Re: RIP David Boggs

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 3/1/22 10:45, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

The NYT claim that I have used up all of my “free views” this month is a
LIE.


Open it in an incognito browser window then.



Anyway, the New York Times is all about Rupert Murdoch now as far as I’m
concerned. Not exactly trusted.


That's the New York *Post*.

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Re: MobileVibrate

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Here's the good part. Once I realized my mistake it worked fine, I built 
the app and it vibrated as expected. I found it massively annoying so I 
took it out.


Such is life.
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On March 1, 2022 10:28:01 AM Tom Glod via use-livecode 
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I have activated vibrate on my android build for my StarterStack and it
worked fine.  My Phone is running android 8.1.
It mostly vibrates, but there are moments when it doesn't on one particular
button.
I hope that helps.

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>  I wish the docs would specify that you need to either include a library
or a permission for commands that require those.

+1
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Re: RIP David Boggs

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

The NYT claim that I have used up all of my “free views” this month is a
LIE.

Anyway, the New York Times is all about Rupert Murdoch now as far as I’m
concerned. Not exactly trusted.

I’m glad that Boggs invented ethernet. I remember when I first heard about
it; I was at a seminar for Covis in 1980 - all their Star Terminals in the
room were connected via ethernet. Later that year I had a job interview
with Andy Moore to possibly work at Sprocket systems in San Rafael
(Lucasfilm) and they also had a network of star terminals all over the
facility.

I didn’t have a degree so I didn’t get that second call. But it was good to
see my friends at work there, one eventually got an Academy award for his
work on Star Wars.

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> On 3/1/22 10:26, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> > Paywall
>
> Opened without a paywall for me.
> That last quote is a keeper.
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Re: RIP David Boggs

[Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode]

https://dnyuz.com/2022/02/28/david-boggs-co-inventor-of-ethernet-dies-at-71/ 



> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 3/1/22 10:26, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
>> Paywall
> 
> Opened without a paywall for me.
> That last quote is a keeper.
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Re: RIP David Boggs

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On 3/1/22 10:26, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

Paywall


Opened without a paywall for me.
That last quote is a keeper.

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Re: RIP David Boggs

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Paywall

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> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/technology/david-boggs-dead.html?smid=url-share
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Re: Have we lost the Oracle driver?

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for responding. Indeed 'the revLicenseInfo` returned "...commercial". 
After re-licensing, it now says "...professional" - however, I still can't 
open a connection to an Oracle database.


Re-licensing *did* make a difference: whereas previously it broke into the 
debugger, and (sometimes) displayed the error
> execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: 
revdberr,driver not licensed for this edition)


now revOpenDatabase simply returns
> revdberr,invalid database type

So I guess it's not a licensing issue any more, which is good; but I still 
can't get at the database! Can you suggest where my next issue might be?


Many thanks,

Ben

On 01/03/2022 16:08, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2022-03-01 15:51, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Matthias,

Good spot! Thanks for checking.

I wonder whether this is an accidental omission, in that Oracle was at
one time only available at a certain higher level of license; maybe
now that there is only level, perhaps someone forgot to tweak whatever
bit of code checked that the 'correct' license was in place?


All business-only features were moved to be part of the pro features pack - 
the oracle driver included.


If it isn't working in your current version of LC, check that the license you 
have licensed LC with does have the pro features pack in it...


If you do `put the revLicenseInfo` it should say professional, rather than 
commercial.


If it doesn't say professional, Relicense your IDE using the menu item in Help 
and flick through the licenses you have available until one says 'pro' in the 
title.


If the revLicenseInfo does say professional then something odd has happened 
somewhere which will need to look into more deeply!


Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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RIP David Boggs

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/technology/david-boggs-dead.html?smid=url-share
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Re: MobileVibrate

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

I have activated vibrate on my android build for my StarterStack and it
worked fine.  My Phone is running android 8.1.
It mostly vibrates, but there are moments when it doesn't on one particular
button.
I hope that helps.

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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> >  I wish the docs would specify that you need to either include a library
> or a permission for commands that require those.
>
> +1
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Re: Into the future

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Yup. I figured that out with the excellent help of the list users. :-)

Bob S


> On Mar 1, 2022, at 03:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
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> 
> To build a Mac App, you need to have Xcode tools on your Mac. You don't need 
> to use them. You don't even need to know about them. They just have to be 
> there. If you've never installed Xcode they won't be there. See this lesson:
> 
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4603/l/1353263-i-m-getting-an-error-when-trying-to-save-as-standalone-on-mac
>  
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> Best Regards,
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Re: Have we lost the Oracle driver?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2022-03-01 15:51, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Matthias,

Good spot! Thanks for checking.

I wonder whether this is an accidental omission, in that Oracle was at
one time only available at a certain higher level of license; maybe
now that there is only level, perhaps someone forgot to tweak whatever
bit of code checked that the 'correct' license was in place?


All business-only features were moved to be part of the pro features 
pack - the oracle driver included.


If it isn't working in your current version of LC, check that the 
license you have licensed LC with does have the pro features pack in 
it...


If you do `put the revLicenseInfo` it should say professional, rather 
than commercial.


If it doesn't say professional, Relicense your IDE using the menu item 
in Help and flick through the licenses you have available until one says 
'pro' in the title.


If the revLicenseInfo does say professional then something odd has 
happened somewhere which will need to look into more deeply!


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Have we lost the Oracle driver?

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

Good spot! Thanks for checking.

I wonder whether this is an accidental omission, in that Oracle was at one 
time only available at a certain higher level of license; maybe now that there 
is only level, perhaps someone forgot to tweak whatever bit of code checked 
that the 'correct' license was in place?


Panos can you comment?

Many thanks,

Ben

On 01/03/2022 15:33, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

I just had a quick look at the LC externals/database  and the 
runtime/externals/database folders. There are still dboracle... files in it.
So at least the drivers are there.


Matthias



Am 01.03.2022 um 16:24 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
:

A long time ago I used to access Oracle directly from a LiveCode app.

For some years now I've only done this via ODBC, though I don't recall why that 
changed.

The Dictionary entry for revOpenDatabase lists five variants ("mysql", "odbc",  "sqlite", 
"postgresql", "oracle"); but the User Guide (p. 303) lists three plus ODBC.

Now I'm trying to access an Oracle database directly again (in the IDE), and 
when my code hits
revOpenData("oracle", )

it breaks into the debugger as if there was a breakpoint on that statement - there isn't; it 
switches to but the "Errors" tab says "No errors found".

However after 'stepping', it halts altogether and the errors tab says

execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: 
revdberr,driver not licensed for this edition)

As I understand it there is now only one edition (with a buffet of deployment platforms), the 
Standard Plan, and my account says that I have a "LiveCode Professional" license (I admit 
that I am thoroughly confused about plans, licenses etc). Oracle isn't mentioned in the "Pro 
Feature Pack" either.

Is Oracle supported? If so what do I need to do to access that?

TIA,

Ben

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Re: Have we lost the Oracle driver?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I just had a quick look at the LC externals/database  and the 
runtime/externals/database folders. There are still dboracle... files in it.
So at least the drivers are there.


Matthias


> Am 01.03.2022 um 16:24 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> A long time ago I used to access Oracle directly from a LiveCode app.
> 
> For some years now I've only done this via ODBC, though I don't recall why 
> that changed.
> 
> The Dictionary entry for revOpenDatabase lists five variants ("mysql", 
> "odbc",  "sqlite", "postgresql", "oracle"); but the User Guide (p. 303) lists 
> three plus ODBC.
> 
> Now I'm trying to access an Oracle database directly again (in the IDE), and 
> when my code hits
>   revOpenData("oracle", )
> 
> it breaks into the debugger as if there was a breakpoint on that statement - 
> there isn't; it switches to but the "Errors" tab says "No errors found".
> 
> However after 'stepping', it halts altogether and the errors tab says
> 
>   execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: 
> revdberr,driver not licensed for this edition)
> 
> As I understand it there is now only one edition (with a buffet of deployment 
> platforms), the Standard Plan, and my account says that I have a "LiveCode 
> Professional" license (I admit that I am thoroughly confused about plans, 
> licenses etc). Oracle isn't mentioned in the "Pro Feature Pack" either.
> 
> Is Oracle supported? If so what do I need to do to access that?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ben
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Have we lost the Oracle driver?

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

A long time ago I used to access Oracle directly from a LiveCode app.

For some years now I've only done this via ODBC, though I don't recall why 
that changed.


The Dictionary entry for revOpenDatabase lists five variants ("mysql", "odbc", 
 "sqlite", "postgresql", "oracle"); but the User Guide (p. 303) lists three 
plus ODBC.


Now I'm trying to access an Oracle database directly again (in the IDE), and 
when my code hits

revOpenData("oracle", )

it breaks into the debugger as if there was a breakpoint on that statement - 
there isn't; it switches to but the "Errors" tab says "No errors found".


However after 'stepping', it halts altogether and the errors tab says

	execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: 
revdberr,driver not licensed for this edition)


As I understand it there is now only one edition (with a buffet of deployment 
platforms), the Standard Plan, and my account says that I have a "LiveCode 
Professional" license (I admit that I am thoroughly confused about plans, 
licenses etc). Oracle isn't mentioned in the "Pro Feature Pack" either.


Is Oracle supported? If so what do I need to do to access that?

TIA,

Ben

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Re: How to install XCode essentials only for LiveCode builds

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks for the clarification Panos. Much appreciated.

Mark


> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:14 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Note that this is necessary for building standalone for **macOS**. The
> version of the downloaded command line tools does NOT matter in this case.
> I _think_ this command downloads the latest version by default, or at least
> the latest version that can be installed in your machine.
> 
> Building standalone for **iOS** does require to download the full Xcode
> bundle though - and in this case the version (of Xcode) does matter. In the
> future we might make it so that the Xcode version does not matter in this
> case too.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 02:50, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay installing the command line tools fixed the certificate issue thanks
>> all. Now there is some file not getting included involving the database
>> api. I will have to nail that one down.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 11:42 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Sean asked me to post this in a separate post. :-)
>>> 
>>> We do not have to install the complete (ca. 16 GB) Xcode package to
>> create a standalone with LC.
>>> Just install the neccessary command line tools via the TERMINAL, enter:
>>> xcode-select --install
>>> 
>>> And it will download all neccessary stuff.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> https://www.major-k.de
>>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>>> kl...@major-k.de
>>> 
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Re: Extracting Unicode text from Oracle over ODBC

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

Hi Jacque

Thanks for replying, but unfortunately these aren't relevant - the binary data 
is coming through fine, but it seems that something upstream has dumbed it down.


Anyone else have any experience with this?

TIA,

Ben

On 28/02/2022 20:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
With the caveat that I know nothing about it, the normalize and formSensitive 
functions sound related.


On 2/28/22 11:50 AM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
I'm trying to extract text from an Oracle database, via ODBC, on Windows. 
(Using the 64 bit "Oracle in instantclient_19_5".)


Generally fine, except that where the text contains Unicode characters 
beyond the Windows Latin1/CP512 character set, I'm not getting them.


I'm not getting random garbage; I'm getting a sensible transliteration, e.g. 
"n" for "ň" (n-caron). So this isn't simply getting the bytes and 
misinterpreting them.


Per 
https://community.oracle.com/tech/apps-infra/discussion/2424496/issue-with-character-set-conversion-using-oracle-odbc-client, 




The conversion for the ODBC driver is performed by OCI to/from UTF-16 and
it is independent of the NLS_LANG character set. If the C++ application is
written in the ANSI mode (does not use wide character data types),
Microsoft ODBC Manager will convert between the application and the Oracle
ODBC driver, between system code page (Cp 1252) and UTF-16.


The ODBC driver has a checkbox "Force SQL_WCHAR Support". I've tried both 
settings of this checkbox. Depending on the setting, I have to take a 
different approach to retrieving the data in order not to get garbage 
(passing a variable name to revDatabaseColumnNumbered and then using 
uniDecode). But when I don't get garbage, I also don't get the characters 
with diacritics - but I do get the correct character.


Does anyone have experience of this? Do I need to modify the SQL Select 
statement in some way to get the correct version of the data?


TIA,

Ben


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Re: How to install XCode essentials only for LiveCode builds

[panagiotis m via use-livecode]

Hello all,

Note that this is necessary for building standalone for **macOS**. The
version of the downloaded command line tools does NOT matter in this case.
I _think_ this command downloads the latest version by default, or at least
the latest version that can be installed in your machine.

Building standalone for **iOS** does require to download the full Xcode
bundle though - and in this case the version (of Xcode) does matter. In the
future we might make it so that the Xcode version does not matter in this
case too.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Okay installing the command line tools fixed the certificate issue thanks
> all. Now there is some file not getting included involving the database
> api. I will have to nail that one down.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 2022, at 11:42 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Sean asked me to post this in a separate post. :-)
> >
> > We do not have to install the complete (ca. 16 GB) Xcode package to
> create a standalone with LC.
> > Just install the neccessary command line tools via the TERMINAL, enter:
> > xcode-select --install
> >
> > And it will download all neccessary stuff.
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> > --
> > Klaus Major
> > https://www.major-k.de
> > https://www.major-k.de/bass
> > kl...@major-k.de
> >
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Re: How to use LiveCode

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Hi

I hit the same problem a little while ago and decided to try to dodge the issue 
as much as possible. My solution was to include the following guidance where 
appropriate:

Can't Open ...

Note that both Mac and Windows users may be asked to give permission to run the 
app for the first time. This is because we haven't gone through the processes 
to register the app with Apple and Microsoft - it's not worth the effort for 
limited distribution apps.

If you're unhappy about this or at all unsure that you trust our apps, don't 
use them! Otherwise, just do what's required once and you'll not be bothered 
again when you use the app from then onwards.

See "Can't Open Mac App.pdf  
"
 or "Can't Open Windows App.pdf  
"
 as appropriate for guidance.

Here's an example of how I provide this advice as part of a distribution web 
page:

https://www.reid-it.co.uk/downloads/down_bballs.htm 


For my purposes, the above covers my needs since my projects are almost always 
for a small number of users, often for in-house use only. If something like the 
above works for you, you're welcome to use my guidance sheets, either as is or 
with your own modifications.

Regards

Peter

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Re: Into the future

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

To build a Mac App, you need to have Xcode tools on your Mac. You don't need to 
use them. You don't even need to know about them. They just have to be there. 
If you've never installed Xcode they won't be there. See this lesson:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4603/l/1353263-i-m-getting-an-error-when-trying-to-save-as-standalone-on-mac
 


Best Regards,

Heather


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 1 Mar 2022, at 00:35, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am getting, "Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:  standalone> replacing existing signature xcrun: error: invalid active 
> developer path (/library/developer/commandlinetools), missing xcrun at...the 
> code sign_allocate helper tool cannot be found in subcomponent  standalone>/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
> 
> I think I will attempt to download the command line tools and see if that 
> fixes it. 
> 
> The ad-hoc certificate is (if I am not mistaken) a self signed certificate. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 13:40 , General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think some misunderstandings ….
>> 
>> You can build LC standalone with no certifications on MacOS desktop.
>> 
>> The issue comes when you wish to codesign and notarise for distribution 
>> downloads from web etc. To do any codesigning and notarization with apple 
>> you need the certificates and be a member of the development program.
>> 
>> The standalone will run fine but without apple codesign and notarization but 
>> the latest MacOS gatekeeper will give warnings etc on MacOS desktop.
>> 
>> For IOS the certified route is a must.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Camm
>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2022, at 21:25, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All.
>>> 
>>> I am not sure I am following this thread correctly. Is the issue that some 
>>> sort of certificate is now required for creating a standalone for desktop? 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2022, at 4:12 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Dealing with Apple certificates is the most onerous part of building a 
 standalone. I really wish the livecode team could help address this issue 
 and help us out.
 
 best,
 Bill
 
 William A Prothero
 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I use a mac in the cloud . but i have yet to do any signing  I
> gotta get myself to do it this week. thanks for the reminder...i've been
> putting it off like its math homework only worse. :D
> 
> https://www.macincloud.com/
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> with which version of LC did you see this?
>> 
>> I had a look at the most current dp version of 10. If LC would require a
>> certificate then there should be somewhere in the standalone settings a
>> area where one could select an appropriate certificate.  But that is not
>> the case.
>> 
>> What LC does for some time now when creating a macOS standalone is doing
>> an ad-hoc code signing. Please do not ask me what that is, ;)
>> but  this kind of code signing seems not to require a certificate.
>> The ad-hoc code signing is done in the stack
>> revsaveasstandalone.livecodescript.  Search for 'private command
>> performAdHocCodesign'
>> 
>> So there might some other problem and LC does come up with a misleading
>> error message.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 28.02.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Klaus.
>>> 
>>> Actually the new LC versions do not create the standalone without those
>> certificates. That is the error dialog I get. If there is a way to 
>> disable
>> that feature that would be great!
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2022, at 10:18 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 Hi Bob,
 
> Am 28.02.2022 um 18:18 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Okay, so I am at the point that I cannot build apps without
>> codesigning and notarizing. Livecode will throw an error now if I try and
>> don't have these certificates installed. Great.
> 
> So I have been going through the tutorial, and I see I have to be an
>> Apple Developer, which means I have to shell out yet another $100 per 
>> year.
>> Fine, I did that, even though my app is for internal consumption only.
> 
> Now It appears that for me to get the certificates needed to create a
>> Mac stand