date:20170505

It is only editbin.exe you need which might floating around online on its own 
somewhere...

Also I think the subsystem is specified in a byte in the header of a PE 
executable so could be twizzled with a script that modifies that byte...

Probably an easy exercise for anyone who likes poking around in binary formats 
(search for windows PE format online should give the appropriate specs).

Warmest Regards,

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 May 2017, at 19:11, Malte Brill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> thanks a lot for taking the time to explain things here! Very valuable 
> information! I will certainly give it a try. Just need to install Vis Studio 
> :-)
> 
> While you are here: would you think, that a call to cURL should work on 
> Windows server? For the life of me I can not get it to, even for the simplest 
> calls. Always comes back with an out of memory error, which I believe is a 
> lie in the status code. 
> This is actually what started the experiments for me. I will give Alex 
> suggestion a try also, as this might be a workaround that might actually 
> work. And all that, just because some 3rd party insists on cookie 
> authentication for a Webservice where I would need to get the Headers back 
> from a post. *sigh*
> 
> Thanks all!
> 
> Malte
> 
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Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

2017-05-05 Thread hh via use-livecode

Oh, sorry Mike, I didn't think deep enough.

Then your approach to add the field as "sort-element" to the array is
from my point of view clearly the easiest way to go.

> > > Mike B. wrote:
> > > repeat for each line tKey in myArrayA["sortedWords"]
> > >   -- do whatever with each one myArrayA[tKey].
> > > end repeat
> >
> > hh wrote:
> > Why administrate another object while you have already one?
> > One could rebuild to string from array and sort in one step:
> >
> > put fld "myListField" into mySortList
> > repeat for each line L in mySortList
> > -- do whatever with each one myArrayA[L] ...
> > end repeat
>
> Mike B. wrote:
> True,  wasn't sure the field would still be available. I think the O.P.
> mentioned  rebuilding the list in user order at a later time (as in from a
> later program run) by loading the array data from a file.  By storing the
> list from the field as part of the array data, it carries the user index
> along with the data being indexed.  (could store the list many ways, but
> all of them require a way to actually save the list between runs, if I
> understand what I read)


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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Ah!  Now the light comes on. This example, with the background provided 
in your previous post, make it all come together.


Thanks!

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Mark Waddingham wrote:

> Just an update on my previous post. I did the following:
>
> Took a community standalone engine from inside an installed LiveCode
> distro on Windows and copied to the desktop.
>
> Tried (from Command Prompt):
>
>Standalone.exe -ui
>
> Noticed that I just got a newline in the console, and nothing else.
>
> Did:
>
>EDITBIN.EXE /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE Standalone.exe
>
> Then repeated the same command (Standalone.exe -ui) and got:
>
> ERROR: Initialization error - no stackfile to run
>
> Where I would expect - in the console.
>
> Then I created a simple livecodescript file:
>
>script "foobar"
>on startup
>  write "foobar" to stderr
>end startup
>
> Then did:
>
>Standalone.exe -ui foobar.livecodescript
>
> And got 'foobar' in the console I ran it from, and the console did
> nothing more (as standalone engines don't quit unless you explicitly
> close all stacks, or 'quit') until I did Ctrl-C. At which point
> control returned to the console.
>
> So - I think the EditBin suggestion will do as you want - and let you
> create a standalone (built or unbuilt) which runs like a normal
> console command so you should be able to get its output in shell() or
> from open process.
>
> Hope this helps!


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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Roger Eller wrote:

> Have you considered running a faceless Desktop app as a service,
> having it watch for a socket message...

Pierre Sahores and I have experimented with a wide range of socket 
servers*, with some very promising results.

That said, our independent tests seem to arrive at the same conclusion:

The execution speed of LC does compare favorably with other scripting 
languages, but best when used behind a load balancer.

Even though HTTP can be a fairly sparse protocol, without much more 
required overhead than you'd need for just about any general-purpose 
socket comms, coupling that directly with the processing of each request 
within a single engine instance creates bottlenecks.

So I like to think of socket servers in LC as very capable solutions for 
"Nanoservices": similar to microservices in scope, but suitable for 
workgroups and other relatively low-traffic environments.

Having multiple instances as workers behind a server front-end like 
NginX can be quite good, but doing both roles - socket I/O and 
processing - is a bit much to put on a single-threaded scripting engine 
like LC, at least in production environments set up for (hopefully) 
scaling public access.

That said, for workgroups there's much that can be done quite 
wonderfully with LC taking on the role of an HTTP daemon.

And as a pool of workers behind something like NginX it can stand up 
well against many alternatives scripting options, even in production 
environments.

* Sampling of related links from the archives:

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Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

True,  wasn't sure the field would still be available. I think the O.P.
mentioned  rebuilding the list in user order at a later time (as in from a
later program run) by loading the array data from a file.  By storing the
list from the field as part of the array data, it carries the user index
along with the data being indexed.  (could store the list many ways, but
all of them require a way to actually save the list between runs, if I
understand what I read)

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:36 PM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Mike B. wrote:
> > repeat for each line tKey in myArrayA["sortedWords"]
> >   -- do whatever with each one myArrayA[tKey].
> > end repeat
>
> Why administrate another object while you have already one?
> One could rebuild to string from array and sort in one step:
>
> put fld "myListField" into mySortList
> repeat for each line L in mySortList
> -- do whatever with each one myArrayA[L] ...
> end repeat
>
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Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

2017-05-05 Thread hh via use-livecode

> Mike B. wrote:
> repeat for each line tKey in myArrayA["sortedWords"]
>   -- do whatever with each one myArrayA[tKey].
> end repeat

Why administrate another object while you have already one?
One could rebuild to string from array and sort in one step:

put fld "myListField" into mySortList
repeat for each line L in mySortList
-- do whatever with each one myArrayA[L] ...
end repeat


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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Mark,

thanks a lot for taking the time to explain things here! Very valuable 
information! I will certainly give it a try. Just need to install Vis Studio :-)

While you are here: would you think, that a call to cURL should work on Windows 
server? For the life of me I can not get it to, even for the simplest calls. 
Always comes back with an out of memory error, which I believe is a lie in the 
status code. 
This is actually what started the experiments for me. I will give Alex 
suggestion a try also, as this might be a workaround that might actually work. 
And all that, just because some 3rd party insists on cookie authentication for 
a Webservice where I would need to get the Headers back from a post. *sigh*

Thanks all!

Malte


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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.


Hi Malte,

Just an update on my previous post. I did the following:

Took a community standalone engine from inside an installed LiveCode 
distro on Windows and copied to the desktop.


Tried (from Command Prompt):

  Standalone.exe -ui

Noticed that I just got a newline in the console, and nothing else.

Did:

  EDITBIN.EXE /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE Standalone.exe

Then repeated the same command (Standalone.exe -ui) and got:

ERROR: Initialization error - no stackfile to run

Where I would expect - in the console.

Then I created a simple livecodescript file:

  script "foobar"
  on startup
write "foobar" to stderr
  end startup

Then did:

  Standalone.exe -ui foobar.livecodescript

And got 'foobar' in the console I ran it from, and the console did 
nothing more (as standalone engines don't quit unless you explicitly 
close all stacks, or 'quit') until I did Ctrl-C. At which point control 
returned to the console.


So - I think the EditBin suggestion will do as you want - and let you 
create a standalone (built or unbuilt) which runs like a normal console 
command so you should be able to get its output in shell() or from open 
process.


Hope this helps!

Mark.

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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.


On 2017-05-05 18:32, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks for that background, Mark.

Please help me better understand the implications:  does this change
mean that we can no longer run standalones facelessly on Windows by
just calling them with the -ui flag while hideConsoleWindows is true?


No - it changes nothing.

The engine has always been a GUI mode app on Windows - passing -ui just
means it doesn't ever create windows (for all intents and purposes).

The tweak (which was made a long time ago - probably in the 4.x series)
just means that if you happen to launch a standalone from the command
prompt in windows, then if it does write to stdout / stderr, then you
see what is written in the console it was launched from.

It still detaches (as all GUI mode apps do), and won't block the
calling terminal - because that is what GUI mode apps do on Windows.

Unfortunately (as the linked articles mention) it is not possible
to change this behavior after the app is launched - the OS decides
what to do when it is launched by looking at what SUBSYSTEM is marked
in the EXE.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Thanks for that background, Mark.

Please help me better understand the implications: does this change
mean that we can no longer run standalones facelessly on Windows by just
calling them with the -ui flag while hideConsoleWindows is true?

I have a number of apps that provide both GUI and faceless modes, mostly
installers but a few others.

What version did this change premier in?

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Mark Waddingham wrote:

Hi Malte,

On 2017-05-04 20:34, Malte Brill via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

has anybody successfully done this? Especially on Windows? I would
like to launch a livecode built application from a liveCode server
script and get the output back (on a Server that I control) Is that
possible? If so, how?

The problem here is a Windows 'limitation' (well design decision
really).

Windows has two types of executable - console mode and GUI mode.
LiveCode
is a GUI mode application, which means that it detaches from the console
and does not work in the way you would expect when run from the
command-line.

Now, a while I back I added a wee bit of code to the engine to make it
still do something console-y on Windows: on startup it attempts to
'AttachConsole'
which at least means the engine can access the console handles it was
created
with when doing stdout/stderr/stdin type stuff. However, the limitation
here
is that the process is still 'detached' from the parent and so does not
necessarily block open process or shell. (This was done IIRC as a
request
from Roger Eller - I can't remember the exact reasons, but the code
added
seemed to help his specific case, at least).

There's plenty of stuff about this around - Raymend Chen has plenty to
say about it. One notable article being:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643

Now, one thing he links to from here is:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/junfeng/2004/02/06/how-to-make-an-application-as-both-gui-and-console-application/

You could try using editbin.exe to change the subsystem type
(editbin.exe is
installed with any of the Visual Studio releases, or tools):

EDITBIN.EXE /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE

Then see if this works in the way you want... It might...

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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?


Paul Dupuis wrote:

> On 5/5/2017 10:29 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Paul Dupuis wrote:
>>
>> > Outbound standard http connections on port 80 should NOT be block -
>> > BY DEFAULT - but I just ran into a customer at a commercial
>> > research site where the company block ALL internet connections
>> > except those to pre-approved web sites, so some places have really
>> > extreme internet security practices.
>>
>> Seems perhaps overkill for a research company to block most of the
>> web. ;)
>>
> Just a tad bit, and yet, I could email the customer - at their company
> email address, attachments including an EXE. Someone at this place did
> not think their IT security through at all =-O

OMG.

Tip for anyone here looking to expand their careers, or help young 
people get started:  the future is in security.


Hundreds of thousands of jobs currently unfillable for lack of available 
talent.


Consider CSSP or other relevant certifications, and the world is your 
oyster.


This is the dangerous climate we're in in the meantime:



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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Mike Bonner wrote:

> Is there a specific reason you need to use a built exe for this?  lc
> server can use stack files (start using path/to/stack) as well as
> "include"ing or "require"ing extra script files, so unless you're
> using functionality only available in the desktop version of lc, you
> might be able to bypass the need to shell to your exe.  This keeps
> the nice benefit of having instanced runs controlled by a nice solid
> apache server.

My understanding is that LC Server has no event loop, and libURL needs 
that because all of its HTTP handling is done asynchronously (sync 
operations are emulated with an internal flag), which would require an 
event loop to process.

One option might be to write your own replacement for the portions of 
libURL needed, and I started down this road a while back so I could get 
truly synchronous operations.  However, since web servers are 
increasingly using HTTPS, the overhead of handling TLS was more 
time-consuming than I cared to bother with.

If someone else has time on their hands it might be useful to have such 
a lib, but now that tsNet is in v8+ the use cases for it would seem limited.

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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.


I think I see the problem here:

Any program that can read from stdin and write to stdout can be used as 
a CGI, and this includes LC standalones...


- BUT -

LC Server scripts are incompatible with LC Script on the desktop.

In fact, it's that incompatibility that made me switch back to using 
standalones for server work many years ago, so it's possible to test and 
debug scripts locally without needing to run them in a server 
configuration and pray that I never need to debug them. ;)


But switching back to what Jacque and I like to think of as "LC Classic 
CGI" means updating scripts that had been written for LC Server's unique 
syntax to be compatible with LC Script as implemented in the desktop.


The upside is that LC Script as implemented in the standalone engine is 
of course fully compatible with the IDE, leading us to just one rule 
that may clarify issues when porting scripts from LC Server:


   If you can run it on your desktop, you can run it on your server.
   And if you can't run in on your desktop, it won't run on your server.

Using the desktop engine facelessly on the server gives us all the 
flexibility we enjoy with LC, which also means we have many ways things 
can be set up to execute.  Too many to write here.


If you have only one script you'll ever need, you can put it in a 
startup handler in the standalone itself.


But I find I use LC standalones so often that I prefer to make a 
standalone that's very slender, containing only enough code to read 
whatever library stack file is specified in the CGI file called, and 
then the standalone runs "start using" with that, and the library 
handles everything from there in a libraryStack handler.


Whether the code is in the standalone itself or in a separate stack 
file, either way you can't use LC Server's "" tags in any 
normal LC Script execution other than in LC Server.


So one way to port your LC Server script below to normal LC Script which 
can be run from the IDE or a standalone would be:



--===--
local sOutputBuffer

on startup
   cgiStart
   DoTheDeed
   cgiEnd
end startup


on cgiStart
   -- Here you load any libs you need, read any CGI environment
   -- variables you might need, etc.:

end cgiStart

on DoTheDeed
   set the shellCommand to "CMD"
   put "" into sOutputBuffer
   put the time  after sOutputBuffer
   put "" after sOutputBuffer
   put Quote & "thes.exe" & Quote &&"-ui" into tShell
   try
  get shell(tShell)
  put "Result:" && the result & cr &"It:" && it after sOutputBuffer
  put "" after sOutputBuffer
  open process tShell for binary read
 read from process tShell until EOF
 put "Result:" && the result & cr &"It:" && it after sOutputBuffer
 put "" after sOutputBuffer
  catch theErr
 put theErr
 end try
 put cr after sOutputBuffer
 put the time after sOutputBuffer
 put "" after sOutputBuffer
end DoTheDeed


on cgiEnd
  put len( sOutputBuffer ) into tLen
  --  Send header:
  put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr &\
 "Date:" && the internet date & cr &\
 "Host:" && $SERVER_NAME & cr &\
 "Content-Length:"&& tLen  into tHeader
  put tHeader
  --  Send body:
  put sOutputBuffer
  -- All done:
  quit
end cgiEnd


Note a couple of key difference between normal LC Script here and the 
specialized form usable only in LC Server:


- Here the "put" command writes immediately to stdout, whereas
  in LC Server it writes to an internal buffer.

- LC Server writes the required HTTP header for us, whereas we need
  to write that ourselves when using the desktop engine.

So as you see above, rather than using naked "put" commands we instead 
put into sOutputBuffer, and then write our header before sending it.


There are other differences as well, such as the enhanced implicit merge 
operation done automatically with LC Server files vs. the need to 
explicitly call the more limited merge function when processing files 
that mix code and HTML.  But since you're not doing that we can leave 
that for another time.


Keep us posted with how it goes.  I use standalones on a wide range of 
systems, including one that needs to exchange data with a client's auth 
server, so I know the sorts of things you want to do are quite 
achievable once you get oriented to moving back to normal LC Script for 
standalones.



Tip: For local development it takes only a couple minutes to create a 
sort of "server emulator", which sets up any environment variables your 
script will be able to get from Apache by just loading them with useful 
values yourself.  In my setup I use a global in lieu of a socket 
connection in my emulator, so I can pass in POST data and get back the 
reply all within the IDE, and with complete debugging capabilities.


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Malte Brill wrote:


has anybody successfully done this? Especially on Windows? I would
like to launch a livecode built application from a liveCode server
script and get the output

Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

2017-05-05 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

I read your post a bit closer. Can you just repeat for each line tLine in 
tText, then increment a counter and use the counter as the key in the array? 

Bob S

put "Bob" & cr & "Andy" & cr & "Fred" into tText
repeat for each line tWord in tText
add 1 to tCount
put tWord into myArray [tCount]
end repeat


> On May 5, 2017, at 07:52 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob, can you do a custom sort using order by with sqlite?  I did some
> digging and see a way, but for this purpose it seems complicated and I'm
> wondering if there is something better than what I found. Basically what I
> found was this..
> 
> ORDER BY
>  CASE ID
>WHEN 4 THEN 0
>WHEN 3 THEN 1
>WHEN 1 THEN 2
>WHEN 5 THEN 3
>WHEN 6 THEN 4
>  END
> 
> So to my thinking one would build a large "order by" with all the
> words and their associated line numbers so you could do
> 
> WHEN 'myfirstword' THEN 0.. etc for each word and its line number in
> the list.  (Always interested in new ways)


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Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

2017-05-05 Thread Jim Lambert via use-livecode

Might a numbered array work for you, where the key corresponds to the line 
number?

[1][theWordonLineOne][otherData]
[2][theWordonLineTwo][otherData]

Jim Lambert



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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?

2017-05-05 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode

On 5/5/2017 10:29 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Paul Dupuis wrote:
>
> > Outbound standard http connections on port 80 should NOT be block -
> > BY DEFAULT - but I just ran into a customer at a commercial research
> > site where the company block ALL internet connections except those
> > to pre-approved web sites, so some places have really extreme
> > internet security practices.
>
> Seems perhaps overkill for a research company to block most of the
> web. ;)
>
Just a tad bit, and yet, I could email the customer - at their company
email address, attachments including an EXE. Someone at this place did
not think their IT security through at all =-O



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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?

2017-05-05 Thread Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode

Thank you all; this gives me a start!

Peter

> On May 5, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:06 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have a user who seems to have a good Internet connection, but my
>> Livecode application can’t connect to a remote server using http.
>> 
>> He’s on Windows. Is it possible that some virus protection software blocks
>> such connections?
>> 
>> He’s an older user, far away, and I really don’t know what he has
>> installed.
> 
> 
> Proxy servers can cause problems for libURL. I would suggest asking if his
> computer is configured to use a proxy server.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?

2017-05-05 Thread Trevor DeVore via use-livecode

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:06 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> I have a user who seems to have a good Internet connection, but my
> Livecode application can’t connect to a remote server using http.
>
> He’s on Windows. Is it possible that some virus protection software blocks
> such connections?
>
> He’s an older user, far away, and I really don’t know what he has
> installed.


Proxy servers can cause problems for libURL. I would suggest asking if his
computer is configured to use a proxy server.

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Re: Image Caching / defaultfolder weirdness


On 2017-05-05 14:33, Phil Jimmieson via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,
I’ve got an application for Mac and PC which has been developed over a
number of years and versions of LiveCode and I’m currently trying to
build it with LiveCode 8 on MacOS 10.12.


If you are using referenced images (those with filename) then relative
paths will be resolved relative to the folder containing the stack they 
are on

first (or should be at least!)

If the stack is the mainstack of the standalone (and thus built into
the exe) then the folder containing the exe (not the app bundle!) is 
used.


So - what is the structure of your app on disk?

Does it work on either platform as it stands?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

Bob, can you do a custom sort using order by with sqlite?  I did some
digging and see a way, but for this purpose it seems complicated and I'm
wondering if there is something better than what I found. Basically what I
found was this..

ORDER BY
  CASE ID
WHEN 4 THEN 0
WHEN 3 THEN 1
WHEN 1 THEN 2
WHEN 5 THEN 3
WHEN 6 THEN 4
  END

So to my thinking one would build a large "order by" with all the
words and their associated line numbers so you could do

WHEN 'myfirstword' THEN 0.. etc for each word and its line number in
the list.  (Always interested in new ways)


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Why not load the array into a memory sqlite database and query using order
> by?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On May 5, 2017, at 02:30 , Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a list field of words and a correspondent array with the words of
> the
> > field as the keys plus some data per key. I can store the array in a
> file,
> > read it later from file and rebuild the list of words from the keys of
> the
> > array. Up to now, I had this list of words alphabetically sorted. So it
> was
> > easy, when reloading the array to sort the list always alphabetically to
> > refresh the visible list in the field.
> >
> > The user can also create a custom sequence of the words in the field by
> drag
> > and drop the lines in individual order. Now I am looking for a smart
> > approach to keep the same sort order in the correspondent array. I need
> the
> > custom sort order of the words in case I reload the array later from
> file to
> > get the same sequence of words as the user has sorted them, after
> extracting
> > the words from the array. The key of the array has to keep the words from
> > the list for accessing the data in the array.
> >
> > As far as I see it, I have to add an additional item to the array data,
> > storing the sort sequence of the keys, while the user creates his custom
> > sequence of the words in the list field and keeping this number always
> > synchronous to the line number of the fields list. So I could use this
> "sort
> > sequence number" from the array to rebuild the same sort of the words
> when
> > extracting the words from the array.
> >
> > Would this be the best approach to keep the sort sequence of the words
> > stored with the array, or do you see an easier more straight forward
> > approach to keep the array "synchronous sorted" which I don't see right
> now?
> >
> > Thanks for your input
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Image Caching / defaultfolder weirdness

2017-05-05 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

Are your image objects linked to the image files on disk? If so, then include 
the folder containing your images in your stack files section of the stack 
properties. That works for me. 

Also I am sketchy on how you are building the standalone. If you set up your 
stack files properly there will be no need to move anything around. The Save As 
Standalone process will make copies of your images and dynamically link the 
image objects to the copies. 

Bob S


> On May 5, 2017, at 05:33 , Phil Jimmieson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I’ve got an application for Mac and PC which has been developed over a number 
> of years and versions of LiveCode and I’m currently trying to build it with 
> LiveCode 8 on MacOS 10.12. 
> 
> A single folder contains both my App and some other folders that contain 
> supporting materials - images etc. In order to use these image resources I 
> use image objects in my app that have relative filenames and in the 
> preopenstack handler of the mainstack I set the defaultfolder to be the 
> folder containing my app and the support folders.  I can work on my app in 
> the IDE (where the LiveCode source file is in the folder rather than a 
> compiled app) and all is fine. Images display properly, text files etc. are 
> all in (relative) place. When I compile the App with LiveCode 8 and put that 
> in the folder with the resources, all of my images are broken. I’m guessing 
> that LiveCode is attempting to load them before the defaultfolder is set 
> correctly and just not finding them (I think the initial value for the 
> defaultfolder in a compiled MacOS app is the location of the binary - which 
> is deep inside the app bundle - not the correct place to look for my support 
> folders).
> 
> Has anyone else seen this and have a solution? Aside from making sure the 
> defaultfolder was correct there was no need to do anything else in LiveCode 7 
> and below. Am I going to have to go through all of my graphics as the 
> application starts up and replace their filenames with valid absolute paths 
> or something?
> 
> LiveCode 9 has exactly the same issue. 

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Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

2017-05-05 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

Why not load the array into a memory sqlite database and query using order by? 

Bob S


> On May 5, 2017, at 02:30 , Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a list field of words and a correspondent array with the words of the
> field as the keys plus some data per key. I can store the array in a file,
> read it later from file and rebuild the list of words from the keys of the
> array. Up to now, I had this list of words alphabetically sorted. So it was
> easy, when reloading the array to sort the list always alphabetically to
> refresh the visible list in the field.
> 
> The user can also create a custom sequence of the words in the field by drag
> and drop the lines in individual order. Now I am looking for a smart
> approach to keep the same sort order in the correspondent array. I need the
> custom sort order of the words in case I reload the array later from file to
> get the same sequence of words as the user has sorted them, after extracting
> the words from the array. The key of the array has to keep the words from
> the list for accessing the data in the array.
> 
> As far as I see it, I have to add an additional item to the array data,
> storing the sort sequence of the keys, while the user creates his custom
> sequence of the words in the list field and keeping this number always
> synchronous to the line number of the fields list. So I could use this "sort
> sequence number" from the array to rebuild the same sort of the words when
> extracting the words from the array.
> 
> Would this be the best approach to keep the sort sequence of the words
> stored with the array, or do you see an easier more straight forward
> approach to keep the array "synchronous sorted" which I don't see right now?
> 
> Thanks for your input
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Hi Malte,

On 2017-05-04 20:34, Malte Brill via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

The problem here is a Windows 'limitation' (well design decision
really).

Windows has two types of executable - console mode and GUI mode.
LiveCode

is a GUI mode application, which means that it detaches from the console
and does not work in the way you would expect when run from the
command-line.

is that the process is still 'detached' from the parent and so does not
necessarily block open process or shell. (This was done IIRC as a
request
from Roger Eller - I can't remember the exact reasons, but the code
added

seemed to help his specific case, at least).

There's plenty of stuff about this around - Raymend Chen has plenty to
say about it. One notable article being:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643

Now, one thing he links to from here is:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/junfeng/2004/02/06/how-to-make-an-application-as-both-gui-and-console-application/

You could try using editbin.exe to change the subsystem type
(editbin.exe is

installed with any of the Visual Studio releases, or tools):

EDITBIN.EXE /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE

Then see if this works in the way you want... It might...

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?


Paul Dupuis wrote:

> Outbound standard http connections on port 80 should NOT be block -
> BY DEFAULT - but I just ran into a customer at a commercial research
> site where the company block ALL internet connections except those
> to pre-approved web sites, so some places have really extreme
> internet security practices.

Seems perhaps overkill for a research company to block most of the web. ;)

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Re: Image Caching / defaultfolder weirdness

2017-05-05 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode

Can you use the specialfolderpath function to get the correct locations of your 
resources on various os's?
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On May 5, 2017, at 5:33 AM, Phil Jimmieson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I’ve got an application for Mac and PC which has been developed over a number 
> of years and versions of LiveCode and I’m currently trying to build it with 
> LiveCode 8 on MacOS 10.12. 
> 
> A single folder contains both my App and some other folders that contain 
> supporting materials - images etc. In order to use these image resources I 
> use image objects in my app that have relative filenames and in the 
> preopenstack handler of the mainstack I set the defaultfolder to be the 
> folder containing my app and the support folders.  I can work on my app in 
> the IDE (where the LiveCode source file is in the folder rather than a 
> compiled app) and all is fine. Images display properly, text files etc. are 
> all in (relative) place. When I compile the App with LiveCode 8 and put that 
> in the folder with the resources, all of my images are broken. I’m guessing 
> that LiveCode is attempting to load them before the defaultfolder is set 
> correctly and just not finding them (I think the initial value for the 
> defaultfolder in a compiled MacOS app is the location of the binary - which 
> is deep inside the app bundle - not the correct place to look for my support 
> folders).
> 
> Has anyone else seen this and have a solution? Aside from making sure the 
> defaultfolder was correct there was no need to do anything else in LiveCode 7 
> and below. Am I going to have to go through all of my graphics as the 
> application starts up and replace their filenames with valid absolute paths 
> or something?
> 
> LiveCode 9 has exactly the same issue. 
> 
> --
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> Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street
> Liverpool L69 3BX  http://intranet.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
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> 
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Is there a specific reason you need to use a built exe for this?  lc server
can use stack files (start using path/to/stack) as well as "include"ing or
"require"ing extra script files, so unless you're using functionality only
available in the desktop version of lc, you might be able to bypass the
need to shell to your exe.  This keeps the nice benefit of having instanced
runs controlled by a nice solid apache server.


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Malte Brill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> indeed, I have considdered that. But I have no experience on how this
> would behave. Actually what I was trying to do is reducing the involved
> components, instead of introducing more and more over the course of
> building the system. LC - Server came natural there, as it would have
> allowed me to use liveCode inline and having the proven stability of
> Apache, which is needed for other purposes in the project also. It is so
> unfortunate, that LC-server gets me to 95% of what I need to do and then
> you need to revise your decisions, because some things that you would
> expect to work, just won’t. I can most certainly move everything that is
> needed into a liveCode client, but I would not want to do that because of
> apllication design reasons. Pitty. If I were to set up a faceless app as a
> service / daemon, I am not too sure if I would do it in LC, given that it
> would be a single threaded process and I might need concurrency. The pretty
> part of the CGI approach is that it starts an instance per connection that
> then can act individually. Well, back to whiteboard I guess.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Malte
>
>
>
> > Have you considered running a faceless Desktop app as a service, having
> it watch for a socket message, or a file, or even clipboard content to
> signal it to do something. You could keep an account signed in with an app
> running -with-or-without a UI.
> >
>
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

2017-05-05 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode

Could you have the LC Script pass a temp file name to the helper app 
which can then write to that file rather than stdout ? (maybe not really 
a "temp file", but simply a file chosen by the LC Server script based on 
current millisecs time or some such thing, and deleted after everything 
is finished.)


And the LC Server script can simply wait until the helper is done, and 
then read the file (and then delete it).


Alex.


On 04/05/2017 19:34, Malte Brill via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

has anybody successfully done this? Especially on Windows? I would like to 
launch a livecode built application from a liveCode server script and get the 
output back (on a Server that I control) Is that possible? If so, how?

I tried a couple of things to no avail:

"
   put the time
   put ""
   put Quote & "thes.exe" & Quote &&"-ui" into tShell
   try
 get shell(tShell)
 put "Result:" && the result & cr &"It:" && it
 put ""
 open process tShell for binary read
read from process tShell until EOF
put "Result:" && the result & cr &"It:" && it
put ""
   catch theErr
   put theErr
end try
put cr
put the time
put ""
?>

the helper app: In the stack script:

on startup
   send "boo" to me in 500 millisecs
   — to make sure all libs are loaded
end startup

on boo
   quit
end boo

on shutdown
   write "boo" to stdout
end shutdown

Thanks for all input I can get…

Malte


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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?

2017-05-05 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode


It seems that your application is blocked by a firewall. Either the Windows 
firewall or maybe a 3rd party security software.
But it is unlikely that the security  software just blocks your app w/o having 
asked at least once if the user wants to allow outgoing connections for that 
app.
Some settings in the security software might suppress any further notification 
that the software was blocked. Your user has to check the firewall settings if 
the app is listed a permanently locked and if so to change that settings.

In F-Secure Client security for example this can be found under 
Settings/Network Connections/Application Control. Unfortunately each 
manufacture has its own place where they store that settings.

Regards,

Matthias





> Am 05.05.2017 um 06:05 schrieb Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a user who seems to have a good Internet connection, but my Livecode 
> application can’t connect to a remote server using http.
> 
> He’s on Windows. Is it possible that some virus protection software blocks 
> such connections?
> 
> He’s an older user, far away, and I really don’t know what he has installed.
> 
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RE: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

2017-05-05 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode

I am running my Android Remote Tester LC app as a Windows Service on Win 10. It 
has a UI for debugging/examining operation when run in the Windows UI and this 
UI does not cause any problems when running as a service. I just startup up 
everything in the preopenstack. This app does socket communications for user 
requests and performs various functions including shelling out to the OS and 
returning the result back to the client. It's been very reliable while running 
as a service and has never has any mysterious crashes. This app supports multi 
user connections. I use the socket address as an index into an array for 
session context. As it is single threaded, it has to finish one request before 
it can work on the next but does not have the overhead of starting up a new 
process for each connection/request. Could this work for you?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
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Malte Brill via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 8:36 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Malte Brill
Subject: Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a 
result. 

Hi Roger,

indeed, I have considdered that. But I have no experience on how this would 
behave. Actually what I was trying to do is reducing the involved components, 
instead of introducing more and more over the course of building the system. LC 
- Server came natural there, as it would have allowed me to use liveCode inline 
and having the proven stability of Apache, which is needed for other purposes 
in the project also. It is so unfortunate, that LC-server gets me to 95% of 
what I need to do and then you need to revise your decisions, because some 
things that you would expect to work, just won’t. I can most certainly move 
everything that is needed into a liveCode client, but I would not want to do 
that because of apllication design reasons. Pitty. If I were to set up a 
faceless app as a service / daemon, I am not too sure if I would do it in LC, 
given that it would be a single threaded process and I might need concurrency. 
The pretty part of the CGI approach is that it starts an instance per 
connection that then can act individually. Well, back to whiteboard I guess.

Thanks a lot,

Malte



> Have you considered running a faceless Desktop app as a service, having it 
> watch for a socket message, or a file, or even clipboard content to signal it 
> to do something. You could keep an account signed in with an app running 
> -with-or-without a UI. 
> 

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Image Caching / defaultfolder weirdness

2017-05-05 Thread Phil Jimmieson via use-livecode

Hi folks,
I’ve got an application for Mac and PC which has been developed over a number 
of years and versions of LiveCode and I’m currently trying to build it with 
LiveCode 8 on MacOS 10.12. 

A single folder contains both my App and some other folders that contain 
supporting materials - images etc. In order to use these image resources I use 
image objects in my app that have relative filenames and in the preopenstack 
handler of the mainstack I set the defaultfolder to be the folder containing my 
app and the support folders.  I can work on my app in the IDE (where the 
LiveCode source file is in the folder rather than a compiled app) and all is 
fine. Images display properly, text files etc. are all in (relative) place. 
When I compile the App with LiveCode 8 and put that in the folder with the 
resources, all of my images are broken. I’m guessing that LiveCode is 
attempting to load them before the defaultfolder is set correctly and just not 
finding them (I think the initial value for the defaultfolder in a compiled 
MacOS app is the location of the binary - which is deep inside the app bundle - 
not the correct place to look for my support folders).

Has anyone else seen this and have a solution? Aside from making sure the 
defaultfolder was correct there was no need to do anything else in LiveCode 7 
and below. Am I going to have to go through all of my graphics as the 
application starts up and replace their filenames with valid absolute paths or 
something?

LiveCode 9 has exactly the same issue. 

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Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Hi Roger,

indeed, I have considdered that. But I have no experience on how this would 
behave. Actually what I was trying to do is reducing the involved components, 
instead of introducing more and more over the course of building the system. LC 
- Server came natural there, as it would have allowed me to use liveCode inline 
and having the proven stability of Apache, which is needed for other purposes 
in the project also. It is so unfortunate, that LC-server gets me to 95% of 
what I need to do and then you need to revise your decisions, because some 
things that you would expect to work, just won’t. I can most certainly move 
everything that is needed into a liveCode client, but I would not want to do 
that because of apllication design reasons. Pitty. If I were to set up a 
faceless app as a service / daemon, I am not too sure if I would do it in LC, 
given that it would be a single threaded process and I might need concurrency. 
The pretty part of the CGI approach is that it starts an instance per 
connection that then can act individually. Well, back to whiteboard I guess.

Thanks a lot,

Malte



> Have you considered running a faceless Desktop app as a service, having it 
> watch for a socket message, or a file, or even clipboard content to signal it 
> to do something. You could keep an account signed in with an app running 
> -with-or-without a UI. 
> 

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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

2017-05-05 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode

Have you considered running a faceless Desktop app as a service, having it
watch for a socket message, or a file, or even clipboard content to signal
it to do something.  You could keep an account signed in with an app
running -with-or-without a UI.

~Roger

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Malte Brill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dan, but that is not what I am after…
>
> I have a server side liveCode application, which needs to talk to a couple
> of webservices from time to time. While this works nicely on the desktop,
> it does not do so on Server, as Server lacks some libURL functionality.
> First workaround was to shell out to cURL. This works nicely on Mac and
> Linux servers, but forever reason fails under Windows Server, which I need
> to support. So the next thought was to call a liveCode executable -ui when
> needed, but I do not get a result back there. I will not want to have a
> liveCode standalone running 24/7 on a server machine. I guess the easiest
> way out is to simply kill off the idea to treat liveCode server as a
> replacement for PHP and just bite the bullet and build everything in PHP
> instead. Or start an initiative to get libURL ported to server. I already
> talked to the guys in Scottland to see if this would be feasible, but it
> would cost a bit more than I could afford alone. I might just go with
> having the single command implemented I would need for the project
> (libURLLastRHHeaders), which then would also lift the requirements for
> having to use cURL or any other helper app in my case, but I am not quite
> sure if that makes sense…
>
> Would anybody else like to see libURL feature parity between Desktop and
> Server engines and if so be willing to set up a fundraiser with me for this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte
>
> > You can communicate between server and desktop using sockets. Chatrev is
> a
> > good example of this
> > http://www.bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=chatrev
>
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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?

2017-05-05 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode

I should have added that WHEN windows firewall does block something, a
message typically appears warning the user, so if that is what is
happening, your user should be seeing some sort of error message from
Windows.

On 5/5/2017 7:03 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am not sure what sort of connection you are doing to your server, but
> both OSX's Firewall and Windows Firewall will try to block *incoming*
> connections to an app (for example, if you have your app listening for
> an incoming connection using the 'accept' command. Outbound standard
> http connections on port 80 should NOT be block - BY DEFAULT - but I
> just ran into a customer at a commercial research site where the company
> block ALL internet connections except those to pre-approved web sites,
> so some places have really extreme internet security practices.
>
>
>  On 5/5/2017 12:05 AM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a user who seems to have a good Internet connection, but my Livecode 
>> application can’t connect to a remote server using http.
>>
>> He’s on Windows. Is it possible that some virus protection software blocks 
>> such connections?
>>
>> He’s an older user, far away, and I really don’t know what he has installed.
>>
>> Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: http calls blocked by virus protection?

2017-05-05 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode

I am not sure what sort of connection you are doing to your server, but
both OSX's Firewall and Windows Firewall will try to block *incoming*
connections to an app (for example, if you have your app listening for
an incoming connection using the 'accept' command. Outbound standard
http connections on port 80 should NOT be block - BY DEFAULT - but I
just ran into a customer at a commercial research site where the company
block ALL internet connections except those to pre-approved web sites,
so some places have really extreme internet security practices.

 On 5/5/2017 12:05 AM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a user who seems to have a good Internet connection, but my Livecode 
> application can’t connect to a remote server using http.
>
> He’s on Windows. Is it possible that some virus protection software blocks 
> such connections?
>
> He’s an older user, far away, and I really don’t know what he has installed.
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Hi Charles,

thanks a lot for the information. I am afraid I can not use it in this context, 
as this is for an Open Source project. For other things this might be an option.

Cheers,

Malte

> Hi Malte,
> 
> If you are able to use the commercial version of LC server, the tsNet 
> external is supported which provides equivalent functionality to libUrl.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

2017-05-05 Thread Charles Warwick via use-livecode


Hi Malte,

If you are able to use the commercial version of LC server, the tsNet 
external is supported which provides equivalent functionality to libUrl.


Regards,

Charles


On 5/05/2017 8:48 PM, Malte Brill via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks Dan, but that is not what I am after…

I have a server side liveCode application, which needs to talk to a couple of 
webservices from time to time. While this works nicely on the desktop, it does 
not do so on Server, as Server lacks some libURL functionality. First 
workaround was to shell out to cURL. This works nicely on Mac and Linux 
servers, but forever reason fails under Windows Server, which I need to 
support. So the next thought was to call a liveCode executable -ui when needed, 
but I do not get a result back there. I will not want to have a liveCode 
standalone running 24/7 on a server machine. I guess the easiest way out is to 
simply kill off the idea to treat liveCode server as a replacement for PHP and 
just bite the bullet and build everything in PHP instead. Or start an 
initiative to get libURL ported to server. I already talked to the guys in 
Scottland to see if this would be feasible, but it would cost a bit more than I 
could afford alone. I might just go with having the single command implemented 
I would need for the project (libURLLastRHHeaders), which then would also lift 
the requirements for having to use cURL or any other helper app in my case, but 
I am not quite sure if that makes sense…

Would anybody else like to see libURL feature parity between Desktop and Server 
engines and if so be willing to set up a fundraiser with me for this?

Cheers,

Malte


You can communicate between server and desktop using sockets. Chatrev is a
good example of this
http://www.bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=chatrev


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RE: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

Thanks Dan, but that is not what I am after…

I have a server side liveCode application, which needs to talk to a couple of 
webservices from time to time. While this works nicely on the desktop, it does 
not do so on Server, as Server lacks some libURL functionality. First 
workaround was to shell out to cURL. This works nicely on Mac and Linux 
servers, but forever reason fails under Windows Server, which I need to 
support. So the next thought was to call a liveCode executable -ui when needed, 
but I do not get a result back there. I will not want to have a liveCode 
standalone running 24/7 on a server machine. I guess the easiest way out is to 
simply kill off the idea to treat liveCode server as a replacement for PHP and 
just bite the bullet and build everything in PHP instead. Or start an 
initiative to get libURL ported to server. I already talked to the guys in 
Scottland to see if this would be feasible, but it would cost a bit more than I 
could afford alone. I might just go with having the single command implemented 
I would need for the project (libURLLastRHHeaders), which then would also lift 
the requirements for having to use cURL or any other helper app in my case, but 
I am not quite sure if that makes sense…

Would anybody else like to see libURL feature parity between Desktop and Server 
engines and if so be willing to set up a fundraiser with me for this?

Cheers,

Malte

> You can communicate between server and desktop using sockets. Chatrev is a
> good example of this 
> http://www.bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=chatrev


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AW: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

2017-05-05 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode

Nice idea, much easier, as my idea
Thanks Mike!
Tiemo

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An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Mike Bonner 
Betreff: Re: looking for a smart approach to "sort" an array

It might be easiest to just have a single separate key that contains the
user sorted list, then use the data of that key itself to access the rest of
the array.

So if you have 5 keys, word1,word2,word3,word4,word5, but the user orders
them in reverse, your sorted words single key would contain
word5
word4
word3
word2
word1

Then to get everything back out in the right order one could use a repeat
for each line repeat loop on that key like so.

repeat for each line tKey in myArrayA["sortedWords"]
-- do whatever with each one myArrayA[tKey].
end repeat

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a list field of words and a correspondent array with the words 
> of the field as the keys plus some data per key. I can store the array 
> in a file, read it later from file and rebuild the list of words from 
> the keys of the array. Up to now, I had this list of words 
> alphabetically sorted. So it was easy, when reloading the array to 
> sort the list always alphabetically to refresh the visible list in the 
> field.
>
> The user can also create a custom sequence of the words in the field 
> by drag and drop the lines in individual order. Now I am looking for a 
> smart approach to keep the same sort order in the correspondent array. 
> I need the custom sort order of the words in case I reload the array 
> later from file to get the same sequence of words as the user has 
> sorted them, after extracting the words from the array. The key of the 
> array has to keep the words from the list for accessing the data in 
> the array.
>
> As far as I see it, I have to add an additional item to the array 
> data, storing the sort sequence of the keys, while the user creates 
> his custom sequence of the words in the list field and keeping this 
> number always synchronous to the line number of the fields list. So I 
> could use this "sort sequence number" from the array to rebuild the 
> same sort of the words when extracting the words from the array.
>
> Would this be the best approach to keep the sort sequence of the words 
> stored with the array, or do you see an easier more straight forward 
> approach to keep the array "synchronous sorted" which I don't see 
> right now?
>
> Thanks for your input
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
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