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Re: RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode


On 2022-10-11 20:37, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

We just got bit by a 4+ year old bug (See
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20859) where the revZIP
library on macOS can create and read ZIP archives over 2GB, BUT the
Windows library can not.


Do you ship your app as a 64-bit windows exe?

I wonder if its just a limitation of the library we use when compiled 
for 32-bit archs...


Warmest Regards,

Mark.


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Re: RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode

The two bugs mentioned in this thread ( the revZip on Windows and the snapshot) 
sound like good candidates for the Top Ten Bugs survey that LiveCode Ltd.  had 
run a year or so ago.   It was a success it seemed and there was talk at the of 
running that survey again.

Panos, Mark,
Any plans for running round 2 of the Top 10 LiveCode Bugs  survey in the near 
future?

Martin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> I got affected by that and other win revzip issues too. I ended up parsing 
> them through a shell script and using windows built in unzipper. Of course 
> the downfall with that is a lack of feedback on progress which, for large 
> files like this, requires a great deal of time to process and feedback is 
> almost a necessity. I made the shell visible just so that the customer was 
> aware of its progress. It was ugly in terms of UIX but it got us out of a 
> short term hole. I hope you can get a more long term solution. 
> 
> I’m sure you’re capable of building the shell script but let us know if not. 
> 
> All the best
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Oct 2022, at 20:37, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We just got bit by a 4+ year old bug (See 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20859) where the revZIP library 
>> on macOS can create and read ZIP archives over 2GB, BUT the Windows library 
>> can not.
>> 
>> We distribute our desktop research application as "cross-platform" for macOS 
>> and Windows and just had a researcher on macOS build a "package" (our term 
>> for a custom ZIP archive our LiveCode app can make of the researcher's data 
>> files) over 2GB and sent to their Window colleague who can NOT open it.
>> 
>> Yes, we walked the Windows researcher through unzipping the archive with 
>> WinZIP and accessing all the data files manually, but so much for the 
>> "elegance" of our app being cross-platform due to using LiveCode.
>> 
>> Now, do we add code to check the size and prohibit macOS users from creating 
>> "packages" over 2GB so if they are sent to a Windows researcher, they can be 
>> opened OR do we just warn the Windows researcher if the archive is over 2GB 
>> that they will not be able to open it? Neither is a good option.
>> 
>> This just makes us look bad.
>> 
>> Paul Dupuis
>> Researchware
>> 
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Re: RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Mark Clark via use-livecode

Have you considered chunking the problem up and using compress v revZip 
library? I ran into something similar when I wanted to keep memory down for 
encrypting/decrypting multi-gig log files…got a lot of advice about just using 
shell—but for the same sorts of reasons as you I wanted to do things within lc. 
I used a standard 1MB chunk size so just added a visual working on '1 of n 
progress bar’. That might be more effort than it’s worth to you.

Might be simpler to create 1 or more archives using the revZip library vs 
rolling your own. You’d need to stat the files to determine the sizes and # of 
archives and limit each to < 2GB.

the detailed files (synonymous with the long files)


Mark










> On Oct 11, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the  history.
> 
> Yes, using other ZIP tools via shell is a possibility, but one I would rather 
> not do. While some researchers who use our app are very computer savvy, most 
> are not. Having a LiveCode ZIP in a window with a nice UI that uses 
> terminology our data analysis tool already uses to let them 'package' their 
> data works well for usage and adoption.
> 
> We're already doing invisible shell work-arounds for a number of engine bugs, 
> with using ffmpg to replace Export Snapshot (see 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23694 
> ) the latest. I would 
> just rather not add another 'work-around'. I was actually spending time today 
> cleaning out an old work-around from when a minimized stack set one of its 
> coordinates to -32000 as a way of indicating it was minimized (before the 
> iconic property existed) and work-around fro when a stack was minimized it 
> would get a 'resizeStack' message with a new width and height of 0,0. None of 
> these apply any more but we don't always have time or awareness to remove 
> work-arounds when they are fixed, which can sometimes be years after the 
> work-around was put into place.
> 
> Anyway, thank you for the suggested approach. It is actually really goo to 
> know someone else has already done it.
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2022 4:34 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul
>> 
>> I got affected by that and other win revzip issues too. I ended up parsing 
>> them through a shell script and using windows built in unzipper. Of course 
>> the downfall with that is a lack of feedback on progress which, for large 
>> files like this, requires a great deal of time to process and feedback is 
>> almost a necessity. I made the shell visible just so that the customer was 
>> aware of its progress. It was ugly in terms of UIX but it got us out of a 
>> short term hole. I hope you can get a more long term solution.
>> 
>> I’m sure you’re capable of building the shell script but let us know if not.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Oct 2022, at 20:37, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We just got bit by a 4+ year old bug (See 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20859 
>>> ) where the revZIP 
>>> library on macOS can create and read ZIP archives over 2GB, BUT the Windows 
>>> library can not.
>>> 
>>> We distribute our desktop research application as "cross-platform" for 
>>> macOS and Windows and just had a researcher on macOS build a "package" (our 
>>> term for a custom ZIP archive our LiveCode app can make of the researcher's 
>>> data files) over 2GB and sent to their Window colleague who can NOT open it.
>>> 
>>> Yes, we walked the Windows researcher through unzipping the archive with 
>>> WinZIP and accessing all the data files manually, but so much for the 
>>> "elegance" of our app being cross-platform due to using LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> Now, do we add code to check the size and prohibit macOS users from 
>>> creating "packages" over 2GB so if they are sent to a Windows researcher, 
>>> they can be opened OR do we just warn the Windows researcher if the archive 
>>> is over 2GB that they will not be able to open it? Neither is a good option.
>>> 
>>> This just makes us look bad.
>>> 
>>> Paul Dupuis
>>> Researchware
>>> 
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Re: RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Phil Davis via use-livecode

Hi Sean,

I wonder if you could open the unzipper as a process in LC. Then your
app could probably receive realtime updates from it and let the user
what's going on.

I've done that before but it was a long time ago, so I have forgotten
more than I remember.

HTH -
Phil Davis

On 10/11/22 1:34 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Paul

I got affected by that and other win revzip issues too. I ended up parsing them
through a shell script and using windows built in unzipper. Of course the
downfall with that is a lack of feedback on progress which, for large files
like this, requires a great deal of time to process and feedback is almost a
necessity. I made the shell visible just so that the customer was aware of its
progress. It was ugly in terms of UIX but it got us out of a short term hole. I
hope you can get a more long term solution.

I’m sure you’re capable of building the shell script but let us know if not.

All the best
Sean

On 11 Oct 2022, at 20:37, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
wrote:

We just got bit by a 4+ year old bug (See
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20859) where the revZIP library on
macOS can create and read ZIP archives over 2GB, BUT the Windows library can
not.

We distribute our desktop research application as "cross-platform" for macOS and Windows
and just had a researcher on macOS build a "package" (our term for a custom ZIP archive
our LiveCode app can make of the researcher's data files) over 2GB and sent to their Window
colleague who can NOT open it.

Yes, we walked the Windows researcher through unzipping the archive with WinZIP and
accessing all the data files manually, but so much for the "elegance" of our
app being cross-platform due to using LiveCode.

Now, do we add code to check the size and prohibit macOS users from creating
"packages" over 2GB so if they are sent to a Windows researcher, they can be
opened OR do we just warn the Windows researcher if the archive is over 2GB that they
will not be able to open it? Neither is a good option.

This just makes us look bad.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

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Re: RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode

Thank you for the history.

Yes, using other ZIP tools via shell is a possibility, but one I would
rather not do. While some researchers who use our app are very computer
savvy, most are not. Having a LiveCode ZIP in a window with a nice UI
that uses terminology our data analysis tool already uses to let them
'package' their data works well for usage and adoption.

We're already doing invisible shell work-arounds for a number of engine
bugs, with using ffmpg to replace Export Snapshot (see
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23694) the latest. I would
just rather not add another 'work-around'. I was actually spending time
today cleaning out an old work-around from when a minimized stack set
one of its coordinates to -32000 as a way of indicating it was minimized
(before the iconic property existed) and work-around fro when a stack
was minimized it would get a 'resizeStack' message with a new width and
height of 0,0. None of these apply any more but we don't always have
time or awareness to remove work-arounds when they are fixed, which can
sometimes be years after the work-around was put into place.

Anyway, thank you for the suggested approach. It is actually really goo
to know someone else has already done it.

On 10/11/2022 4:34 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Paul

I’m sure you’re capable of building the shell script but let us know if not.

All the best
Sean

On 11 Oct 2022, at 20:37, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
wrote:

This just makes us look bad.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

Re: RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode

Hi Paul

I got affected by that and other win revzip issues too. I ended up parsing them 
through a shell script and using windows built in unzipper. Of course the 
downfall with that is a lack of feedback on progress which, for large files 
like this, requires a great deal of time to process and feedback is almost a 
necessity. I made the shell visible just so that the customer was aware of its 
progress. It was ugly in terms of UIX but it got us out of a short term hole. I 
hope you can get a more long term solution. 

I’m sure you’re capable of building the shell script but let us know if not. 

All the best
Sean



> On 11 Oct 2022, at 20:37, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> We just got bit by a 4+ year old bug (See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20859) where the revZIP library 
> on macOS can create and read ZIP archives over 2GB, BUT the Windows library 
> can not.
> 
> We distribute our desktop research application as "cross-platform" for macOS 
> and Windows and just had a researcher on macOS build a "package" (our term 
> for a custom ZIP archive our LiveCode app can make of the researcher's data 
> files) over 2GB and sent to their Window colleague who can NOT open it.
> 
> Yes, we walked the Windows researcher through unzipping the archive with 
> WinZIP and accessing all the data files manually, but so much for the 
> "elegance" of our app being cross-platform due to using LiveCode.
> 
> Now, do we add code to check the size and prohibit macOS users from creating 
> "packages" over 2GB so if they are sent to a Windows researcher, they can be 
> opened OR do we just warn the Windows researcher if the archive is over 2GB 
> that they will not be able to open it? Neither is a good option.
> 
> This just makes us look bad.
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
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Re: LC -> Applescript -> Chrome

2022-10-11 Thread jbv via use-livecode


Hi Richard,

Thank you for your reply.
Actually it's kind of weird : after running the script a few
times in the Applescript editor, it started to work again in
LC...
May be it was something in my setup, I don't know.

Best,

Le 2022-10-11 15:27, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode a écrit :

jbv wrote:

I have a stack that interacts with Chrome via Applescript.
It has been running fine for months.
Suddenly, one command line began to stall the whole process,
with the spinning wheel spinning forever.

And when I run the same Applescript in the script editor,
it still runs fine as before.
The line is :
tell application "System Events" to click at {x, y}
I am using LC 9.6.8

What should I look at to fix the issue ?


At first this struck me as potentially an intentional change from
Apple for security purposes, but a quick DuckDuckGo search shows many
having the same AppleScript issue with "click at":
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=macOS+applescript+%22click+at%22

Interesting discussions, but I didn't see a proposed solution that
works for Mavericks.  I also didn't look that hard; there may be a fix
out there. Or it may be a bug in macOS.  But at least it isn't you. :)


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RANT (Mild): revZIP library

2022-10-11 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode

We just got bit by a 4+ year old bug (See 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20859) where the revZIP 
library on macOS can create and read ZIP archives over 2GB, BUT the 
Windows library can not.


We distribute our desktop research application as "cross-platform" for 
macOS and Windows and just had a researcher on macOS build a "package" 
(our term for a custom ZIP archive our LiveCode app can make of the 
researcher's data files) over 2GB and sent to their Window colleague who 
can NOT open it.


Yes, we walked the Windows researcher through unzipping the archive with 
WinZIP and accessing all the data files manually, but so much for the 
"elegance" of our app being cross-platform due to using LiveCode.


Now, do we add code to check the size and prohibit macOS users from 
creating "packages" over 2GB so if they are sent to a Windows 
researcher, they can be opened OR do we just warn the Windows researcher 
if the archive is over 2GB that they will not be able to open it? 
Neither is a good option.


This just makes us look bad.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

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Re: LC -> Applescript -> Chrome

2022-10-11 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode


jbv wrote:

I have a stack that interacts with Chrome via Applescript.
It has been running fine for months.
Suddenly, one command line began to stall the whole process,
with the spinning wheel spinning forever.

And when I run the same Applescript in the script editor,
it still runs fine as before.
The line is :
tell application "System Events" to click at {x, y}
I am using LC 9.6.8

What should I look at to fix the issue ?


At first this struck me as potentially an intentional change from Apple 
for security purposes, but a quick DuckDuckGo search shows many having 
the same AppleScript issue with "click at":

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=macOS+applescript+%22click+at%22

Interesting discussions, but I didn't see a proposed solution that works 
for Mavericks.  I also didn't look that hard; there may be a fix out 
there. Or it may be a bug in macOS.  But at least it isn't you. :)


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Re: TSNet cache error

2022-10-11 Thread panagiotis m via use-livecode

Hello Jacque,

Have you tried doing:

do "location.reload()" in widget "myBrowser"

just after setting the browser widget url property.

Kind regards,
Panos
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> "tsnet: ERR_CACHE_MISS".
> This happens when using both the Test button and when installing a built
> Android app.
>
> I've cleared Chrome's cache, and deleted and reinstalled the app several
> times, but the widget
> won't connect. How would I fix the browser widget cache?
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Re: on-rev mail server

2022-10-11 Thread Kay C Lan via use-livecode

Thanks, I'm still having issues so I'll email livecodehosting.  Thanks
Matthias for the link.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:13 PM Andy Marshman via use-livecode
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using the mail servers on Silica and both seem to be working fine for me. 
> I can also log into my cpanel account without issue.
>
> If it helps I'm based in the UK
>
> Regards
> Andy
>
> 11 Oct 2022 07:59:41 matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
>
> > Unfortunately i am not on Silica, but on Quartz. So i could just test with 
> > "my" server.
> > I am able to login.
> >
> > So it is not a general problem, but only one with Silica. Maybe the db 
> > server part has problems.
> >
> > Anyway, if you think it's not urgent, then you could send an email to 
> > livecodehost...@livecode.com 
> >
> >
> > If you think it's urgent, then you can send an email to 
> > livecodehost...@livecode.com   and put 
> > the word URGENT into the subject line at the beginning. This will speed the 
> > things a little bit up.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> >> Am 11.10.2022 um 08:07 schrieb Kay C Lan via use-livecode 
> >> :
> >>
> >> Is anyone having troubles with on-rev IMAP and SMTP servers?
> >>
> >> I've just upgraded my OS and all the passwords for the servers were
> >> blank but when I input them I don't get a connection.
> >>
> >> I restarted using my back-up HDD, which has all the boxes filled in,
> >> but it can't connect to the mail servers either.
> >>
> >> I thought I'd log in using cPanel to see if there was a hint there but
> >> I can't access the 'silica' server either; which led me to believe
> >> that the servers may be down but I can access all my web pages.
> >>
> >> Anyone else having issues or should I be contacting Heather?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
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Re: [OT] new version of InstaMaker Windows /macOS Vine with support for x64 Installers

2022-10-11 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode

Hi again,

for those who might have downloaded the Wine version of InstaMaker and ran into 
an error saying that the app is damaged and should be moved into the Trash...

The DMG is okay, but due to the nature of the complete Wine file, which does 
not need Wine to be installed on your Mac, it is not notarized and some macOS 
versions come with this error message.

You could solve this by remove the quarantine attribut from the app.  To do 
this, open the Terminal.app and enter the following. 

sudo xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /path/to/MyApp.app

Replace /path/to/MyApp.app with the complete path to the Wine app. The easiest 
way is to type online

sudo xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine   and then drag the app from finder 
windows into the terminal window. This copies the complete path to the command 
line.

There will be some errors saying that some files were not readable. You can 
ignore that. 

After that you can open the app without any error message.

Btw. there is a newer version of InstaMaker available with some bug fixing and 
improvements. Thanks to Scott Morrow for testing and feedback.

Windows
https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=InstaMaker_1.0.5_Setup.exe.zip

macOS Wine app
https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=InstaMaker_1.0.5.dmg 


Regards,
Matthias



> Am 06.10.2022 um 21:46 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-



> ivecode :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> i am happy to announce that an updated version of InstaMaker is available.
> InstaMaker is a Wrapper for Inno Setup, a free installer for Windows programs.
> InstaMaker makes it easier to create Installers for your Livecode Windows 
> standalones with Inno Setup.
> 
> What is new
> - InstaMaker now allows to create also installers for Windows x64 
> applications on x64 editions of Windows
> - A new Wine version of InstaMaker for macOS is available. It allows to 
> create the Windows Installers directly on macOS.
> 
> Downloads:
> macOS Wine version
> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=InstaMaker_1.0.4_RC1.app.zip
> 
> Windows x64
> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=InstaMaker_Setup_x64.exe
> 
> 
> I would be very grateful if someone could test the new versions and would 
> give some feedback if all works as expected.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
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Re: on-rev mail server

2022-10-11 Thread Andy Marshman via use-livecode

Hi,

I'm using the mail servers on Silica and both seem to be working fine for me. I 
can also log into my cpanel account without issue.

If it helps I'm based in the UK

Regards
Andy

11 Oct 2022 07:59:41 matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
:

> Unfortunately i am not on Silica, but on Quartz. So i could just test with 
> "my" server.
> I am able to login.
> 
> So it is not a general problem, but only one with Silica. Maybe the db server 
> part has problems.
> 
> Anyway, if you think it's not urgent, then you could send an email to 
> livecodehost...@livecode.com 
> 
> 
> If you think it's urgent, then you can send an email to 
> livecodehost...@livecode.com   and put 
> the word URGENT into the subject line at the beginning. This will speed the 
> things a little bit up.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 11.10.2022 um 08:07 schrieb Kay C Lan via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Is anyone having troubles with on-rev IMAP and SMTP servers?
>> 
>> I've just upgraded my OS and all the passwords for the servers were
>> blank but when I input them I don't get a connection.
>> 
>> I restarted using my back-up HDD, which has all the boxes filled in,
>> but it can't connect to the mail servers either.
>> 
>> I thought I'd log in using cPanel to see if there was a hint there but
>> I can't access the 'silica' server either; which led me to believe
>> that the servers may be down but I can access all my web pages.
>> 
>> Anyone else having issues or should I be contacting Heather?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: on-rev mail server

2022-10-11 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode

Unfortunately i am not on Silica, but on Quartz. So i could just test with "my" 
server.
I am able to login. 

So it is not a general problem, but only one with Silica. Maybe the db server 
part has problems.

Anyway, if you think it's not urgent, then you could send an email to 
livecodehost...@livecode.com 


If you think it's urgent, then you can send an email to 
livecodehost...@livecode.com   and put the 
word URGENT into the subject line at the beginning. This will speed the things 
a little bit up. 

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 11.10.2022 um 08:07 schrieb Kay C Lan via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Is anyone having troubles with on-rev IMAP and SMTP servers?
> 
> I've just upgraded my OS and all the passwords for the servers were
> blank but when I input them I don't get a connection.
> 
> I restarted using my back-up HDD, which has all the boxes filled in,
> but it can't connect to the mail servers either.
> 
> I thought I'd log in using cPanel to see if there was a hint there but
> I can't access the 'silica' server either; which led me to believe
> that the servers may be down but I can access all my web pages.
> 
> Anyone else having issues or should I be contacting Heather?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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