  If you want the text to show
> up, use put.  (a put with no target container goes to stdout IE to the web
> page)
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was able to get your example to work fine,
>> so it proves that I’m touching the stack Ok,
>> but when I try to send a message to a
>> handler script in the stack it doesn’t execute
>> the handler.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> send “executeThis” to stack “teststack”
>>
>> In the stack script of “teststack” the contents of
>> “executeThis”:
>>
>> on executeThis
>>
>>answer "This is the script in the teststack”
>>
>> end executeThis
>>
>> I looked at the stack..
>> ..and the stack did nothing.
>>
>> What am I not doing properly here?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What jacque was referring to is a different animal. An executable set
>> up as
>> > a cgi, that (if I recall correctly has a startup script and that after
>> > script completion, exits)
>> > The lc server itself runs in cgi mode (as apposed to as a module I
>> believe)
>> > and unless you're using the earliest version (you're not) can access and
>> > use stacks "out of the box."
>> >
>> > A very simple example:
>> >
>> > My lcserver script..
>> > > >   start using stack "teststack.livecode"
>> >   put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
>> >   randomize
>> > ?>
>> >
>> > Starts using a very very simple stack.
>> > Shows the script of that stack.
>> > executes the command "randomize" that is in the stack.
>> >
>> > You can see it work here: http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc
>> >
>> > You can of course also "go" to a stack.
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc  -- same link to see the updated example.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> I changed the script of the stack to match, but changed answer to put.
> The script of the lc server page is now this:
>go stack "teststack.livecode" -- just to show that go works too
>put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
>send "executeThis" to stack "teststack"
>
> As before, it will output the script from the stack in question, and then
> sends "executeThis" to the stack. It was probably (kinda) working before,
> you just couldn't see anything because its an answer dialog. (Though
> perhaps its possible to grab a snapshot of the dialog, close it, and post
> the pic to the page?  Not sure.)
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem I see is that you can't use "answer."  Answer is a
>> gui dialog box that requires action (click ok.)  If you want the text to
>> show up, use put.  (a put with no target container goes to stdout IE to the
>> web page)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> I was able to get your example to work fine,
>>> so it proves that I’m touching the stack Ok,
>>> but when I try to send a message to a
>>> handler script in the stack it doesn’t execute
>>> the handler.
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> send “executeThis” to stack “teststack”
>>>
>>> In the stack script of “teststack” the contents of
>>> “executeThis”:
>>>
>>> on executeThis
>>>
>>>answer "This is the script in the teststack”
>>>
>>> end executeThis
>>>
>>> I looked at the stack..
>>> ..and the stack did nothing.
>>>
>>> What am I not doing properly here?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What jacque was referring to is a different animal. An executable set
>>> up as
>>> > a cgi, that (if I recall correctly has a startup script and that after
>>> > script completion, exits)
>>> > The lc server itself runs in cgi mode (as apposed to as a module I
>>> believe)
>>> > and unless you're using the earliest version (you're not) can access
>>> and
>>> > use stacks "out of the box."
>>> >
>>> > A very simple example:
>>> >
>>> > My lcserver script..
>>> > >> >   start using stack "teststack.livecode"
>>> >   put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
>>> >   randomize
>>> > ?>
>>> >
>>> > Starts using a very very simple stack.
>>> > Shows the script of that stack.
>>> > executes the command "randomize" that is in the stack.
>>> >
>>> > You can see it work here: http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc
>>> >
>>> > You can of course also "go" to a stack.
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

I had tried “put” before I tried “answer”
and it hadn’t worked which was why I
tried “answer”.

Did you test your new code before posting
this to me?

Thanks,

Rick

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>   go stack "teststack.livecode" -- just to show that go works too
>   put "" & the script of stack "teststack" & ""
>   send "executeThis" to stack "teststack"

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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I didn’t see this until I had already sent my last message.  LOL

Yes, I see that things work on your end.  I’ll try it again.

Thanks,

Rick

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc  -- same link to see the updated example.
> 


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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

I noticed something in the code you posted before.  Messed up quotes in the
stack script code.  I fixed those at the same time but had assumed they
were just a typo.  Maybe not?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry, I didn’t see this until I had already sent my last message.  LOL
>
> Yes, I see that things work on your end.  I’ll try it again.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc  -- same link to see the updated
> example.
> >
>
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

The quotes were funky in this like..answer "This is the script in the
teststack"  (I think thats where I fixed it)


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> I noticed something in the code you posted before.  Messed up quotes in
> the stack script code.  I fixed those at the same time but had assumed they
> were just a typo.  Maybe not?
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Sorry, I didn’t see this until I had already sent my last message.  LOL
>>
>> Yes, I see that things work on your end.  I’ll try it again.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > http://guidezone.info/stackuse.lc  -- same link to see the updated
>> example.
>> >
>>
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

Ok, the put message in the stack showed up in my browser
so that worked fine.  My next line of code I tried was:

put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of this 
stack

It didn’t put anything into that field.  I also put the same code into a button
on the stack to test it, and the button works fine with the same code.
Why doesn’t this work?

Thanks,

Rick
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

How do you know it didn't work?
Well ok.. first.. On the server you have to make sure that the stack you
are on is the one you think you're on.
If you put the name of "this stack" you can see where you are when it
happens.
Second, the server first loads the stack.  Then if you "put" something into
the field of the stack (especially if you are explicit so that you know
exactly WHAT stack and field you're putting it into,) it most likely does
it, but you wouldn't be able to see it in the browser, because you aren't
looking at the stack.  So you'd have to check the stack itself (while the
lc script is running, if you put something into a field, and then
immediately  "put the text of field blah blah blah" so that it grabs the
text and puts it onto the web page, you can see that it is indeed there.
Since each hit to the web server is a new instance, the next time you hit
the page, the text would not be in that field, UNLESS you told the lc
script to save the stack.

This is how I created the test stack I'm using.  I had the lc script create
the stack, set the script of the stack, set the filename of the stack, then
saved the stack.  IF I had also created and populated fields in the stack
and then saved it, the fields would still be populated and the text could
then be extracted from them.  (It would get much more complex with multiple
users of course, due to concurrency poblems)

Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Ok, the put message in the stack showed up in my browser
> so that worked fine.  My next line of code I tried was:
>
> put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of
> this stack
>
> It didn’t put anything into that field.  I also put the same code into a
> button
> on the stack to test it, and the button works fine with the same code.
> Why doesn’t this work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

just checked, "this stack" should work fine (unless you do something that
changes the context)

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> How do you know it didn't work?
> Well ok.. first.. On the server you have to make sure that the stack you
> are on is the one you think you're on.
> If you put the name of "this stack" you can see where you are when it
> happens.
> Second, the server first loads the stack.  Then if you "put" something
> into the field of the stack (especially if you are explicit so that you
> know exactly WHAT stack and field you're putting it into,) it most likely
> does it, but you wouldn't be able to see it in the browser, because you
> aren't looking at the stack.  So you'd have to check the stack itself
> (while the lc script is running, if you put something into a field, and
> then immediately  "put the text of field blah blah blah" so that it grabs
> the text and puts it onto the web page, you can see that it is indeed
> there.  Since each hit to the web server is a new instance, the next time
> you hit the page, the text would not be in that field, UNLESS you told the
> lc script to save the stack.
>
> This is how I created the test stack I'm using.  I had the lc script
> create the stack, set the script of the stack, set the filename of the
> stack, then saved the stack.  IF I had also created and populated fields in
> the stack and then saved it, the fields would still be populated and the
> text could then be extracted from them.  (It would get much more complex
> with multiple users of course, due to concurrency poblems)
>
> Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Ok, the put message in the stack showed up in my browser
>> so that worked fine.  My next line of code I tried was:
>>
>> put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of
>> this stack
>>
>> It didn’t put anything into that field.  I also put the same code into a
>> button
>> on the stack to test it, and the button works fine with the same code.
>> Why doesn’t this work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rick
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

think I may have figured out what you're wanting to do.. Correct me if I'm
wrong.

YOu want to have an active process with an open stack that is running,
either in the ide or as a standalone. And to then be able to hit a web page
that then updates the currently open stack. If thats the case, its not
possible to do this (at least not using the method currently being looked
at.. )  There are probably ways to get this done, but updating an open
stack in a completely separate, already running  process using lc server
just isn't very feasible.  If this is the goal, let me know more about what
you want to accomplish, and maybe we can figure out a way.
If I'm entirely wrong about what you want to do, then kindly ignore the
preceding. :)

P.S. if this is the case, jacques cgi method would work better because the
cgi is a full blown engine instance with socket support, so you could hit
the web server, and then use sockets to talk to the stack you wish to
update.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> just checked, "this stack" should work fine (unless you do something that
> changes the context)
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:
>
>> How do you know it didn't work?
>> Well ok.. first.. On the server you have to make sure that the stack you
>> are on is the one you think you're on.
>> If you put the name of "this stack" you can see where you are when it
>> happens.
>> Second, the server first loads the stack.  Then if you "put" something
>> into the field of the stack (especially if you are explicit so that you
>> know exactly WHAT stack and field you're putting it into,) it most likely
>> does it, but you wouldn't be able to see it in the browser, because you
>> aren't looking at the stack.  So you'd have to check the stack itself
>> (while the lc script is running, if you put something into a field, and
>> then immediately  "put the text of field blah blah blah" so that it grabs
>> the text and puts it onto the web page, you can see that it is indeed
>> there.  Since each hit to the web server is a new instance, the next time
>> you hit the page, the text would not be in that field, UNLESS you told the
>> lc script to save the stack.
>>
>> This is how I created the test stack I'm using.  I had the lc script
>> create the stack, set the script of the stack, set the filename of the
>> stack, then saved the stack.  IF I had also created and populated fields in
>> the stack and then saved it, the fields would still be populated and the
>> text could then be extracted from them.  (It would get much more complex
>> with multiple users of course, due to concurrency poblems)
>>
>> Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> Ok, the put message in the stack showed up in my browser
>>> so that worked fine.  My next line of code I tried was:
>>>
>>> put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of
>>> this stack
>>>
>>> It didn’t put anything into that field.  I also put the same code into a
>>> button
>>> on the stack to test it, and the button works fine with the same code.
>>> Why doesn’t this work?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rick
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/20/17 6:00 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

My next line of code I tried was:

put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of this 
stack

It didn’t put anything into that field.


When you are working on a server, you can only see what gets put into 
the browser. There is no stack to examine visually. Anywhere a script 
uses "put" without a destination, the text will go to the browser window 
where you can see it. Anything that is put into the stack itself won't 
be visible.


Each time the server runs a script, it starts from scratch. Nothing is 
saved from previous runs (unless you script it.) So you can't run the 
script on the server and then look at the stack later -- it won't have 
been saved.


Another option if you do want to see a real stack inside a browser is 
the (as yet immature) HTML5 feature. That does put a stack into a 
browser window, with buttons, fields, and all the basic object behaviors 
you are used to. It is still young yet though and has some limitations.


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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

Sorry I was out for dinner..

> How do you know it didn't work?


I know it didn’t work because I looked at the stack and no changes
had occurred in the stack.  (As in nothing new was put into the field.)
I’m not looking for the change to occur in the browser, that’s not
where I’m expecting to find any change thus far.

Should I not have the stack open that I’m trying to send the
messages to?  Should it be a standalone that gets saved
after every change?

> Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?


I’m just trying to explore various possibilities and directions project-wise.
I don’t have a definite plan at the moment.  I’m just trying to see what
capabilities exist in using the server to communicate with stacks.

Thanks,

Rick

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> How do you know it didn't work?
> Well ok.. first.. On the server you have to make sure that the stack you
> are on is the one you think you're on.
> If you put the name of "this stack" you can see where you are when it
> happens.
> Second, the server first loads the stack.  Then if you "put" something into
> the field of the stack (especially if you are explicit so that you know
> exactly WHAT stack and field you're putting it into,) it most likely does
> it, but you wouldn't be able to see it in the browser, because you aren't
> looking at the stack.  So you'd have to check the stack itself (while the
> lc script is running, if you put something into a field, and then
> immediately  "put the text of field blah blah blah" so that it grabs the
> text and puts it onto the web page, you can see that it is indeed there.
> Since each hit to the web server is a new instance, the next time you hit
> the page, the text would not be in that field, UNLESS you told the lc
> script to save the stack.
> 
> This is how I created the test stack I'm using.  I had the lc script create
> the stack, set the script of the stack, set the filename of the stack, then
> saved the stack.  IF I had also created and populated fields in the stack
> and then saved it, the fields would still be populated and the text could
> then be extracted from them.  (It would get much more complex with multiple
> users of course, due to concurrency poblems)
> 
> Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> Ok, the put message in the stack showed up in my browser
>> so that worked fine.  My next line of code I tried was:
>> 
>> put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of
>> this stack
>> 
>> It didn’t put anything into that field.  I also put the same code into a
>> button
>> on the stack to test it, and the button works fine with the same code.
>> Why doesn’t this work?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: LC Server & Server Based Stack?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

You can modify a stack using lc server, and save it, but that won't update
an already open stack in memory.  And if you don't add code to save the
stack from lc server, even if you do reload the stack, the change won't be
there.

One way to update a field in an open stack would be to have the stack
running a send in time loop that checks for changes to a file. (text file,
or whatever)  If the last modified stamp has changed (or if the file
exists, or however you want to do it)  read and parse the file, to get the
info and put it wherever it goes then clear or delete the file.  You'd
still have to think about concurrency issues, but it should work.
the jacque standalone cgi method (as I mentioned in a different email)
would be cool because you could hit the webserver, open a socket to your
open stack to pass data from the server to the running stack.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry I was out for dinner..
>
> > How do you know it didn't work?
>
>
> I know it didn’t work because I looked at the stack and no changes
> had occurred in the stack.  (As in nothing new was put into the field.)
> I’m not looking for the change to occur in the browser, that’s not
> where I’m expecting to find any change thus far.
>
> Should I not have the stack open that I’m trying to send the
> messages to?  Should it be a standalone that gets saved
> after every change?
>
> > Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?
>
>
> I’m just trying to explore various possibilities and directions
> project-wise.
> I don’t have a definite plan at the moment.  I’m just trying to see what
> capabilities exist in using the server to communicate with stacks.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > How do you know it didn't work?
> > Well ok.. first.. On the server you have to make sure that the stack you
> > are on is the one you think you're on.
> > If you put the name of "this stack" you can see where you are when it
> > happens.
> > Second, the server first loads the stack.  Then if you "put" something
> into
> > the field of the stack (especially if you are explicit so that you know
> > exactly WHAT stack and field you're putting it into,) it most likely does
> > it, but you wouldn't be able to see it in the browser, because you aren't
> > looking at the stack.  So you'd have to check the stack itself (while the
> > lc script is running, if you put something into a field, and then
> > immediately  "put the text of field blah blah blah" so that it grabs the
> > text and puts it onto the web page, you can see that it is indeed there.
> > Since each hit to the web server is a new instance, the next time you hit
> > the page, the text would not be in that field, UNLESS you told the lc
> > script to save the stack.
> >
> > This is how I created the test stack I'm using.  I had the lc script
> create
> > the stack, set the script of the stack, set the filename of the stack,
> then
> > saved the stack.  IF I had also created and populated fields in the stack
> > and then saved it, the fields would still be populated and the text could
> > then be extracted from them.  (It would get much more complex with
> multiple
> > users of course, due to concurrency poblems)
> >
> > Mind if I ask what you're looking to accomplish?
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> Ok, the put message in the stack showed up in my browser
> >> so that worked fine.  My next line of code I tried was:
> >>
> >> put "I hope this worked!" into field "TestFirstNameField1" of card 1 of
> >> this stack
> >>
> >> It didn’t put anything into that field.  I also put the same code into a
> >> button
> >> on the stack to test it, and the button works fine with the same code.
> >> Why doesn’t this work?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rick
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[jameshale via use-livecode]

I can confirm the interaction with the Data Grid Helper plugin. 
When I removed my copy everything appeared as expected.
If I left it in I got nothing under the plugins menu.
Added some log excerpts to bugzilla report
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19120



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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.3 RC-1

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:26 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
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>
> LiveCode 8.1.3 RC 1 contains 83 bug fixes and stability improvements:
>
> - Several crashes have been fixed.
> …

- Several clipboard-related bugs have been fixed.
>

After getting past the plugin loading issue 8.1.3 rc-1 has been working
nicely. I was able to routinely crash previous versions of LC 8 with a
project I’m working on. I haven’t had a single crash with 8.1.3 rc-1. I’m
very happy about that!

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