Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I mean unsigned anything. I use some utility apps unrelated to Livecode which I 
had to allow when I ran them the first time if memory serves. 

Bob S


> On Sep 29, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you mean unsigned standalones, I just checked one of mine developed 
> probably in 9.6 or 9.7 and it worked.
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm… I wonder if we can expect ALL unsigned apps to crash under Sonoma?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 3:44 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> While checking the different binaries of the app bundles of 9.6.9, 9.6.10, 
>> 10dp4 and 10.dp6 i noticed
>> that only 9.6.10 and 10DP6 app bundles have all their binaries completely 
>> code signed.
>> 
>> I just checked the content of the macOS folder of the app bundles, but there 
>> for example the livecode executables of 9.6.10 and 10DP6 have valid 
>> signature, but the livecode executables of  9.6.9 and 10DP4 haven't.
>> So maybe  this is the reason why the older releases do not work in Sonoma.
>> 
>> If you have a current Apple Developer  subscription you could try to code 
>> sign and notarize the complete app bundle of 9.6.9 for example. Maybe this 
>> will allow to run these versions under Sonoma.
>> I did this some time ago, if i remember right then with 10DP2  and an 
>> "enhanced" plist to get an other problem fixed.
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23576
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 29.09.2023 um 23:03 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Finally, I can confirm that 10.0.0-dp-6 works in Sonoma
>> 
>> Roger
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Maybe my observation is not the reason for the crash. Would really not make 
sense, when an unsigned app would crash instead of reporting an alert. 

But code signing  the complete Livecode app bundle would proof it. 

Did someone btw had a look at the system log file after the crash?

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 30.09.2023 um 01:23 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hmmm… I wonder if we can expect ALL unsigned apps to crash under Sonoma?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2023, at 3:44 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> While checking the different binaries of the app bundles of 9.6.9, 9.6.10, 
> 10dp4 and 10.dp6 i noticed
> that only 9.6.10 and 10DP6 app bundles have all their binaries completely 
> code signed.
> 
> I just checked the content of the macOS folder of the app bundles, but there 
> for example the livecode executables of 9.6.10 and 10DP6 have valid 
> signature, but the livecode executables of  9.6.9 and 10DP4 haven't.
> So maybe  this is the reason why the older releases do not work in Sonoma.
> 
> If you have a current Apple Developer  subscription you could try to code 
> sign and notarize the complete app bundle of 9.6.9 for example. Maybe this 
> will allow to run these versions under Sonoma.
> I did this some time ago, if i remember right then with 10DP2  and an 
> "enhanced" plist to get an other problem fixed.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23576
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 29.09.2023 um 23:03 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Finally, I can confirm that 10.0.0-dp-6 works in Sonoma
> 
> Roger
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
If you mean unsigned standalones, I just checked one of mine developed probably 
in 9.6 or 9.7 and it worked.

Roger

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm… I wonder if we can expect ALL unsigned apps to crash under Sonoma?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2023, at 3:44 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> While checking the different binaries of the app bundles of 9.6.9, 9.6.10, 
> 10dp4 and 10.dp6 i noticed
> that only 9.6.10 and 10DP6 app bundles have all their binaries completely 
> code signed.
> 
> I just checked the content of the macOS folder of the app bundles, but there 
> for example the livecode executables of 9.6.10 and 10DP6 have valid 
> signature, but the livecode executables of  9.6.9 and 10DP4 haven't.
> So maybe  this is the reason why the older releases do not work in Sonoma.
> 
> If you have a current Apple Developer  subscription you could try to code 
> sign and notarize the complete app bundle of 9.6.9 for example. Maybe this 
> will allow to run these versions under Sonoma.
> I did this some time ago, if i remember right then with 10DP2  and an 
> "enhanced" plist to get an other problem fixed.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23576
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 29.09.2023 um 23:03 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Finally, I can confirm that 10.0.0-dp-6 works in Sonoma
> 
> Roger
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Hmmm… I wonder if we can expect ALL unsigned apps to crash under Sonoma?

Bob S


On Sep 29, 2023, at 3:44 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
 wrote:

While checking the different binaries of the app bundles of 9.6.9, 9.6.10, 
10dp4 and 10.dp6 i noticed
that only 9.6.10 and 10DP6 app bundles have all their binaries completely code 
signed.

I just checked the content of the macOS folder of the app bundles, but there 
for example the livecode executables of 9.6.10 and 10DP6 have valid signature, 
but the livecode executables of  9.6.9 and 10DP4 haven't.
So maybe  this is the reason why the older releases do not work in Sonoma.

If you have a current Apple Developer  subscription you could try to code sign 
and notarize the complete app bundle of 9.6.9 for example. Maybe this will 
allow to run these versions under Sonoma.
I did this some time ago, if i remember right then with 10DP2  and an 
"enhanced" plist to get an other problem fixed.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23576




Am 29.09.2023 um 23:03 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

Finally, I can confirm that 10.0.0-dp-6 works in Sonoma

Roger

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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
While checking the different binaries of the app bundles of 9.6.9, 9.6.10, 
10dp4 and 10.dp6 i noticed
that only 9.6.10 and 10DP6 app bundles have all their binaries completely code 
signed.

I just checked the content of the macOS folder of the app bundles, but there 
for example the livecode executables of 9.6.10 and 10DP6 have valid signature, 
but the livecode executables of  9.6.9 and 10DP4 haven't.
So maybe  this is the reason why the older releases do not work in Sonoma.

If you have a current Apple Developer  subscription you could try to code sign 
and notarize the complete app bundle of 9.6.9 for example. Maybe this will 
allow to run these versions under Sonoma.
I did this some time ago, if i remember right then with 10DP2  and an 
"enhanced" plist to get an other problem fixed. 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23576




> Am 29.09.2023 um 23:03 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Finally, I can confirm that 10.0.0-dp-6 works in Sonoma
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, removing the plugins is not the answer to making LiveCode work in 
>> Sonoma. To be clear, I have found that LC 9.6.10 is the only version that 
>> works in Sonoma. I’m not sure if there is a subsequent version of 10.0.0 (DP 
>> 4) that might work?
>> 
>> Oh and Firewall is inactive
>> 
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Bob, I’ll give that a try later today. At least I am up and running 
>>> with LC 9.6.10.
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
 On Sep 29, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 As always, remove all your plugins and try again. Also, just spitballing 
 but do you have your firewall enabled? LC checks for licensing on launch 
 (correct me if I am wrong). 
 
 Bob S
 
 
> On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me 
> the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma 
> v14.0 on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
Finally, I can confirm that 10.0.0-dp-6 works in Sonoma

Roger

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, removing the plugins is not the answer to making LiveCode work in 
> Sonoma. To be clear, I have found that LC 9.6.10 is the only version that 
> works in Sonoma. I’m not sure if there is a subsequent version of 10.0.0 (DP 
> 4) that might work?
> 
> Oh and Firewall is inactive
> 
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Bob, I’ll give that a try later today. At least I am up and running 
>> with LC 9.6.10.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As always, remove all your plugins and try again. Also, just spitballing 
>>> but do you have your firewall enabled? LC checks for licensing on launch 
>>> (correct me if I am wrong). 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me 
 the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 
 on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Roger
 
 
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
Nope, removing the plugins is not the answer to making LiveCode work in Sonoma. 
To be clear, I have found that LC 9.6.10 is the only version that works in 
Sonoma. I’m not sure if there is a subsequent version of 10.0.0 (DP 4) that 
might work?

Oh and Firewall is inactive


Roger

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Bob, I’ll give that a try later today. At least I am up and running 
> with LC 9.6.10.
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> As always, remove all your plugins and try again. Also, just spitballing but 
>> do you have your firewall enabled? LC checks for licensing on launch 
>> (correct me if I am wrong). 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me 
>>> the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 
>>> on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
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Re: Fun with ChatGPT creating LC script

2023-09-29 Thread Derek Bump via use-livecode

Hello Roger,

It is indeed a lot of fun, I couldn't agree more! What's truly amazing 
is how often I can transform that impressive "looking" LC script into 
something actually functional. Using LLMs in combination with the Script 
Profiler was all the proof I needed to ensure LLMs are now a dedicated 
part of my workflow.


I do wish there was an offline model that didn't produce just 
javascript-laden gibberish, but I have a feeling that won't be the case 
for much longer.


Thanks for sharing,

Derek Bump


On 9/29/23 13:30, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:

Then I asked ChatGPT to create code in LiveCode to solve the same problem.  It generated 
some surprisingly great "looking" LC script which on the surface seemed like it 
would work.  I allowed ChatGPT 4 tries to generate functional and complete code to solve 
this problem.  It was never able to.  Try it.  It's interesting to see the variations 
that it comes up with.


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Fun with ChatGPT creating LC script

2023-09-29 Thread Eller, Roger via use-livecode
I asked ChatGPT to solve this problem, which it did perfectly.


Then I asked ChatGPT to create code in LiveCode to solve the same problem.  It 
generated some surprisingly great "looking" LC script which on the surface 
seemed like it would work.  I allowed ChatGPT 4 tries to generate functional 
and complete code to solve this problem.  It was never able to.  Try it.  It's 
interesting to see the variations that it comes up with.


PROBLEM in plain English:

If there is a finite number of colored slots on a board; let’s say 15, the 
first 4 are filled. Also slot 7 and 9 are filled. I have 6 new colors that I 
need to store in open slots.  Which available slots can I put these 6 colors 
without leaving any gaps?  Each color must be unique.



ChatGPT response:

To place 6 new colors in the available slots without leaving any gaps, you'll 
need to use slots that are consecutive and unoccupied. In your scenario, you 
have a board with 15 slots, and the first 4 are filled, slot 7 is filled, and 
slot 9 is filled. So, you have the following situation:

  1.  Filled
  2.  Filled
  3.  Filled
  4.  Filled
  5.  Available
  6.  Available
  7.  Filled
  8.  Available
  9.  Filled
  10. Available
  11. Available
  12. Available
  13. Available
  14. Available
  15. Available

To place 6 unique colors without any gaps, you can use slots 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 
and 12. This will fill all the available slots without any gaps:

  1.  Filled
  2.  Filled
  3.  Filled
  4.  Filled
  5.  New Color
  6.  New Color
  7.  Filled
  8.  New Color
  9.  Filled
  10. New Color
  11. New Color
  12. New Color
  13. Available
  14. Available
  15. Available

Now you've placed 6 unique colors in the available slots without any gaps.

/END ChatGPT response




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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
Thanks, Bob, I’ll give that a try later today. At least I am up and running 
with LC 9.6.10.

Roger

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> As always, remove all your plugins and try again. Also, just spitballing but 
> do you have your firewall enabled? LC checks for licensing on launch (correct 
> me if I am wrong). 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me the 
>> “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 on my 
>> Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
As always, remove all your plugins and try again. Also, just spitballing but do 
you have your firewall enabled? LC checks for licensing on launch (correct me 
if I am wrong). 

Bob S


> On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me the 
> “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 on my 
> Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread James At The Hales via use-livecode
LC 10 dp6 and the current 9.6.10 all work for me on Sonoma. 14.0
Builds from both work, although for me the build process for 10dp6 doesn’t end 
(the standalone is built though). Also the dictionary in 10dp6 doesn’t work on 
my mac.

James

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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I have successfully run a build of my 'Devawriter Pro' built with LC 9.6.3
Open Source on an early beta of MacOS 14.

My DWPro builds contain NONE of the inclusions.

Your mileage may vary.

Best, Richmond.

On Fri, 29 Sept 2023, 15:13 Geoff Canyon via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Confirming that 9.6.9 dies immediately on launch for me.
>
> I have a standalone I built with one of the 9.6.x builds, and that doesn't
> die (at least not immediately).
>
> gc
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:23 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I've not tested personally, but I have been told that STANDALONEs build
> > on 9.6.9 work on Sonoma.
> >
> > Can any one running Sonoma test confirm this? (Perhaps again?)
> >
> >
> > On 9/28/2023 10:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give
> me
> > the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma
> v14.0
> > on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Tore Nilsen via use-livecode
LiveCode 9.6.9 Build 15604 works in Sonoma, the same goes for LiveCode 10 DP6. 
Try to download 9.6.9 again, you may have an older build of 9.6.9.

Tore

> 29. sep. 2023 kl. 14:12 skrev Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Confirming that 9.6.9 dies immediately on launch for me.
> 
> I have a standalone I built with one of the 9.6.x builds, and that doesn't
> die (at least not immediately).
> 
> gc
> 
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:23 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've not tested personally, but I have been told that STANDALONEs build
>> on 9.6.9 work on Sonoma.
>> 
>> Can any one running Sonoma test confirm this? (Perhaps again?)
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/28/2023 10:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me
>> the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0
>> on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
Confirming that 9.6.9 dies immediately on launch for me.

I have a standalone I built with one of the 9.6.x builds, and that doesn't
die (at least not immediately).

gc

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:23 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've not tested personally, but I have been told that STANDALONEs build
> on 9.6.9 work on Sonoma.
>
> Can any one running Sonoma test confirm this? (Perhaps again?)
>
>
> On 9/28/2023 10:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me
> the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0
> on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
I've not tested personally, but I have been told that STANDALONEs build 
on 9.6.9 work on Sonoma.


Can any one running Sonoma test confirm this? (Perhaps again?)


On 9/28/2023 10:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me the 
“LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 on my 
Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.

Thanks,

Roger


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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

2023-09-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Not as far as I can tell: currently upgrading to the 14.1 beta release, 
and if that fails I have to spend "a dirty weekend" 'degrading' to MacOS 
13 Ventura and then, on the basis of my Time Machine backup, 'putting 
all the pieces together again'.



Best [or, in the light of Apple's non-backwardly-compatible thing': 
Worst], Richmond.


On 29.09.23 5:51, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Ok, I guess I’ve been out to Lunch. A review of the list revealed that V9.6.10 
works. Downloaded it and indeed it does work. Is that the whole story? Will the 
older Community versions not work in Sonoma forevermore?

Roger



On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me the 
“LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 on my 
Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.

Thanks,

Roger


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