Re: How much do we have to pay to get a minimum of efficiency from HTML5

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Yeah..  I hear you.


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:56 PM Alain Vezina via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I gave up regular LC to get interested in HTML5 from LiveCode a year ago.
> My intention was to transform my apps to get me out of Apple's tyranny. I
> was first enchanted by this product, but I quickly became disillusioned
> when I realized that basic commands and functions in LC like read from file
> or write to file do not work in HTML5. I reported a bug on the Browser
> widget in April 2019 and the problem has still not been fixed. For me, it
> is a tool that is fundamental in many of my applications.
>
> Last week, I was informed that my subscription would end on November 22 of
> this year. To renew it, I have to pay $790.60 Canadian.
>
> After some hesitation, I decided to pay, but this is the last year I do it
> if HTML5 is still so limited. I think that at that price, I could get a lot
> more from LiveCode.
>
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Re: How much do we have to pay to get a minimum of efficiency from HTML5

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Alain Vezina wrote:

> I gave up regular LC to get interested in HTML5 from LiveCode a year
> ago. My intention was to transform my apps to get me out of Apple's
> tyranny. I was first enchanted by this product, but I quickly became
> disillusioned when I realized that basic commands and functions in LC
> like read from file or write to file do not work in HTML5.

Desktop apps and web apps are inherently very different.

For example, while it's common for desktop apps to read and write files 
across the user's hard drive, browsers don't allow that. If they did, 
every site you go to - and sites that have maliciously inserted their 
code into sites you go to - could rummage through your hard drive, 
taking what they want and altering things along the way.


On the desktop, Apple does not require that you surrender 30% of your 
income to them in order to have your apps installable.  You can still 
distribute via downloads from your own site, as we've been doing since 
the '90s.



> I reported a bug on the Browser widget in April 2019 and the problem
> has still not been fixed. For me, it is a tool that is fundamental in
> many of my applications.

I'm not following this now.  The first part of your email discusses 
stack files exported from LC as HTML to run in a browser, and this part 
seems to be discussing the widget, which embeds a browser application 
inside of a LiveCode standalone.


What are you building?

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How much do we have to pay to get a minimum of efficiency from HTML5

[Alain Vezina via use-livecode]

I gave up regular LC to get interested in HTML5 from LiveCode a year ago. My 
intention was to transform my apps to get me out of Apple's tyranny. I was 
first enchanted by this product, but I quickly became disillusioned when I 
realized that basic commands and functions in LC like read from file or write 
to file do not work in HTML5. I reported a bug on the Browser widget in April 
2019 and the problem has still not been fixed. For me, it is a tool that is 
fundamental in many of my applications. 

Last week, I was informed that my subscription would end on November 22 of this 
year. To renew it, I have to pay $790.60 Canadian.

After some hesitation, I decided to pay, but this is the last year I do it if 
HTML5 is still so limited. I think that at that price, I could get a lot more 
from LiveCode.

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Re: WebP-Tool v103

[JJS via use-livecode]

YEs indeed.

I thought i read somewhere that Joomla also wanted (or is already) to 
support it as cms.


great!

Op 18-11-2019 om 17:29 schreef hh via use-livecode:

Jjs wrote; Nice, thank you. I noticed it. But they are not used very
much yet. Also for jpeg are some extra formats.

TMHO it doesn't really matter what's used in the web. The purpose of
webP is, if you have a lot of images/large images, that these load
much faster from a server or use less size in your stack/standalone.

WebP-Tool is simply a bridge to the future LC version that can read
in and write out webP images. Especially:

 set the paintcompression to WEBP

will be then implemented. Hopefully rather sooner than later.

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Re: WebP-Tool v103

[hh via use-livecode]

> Jjs wrote; Nice, thank you. I noticed it. But they are not used very
> much yet. Also for jpeg are some extra formats. 

TMHO it doesn't really matter what's used in the web. The purpose of
webP is, if you have a lot of images/large images, that these load
much faster from a server or use less size in your stack/standalone.

WebP-Tool is simply a bridge to the future LC version that can read
in and write out webP images. Especially:

set the paintcompression to WEBP

will be then implemented. Hopefully rather sooner than later.

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Re: WebP-Tool v103

[Jjs via use-livecode]

Nice, thank you. I noticed it. But they are not used very much yet. Also for 
jpeg are some extra formats.

hh via use-livecode  schreef op 18 november 2019 
16:19:04 CET:
>Sorry, the download links had a wrong path. Here are correct ones.
>
>[Download] Currently I cannot upload to "SampleStacks/livecodeshare".
>So please use from the message box
>(EU) go stack url ("http://hyperhh.de/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode;)
>(US) go stack url
>("http://hh.on-rev.com/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode;)
>or download
>(EU) http://hyperhh.de/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode.zip
>(US) http://hh.on-rev.com/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode.zip
>
>When using go stack url, as a first action please SAVE the stack, we
>need
>the stack path for writing out helpers and creating folders for
>conversion.
>
>
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Re: WebP-Tool v103

[hh via use-livecode]

Sorry, the download links had a wrong path. Here are correct ones.

[Download] Currently I cannot upload to "SampleStacks/livecodeshare".
So please use from the message box
(EU) go stack url ("http://hyperhh.de/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode;)
(US) go stack url ("http://hh.on-rev.com/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode;)
or download
(EU) http://hyperhh.de/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode.zip
(US) http://hh.on-rev.com/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode.zip

When using go stack url, as a first action please SAVE the stack, we need
the stack path for writing out helpers and creating folders for conversion.


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WebP-Tool v103

[hh via use-livecode]

WebP is a new image format for the web, see
https://developers.google.com/speed/webp

The stack is a helper for using the BSD-licensed converter software, so
you can use webp images in your stacks.

The stack contains the binaries for 64bit Mac/Win/linux. You can copy them
to your own stack.
For 32bit machines see the instructions of the link below.

The WebP-Tool runs, using LC 8/9, on Mac/Win/linux.

For more info please read
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=185384#p185384

[Download]
Currently I cannot upload to "SampleStacks/livecodeshare".
So please use from the message box
go stack url ("http://hyperhh.de/html/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode;)
or download http://hyperhh.de/html/xstacks/webP-Tool_v103.livecode.zip

When using go stack url, as a first action please SAVE the stack, we need
the stack path for writing out helpers and creating folders for conversion.


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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 202

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

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