Re: mousemove doesn't recognize "shiftkey is down", but only under Windows

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Does the same thing happen with VMware?

not that I have any plans to develop anything in Windows.
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:16 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just wanted to mention that the problem detecting the shift-key being
> down seems to be entirely an issue with Parallels. My test, running under
> Windows 10 on a real PC had no trouble with my code that was looking for
> the shift-key being down. I'm glad to see this problem wasn't within
> LiveCode. There are so many layers where something can go wrong, it can be
> a challenge identifying exactly where the problem is happening. It must be
> a pretty specific issue with Parallels that only manifests by ignoring the
> shift key.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM Howard Bornstein 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:50 PM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Howard:
> >>
> >>  > All my test show that for the Shift key and the Option key, when
> >>  > called within a mousemove handler, it doesn't register that the
> >>  > keys are down unless the mouse button is clicked first.
> >>
> >> Hi Howard, I tested your code verbatim in the card script of a new stack
> >> in LC 901 on native Windows 10 with a real PC laptop, Dell Intel i5.
> >>
> >> It works fine here.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for testing this out.
> >
> >
> >> I also noticed that since "shiftkey" only has two
> >> states, you don't really need to test it twice; you could cut out the
> >> second "if" statement. In fact, this yields similar results:
> >>
> >> on mousemove x,y
> >>   put x,y && the shiftkey
> >> end mousemove
> >>
> >
> > Lol. Yeah, I wasn't trying for elegance. I was making sure the code and
> > results were absolutely clear.
> >
> >
> >> So, despite the very significant issues that LC 9 has on real Windows,
> >> including a barely-usable script editor, it seems likely that this is
> >> not one of them. That's good news! But obviously you do have a problem.
> >>
> >> Have you tested your code in a brand new empty stack in a fresh and
> >> unmodded instance of LC, no extra plugins or scripts running? If so, if
> >> it's just Parallels, I have to say that virtual Windows isn't quite the
> >> same. Well, I guess an Intel Mac sporting a GUI that contradicts much of
> >> Apple's original research isn't quite the same either; I'm a big
> >> original Mac guy! :) But some details are different. That's why I always
> >> use real Mac and real Windows.
> >>
> >
> > I have friend with a real Windows machine that will test the code of the
> > app where I applied this technique so, hopefully I'll be able to see if
> it
> > works on a real PC and if the problem is Parallels. I'm a Mac guy too and
> > only use Windows to test apps built for both platforms.
> >
> >
> >> But if you get different results with a fresh stack and LC, if there is
> >> something else going on and you would like me to test your actual stack
> >> (on native Windows) or help solve your problem, feel free to contact me
> >> off-list. Interesting.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks. I'll let you know what my friend turns up.
> >
> >
> >> (Meanwhile, hope we can get improvements for some of the real Windows
> >> problems that LC has. It's difficult to type in the LC 901 script editor
> >> on Windows - that is a pretty huge issue. I have a WordLib update coming
> >> out in a few days, pending final tests, and it never hurts to have a
> >> fully usable version of the latest LC IDE on both platforms!)
> >>
> >
> > I did work a little bit in the script editor under Windows and didn't
> > notice the awful problems you've been reporting, but again, it was just
> > some tweaks and code changes. I don't do most of my scripting under
> > Windows. I hope this gets fixed.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Curry Kenworthy
> >>
> >> Custom Software Development
> >> "Better Methods, Better Results"
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Re: mousemove doesn't recognize "shiftkey is down", but only under Windows

[Howard Bornstein via use-livecode]

I just wanted to mention that the problem detecting the shift-key being
down seems to be entirely an issue with Parallels. My test, running under
Windows 10 on a real PC had no trouble with my code that was looking for
the shift-key being down. I'm glad to see this problem wasn't within
LiveCode. There are so many layers where something can go wrong, it can be
a challenge identifying exactly where the problem is happening. It must be
a pretty specific issue with Parallels that only manifests by ignoring the
shift key.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM Howard Bornstein 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:50 PM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Howard:
>>
>>  > All my test show that for the Shift key and the Option key, when
>>  > called within a mousemove handler, it doesn't register that the
>>  > keys are down unless the mouse button is clicked first.
>>
>> Hi Howard, I tested your code verbatim in the card script of a new stack
>> in LC 901 on native Windows 10 with a real PC laptop, Dell Intel i5.
>>
>> It works fine here.
>
>
> Thanks for testing this out.
>
>
>> I also noticed that since "shiftkey" only has two
>> states, you don't really need to test it twice; you could cut out the
>> second "if" statement. In fact, this yields similar results:
>>
>> on mousemove x,y
>>   put x,y && the shiftkey
>> end mousemove
>>
>
> Lol. Yeah, I wasn't trying for elegance. I was making sure the code and
> results were absolutely clear.
>
>
>> So, despite the very significant issues that LC 9 has on real Windows,
>> including a barely-usable script editor, it seems likely that this is
>> not one of them. That's good news! But obviously you do have a problem.
>>
>> Have you tested your code in a brand new empty stack in a fresh and
>> unmodded instance of LC, no extra plugins or scripts running? If so, if
>> it's just Parallels, I have to say that virtual Windows isn't quite the
>> same. Well, I guess an Intel Mac sporting a GUI that contradicts much of
>> Apple's original research isn't quite the same either; I'm a big
>> original Mac guy! :) But some details are different. That's why I always
>> use real Mac and real Windows.
>>
>
> I have friend with a real Windows machine that will test the code of the
> app where I applied this technique so, hopefully I'll be able to see if it
> works on a real PC and if the problem is Parallels. I'm a Mac guy too and
> only use Windows to test apps built for both platforms.
>
>
>> But if you get different results with a fresh stack and LC, if there is
>> something else going on and you would like me to test your actual stack
>> (on native Windows) or help solve your problem, feel free to contact me
>> off-list. Interesting.
>>
>
> Thanks. I'll let you know what my friend turns up.
>
>
>> (Meanwhile, hope we can get improvements for some of the real Windows
>> problems that LC has. It's difficult to type in the LC 901 script editor
>> on Windows - that is a pretty huge issue. I have a WordLib update coming
>> out in a few days, pending final tests, and it never hurts to have a
>> fully usable version of the latest LC IDE on both platforms!)
>>
>
> I did work a little bit in the script editor under Windows and didn't
> notice the awful problems you've been reporting, but again, it was just
> some tweaks and code changes. I don't do most of my scripting under
> Windows. I hope this gets fixed.
>
>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
>> Custom Software Development
>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
>>
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>
>
> --
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>
> Howard Bornstein
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>


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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/29/2018 03:37 PM, John McKenzie via use-livecode wrote:


control and we have all those things now. People choose to use Faceook,


...but probably only in the library the Unseen University. Heh.

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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/29/2018 05:14 PM, John McKenzie via use-livecode wrote:


  Mark, I am glad I am not the only one who remembers Lee selling us
out. I do not put more validity or faith into the project because of
him. I just mentioned him because he was doing it. Still, mostly I want
to understand it. What really is it? The article just says it is to
create something we have.


Dunno yet. The article and the others just like it have a bunch of 
startup pr hype and not much else. The Solid platform is up and the api 
should be online Real Soon Now.




  I for one say you are right to mention the DRM thing. We cannot forget.


To put it in some perspective, DRM itself isn't the problem, it's more 
the nuances involved, especially as pertains to section 1201 of the 
DMCA. Well, yes, DRM does remove all the user's rights in copyright, 
letting corporations decide what your legal rights are. But legit things 
people want to do with web technology are off limits, even talking about 
defects in DRM that expose users to privacy breaches.


Case in point: some years ago I bought a DVD, stuck it in the DVD player 
connected to the aux input of my TV, and found that I couldn't view it 
because the TV had integrated anti-piracy software. The TV was a combo 
TV and VCR, so obviously I was going to copy the DVD to videocassette 
(remember this was some years ago) and the system was helpfully going to 
stop me. The only way I could view the DVD was to rip it to a digital 
file and watch it on the computer. Forced into piracy even though I had 
purchased all the equipment and content. (OK - according the modern 
EULAs I don't actually own anything, but that's a different subject. But 
related.)


from Cory Doctorow's report from last year:

EFF proposed a simple compromise: extend the W3C's existing membership 
agreement (whose patent rules make DRM possible in the first place) so 
that W3C members couldn't sue people for bypassing DRM unless there was 
also some kind of copyright violation or other illegal act in the mix.


The DRM advocates at W3C rejected this. After a perfunctory discussion, 
they walked away from the negotiations and proceeded to ignore anyone at 
W3C or on the web who disliked the idea of corporations getting to boss 
around librarians, accessibility workers, security researchers and 
innovators.


https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/amid-unprecedented-controversy-w3c-greenlights-drm-web

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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 4:45 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> not realizing I *also* needed to replace the behaviors.
>

Yeah, the full installation of Navigator always requires the updated stack
and the behaviors folder. The Navigator stack is replicated multiple times
through the interface, so everything is a behavior.

I just got the external commands code working properly again, so that
folder might become necessary to the installation as well.

gc
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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[John McKenzie via use-livecode]

 Mark, I am glad I am not the only one who remembers Lee selling us
out. I do not put more validity or faith into the project because of
him. I just mentioned him because he was doing it. Still, mostly I want
to understand it. What really is it? The article just says it is to
create something we have.

 I for one say you are right to mention the DRM thing. We cannot forget.

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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/29/2018 04:58 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

You can also link the behaviors folder in the plugins folder to the local copy 
of the repo behaviors. Then you just need to copy the binary file when you pull 
the update from the repo.


Nice. I hadn't thought of linking the folder. I'm still amazed that user 
plugins override the builtins.


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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

Is this the same Tim Berners-Lee who, in his capacity as Director of the 
World Wide Web Consortium, a year ago overruled all objections and added 
standardized DRM to the open web standards? Sided with trillions of 
dollars worth of corporate muscle against accessibility groups, security 
experts, browser startups, public interest groups, human rights groups, 
archivists, research institutions, etc?


Pass.

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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

You can also link the behaviors folder in the plugins folder to the local copy 
of the repo behaviors. Then you just need to copy the binary file when you pull 
the update from the repo.

I go a step further (consolidate it into a single stack) but that is just my 
experiment.

Thanks,
Brian
On Sep 29, 2018, 7:45 PM -0400, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> On 09/29/2018 11:42 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> > I just checked, and at least as far as I can tell, this is fixed in my
> > current version of Navigator, and as Matthias says, going back several
> > versions. You can update by getting Navigator here
> > . Or grab it
> > from GitHub .
>
> Verified fixed. Here's what messed me up:
>
> I pulled the latest changes from github
> I realized that the binary stack didn't need building
> I sudo copied the plugin into /opt/livecode/...etc
> and then launched the IDE
>
> not realizing I *also* needed to replace the behaviors.
>
> Also, I now realize that I just need to copy the stack into my user
> plugins folder. So user stacks with the same name as system plugin
> stacks will take the place of the builtins? That's a revelation.
>
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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/29/2018 11:42 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

I just checked, and at least as far as I can tell, this is fixed in my
current version of Navigator, and as Matthias says, going back several
versions. You can update by getting Navigator here
. Or grab it
from GitHub .


Verified fixed. Here's what messed me up:

I pulled the latest changes from github
I realized that the binary stack didn't need building
I sudo copied the plugin into /opt/livecode/...etc
and then launched the IDE

not realizing I *also* needed to replace the behaviors.

Also, I now realize that I just need to copy the stack into my user 
plugins folder. So user stacks with the same name as system plugin 
stacks will take the place of the builtins? That's a revelation.


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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[John McKenzie via use-livecode]

 Tom, thanks. Was not aware of IPFS. Looks interesting. When I have
more time I must read about it in detail.

 Have not checked on Xanadu in a while. Little faith it will be further
along than last time I checked considering it was started before I was
born and how old I am. I do applaud it though and it was very
pioneering.

 This IPFS is very intriguing. Very.

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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

still they are depending on AWS?  Amazon is "the man" now...
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:57 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> 4 wordsIPFS. :D
>
> thats the future of a decentralized web :) IPFS is going to take off in the
> next 2 years like a bat out of hell, as more and more decentralized
> applications are developed on top of it and proven to work at scale.
> TBLee's tech will have to at least match IPFS or be way behind from day 1.
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:37 PM John McKenzie via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Mike, thanks for the link to the Berners-Lee article. Could somebody
> > please explain to me what he is doing as described by the article
> > though?
> >
> >  It says he is taking something decentralized like the world wide web
> > and is making it decentralized. I can do that. There I just did it.
> > Anyone can host a web server now. They talk about data and storage
> > control and we have all those things now. People choose to use Faceook,
> > not Diaspora, etc, they choose to use Google Drive not a local hard
> > drive, etc. We already have the technology and finished applications to
> > do everything mentioned in the article.
> >
> >  I do not meant to sound critical or mean I just honestly do not
> > understand the point of the article and would like to know. Or am I just
> > overthinking it and the only point is Berners-Lee has a better way to
> > program these things?
> >
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Re: [ANN] animationEngine is free now

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

yes, please stay on the list...we need your wisdom and humor.  I'm kind of
a lurker but still use LC for my quirky hybrid (but totally not shrink
wrapped) programming.  I love this culture of Rev.
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> On 9/28/18 2:15 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode wrote:
> > Today I am not doing much development work anymore. There will be one
> last try through a Kickstarter campaign in a couple of days, but if that
> fails, I’ve basically had my days in dev.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that, Malte. I'm sure your reasons are for the best
> but I wouldn't want you to disappear. Please keep in touch.
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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

4 wordsIPFS. :D

thats the future of a decentralized web :) IPFS is going to take off in the
next 2 years like a bat out of hell, as more and more decentralized
applications are developed on top of it and proven to work at scale.
TBLee's tech will have to at least match IPFS or be way behind from day 1.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:37 PM John McKenzie via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>  Mike, thanks for the link to the Berners-Lee article. Could somebody
> please explain to me what he is doing as described by the article
> though?
>
>  It says he is taking something decentralized like the world wide web
> and is making it decentralized. I can do that. There I just did it.
> Anyone can host a web server now. They talk about data and storage
> control and we have all those things now. People choose to use Faceook,
> not Diaspora, etc, they choose to use Google Drive not a local hard
> drive, etc. We already have the technology and finished applications to
> do everything mentioned in the article.
>
>  I do not meant to sound critical or mean I just honestly do not
> understand the point of the article and would like to know. Or am I just
> overthinking it and the only point is Berners-Lee has a better way to
> program these things?
>
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Re: Stacks whose names start with "rev"

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 9/29/18 1:29 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

The only limitations I know of that Navigator doesn't much solve are the
fact that "rev" stacks don't throw errors (this has cost me much pain and
suffering) and Navigator doesn't distinguish between IDE "rev" stacks and
non-IDE "rev" stacks, so enabling access to "rev" in Navigator exposes the
IDE (including all of Navigator's files).


Showing IDE stacks in lists does the same, and we were able to select 
controls via the app browser normally. The problems occured when trying 
to drag or resize those controls, which were immune to any manipulation. 
The stack was stubbornly set to mode 2 and wouldn't budge. We were able 
to manipulate objects via the message box as long as we specified a long 
path to the control. The property inspector was inconsistent in 
recognizing the target stack.


This is fairly new behavior, it used to be difficult but do-able. I'm 
not sure when it changed, since the last time we needed to edit a "rev" 
stack was about 2 years ago.


Some day I will have the time to look at Navigator more closely. I did 
give it a shot a couple of times but found the learning curve too high 
for a quick switch. I only hear good things about it though, so some day 
maybe.


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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[John McKenzie via use-livecode]

 Mike, thanks for the link to the Berners-Lee article. Could somebody
please explain to me what he is doing as described by the article
though?

 It says he is taking something decentralized like the world wide web
and is making it decentralized. I can do that. There I just did it.
Anyone can host a web server now. They talk about data and storage
control and we have all those things now. People choose to use Faceook,
not Diaspora, etc, they choose to use Google Drive not a local hard
drive, etc. We already have the technology and finished applications to
do everything mentioned in the article.

 I do not meant to sound critical or mean I just honestly do not
understand the point of the article and would like to know. Or am I just
overthinking it and the only point is Berners-Lee has a better way to
program these things?


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Re: Stacks whose names start with "rev"

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 9/28/18 3:28 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
That would seem a bug in the IDE: If there is no means why which the IDE 
allows work on stacks the IDE believes are part of the IDE, the IDE 
cannot be worked on.


I trust the team will want to resolve that ASAP.

Before submitting that bug report, it may be helpful to check both the 
cantModify and modes of the stacks disallowing normal editing.  If they 
are toplevel and cantmodify is false you have a bug in the IDE, and if 
not you have a solution to get you back to work.


CantModify is false and stack mode is 2. I tried repeatedly to set it to 
1 and wouldn't take. It's decided it's a 2 and there is no changing its 
mind.




 > But now something else is occuring, totally unintelligible. Normally
 > two stacks are open, an index stack "TSMain" and a mainstack
 > "Revelations".
 > When trying to navigate to Revelations by any method -- opening it
 > from Finder, clicking the name in the index stack, etc. -- this error
 > is thrown:
 >
 > "A stack with the same name as the one you are trying to load is
 > already open. Before loading
 > /Users//Documents//Revelations.livecode what do you
 > want to do with stack
 > /Users//Documents//TSMain.livecode, TSMain?"
 >
 > Besides the issue that the two "conflicting" stacks do not have the
 > same name, the TSMain stack is listed twice, once as a full file path
 > followed by the short name.
 >
 > Huh?

Does TSMain have anything set in its stackfiles property?  Or is the 
stackfiles property set in Revelations.livecode?


Neither stack has any stackfiles, all stacks are downloaded from the 
server on demand using a lookup file auto-generated on the server every 
hour. User history lists and glossary lookups are created using the name 
of the stack, the card, and some extra data held in script locals.


During development stacks are loaded from disk using their filenames, 
calculated according to a naming system that incorporates the stack 
name. Although the filenames are similar to the stack names, they are 
not identical. Regardless, "TSMain" in any form is not the same as 
"Revelation as Apocalypse."


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Re: [ANN] animationEngine is free now

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 9/28/18 2:15 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode wrote:

Today I am not doing much development work anymore. There will be one last try 
through a Kickstarter campaign in a couple of days, but if that fails, I’ve 
basically had my days in dev.


I'm sorry to hear that, Malte. I'm sure your reasons are for the best 
but I wouldn't want you to disappear. Please keep in touch.


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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Decentralizing control from any form of monopoly has always got to be good.

However, the monopolists have probably got the internet so firmly "by 
the prawns" I wonder

if the man's plan will work.

Richmond.

On 29.09.2018 19:38, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web



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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Reminds me of project Xanadu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu.

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>
> https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web
> --
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

I just checked, and at least as far as I can tell, this is fixed in my
current version of Navigator, and as Matthias says, going back several
versions. You can update by getting Navigator here
. Or grab it
from GitHub .

gc

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Re: [ANN] animationEngine is free now

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

What's the Kickstarter?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:15 PM Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Today I am not doing much development work anymore. There will be one last
> try through a Kickstarter campaign in a couple of days, but if that fails,
> I’ve basically had my days in dev. I will be keeping an eye on liveCode of
> course. :-) I have made quite a lot of friends on the lists and forums over
> the years, so I raise my glass to all of you.
>
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Re: [ANN] animationEngine is free now

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Maybe https://choosealicense.com could help?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:16 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Brian, thats a key thing that was missing from my understanding. thank
> you.  i can't afford a lawyer at this point, so i have to try to make the
> right decision without it. thanks.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:06 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Copyright owner can relicense at will. That is why there are contributor
> > agreements that transfer copyright to the project in many cases. Someone
> > else can’t take GPL code and change the license.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > On Sep 28, 2018, 2:59 PM -0500, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > > Hey Malte,
> > >
> > > Thanks for freeing your code and the contributions you have madeto the
> > > community.
> > >
> > > I was under the impression that once something is GPLed  it is GPL
> > > forever, and it cannot really change. Is it just a matter of the fact
> > that
> > > you yourself would never enforce the GPL license which is why you are
> > able
> > > to change the license?
> > >
> > > I'm dealing with licensing issues right now ...still confused about how
> > to
> > > dual license something...hence my question.
> > >
> > > I will keep an eye on your upcoming kickstarter to see what you are
> > > attempting to do.
> > >
> > > All the best, thank you.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:33 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > AE was my first add on purchase for LC. It did me well for so many
> > things.
> > > > Thanks Malte for all of your assistance over the years and your
> coding
> > > > prowess. All the best as you move on.
> > > >
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > > > > On 28 Sep 2018, at 20:15, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi List,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a quick announcement.
> > > > >
> > > > > I put animationEngine into the public domain today. No code
> changes,
> > > > just a change of license. It is now free as in beer as well as free
> as
> > in
> > > > OSS terms. No more GPL3 restrictions, actually no restrictions at
> all.
> > It
> > > > is still listed as paid Software in the extensions shop, but that
> will
> > also
> > > > be changed soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > For all of you that supported me over the years: Thank you so much!
> > > > Every license sold helped me move the library forward. The code is a
> > bit
> > > > dated now, however, maybe some of you find tiny bits and pieces that
> > are
> > > > still useful today.
> > > > >
> > > > > You find all AE related stuff on GITHUB:
> > > > https://github.com/derbrill/animationEngine
> > > > >
> > > > > Today I am not doing much development work anymore. There will be
> one
> > > > last try through a Kickstarter campaign in a couple of days, but if
> > that
> > > > fails, I’ve basically had my days in dev. I will be keeping an eye on
> > > > liveCode of course. :-) I have made quite a lot of friends on the
> > lists and
> > > > forums over the years, so I raise my glass to all of you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > > Malte
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Re: Stacks whose names start with "rev"

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

It's self-serving except for the fact that I give it away for free, but
Navigator solves problems like this for breakfast. It has no problems
dealing with "rev" stacks -- it has to, since otherwise I'd have to resort
to the IDE to develop Navigator ;-)

The only limitations I know of that Navigator doesn't much solve are the
fact that "rev" stacks don't throw errors (this has cost me much pain and
suffering) and Navigator doesn't distinguish between IDE "rev" stacks and
non-IDE "rev" stacks, so enabling access to "rev" in Navigator exposes the
IDE (including all of Navigator's files). I had thought about making that
access more granular, but until now that would have seemed to be only for
me. I'll think about it and let you know what I come up with. But in
the meantime, what Navigator provides right now works for me, and would (I
think) help you too.

gc

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:09 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Some of my client's stacks must begin with names starting with "rev"
> (i.e., Bible study, "Revelations".) This of course wreaks havoc in the
> IDE, aside from just omitting the stacks from file lists. We have tried
> setting gRevDevelopment to true and turning on the option to view IDE
> stacks, but lots of other things still fail. Objects can't be selected
> with the edit tool and other oddities occur that make the stacks
> uneditable.
>
> Temporarily renaming the stack sometimes works, but throws errors all
> over the place when scripts try to navigate or use the long ID for other
> purposes.
>
> But now something else is occuring, totally unintelligible. Normally two
> stacks are open, an index stack "TSMain" and a mainstack "Revelations".
> When trying to navigate to Revelations by any method -- opening it from
> Finder, clicking the name in the index stack, etc. -- this error is thrown:
>
> "A stack with the same name as the one you are trying to load is already
> open. Before loading
>   /Users//Documents//Revelations.livecode what do you
> want to do with stack
>   /Users//Documents//TSMain.livecode, TSMain?"
>
> Besides the issue that the two "conflicting" stacks do not have the same
> name, the TSMain stack is listed twice, once as a full file path
> followed by the short name.
>
> Huh? This is under LC 9.0.1 but also happens in LC 8.
>
> How would you manage working with a stack whose name starts with "rev"?
> We are planning to change the name somehow if we can think of a good
> substitute, but for now it needs to stay as-is. And what's the deal with
> the weird conflict message? There are no duplicate stacks in RAM.
>
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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,
yes, you´ve fixed that. I am running here 6.3 alpha 1 and with that version the 
cloned card is pasted in the original stack.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 29.09.2018 um 19:50 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Bah -- I thought I had fixed this, let me take a look. FYI, I filed a bug
> for this (to me) odd behavior, but it looks like it's a "feature".
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21509 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:56 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/24/2018 08:19 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>>> As usual, you can get Navigator here
>>> . Or grab
>> it
>>> from GitHub .
>> 
>> Eek! Cloning a card from the contextual menu pastes the new card into
>> Navigator instead of into the topstack.
>> 
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Re: Navigator 6.4 alpha 1 is out

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Bah -- I thought I had fixed this, let me take a look. FYI, I filed a bug
for this (to me) odd behavior, but it looks like it's a "feature".
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21509

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:56 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 09/24/2018 08:19 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> > As usual, you can get Navigator here
> > . Or grab
> it
> > from GitHub .
>
> Eek! Cloning a card from the contextual menu pastes the new card into
> Navigator instead of into the topstack.
>
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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Mike, 
Very interesting. However, I suspect that anything is hackable, some more than 
others, but I will read more and would be interested in how the structure keeps 
user data private.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
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[off] Do me a solid

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web
-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
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